let me make clear, north korea reaffirmed its commitment to complete denuclearization. >> pyongyang slamming new talks with secretary of state with mike pompeo. >> i'm determined to achieve the commitment that president trump made. so if those requests were gangster like, the world is a gangster. >> a race against time to save a bees' soccer team and their coach trapped in a cave in thailand. feeling a sense of urgency with the forecast calling for more monsoon rain. >> active rescue operation is under way. >> we know where you live.

>> the left believes in you challenge their way of thinking and their world view in an articulate matter, they believe that that's harassment. president trump is in the final stages of deciding on his pick for the supreme court. >> in choosing a new justice i'll select someone with great intellect and deep reverence for the laws and constitution of the united states. good morning. we start this morning with a fox news alert. a life saving mission and a race against time happening right now at this moment in thailand to rescue the boys' soccer team trapped inside the cave for 16 days. >> the world watching as the navy seals have begun diving to bring the boys out one by one. >> crews are racing against severe weather, potentially

flooding the dark and dangerous cave again. >> wow. just getting out of the cave will take the divers and the boys 11 hours round trip. thai officials calling the rescue operation d day. >> they'll walk, swim and climb their way out in complete dark witness ropes to guide them. >> and what they've been through over the past two weeks. we're watching this very close this morning. for the latest, we want to go life to thig thailand on the gr. this is breaking as we speak. what can you tell snus. >> well we know this started about seven hours ago and if all goes well, again, this is not a perfect world, not a perfect mission, but if that were to happen we could maybe see the first come out in 11 hours, that's if everything is perfect. we know that the thai governor says they could no longer wait for perfect conditions, now was

the time if they were going to get the boys and their coach out, they had to do it now. it's been range the last few days. this is a torrential downpour. when that happens it makes the rescue efforts more complicated. the water levels right now seem to be some of the lowest levels since the start of the situation. what we know about this mission, in sort of a brief sense, a total of 18 divers will be included, a few from thailand, several from around the world. the team will go in and guide the team and their coach out. once they're out, there's a lot of medical personnel standing by. i have to tell you just being out here today, being out at the press conference yesterday, there's a sense that everyone is standing by. they want some good news. they want to see the first boy emerge and of course the rest of the team, 12 boys and their coach. back to you. >> jeff paul, thank you so much for that. i mean just seeing a closeup look of what they're going to be going through over the next few

hours, you think these boy, 12 years old, about that? >> they range from 12 to 16. >> and to think what's going through their mind. this is monsoon season in southeast asia. the rains come in hard and that's why's so incredibly difficult to get them out. >> we've reported on the notes that they were sending their parents. one said don't forget to plan my birthday party. that's heartbreaking. these are kids saying i'm looking forward to that birthday party. we're not sure they're going to make it. >> there was one thai navy s.e.a.l. losing his life. and then attaching yourself to a kid who may or may not be able to swim, never scuba dived before. this is happening right now. as we talk there's a kid being -- look at that tunnel complex, something like that, scuba diving right now through the cave to get home to safe fi

in a perilous journey that could cost the kid's life and the diver's liech. >life.>> these are boys, some om are never dived in their life. you've got the navy s.e.a.l.es, the best trained s.e.a.l.es who can barry figure this out. >> and the urgency, it was oxygen at one point. they've got a tube pumping oxygen into the cave. but as the rains fall. the flood waters could come higher. >> let's bring in the coordinator of a national rescue cave mission. we're watching this so closely. help us better understand what will be going on through the next 11 hours or so. >> well, they're going to be starting to get the boys out. they've got several sections that they're going to have to

dive and then are places they have to swim across the passengers and they'll have to walk. the big problem that they're facing, of course, is that none of these kids knew how to swim. they've only had crash courses in diving. and spent nine days with no food. and that starvation made them weak. a healthy person would have trouble doing this, now you have added complications on top of that. i think the thing that's going to help them is they've spent a lot of time building a relationship and rapport and trust with the divers. i know some of the divers in there. they're the best in the world. if anybody could get them out, it would be them. but they're going to have -- what might could have taken them five hours to get out on their own, they have somebody they have to escort out. it's going to take a lot more

time. >> how do they calm the nerves -- if you don't know how to swim and you've never scuba dived before and you're on this perilous journey. if someone panics, they went breathe under water. how do you control for that? can you? >> well you control for it by getting as much training as you possibly can. they've had the last few days to get the training in. while i'm sure they would have rather had several months to get the training in, baring the circumstances that they're in, they're going to do the best that they can. a lot of what we find in rescue is that building of the trust. i've actually talked more people through places than i've had to go and physically get them. and i know that the divers can't talk to them necessarily while they're under water, but they do have that relationship that they've built so that the kids know that that person is there with them.

that unto itself will calm them down to a degree. >> can you talk a little bit on top of that about the international aspect of this. are there u.s. navy s.e.a.l.es there. what is the american presence and other allies of the united states who might be there on the ground helping. >> of course we had the u.s. military went in almost from the beginning. there are now a couple of american cave diver divers who e there and i've helping coordinate the american cave diver response for people to go over to support them currently. we have a few people who are on stand by waiting on word of how we're going to get them transport. >> can you give us a sense of timing. from what we heard in the recent report, 1 hours seems to be the soonest it could happen. but could it be four days? >> the amount of time it's going to get them out is entirely on how they've stacked them for getting out. i don't have first hand

knowledge of this but i believe that what they're going to do is they'll bring them out, staggered, an hour or two apart. and that way they can keep them in pr says but they're not jammed in places that might be of more danger. >> the first boy we're being told in the cave has been in there eight hours on the way out. you're saying in the next couple of hours we could see hopefully, god willing, the first child emerge? >> well it takes the s.e.a.l.es sis.e.a.l.essix hours to get tod five hours without having to bring the child out. it will probably be four or five more hours on top of what we've seen at the earliest i would expect them. >> all right. we certainly appreciate your insights today. we'll reach out to you again as this plays out. later this hour we'll be talking to a former u.s. navy s.e.a.l. to get insight about the nature

of the operation. >> we had him on the show earlier this week and he was talking about how difficult the situation is in these caves and how it's something w he wouldn't want to go. we'll getting his insight at 6:30. there's a lot of other news happening of course and maybe the biggest is the fact that the president's conversations, those talks, the summit with king joong un, jong-un, a lot of pres to whether they's coming apart. the secretary of state just left the area, a lot of questions about the pressure the u.s. is putting on north korea to make sure they denuclearize. >> the secretary of state went into the business, we mean business, this is what we demand. >> why do you say that? >> north korea put out a statement, north korea in state

run media had this response. the attitude and stance the united states showed in the first high-level meeting between the countries was no doubt they say regrettable the u.s. came up with iz unilateral and gangster like demand for denuclearization. >> a person close to pompeo said he was going to -- didn't use the word gangster but said he was going to read the riot act to north korea. we've seen the satellite images suggesting they're back pedaling and not getting serious in terms of denuk denuclearizing. >> it's no surprise they're coming out with a statement but the strength that mike pompeo had goings in there. he had goals he wanted to talk to them about. we've got fresh sound from pompeo. he was in vietnam this morning.

this is the most reaction about north korea from mike pompeo. >> if i paid attention to what the press said i'd go nuts and i refuse to do that. i'm determined to achieve the commitment that president trump made and i'm counting on chairman kim to follow through on the commitment that he made. if those requests for gangster like, the world is a gangster because there was a unanimous decision at the u.n. security council about what needed to be achieved. >> look, pete, this is real. the stakes are big for the president. he went out on a limb by having that summit in singapore, felt like the time is right for a deal. and if this falls apart, it's going to be embarrassing. >> and a critic of the iran deal. it takes a stainingster to beat a gangster. if you have to be a gangster for freedom, you say we're the big dogs, we've got the big button

you soft pedal in, you gets concessions and clays. delays. we're going to play later on in the program the way the media is real estatreacting to this. this is the beginning of a hard process. you better start with our position of what you want. not we want denuclearization and we're ready to cut a side deal. we mean business and you better come to the table. >> that's a perfect example of how add our media is. you look at our opening up with china relations. that took seven years to do end of the cold war took a long time. >> takes time. >> add media. great. >> big stores this week, the countdown on for the president to pick one of these four people as the next supreme court justice and this woman is one of the favorites.

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she looks the part, she does have experience. now granted not a lot, less than a year. her writings have an impactful. she has the conservative credentials that are so important to president trump and his base. it will motivate his base, it will cement the support among the right wing constituency that president trump likes so much. and it will help him if he decides to run for president again in 2020. one of the top three reasons why people voted for president trump was because of the judicial vacancies and the ability to appoint someone to the supreme court. so this is a really important issue and i think with someone like judge barrett, he will nail it. >> andrew, you know, conservatives seem to like her, they talk about -- one of the issues that's been brought up amongst conservatives, looking at precedent, especially as it pertain to roe v. wade. talk to us about that. >> that's a really important

issue because supreme court justices are supposed to give deference to previous decisions, yet they do have the flexibility to be able to look at a decision and say wait a minute, we got it wrong 20, 30, 40 years ago. judge barrett said in her writing that she believes that it is important but that the judges have to have the flexibility to solve and amend previous decisions. that's really important with the 800-pound gorilla in the room, roe versus wade. if she's willing to look at previous decisions and overrule them, there's a real chance that should another abortion case come forward to the supreme court, she might be willing to basically buck previous precedent and overturn it which obviously is the most important issue for many conservatives. >> that reveals why those on the left have gone come out against her specifically. her name as been in the press more than anyone else. she's criticized for a couple of

things, her catholic faith has been criticized and a lack of experience. now we know she's been a law professor. is a lack of a paper trail actually a good thing? is there -- you know, how do you spin that or talk about that? >> well, it's a great thing. she's been on the seventh circuit for less than a year. she doesn't have the record that some other justices and other judges would have in order to allow democrats to attack her. what's really interesting is that while she doesn't have the legal decision swb he has a couple of law review articles that she's written in 2003 and 2013. so we get a feel for how she feels on many of these issues. of course we know about her personal background. so i think she's going to past the test in terms of what conservatives want. but of course the one thing they have to be careful of is that they don't get pseudorised. the conservatives were at first we think he's going to be fantastic but in reality he was

much more liberal than they thought because he didn't have the track record. >> i'm going to ask this of all of the folks speaking on behalf of nominees. what justice current or previous would be like amy? >> i would go to rehnquist. he wasn't a judge prior to being appointed to the court. he had impeccable credentials and ended up being a friend to the conservative cause. i would compare her to someone like rehnquist. >> thank you for your time this morning. appreciate it. >> anytime. a free speech victory in the era of safe spaces. a conservative professor gets his job back and he joins us next. a police officer goes above and beyond the call of duty to rescue an american flag. a small gesture means a lot. ♪

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daytona. >> too big of a push. he caught the 4 is. >> the big one. >> logano is caught up in it. >> oh my goodness. >> rickie sten howse jr. triggering the chaos that ended the race for seven cars. eric jones driving away to career his first career nascar cup series win. >> that is unbelievable. thank you, peat. a big win for free spech sp. >> the professor was suspended over this fowrn blog post that criticized an instructor for telling a student he could not oppose gay marriage in close. the court saying that the facts show that the university breached its contract with dr. mcadams when it engaged him in the unactivity of the guaranteed by academic freedom. >> and that professor john mcadams is here with his reaction. it's been a long road for you

these past couple of years. what is your reaction this morning? it was a win. >> something between elated and relieved. it's been tedious all of these semesters kind of in limbo, but it's really sweet to win. >> let me read the blog post that originally got you in trouble with the university in 2014. you say the student said it was his right as an american citizen to make arguments against gay marriage. replayed that you don't have a right in this class to make homophobic comments. she invited the student to drop the class. opinions with which they disagree with not merely wrong and are not to be argued against on their merits but are deemed offensive and need to be shut up. that is what was originally posted on your blog. take people back, remind them of what happened and how that led to where you are today.

>> well, i blogged about that. the student had a recording of the exchange, which is legal in wisconsin so there was no doubt about what the instructor said. i blogged about it. nothing happened for a while wh, then it went national. and the instructor started getting some e-mails, some were supportive and some were fairly nasty. none were threatening. marquette lied that she got threatening e-mails. she admitted in our blog post that none of them were threatening. marquette blamed me for the fact that she got those unkind e-mails in effect saying that straightforward journalism, if somebody reacts badly to it, is out of bounds. their logic as the supreme court pointed out was backwards.

they didn't find anything wrong with my blog post per se but since people reacted badly they blamed me for it. >> unbelievable that a student was not able to give another side on the same-sex marriage. this is what you're supposed to have in a classroom, a free discussion. and secondly how horrible when you blogged about it you didn't have the freedom of speech, or at least they were trying to cut it off so say here's what happened. they say at marquette university saying we're proud we've taken a stand for our students and values. marquette will comply with the terms of the decision. it does not change the university's safety for the well-being of the students. you wrp basically suspended for four years, you're now going to get back pay. right now on campuses across the country, there's not a lot of freedom. people don't want to have these kinds of debates. after this victory, you've got 30 second here. what do you hope this does in terms of opening things up?

>> well we hope it encourages some people to fight. marquette, i think, suspended me and then said they were going to fire me because they thought they could offer me money and i would walk away. i didn't. people in my situation need to fight. they can find legal support. the wisconsin institute for law and liberty in milwaukee came online and supported me probono. they're probably the best lawyers in milwaukee. people are around who will support you but you've got to be willing to fight. >> well, we're glad you were willing to fight. it's a really important battle. >> john mcadams good to have you on this morning. that was a victory. congratulation to you. >> thank you. coming up, a fox news alert. a heroic cave rescues under way right now in thailand to bring 12 boys and their soccer coach to safety. a former navy s.e.a.l. joins us

live to talk about this mission. the former dhs secretary jay johnson pushing back on his on party. and president trump hasn't made his supreme court pick just yet but some students think that he already did. >> i just saw the pick and i was like, it's almost at a point where you kind of expect it's no going to be what you want. >> he's quite, you know, extreme. more and more people are finding themselves

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we are back with a fox news alert. a life saving mission in a race against mother nature happening right now in real time in thailand to rescue the boys' soccer team trapped inside a savcave for 16 days. >> the best in the world putting their own lives on the line trying to save these boys. they're diving through narrow passages hoping to bring out each boy one by boy. each trip will take 11 hours to walk, climb and swim their way out. the pirs to emerge in 90 minutes. >> but another challenge is another severe storm brewing. the worry is that the water levels will continue to rise. that's the struggle from the beginning. we want to bring in a former navy s.e.a.l. and com combat swr who knows the dangers of these conditions. good to have you on this

morning. unfortunately under these circumstances. give us all a sense of how dangerous this dive is. you talk about these boys some of them don't know how to swim, let alone dive. you look at the passageways. tack a close look. at some point it e gets as skinny as one single human to fit through there. how difficult is this? >> i would say it's really difficult. i would compare it to climbing mt. everest at this point. 6% of the people die on mt. everest. we've already had one fatality unfortunately. there could be a couple more into this. knowing the people over there, the may i have s.e.a.l.es, thailand, american, british cave experts there are there, i highly doubt they'll lose one of the kids but there may be a rescuer that loses his life in this thing. >> i talked to one of your former colleagues as a navy s.e.a.l., dave seres a couple of

days ago and he said thursday night he wowz not optimistic about getting all of the boys out. he was hoping and praying for their safety but saying when you look at just normal recreational scuba diving there's dangers inherent in that and cave diving is exponentially more difficult. can you walk us through that? >> in recreational scuba diving you can always come to the surface and breathe clean air. in this situation, if you get in trouble under the water, you can't come up to the surface. that's what poses the problem. there is no out. if you run into trouble, you better have more air on you, like the thailand navy s.e.a.l. didn't and he passed away. you know, it's easy to say, but it's a really bad situation. you just can't get out of the water, you know. you're in a cave. >> and the kids, we're told none of them know how to swim.

they're young. they're scared. they've never been under water, let alone scuba diving. how would you -- it's typical enough to keep yourself calm as a s.e.a.l. as an expert. how do you keep a kid calm and pull them along? i mean you talk about the risk to the divers. of course the kids just as much as risk if not more. >> they're probably going to give them a sedative to calm them down a little bit and then you're going to have to hope for the best. the good thing is they're probably going to have full hooded face mask on so they can't spit out the regulator. even if they panic and pass out, at the end of the day they're still going to be alive when you get them out because they'll still be breathing. they probably got a couple of contingencies for them freaking out. but at the end of the day they're little and they'll hold on to them and drag them through the tunnels. >> we're eight hours in with the

first boy being rescued. we're hoping and praying that he does come out at the end with the diver safely. why does this take so long? should we expect it to take a matter of days at this point? >> people don't understand how much gear these guys have. they're normally traveling with two full scuba tanks and a reserve pony bottle. they could have upwards of 150 pounds of gear and it's not a straight swim. they've got to climb, got to get out and walk, retank up. there's a whole lot of stuff that has to happen for them to actually get to the kid. then they have to do it in the backwards fashion, put all of that stuff on with the kids now. so it's a whole bunch of different steps to this process. you know, they've got a lot of gear and they're not swimming the whole time. they're climbing walks, getting out and walking. they've got to take the gear off. there are a whole lot of stage to this mission much like

climbing mt. everest. >> what a great comparison. do you know how many americans are there, just briefly? do yodo you have any sense. >> i would guess about 100. >> how about divers themselves, do you know? >> i don't know specifically. i know they're talking three to two kids. there's a whole bunch of redundancy. there's a lot that has to be staged. there's probably 150 divers on sighsite working. >> thank you for your service. >> thank you for your time. >> just really helps you understand how dangerous. >> you love it when you get to hear from somebody who knows what they're talking about. sad news to report. an american hero killed defending our freedom overseas. an afghan soldier opening fire at the airport in the capital of

afghanistan in what the department of defense calls an apparent insider attack. two other u.s. service members also injured but expected to be okay. this is the third u.s. military death in afghanistan this year. and the teen with the make american great again hot ripped off of his had and a drink thrown in his face is no longer staying silent. [bleep]. [bleep]. >> 16-year-old hunter richard reacting to that incident exclusively to fox news. listen. >> no person should think this is acceptable and they could get away with it. but i would say that people make mistakes. i'm not holding it against this guy. he made a mistake. >> the suspect has been arrested. still unclear what sparked that confrontation. and also this. a police officer going above and beyond the call of duty to rescue an american flag.

the officer walked up to the house in washington state after he sees the flag touching the ground. you can see him roll it up, placing it onto to porch. the officer's patriotism going viral online. alls good to see when things like that go viral. just shows you to need. >> he didn't know anybody was looking. you got the camera there and shows it making it all the more meaningful. democrats continuing their calls to abolish i.c.e. >> get rid of it, start over, reimagine it. >> i.c.e. has strayed so far from its mission. what it's turned into is frankly a terrorist organization of its own. >> thank you, cynthia. but our next guest says the agency helps keep his community safe. the sheriff of suffolk county joins us next. and you may have heard reports that mike pompeo gave kim jong-un a "rocket man" cd.

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gang, just an astounding number. the sheriff of that county joins us live right now. sheriff, good morning. appreciate you coming in with your insight. i want to start simply by saying when you hear some democrats say i.c.e. is a terrorist organization, how do you, as someone who is on the front lines, react? >> it's definitely not a terrorist organization. they're a law enforcement organization abiding by the laws of the united states. they're not a terrorist organization. >> what is i.c.e. doing in your community? >> in our community, specifically with a su suffolk county sheriff's office, i.c.e. reviews all individuals who are arrested in suffolk county, if they're undocumented, they're reviewing their status. >> they're not just about illegal immigration. they're about trying to find terrorists, about breaking up child trafficking. is that what you see on the ground as well? >> that's what they're working

with the staff inside the sheriff's office. >> vice president pence said i believe on friday that i.c.e., in one small period, i think last year, had actually brought in about 4,000 gang members. and 800 of them were tied to ms-13. a lot of people on the left is existing this is an exaggerated claim, that ms-13 is not that big of a problem. your community has been hit by this gang. talk about what they do to children? >> they terrorize children and exploit them. ms-13 is a polite in our imheunt ancommunity and we have to eradicate them. >> there's a washington postop ed out from former homeland security chief jay johnson, abolishing i.c.e. is not a serious policy propossibly sayinsaying enough isenough.

you're trying to protect our children. regardless of all political affiliation, you shouldn't be drag into the politics. what are the facts? -l how important is i.c.e. to your community? >> well, we work with i.c.e. regarding operation matador. and we've arrested 475 individuals over the last year and a half, 170 in suffolk county alone all with ms-13. so they are a plight in your community. our community and we have to e raid kate them. >> do they need to be reformed as so democrats say? >> there are some reforms regarding the indicate of individuals coming across our border. i don't believe that families should be separated. but as far as i'm concerned inside the suffolk county jail, they're professional and

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president's supreme court nominee. the only issue is he doesn't have a nominee yet. cab bot is here with more on his interviews. did you expect that people woult not know? are they assuming ? >> i think it's a mix of the two, some people feel a pressure the second they hear the word donald trump to come out and show the world i hate donald trump every bit as much as the next person and they come out with strong opinions. other people, they just want to go along with the flow and make themselves sound intelligent and smart. most comes against the bias of president trump. no one says you have to support everything he does or come out and clear lead him on but as americans we should give him a chance and let him make decisions before we oppose them. and these are the people who consider themselves to be the most open minded and tolerant. >> these is right here in new york city? >> this is here in new york. >> it's opinions that people want.

>> i think president obama listened to people when he nominated two supreme court juses. >> i was yorng then. >> should have some balance, shouldn't be on one side. >> president obama did pick two liberal justices, though. >> but now it's all conservative. >> it's so interesting. everything is through the lens of do i like this president or do i dislike this president. >> that's exactly what it is. it all has to. i think much of this comes in to what we're see in the class where people are constantly inundated with these ideas that president trump is horrible. this is nothing new. we covered this earlier in the year, we asked how did he did with his speech. people were like it's a rissist speech. people very quick want to come out and oppose everything that he does. and everyone assumes that trump is going to pick a man. >> who is it? who are they referring to? >> it's an imaginary pick. let's say this is the most

racist member of the government since andrew jackson. >> how many knew? >> we had one person that wouldn't give an answer. saying they're not entirely sure and not sure if they should come out and give an answer. a fox news alert today, back to the top story of the morning, a rescue mission under way to free their 12 boys and soccer coached trapped in a cave in thailand. a life report up next. plus hillary 2020? not so farfetched after all. >> she's back. ♪ ♪ ♪

. a life saving mission in a race against time to rescue that boys' soccer team trapped inside a cave for 16 days. >> in this situation, if you get in trouble under the water, you can't come up to the surface and that's what poses all of the problems. pyongyang slamming new talks with secretary of state mike pompeo calling them regrettable and gangster like. >> i'm determined to achieve the commitment that president trump made. if those requests were gangster like, the world is a gangster we know where you live. >> president trump is in the final stages of deciding on his pick for if supreme court. >> in choosing a new justice i will select someone with

impeccable kr credentials, great intellect and deep reverence for the laws and constitution of the united states. we begin this morning with a fox news alert. a life saving mission in a race against mother nature and time happening right now in thailand to rescue the boys' soccer team trapped inside of a cave for 16 days. >> the best navy s.e.a.l.s from all around the world, including from right here in america putting their lives on the line, diving through narrow passages hoping to bring out each boy one by one. >> i know a few of the divers in there and they're among the best in the world. in anybody could get them out, it will be them. >> each trip will take 11 hours to walk, climb and swim their way out. and the first boy could emerge in about an hour seeing daylight for the very first time in weeks

also, a medical helicopter crashing overnight near a chicago four people. the patient on board the air ambulance is in fair condition. the three crew members remain in stable condition. we'll bring you that. >> . we want to get back too this breaking story in thailand. we've had some experts on this morning giving us a sense of how dangerous the conditions and and how narrow the passageways are. some of them so narrow it is like the size of a human body. you have to go one at a time. we're waiting for the first boy and the diver hopefully to emerge safely. >> and right knew we've got jeff paul live in thailand giving us the latest of what's happening on the ground there. jeff? reporter: yeah, the thai governor call this their d day. the mission started about eight hours ago and if everything goes perfect in this complex and

dangerous mission, we could see the first team emerge within a few hours at if 11-hour mark. the thai governor saying they could no longer wait for ideal perfect conditions. it's been raining increasingly over the last few days and that makes this rescue mission only more complicated. what we know is that a total of 18 divers are part of this rescue mission, few from thailand and several others are from around the world. the teams will go in and in some sort of fashion guide the boys out and that coach. they'll just air tanks, full face masks. once they're out there's a lot of medical personnel standing by ready to give them care not only here, wu also at a nearby hospital where we're told some crews are there ready to operate or ready to help out, check these boys out. definitely a sense of opt mission out here. everyone crossing their fingers hoping for good news in a few hours. >> thank you so much were jeff.

we're hoping for an update in the next couple of hours, a positive one. >> jeff says once they're out, but it cannot be taken for granted. as we've talked to previous guests on the show, as perilous dive and journey for an expert. just a reminder of how they got into the cave. i went in as a hike with their coach, then the mon moon rains came. because they couldn't swim, they kept going further and further in to avoid the rising flood waters. soon they were two and a half miles into the cave. >> now you're dealing with a lack of oxygen, more monsoon rains expected to be coming. and as we understand it, these navy s.e.a.l. divers have about 150 pounds of gear on them in addition to trying to bring children to safety, they're worried about their own oxygen so that they don't die in rescuing the children who then

will obviously struggle even more some we already lost one diver two or three days ago. an experienced diver who couldn't make it. it's unbelievable. >> that is why it takes so long. because they have the heavy equipment. and you're dealing with boys who don't have experience even swimming, any of them. and you think of them being malnourished. they haven't had that much food over the last couple of weeks. we talked to a former navy s.e.a.l. last hour and he said that the divers' rescue mission he compared it to climbing mt. everest. here is what he told us. >> people don't understand how much gear these guys have. they're normally traveling with two full scuba tanks and a reserve pony bottle. they could haveup wards of 150 pounds of gear. and it's not a straight swim. they've got to climb, they've got to get out and walk, then they have to do it in the backwards fashion, presiden putf

that on with the kids now. there's a lot of stages to this mission. much like climbing mt. everest. no one walks to the top of it. >> think of comparing the challenge here to mt. everest, the amount of training that goes into that, the sheer uncertainty once you get to the summit on a crime or you get to a passage and the kid panics or oxygen is running low. it speak to the bravery of the divers. many thai divers. we're told there's like lay a navy s.e.a.l. there, american divers involved in the rescue. as we talk right now, there's a kid with three divers with him making his way either climbing or swimming through these narrow passages to get out alive. the rains are coming. the water is rising. they're pumping oxygen in but time is of the essence. >> you asked a great question to one of our guests earlier. how do you calm these young boys. they've never been through

anything remotely like this. their life is at stake. thigh eathey're missing their p. what is going through their minds. how do you calm their nerves, to keep breathing, to keep following the orders. you try to envision what is going on right now. you're really hoping for the best. >> and there are american military personnel involved in this. they have been involved since the beginning. the president over time has been briefed on the situation but he's got a lot of other big issues on his plate. front open center will be tomorrow, primetime, 9 p.m. eastern time at the white house. he will announce his second choice, his second nominee, i should say, to the supreme court. neal gorsuch of course nominated early in 2017 confirmed by the senate with three democratic votes. the question now any one of the four finalists that have emerged judge amy coney barrett, judge kethledge who has impressed the

president, judge brett kavanaugh, an early favorite and judge hardiman who was hup for it when gorsuch got the nod. these are four people who were on the original list of 25 justices, potential justices that the president said he would nominate to the high court if elected. this has been a transparent process. >> both kavanaugh and kethledge were clerks for justice kennedy, which i find so interesting. if one of them gets the pick, you pass down the torch to someone who has learned so much from you. you read their résumes, they're incredibly important. but what it comes down to is the one on one presiden one intervie president. >> kennedy was a disappointment to a lot of conservatives. you want to avoid the pitfall of nominating someone who is good on paper but who is going to move away from a conservative perspective. part of what we're doing is

interviewing people who know a lot about for each one of these four in each hour. we've talked to someone who sort of supports amy coney barrett who has been in the media a lot. to get a sense of where they've ruled. >> focusing on kethledge this hour. >> that's right. >> there's been an immigration battle in the country, a lot of protests around that issue. and about a week or so ago in awg mitch mcconnell was confronted by angry protesters. his wife, elaine cho, the transportation secretary confronted the protesters, leave my husband alone. that went viral rather than the proo test because she was so tough in standing her ground saying enough is enough. whilwell the protesters are bacy way were going to kentucky saying among other things, confronts mitch mcconnell at a restaurant saying we know where you live. watch. >> vote you out. vote you out.

>> go home. >> vote you out. vote you out. vote you out. >> where are the babies, mitch? >> vote you out. vote you out. >> yeah. we know where you live, mitch. >> apolis abolish i.c.e. >> what's interesting about the video, they were yelling, it didn't get violent or anything like that. but they kept their distance. i wonder if they were wondering if elaine cho was around the corner. >> you hear them saying apolish i.c.e. go on and on. we know where you live. >> what does that mean? we know where you live? >> you're allowed to protest and express your views. you want to abolish i.c.e.,

fine. but to say we know where you live. >> they went on to yell no comfort for fascists. so now mitch mcconnell is a fascist. >> yep. >> we're having a great dialogue right snow. >> send us your thoughts on that friends@foxnews.com. thousands of antigun protesters forcing the shutdown of a major chicago highway. the march ignoring police taking up all five lanes instead of the two they were allowed, despite some of the strictist gun laws in the nation, chicago has had more than 240 homicides and 1,000 shooting this years alone. student led rallies in more than a dozen cities around the nation peacefully showing their support for the second amendment. those groups emerges in response

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korean officials accusing the u.s. of a gangster like attitude calling talk to denuclearize regrettable. meanwhile secretary of state mike pompeo had this reaction. >> if i paid attention to what the press said i would go nuts. and i refuse to do that. i am determined to achieve the commitment that president trump made and i'm counting on chairman kim to be determined to follow through on the commitment that he made. and so if those requests for goingstegangster like, the worla gangster. >> jim hanson led secret counter terrorism operations serve in the u.s. army special forces and joins us now. there was so much criticism up to now that the administration hasn't been tough enough dealing with north korea. and you would think those critics would be happy about what has come out of this latest

meeting with mike pompeo, that they did go in with real demands. they want to get results. but it seems that people aren't happy, that that is all a failed operation. >> the media left now seems to be invested so much in their trump hatred that they're incapable of impartially reporting on what's going op. they want to delegitimize and potentially derail the negotiations rather than let president trump help protect us all from a nuclear tyrant. they need to think about one thing. the national lanthat's what the. a negotiating ploy. they're trying to push around, see what they can get. it's not the first time president trump has been dealing with someone who's trying to gouge him in an negotiation. he'll be fine. >> you have to admit the president put the credibility of the united states on the line by

going all the way to singapore, giving that big photo op for both sides, hey, we're going to have a deal here. and mike pompeo when out the way to pyongyang -- and you remember on the first two trips, the secret missions he met with kim jong-un. this time it appears he got stood up. he did not get a chance to meet with kim jong-un. i get they're getting tough. but the u.s. has its credibility on the line, doesn't it? >> absolutely. and as well we should. that's the point of being the united states. we can put our credibility and our clout on the line. so president trump went and he talked to kim one on one. he said join me as a big man on the world stage and bring your country into the modern world or you will face hell fire and damnation. the fire and fury. don't forget, mike pompeo may be taking the trips. john bolton is talking to president trump saying if they don't follow through on this, we have a plan and that plan could

end up with the hermit kingdom being radioactive smoking rubble. so those two option options are. it's a clear choice for kim jong-un. he needs to decide which way it goes. >> here is the response from yesterday. >> the high level tacks appearing to hit a snag. >> now the takes seemingly in shambles. >> denouncing the gangster like demands for denuclearization. >> after two days of high level talks. he seemed optimistic. north korea has a different interpretation of the turn of events. >> jim, you respond. >> those people are not paying attention to how a high stakes high level negotiation works. they're dealing with their own issues. >> okay. >> jim hanson, appreciate your insight as always. the president sending a clear message to the nato allies as well, start paying your bills. what can we expect as he heads to this week's summit in

brussels. we'll ask nigel farage next. ♪ motorcycle revving

. welcome back. several american mission teams trapped to haiti at this hour as violent riots intensify. u.s. flights in and out of the caribbean nation halted over the protest sending cars on fire sending thick plumes of smoke into the air. at least 60 are dead in what's being called one of the worst wefer disasters in japan in decades. devastating landslides and flooding destroying hundred of homes and leaving dozens of people missing. authorities racing to evacuate millions before they too become

trapped. >> that's horrible. thank you, pete. president trump making his message to nato clear ahead of this week's summit in brussels. >> i'll see nato and i'm going to tell nato you got to start paying your bills. the united states is not going to take care of everything. >> so what can we expect? here to weigh in were fox news contributor nigel farage. he will also be going to your neck of the woods, sir. what are you expecting from the president's trip? >> he's going to stick to the same message. it's about time somebody called nato out. 29 members of them. only six of them paying the bare minimum of 2%. president trump is going to say look, i know i've said this before, but i'm not bluffing pay your bills or american support goes. >> nigel, their reports that during the visit the government does not want you to meet with the president but at the same

time they're approving a big balloon of the president wearing a diaper. we showed images of this yesterday. what is going on? >> yeah. well as far as i'm concerned, i'm afraid that our very narrow minded school mistress that massacre raidmasquerades as ourr doesn't want me to meet donald trump. it shows you what a poor government we've got. and of course this blimp, this balloon of trump, this has all come from sadiq kann's department. he does not like the u.s. president. i cannot imagine any city in the world would treat a visiting american president with this amount of disrespect. the whole thing is a disgrace. >> the resistance continues oversees, yet trump somehow gets the braim fo blame for it. what they don't want is a photo of you and the president both strong supporters of a brexit, is that right?

>> absolutely. we've seen in the last 72 hours ms. play watering down brexit, kicking the whole thing further into the long grass. and yes, myself and your president saying why doesn't she get tougher and get on with brexit. for them that would be a pr disaster. >> talk to us about that. there appears to have been an agreement in the cabinet over the prime minister's plan for executing brexit. you say it's very much a half measure. >> yeah. i mean, look, you know, if we leave the european union 0 on march 29th next year, that's great, that's history. independent country. i say technically because she wants to sign us up to the entire european rule book and keep the european court with a degree of jurisdiction over this country. that is not what we voted for. and if this prime minister didn't get real, this could cost the conservatives the next election. >> don't they risk obviously even more credibility problems? there was a vote. they lost.

then you're going to go to the people and say we're not going to do that. we're going to do something else. >> well, do you know something, brexit was a political revolution, an earthquake the likes of which we had not seen in modern britain. if brexit gets betrayed. wow. if we're asked ever to do it again, just you wait. >> we're dealing with immigration here in this country but europe has its own challenges, some of them far worse than what we're dealing with. how would you judge how things are going in europe right now snr. >now?>> it was supported by the german chancellor, you want to come to europe, as many of you that want to come, please come, we can handle it. it led to an unprecedented number of people coming into europe and people coming in who culturally do not fit in quickly with western values. people coming from countries in which women are not even treated

as second class citizens and what you now see in countries like germany, countries like sweden which took a large number of migrants from middle eastern muslim countries. immigration is a disaster. bad feeling is high and that is leading to a massive political revolution. you've seen a new italian government, ms. merkel on the ropes. italy is not going to be the last government to change. >> at the european bureaucrats, the eu folks, are they trying to make changes or are they still not seeing the revolution coming >> i think the bureaucrats in brussels still have no comprehension of why people around europe are as unhappy as they are. many ms. merkel's case, she's closely linked to the voters and she's been againing the realize the size of the error that she made and she's talking about

finding solutions. but to ask the person that broke anytime the first place to mend it is frankly never ever going to work. and you are witnesse witnessinge decline of somebody who has previously been a very great modern german chancellor. historic mistake was made. it can't be done. >> grangester farage. >> they already call him that. they rue the day you were a part of the governing body. thank you for your expertise. all morning we're covering this fox news alert. a heroic cave rescue under way right now in thailand. a retired s.e.a.l. member is live with us hixson. hillary 202 not so farfetched after all. get ready. >> i'm excited. ♪ ♪ (director) cut!

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we are back with a fox news alert. brand-new details coming into our newsroom on the live saving mission to rescue the soccer team trapped deep in a cave in thailand. it will be their first time seeing daylight when they come out god willing after 16 tayes. >> and we're told navy s.e.a.l.s

will bring the first few boys out of the cave within the next three hours. the boys will be rushed to a nearby hospital. >>.>> the worry is that the watr levels will continue to rise. the boys and divers are walking, they're climbing, swimming through narrow rases ajs, a trip that takes at least 11 hours. now want to bring in a retired navy s.e.a.l. team 6 member, a diving supervisor. great to have you with us to get your perspective this morning. we're watching this so closely. we had a former navy s.e.a.l. on last hour and he compared this mission to climbing mt. everest. you think about these young boys, most of them if not all of them don't even know how to swim, let alone dive. help is better understand how treacherous this dive is. >> sure. well, you know, as a basic scuba diver, if you go through diver

rescue training, diver rescue training is not as complicated as what these young boys is going to have to learn. it's amazing to me how calm they're staying. they found these boys sitting on a rock. they had been under there for days a. days. and the good supplies, the oxygen levels, the rain rising, all of these things going against them and they're keeping a good attitude. they have to learn to breathe self contained breathing apparatus, sceu sue scuba. and they have to dive, crawl, walk through an escape route that's going to take eight hours. the thai s.e.a.l.s, they're exceptioexceptional at what the. but they're not trained necessarily in this type of mission. so they have their work cut out as well. >> can you explain these pony

bottles? we heard that earlier. if a boy is brought by a navy s.e.a.l., say they go under water for a bit, can they say under water for 30 seconds, five minutes? how long is the oxygen supply. are you coming back up to the surface to breathe again? walk us through how they teach these boy to get back to safety. >> okay. so the plan right now is to have two divers with each boy. the boy that is being rescued now has three divers with him. two divers have a spare regulator they can put in the boy's mouth at me time for an emergency. but they also have pony bottles, little scuba bottles you can hold in your hand and put in your mouth and you have a couple of minutes of air. they are going to have the pony bottles and scuba tanks as backup. the divers have to take off the taiktanks in certain areas whert gets tight and narrow.

there are a lot of twists and turns. they go under water, they pop up, take the bottles out of their mouth, bring the air and then when they go back in, they have to put the pony bottles back in their mouth. and as the water rises they'll need the scuba gear more. >> that makes complete sense. what's your biggest concern if you were to be submerged in this? you're fully locked in but what are you dialed in the most to prevent? >> i've done save diving and i'm a rescue diver and i've never experienced anything as arduous as what these young boys have been experiencing the last couple of weeks. what you feel is a feeling of entrapment. and when you can't see a way out and when you don't see light in a crack in the rock or something, you get a feeling of panic. the only time i've done cave

diving, there's been nice lines showing in in and out of the cave. even as a seal if you're diving under the i.c.e., there's cables and lines that you follow. never have i or anybody that i know had to do an eight to ten-hour exit. so i'm worried about the boys. i can't believe how relaxed they appear to be and how confident they are. so they're doing a great job and they have thai and they have the medics out there, some of the best medics that you can have. they have a great team rescuing them but they have a lot going against them, time, oxygen and food. >> thank you for your up sight. thank you for your service i want to bring you other headlines we're following this morning. she died waiting for what she believed in. those heart wrenches words from the son of a capital gazette

reporter who ran towards danger to save her colleagues. hundreds saying good-bye to windi winters. when shouts rang out, winters fought back. >> my mom picked up her trash can and charged at a coward who shot her in the chest. my mom is an american hero. >> three of her four children are officers in the navy also this. a car crashes into a house going 80 miles an mower wit hour withe homeownerred inside. after being chased by pennsylvania police. the driver climbing out of the sunroof before being arrested. cameron smith had a suspended license. the homeowner has to pay 20,000 dollars in damages is threatening to sue. tom belaydy showing no mercy to his own mother during an intense game of family dodge ball in montana.

watch this. brutal. the patriots quarterback with a direct hit and clearly having no regrets about it. brady posting on instagram, this is no crime in dodge ball. >> by the way, his mom had been very ill. if she's playing dodge ball, hopefully she's doing well. >> let's go to rick. we have some weather. >> we do have some weather. we do. >> great job. >> we always have weather. it's always here. >> like a thing. >> you're here from texas and the first thing you said about new york is. >> it's cold. >> he's complaining that it's cold. this is nice. this is great that it's not that hot. it's not texas hot. that's for sure. take a look at the map. here's the temperatures waking up. 65 degrees here in new york. a little chillier than dallas where you're from at 78. certainly warmer there. we have tropical storm beryl, it had been a hurricane briefly.

we'll bring moisture towards puerto rico. they don't need any moisture. we also have a storm brewing right there after u off of the cost of carolina. that is now another tropical storm. the name is chris and it's going to pulp towards the northeast, probably become a hurricane but it will not impact land. here's the high temperatures today. still hot across the central plains and baking in parts of the southwest. back to you inside. >> thanks for the weather. >> yeah, there always is weather. >> hey, you guys went way over time. >> okay, okay. >> i had to make a quick turn. >> it was smooth. >> all right. well the countdown is on to president trump picking one of these four people as the next supreme court justice. judge ray monday kethledge is one of the favorites. like we're doing with all of them, they're going to talk about his background and qualifications next. plus, illinois congressman

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well the countdown to the supreme court nominee is on with judges barrett, kethledge within kavanaugh and hardson. we're breaking down the finalists. and bringing in a man who knows the ins and outs of judge kethledge's office. here for his case, former law clerk for judge raymond kethledge. matthew, i'm told you serve in the marie corps. thank you for your service and time. tell us about raymond kethledge. who is he and why does he make the right justice? >> sure. the thing about judge kethledge is he's spent a decade on the bench defending the constitution of the liberties that the

constitution guarantees. no one has been tougher than defending the liberties most important to the americans, much like the second amendment. he's defending the second amendment fiercely. has a conceal carry permit, he carrying a glock, hunts with his son. it's something that he lives in his everyday life. same is true for ldges liberty. time and time again he's defended religious liberty and smack down federal agents when they try to reach into our lives and tramp down things that important. when the president trying to find someone who has been a rock star in the supreme court like neal gorsuch, he couldn't do better than ray kethledge. the reason is ray kethledge is tough, never will back down, focused on defending the constitution the way it was written and understood at the same time. the president will be able to say two of his greatest accomplishments are sitting on the supreme court and their names are neal gorsuch and ray

kethledge. >> some say he's the pick for american. comes from michigan. known for his sharply worded and blunt opinions. also he ruled on the tea party irs issue on the side of tea party groups and free speech. do you feel like that label is earned, this is a blunt speak in the mold of scalia? >> absolutely. he's in the mold of ski la and d gorsuch. it reached into the lives and organizations of the americans, tea party patriots and tried to persecute them for their believes. and judge kethledge smacked them down saying that is unacceptable, we do not do that in this country. he does it without fear. he expresses his s in direct and powerful way. phe said writing is the way the judge gets his power. >> and he is known for those

powerful opinions that really resonated with people. how are they going to -- any nominee is going to be the democrats, the resistance is going to come after them. how will they attempt to paint him? how are they going after him? >> that's the great thing about judge kethledge. it's extraordinary rare that your most conservative candidate for the supreme court is also your most confirmable. the president has someone who is going to fulfill the president's promise for the type of person he puts on the supreme court and someone who is going to sail through confirmation and elections this fall with the wind at our back. judge kethledge is a grand slam as a nominee and will be a rock star in the supreme court because he's the most conservative justice, most committed to the constitution, or would be justice and is also someone who will never back down. >> matthew down eer, you make a very good case. thank you a fox news alert, breaking details on the rescue happening

right now to bring young soccer players and their coach out of a deep cave. plus, a cartoonist targets the police portraying them as the kkk. the morning officers are more than pushing back. two members of law enforcement are here to respond live, coming up next. from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call.

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a fox news alert. we've just learned the first two boys have been successfully pulled out of a cave in thailand just moments ago. this is a live look at that cave. navy s.e.a.l.es from around the world on a mission. great news tharchlts is huge news. great news to hear. we'll get more on that later on in the show. thank you so much take a look at this, as we switch gears here, this highly

controversial and offensive cartoon, depicts a young man no what appears to be kkk attire telling his mom that he's wearing it quote so the cops don't hassle me. and at the bottom is a newspaper with a headline unarmed black kid shot. the cartoon appeared in a new jersey paper on june 28 president joining me now with their thoughts, president of the new jersey state association chiefs of police and president of the new jersey state policemen's benevolent association. both have written letters in response to that cartoon. it is unbelievable to see what they printed in that paper. i want to go first to you, chief. this was your very first meeting on the job, you were telling me. >> one hour into my presidency. >> one hour and you get this cartoon. what was your reaction? >> i was appalled. this cartoon in no way reflects the actions of new jersey police officers as we boat know them to

be. i've been work in community policing since 1988. been a policeman for almost 40 years. i can tell you on a daily basis miracles are being performed on the streets in the state of new jersey by thousands of officers doing thousands of acts that are almost never recognized. >> so the owner of the paper, you think about that role and the responsibility that they play in what they print out and publish every day to their readers. what does this do to the mosh ralmoralof the police officers? -l. >> it's a highly offensive cartoon. as the chief said, people go to work every day and do a great job. unfortunately we had the anniversary yesterday of the five officers slaughtered in dallas. the day before they were shot there was a cartoon widely disseminated throughout social media of a revolutionary slicing the throat of a police officer.

nobody seemed offended by it the day before but that may is have contributed to the dallas officers. and then ten days later, baton rouge officers. >> here's what came from that paper in 2006, a quote defending themselves. they say a number of my cartoons have caused boycotts, loss of advertising for any paper and pickets in front of the building. my editors have had to explain the nature of the cartoons to the offended and i am not alone. nearly all cartoonists worth their salt maz enraged some portion of their readership. that's how they're defending thepses. whathemselves. what do you make of that? >> that's no excuse for that. we are in a process. my letter in particular is followed by the signatures of a number of community leaders in new jersey, communities of faith and communities of color. and we are put i can't tell you how many hours for how many

years into these projects and we're making progress. new jersey is a better place today because of what's happened and this sets it back. >> we're going to have to leave it there. thank you for your service. we'll be back right after this break.

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♪ we begin with a fox news alert. a big update here. the first two boys emerging from a cave in thailand just moments ago. they are now likely heading to the hospital. this is a live look at the outside of the cave where rescue efforts are still underway to save the remaining ten boys and their coach still trapped deep underground. ed: incredible story. navy seals from around the world including right here from america will attempt to bring them up one by one, a process that could take up to four days, although this is -- the first two came out quicker than we expected. abby: and two instead of one. each round trip will take at least 11 hours we're being told and will involve walking,

climbing, and swimming through very, very narrow passages. pete: jeff paul joins us live in thailand with brand-new information. jeff? good news. >> well, we want to stress the fact that we haven't received any official confirmed reports of that particular development, but we are hearing from local media here in thailand in this it can area in mesa that those two boys, at least two boys, possibly more, have been successfully rescued. reuters also pretty much saying the same thing but citing a local official that two boys have been rescued, but again no official word from any government agency or any rescuers who are on scene about this development. what we do know is that they entered that cave about nine hours ago. the thai governor at the time saying they couldn't wait any longer, the rain conditions too dangerous. the water levels as low as they've been since we've been out here. 18 divers are here, some from

thailand, some from around the world, and again as we do get official word about that as you mentioned coming into the intro that these boys would likely be taken to the local hospital to be checked out. we're not sure what kind of condition they're in right now. in those videos they shrike they're in good spirits but they've been inside the cave for more than two weeks. back to you in the studio. ed: multiple outlets now reporting that two boys have emerged, as jeff says, we have to be cautious in terms of just how, you know, all of this plays out, are they headed to a hospital now, are they healthy. we pray and hope that they are, but they have been in a very, very desperate situation. but these are optimistic signs, at least. pete: that's right. i mean, just a reminder that when you're covering breaking news or watching it -- learned this in the military -- the first reports are almost always wrong or incomplete or partial. we thought there was one boy. now it appears there may be two. we're working to confirm all of that. how many divers, how long will

it take, we know less than what we actually know. abby: a lot of questions this morning from some of our viewers of how this got to be this dire, how they got two and a half miles into these caves. and we talked about it earlier but it's important to get some context here. they are on sort of an initiation, these soccer players with their coach, and they are walking around -- a hike, is the indeed a casual hike, and then the rains extorted pouring in, the monsoon rains that are incredibly, incredibly hard rains, and the cave flooded and they can't swim, to the point they were moved back two and a half miles into the cave. and the passages are so slim, so skinny that it is very, very difficult to dive down there especially with these boys who have never been diving in their entire life. ed: water is rising into these caves, it's getting nor dangerous, getting oxygen to the boys is a problem as well, and

don mann, a retired navy seal team 6 member talked about the stakes here and how difficult, how complicated of an operation it is. >> i've done cave diving, and i'm a rescue diver, and i've never experienced anything as arduous as what these young boils are experiencing. what you feel is a feeling of entrapment. and when you can't see a way out and when you don't see light in a crack in the rock or something you get a feeling of panic. they have a great team rescuing them but they have a lot going against them. they have time going against them, oxygen, food, and water levels rising. ed: the other thing you said though is despite all those factors against them that, from the video we've seen, these boys look incredibly optimistic, hopeful, happy. you think about a 12-, 14 14-year-old boy anywhere in the world and, you know, their mind is traveling around and they're distracted and here they're in a desperate situation away from their parents and yet they seem

very focused. you know, optimistic, hopeful,, "hey, we're going to get out." >>we had a navy seal on earlier as well, another former navy seal, and he compared this to climbing mt. everest. you think about climbing mt. everest if you've never done any training before that so the positive news as we're hearing now from multiple outlaws, you have two of these boys on the soccer team that have been rescued safely. they are you now being taken to the hospital. as pete says, though, the first report you always have to be careful. we don't know every single detail here. we'll bring you you as soon as we hear, but that is what we are being told at this very moment. if that is all true, that's very positive news for these boys and some hope for the rest that still have yet to come out. pete: absolutely. and they talked about the kids. you know, one of the divers talked about the brass tacks is you might have to sedate them a little bit because the panic is there. you also might have a boy even passing out for fear, panic -- ed: they were malnourished as well, not only water, but mal

malnourished, weakened. pete: so there are so many variables tied into this. and you talk to these navy seal divers, they're admitting, i haven't done anything this complex letting alone pulling someone else through. another one of those navy seal divers we had on the program, jake swagg he was a combat swimmer, navy diver, as you said abby, he compared it to something very few humans have ever done. listen. >> the people don't understand how much gear these guys have. they're normally traveling with two full scuba tanks and the reserve pony bottle. you know, they could have upwards of 150 pounds of gear, and it's not just a straight swim. they've got to climb, they've got to get out and walk. then they have to do it in the backwards fashion, put all that stuff back on with the kids now. there's a whole lot of stages to this mission, much like climbing mt. everest, you know, no one just walks to the top of.it abby: you can imagine also what these parents have been going through the past couple of weeks

weeks. the parents of these young boys. we reported yesterday that the soccer coach sent out a message to them that the boys are okay. we also heard directly from some of the boys asking their parents to please keep planning my birthday party. another one said he wanted to have fried chicken with his parents when they get out. so just a reminder of, you know, the hopes, i think the spirits are trying to be as hopeful as they can. and this is some real great news as we've been watching this the last couple weeks. this could take months. ed: this is a risky move. the reason it isn't taking months is because they can't wait months because the oxygen is running low, pumping in zen now. the reason they went in two and a half miles is they're fleeing rising waters to get away from it. more rain is coming, more rising waters. means the scuba dive is longer, means oxygen goes away quicker and so they're running out of time. and there were other contingencies they were hoping would happen but in this case they said we have to go with the riskiest one which many people

have said which is these combat divers literally maneuvering kids that can't swim, they can't see, they're scared out of their mind through these narrow passages. we've already seen one thai navy seal you lose his life for this cause, they're exhausted, it's a 12 -- 11-, 12-hour journey, all of those variables remind us why we're covering something like this from here in america so far flung, so much risk, so much courage, international involvement, u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s on the ground. this is an international effort. ed: if you look at that picture on the left, i think what's significant, the live picture in thailand is that obviously it does not appear that it's raining and we had heard that this weekend the monsoons may be coming back so perhaps -- we don't want to get ahead of the facts, we want to wait until the next news conference where the thai military, the local government comes in and tells us more but why they've moved in as you say it looks like quicker than expected, bringing more boys out, perhaps one at a time, perhaps they saw a window in the

weather before the monsoons start. we're running out of time, as you said a moment ago, and we better get in there. those pictures on the left certainly suggest the weather is a little bit dicey, a little bit cloudy at least, but it's not a monsoon in that picture as we had heard we might see today. abby: so you had the two boys that have been reported to have been rescued but also a few divers with them and there are certain times where they have to go one by one, the passages are just that skinny that you have to take it one by one. we had anmariirza on, coordinator of the national cave rescue commission, and they spoke about the problems these kids will face during such a rescue. take a listen. >> the big problem they're facebook, of course, is none of these kids knew how to swim, they've only had crash courses in diving, and spent nine days with no food, and that starvation made them weak, and so where a healthy person would have trouble doing this, now you

have all these added complications on top of that. i know a few of the divers in there, and they are among some of the best in the world, and they are very good at what they do, and if anybody could get them out, it will be them. ed: he's from a national cave rescue commission. take a one look at this cave as well. so you've got moments where you are under water, moments where you can't imagine up for air if you even tried to or wanted to and that's why teaching them how to stay calm with gear is important. we also talked about full climbing gear needed. see that third dot there? mean, we're talking about free climbing inside the cave also which has its own set of risks, even if the divers are carrying these heavy tanks, the kids have to be able to do it, just one fall, one slip. anything, you know, contingencies are everywhere. but if i know anything about the military, these thai navy seals, the navy seals, they hopefully have a second and third contingency plan for each one of those scenarios, tanks and supplies stationed throughout the cave. things like that, i mean, they're having to move quicker than possible, but the military does logistics pretty well in

emergency situations, so, you know, maybe they're staging kids throughout the cave, throughout the process, you don't have to do the whole journey in one fell swoop. i mean, there's a lot of different ways. abby: a lot depends on what the weather is at that very moment, but also this highlights the importance of an international rescue mission, banding together with your allies. you've got the u.k. involved here, you've got australia, you've got of course the united states all coming to do whatever they can, the best divers from around the world helping these young boys out, and it's because of this united mission that hopefully we'll get all of these boys out safely. ed: yeah. i mean, what you're speaking to is the sheer magnitude of this rescue mission. the video we're showing, the number of thai military and police and local officials that are involved in this rescue effort is remarkable in and of itself but then you add in the u.s. and other allies, it's really incredible. pete: even smallest details. like a combat experience, if you

forget to change a battery in your night vision goggle or a battery in your combat reticle, something goes wrong, you can't see inside these caves, flashlights, head camps, regulators, all the gear, a rope snags, a tank hits, all of those things matter and are the difference between a life and death scenario, which is why, you know, you think about the kids and you think about those families, and that is huge and significant, looks like we might possibly even be getting photos there on the right. we'll keep bringing it to you. could be kits, could be divers. abby: it's only going to get darker there so the question is do they have to halt this mission and start again when the sun comes up or much of this case is -- cave is dark, do you just keep go.ng pete: you can't see inside the cave either way, so without knowing, it's night all the time in that cave. abby: yeah. pete: so at this point i think they probably would try to push through, especially if time is of the essence. abby: again, two boys have emerged, according to multiple reports safely and healthy, and they are now going to a hospital

to be assessed. you still have ten of the other boys, 'cause there are 12 altogether, plus the soccer coach who is there. so we're going to keep a close eye on this. but you can just imagine what is going on moment, are they now working with the next browned of two boys. pete: getting more live pictures out of this. if we get more confirmation you will hear about all of it. we're riveted here on the edge of our seats trying to figure out what's coming next. stick with us on the program. we're going to move on briefly. this man is under arrest after threatening to kill supporters of the president and gop congressman lee zeldin. the new york lawmaker is here live with his campaign volunteer who was nearly struck by that man. they join us just ahead. ed: and hillary for 2020? is hillary secretly planning a third presidential run? we'll ask a former senior adviser to the clintons next.

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♪ pete: well, does hillary clinton think the third time could be a charm for 2020? in an op-ed new york post columnist and former obama voter michael goodwin thinks she is definitely up to something. abby: he writes "with the democratic party locked in a battle between its far left wing and its far, far left wing, no single leader has emerged to unite it. clinton is trying to play that role by being a mother hen to the fledgling activist in politics by their hatred of trump. there is no clear front-runner for the nomination 18 months into trump's presidency. clinton remains the closest thing to an combatant. here to react, democrat and former chief strategist for both bill and hillary election campaigns, mark penn. what do you make of that,

hillary clinton 2020? >> well, i think goodwin's piece was a little bit more almost fantasy news. it didn't even qualify as fake news. i think he took some emails that are professionally written and tried to blow it up into a 2020 run. i think hillary may not be done with public service, she could make a great supreme court justice, she might even be a secretary of state again. i think she may be very interested in public service, but i don't think she's planning a secret run in 2020. i think she is going to remain relevant in issues and in politics, and she's made that clear. pete: mark, you're right. i mean, a lot of professional emails are written with a lot of hyperbole to raise money and we get 'em in our in box all the time. you can't draw too much from that necessarily. but is it completely outside the realm of possibility that as 2020 approaches and no other clear front-runner emerges, that she could try to make the case, "hey, the third time really is the charm. voters are ready for me now"? >> well, i think goodwin dismisses what actually is happening when you look at the democratic primary. when you look at the democratic primary, joe biden has been

rising. he's well over 30% in the harvard-capps-harris positive last month. he rose into the mid-thirties. he is a front-runner. he is dismissed as too old, but he has just done a massive book tour, he is vibrant, he's been a vp. there is a front-runner. he is it. he's not in the forties like big front-runners, but he is now head of the pack, and he's the kind of person democrats are really looking for. when you get rid of all the fluff and the excitement and all the people playing to the left, he actually is much more in line with what democratic primary voters are really looking for. abby: do you think the democratic voters or even leaders within the democratic party are wanting more of the clintons right now? we've seen bill clinton out and about promoting his book getting into a bit of trouble talking about the #metoo movement, among other things, hillary lost the last election. do you think these two are what the democratic party are wanting behind closed dears saying we need to move on from this? >> look, there is a special

place for the clintons who made a tremendous contribution. i worked with both of them, they made a tremendous contribution to democratic politics and to the country. so i don't think it's "do we want them? do we not want them?" i think the party is going to move forward, not backward. in a way biden -- pete: just what i was going to ask, how is biden a move forward forward? it's very interesting how this could unfold. of course everyone thought jeb bush was the front-runner at this time four years ago as well well. anything can happen. >> you never know with a multi multicandidate field who really emerges this early. just telling you that -- pete: clearly never too early to speculate, which we're doing this morning. mark penn. thank you forecast time. abby: have a good sunday. coming up next, a fox news alert. we've been toggle this all morning now. two boys have now emerged from the cave in thailand. we are live on the ground with an update to that rescue. that is next. my mom's pain from

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stay with their families until their 40's. ♪ ed: we're back with a fox news alert. the first two boys rescued from a cave in thailand just moments ago. we believe the boys are now being taken to a hospital, obviously, for a full evaluation evaluation. abby: jeff paul joins us right now live on the ground in thailand with the very latest. jeff, what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's an incredible development and i think something everyone around here in northern thailand had been waiting for. of course people around the world watching this story. local thai reports and some local officials reporting at least two boys, possibly three. we know maybe that there was one group of boys, two of them that were first rescued and brought out of the cave successfully, and then a second group that had one boy. now, we're also hearing that the boys are in a process of being checked out by medical physicians possibly at the site

and then transferred to the hospital for further examination examination. they've spent the last more than two weeks inside a dark cave. so it's really hard to understand what they've been going through. they haven't been eating regular food. they've been out with -- been without regular water. but we also need to keep in mind that there still are several more boys and a coach in there that need to be rescued. this could take several more days for them all to be successfully rescued. back to you .ou abby: jeff, give us a sense. does this continue through the night? it is now 7:25 p.m. in thailand, so it's only getting darker. we don't know the weather conditions, but what are you hearing where you are in terms of the plans? do you keep it going or do they take some time to take a break and come back in the morning? >> i think -- this is a round the clock effort. they want to get these boys out of there as fast as they can. the thai governor for this province said now is the time, they can't wait any longer. as we reported on fox & friends

this morning eastern time, it was pouring rain out here. so it's obviously adding to that sort of ticking clock, that they need to get everybody out of here as fast as possible wiretap we did notice when we were out at the cave site before they moved media away that there seem to be shifts of people coming in and out, but i think they want to get them out as fast as they can. ed: jeff, you mentioned the local governor talking. what are other thai officials saying? give us a sense -- i know from trying to rush into a story like this, i mean, how far are they staging you from that cave? give us a flavor for what you're seeing on the ground that we can't see through the camera lens. >> so the area where the cave is it's pretty remote, it's up in a mountain. i would say it's off to our shoulder here, you can't see anymore because it is now night. on the drive up it's a very small, little road, extremely muddy. at the cave site it's even mud muddier. we were up to our almost knees in mud at some point. so it's a very rural area. pete: wow. that is incredible.

gives you quite a sense indeed. abby: jeff, we'll check back with you shortly. thank you. pete: here's more with what may or may not be going on on the ground, anmarmirza, the coordinator of the national cave rescue commission. this news surprised us, anmar. we examined one kid not this quickly, two emerged. what does that tell you about the operation underway right now now? >> what it tells me is that they had a really good plan for what they were going to do and they executed it well. my guess is that they spent a lot of time hashing out the details of the plan. it also tells me that the conditions in the cave most likely due to the pumping and the modification that they had been working on making the cave passages bigger and easier to traverse through has substantially increased the efficiency of moving through the cave, which is just outstanding news. that's outstanding new. pete: so many variables i guess we hadn't even thought about here. sometimes the assumption is one diver is going in and out but

they could have been staging divers on different legs of it so they're familiar with that passage. you're also saying the modifications, maybe dine mitt, different things to open up certain passages to make it easier. you're saying likely some of those things are happened and have been successful? >> yes. absolutely. and that was -- i've seen pictures of them drilling inside the cave, and i'm not talking about the drilling like they were doing outside where they're trying to find the cave but using smaller drills to remove the rock. it's a standard cave digging technique that we use to open up caves. and i saw videos of them doing that which told me that they were really preparing the route and making it just as smooth and efficient as possible. of course, this was necessary to do not because it was the best plan all along but because of the exigencies of the moment made it the best plan to execute at this particular moment. ed: we're getting word that local officials are planning to have a news conference roughly 8:45 a.m. eastern time for us. they're about 11 hours ahead of us on the ground there.

what are the two or three things you want to hear that will tell you more about how this is progressing? what would you hope to hear from them in terms of details or scenarios? >> well, what i would like to hear is that they've actually -- that the kids have been moved out of the area that they were originally camped in. they were all that and that they've been staging them along the way so that rather than sending them a few at a time and there's a few left, that they're all making their way out en masse but taking them through the most difficult parts two at a time as we've been hearing. that's what i would like to hear hear. what i would also like to hear, by the time they have the news conference is they have a couple more out. abby: actually on that note we do so more breaking news, coming in from sky news. a third boy is now out of these caves. is fourth citizen route is what we are being told, that is being -- a fourth is en route. more great and hopeful news coming out from sky news just as

we're covering this right now. anmar, we've talked a little about the diving and how difficult the diving part of this mission is coming out of this cave, but you are a national cave rescue commission, you're an expert in this, talk to us about the climbing part of this, because a lot of these passageways are so deep and they're so narrow, how important is it to be able to climb at the same time? >> well, in this case, for the kids -- and i've not been able to get details on when they talk about the climbing area needed, whether that involved rope work or not. i've still not been able to get details on that. but the kids would have been hauled up or down in the areas that need to be climbed. that would have been rigged so the kids didn't have to actually do any climbing and from that standpoint it actually speeds things up quick because they are not having to, you know, exert the physical strength which they don't have right now, which would slow down the operation dramatically. abby: but it also helps you better understand just how incredible these divers are that

are helping to rescue these boys the training that they have endured all these years, many of them are navy seals, they come from all over the world including many of our own from here in the u.s., the ability that they have to not only climb but to dive and also to carry these boys. i'm sure at times on their back. ed: up to 150 pounds of gear in some cases. this is remarkable effort, anmar and i wonder, on top of that, what does it tell you? i mean, abby started us off by saying, you know, two boys coming out was a little faster than we expected. now sky news reporting a third boy is emerging and a fourth is on the way. this seems to be moving a lot faster than we expected. >> it absolutely is. it actually kind of makes me wonder how much they had already started moving forward but did not want to release the information until they felt a lot more confident about it. again, i have no confirmation of that. that's speculation on my part. ed: absolutely. >> it would be good speculat.on pete: no. i mean, if anybody can speculate

it's you. we're looking at a graphic of that thai cave right now. what you're saying is likely they've moved them along different routes that are above the water level so that -- just says they've been staging oxygen tanks along the route, so you probably have divers at different legs passing kids off to each other as they move throughout the tunnel? is that likely what you think's happening? >> that is very likely of what's been going on, based on how fast they're bringing them out rather than having individual divers escort a child or pair of children out, that would have taken a lot longer than this particular operation. and if i were planning it, that's most likely how i would have been doing it but, again, i don't have the information that they have, so i can't comment to that. pete: and that way as well the divers on their particular leg of the journey are more familiar with the nooks and crannies and particulars of a particular passage as they do it time and time again. >> absolutely. we use the exact same technique when we're hauling somebody out in a stretcher, we will stage

people through parts, they will learn that part really well so when it comes time for their turn to run the stretcherer through there, they have it down they can do it very difficult. abby: anmar, really great expertise, great having you on this morning. thank you so much. >> you're welcome. ed: you can also see the flurry of activity -- i mean, we've been playing live pictures and some video from recent hours, and there was staging, there was a little bit happening. now you see sirens, see people racing to the scene because this is moving much quicker than anybody expected. dan bongino has a lot of experience with law enforcement, former nypd officer, former secret service agent. dan, as you watch with us with this massive breaking story, what's going through your mind? >> you know, i remember in the secret service academy at one point we did this helo did you thinker exercise where they put you in a mock helicopter, and keep in mind, this is in a pool. you're not dealing with any of the complication these heroes who are going out, this is in a

controlled environment in a pool in a really deep end of the secret service pool, and they would dump you upside down in a mock basically helicopter and teach you how to get out under panic. this is during the day, you have light, you can see. and then once in a while they would put a blindfold on you, and i have to tell you, it's not -- the exercise isn't really difficult, ugly buckle, move up, swim out -- unbuckle, move up, swim out. obviously you can't breathe; we're not fish. and when you can't see, it's the panic that kills. think about that, you're not only saving yourself if you're one of these professional divers but you're saving a group of kids, not even adults, scared, frightened kids who haven't eaten real food or seen natural daylight in a long time. i mean, the heroism of these divers -- and they've already lost one hero -- is really just staggering. i'll never forget that exercise. i'm actually a pretty good swimmer, and at one point i even came pretty close to panic. abby: it's a great exemplary, and you can't even imagine what these boys are going through and

what these divers are going through. if you're just tuning in, by the way, this is all breaking as we speak. originally we thought it was going to be one boy first that was rescued that would take at least 11 hours. we're now at three that have been rescued safely, we're being told, a fourth boy is en route through that cave that is two and a half miles deep. dan, you were talking before about just keeping these boys calm. how important is it? i mean, you think about how the reference this dive is back to safety and how important is the role for these divers to help these young boys to breathe, to stay calm, to remind them that things are going to be okay? i mean, that is half of their job. >> incredibly. listen, panic kills. it does. and adding a further layer of complication to this already incredibly difficult exercise, getting these children out of there, abby, is that apparently at one point in the cave there is this really compressed zone, so if you even have a little

hint of claustrophobia, you're going to be going -- and you can't see. i mean, outside of your tactile ability to feel around, you can't see, you can barely hear, you obviously can't breathe. i mean, this is really a witch's brew of things that would drive fear and panic. and it's panic that kills because it breeds irrational behavior. i mean, that's why panic -- it's very hard to control someone once that anxiety and panic kicks in. pete: dan, you're totally right, and the only way to deal with that panic or subdue it is training and planning. and of course these s.e.a.l.s and divers have training, the kids don't, but talk to us about the planning. as a secret service officer you've had to be in charge of and look after every single detail because if one detail goes wrong, the plan cascades in the wrong direction. how sophisticated, how detailed is a plan in this uncertain environment? >> yeah, i'm sure, pete, that they've run these dry runs through the cave multiple times in delivering supplies and other

things, and they're probably trying to feel out every little nook and cranny of this so they know what to do, god forbid one of these children does panic. you know, i think back also to another exercise we did, different circumstances, but the panic's the same where we did fire exercises, in a live fire where they light up number 2 fuel oil. we did this in the secret service. number 2 fuel oil emits a black smoke. you can't see anything. and i remember specifically a couple people where we had to open up the shutters because we call the dropping code. they drop code, they just panic completely, and you can't get them to move, pete. irrational behavior kicks in and you can't get them to move. now, imagine that under water, you can't see, and you're in a compressed, claustrophobic space space. really, i can't express enough the braver of these heroes going down to get these kids and honestly the bravery of these kids willing to do -- i would say, hey, can you just wait for the dry season? i don't think i'd be able to do that.

i really don't. it's incredible what they're going through right now. ed: and, dan, agents france press is saying kids have moved to chamber 3 of the cave and cave 3 is the command center of these operations. we're trying to put this together so we do not know yet if this is four boys on top of the first, two boys that emerged altogether, on or whether it's just two more accounting for the first two. but the bottom line is, there's movement in the cave. what does that tell you about chamber 3 command center and how having been through important law enforcement operations before, certainly not something of this magnitude, how you break this situation up, you break it up into pieces you have a command center, and instead of this being one fell swoop, you're trying to make progress inch by inch? >> yeah. i mean, that matters, you know. you don't want to -- this is why they're going to do it, listen, slow and smooth is fast in a

case like this. there is absolutely no benefit, ed, none, to rushing this exercise. thankfully, there's nothing -- there's no acute problem right now. it's a chronic problem, don't get me wrong. we have children trapped in a cave, but there's no montage. not a fire in there, thank god, they're not starving, they can get them supplies. you know, get them food, they can get them water, they've dropped off medicine, antibiotics. the kids will be fine. now, it's a terrifying situation granted. but it's not acute. slow is smooth in a case like this. if there's even a hint that this operation could go wrong with one of these children, they'll probably dial it back, take a breather, readjust and, you know obviously in these kinds of operations we did, slow is smooth. that was also the lesson. abby: dan, i spent a lot of time on the beach there in coronado where our navy seals train, and i watched them out the window and i'm reminded just how difficult their training is but

also the importance of teamwork. and in order to finish a mission and for it to be successful, you are all in it together, you rely on each other for success. talk to us about how important that is in this specific situation, not just these divers working together, but working with these young boys, that they have to be all in it at the same time for it to be a success. >> you know, abby, i agree with you a thousand percent. when i was an instructor in the secret service academy, we had small classes of 24 to 48 agent trainees, and a couple times i was privileged enough to have a former navy seal in that class of soon to be secret service agents. and, i mean, you want to talk about a squared away group of guys, they were -- we didn't need to tell them anything. we were just say, "hey, here's the deal. you're going to run this class, okay, as my representative to these agent trainees. what a bunch of incredible people. and you hit on the key take-away take-away. the key take-away with them is it's all about their buddies,

and it's all about teamwork. to them they leave no one behind behind. it's esprit de corps, whether they're thai or u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s, the best of the best to ensure that this operation goes smoothly. they're not going to leave anybody behind, that's not in their credo, not in their blood, not what they do. pete: you brought a phrase back to life for me we always used to say as well, "slow is smooth, smooth fast." and if this operation is going faster than we expected, it means thus far, thankfully, it has likely been smooth, even if they're going slowly and carefully and cautiously in this cage. also potentially -- again there's a lot of reports on twitter right now about numbers of people and who's going where, who might be coming out, but some speculation that the stronger kids were probably the ones that made the journey first because they were capable of it. so you still look at an operation like this and thank god things are looking good so far but some of the risk may still be on the back end, as you have maybe younger kids or

weaker kids who still have to make the trip after others have. so complacency is something i know in these operations a long day in secret service, a long day out in patrol it could be easy to let your guard down, and that's when mistakes happen as well. >> yeah, pete. you definitely don't want the psychological impact, god forbid one of the initial operations to get these children out fail. it's obvious that the other kids would know. then you have the psychological impact of knowing, god forbid, someone in front of you, something were to happen. so it's a very smart strategy to take the strongest swimmers, the strongest kids, the healthiest kids first to make sure that psychologically the kids left behind 'til the later end of the operation understand that, okay, it's working. listen. being mentally strong in this case is probably even more important than being physically strong. you can overcome a little physical weakness from being in a cave, but mentally if they lose it and panic in some of

those compressed spaces, the psychological impact on the others would be devastating. so this is a really smart strategy to get the strongest ones out first. ed: by the way, dan, the independent paper out of the u.k. seemed to be backing up what agent french press was saying that four boys will reach chamber 3 and will walk out of the cave shortly, that according to the independent. obviously we're waiting and don't want to get ahead of any of this, but that sounds like a lot more boys may be emerging very soon. >> well, listen. this thing seems to be, thank thankfully, going smoothly. now, i know these under water operators, they've probably gone through that passageway, gosh, five, six, seven, eight, ten times, mentally mapping out, creating a mental picture of every single turn and nook and cranny of this. so they're probably pretty skilled at it but again the x factor is always going to be the response of the children when you have them with you. and, you know, i thank god, i mean, this is really -- i can't

think of a more horrifying situation. listen. i'm not scared of the dark, but, i tell you what, i am pretty claustrophobic. i'm a 43-year-old man who's been through a lot. abby: dan, your perspective has been super helpful. we're going to keep you on the line but we also want to bring in congressman and army veteran lee zedon who joins us now on the couch. this is all unfolding as we speak here, congressman. what do you make of the developments? as it's being reported, it sounds like four boys have now been rescued out of this case. >> you know, in life you get tested at times and you realize what kind of strength that you have. these are kids, but they spent the last couple weeks preparing for this moment. and they want out of the cave. so all of the preparation that they were given by the pros of how to go through this difficult mission, i'm not surprised to be seen the stories of their composure, of being able to work with the pros to be able to get out. maybe none of them have an

ability to swim. maybe none of them, obviously, have ever scuba dived before. and then you have the pros 150 pounds of equipment as it is. but i think these boys are probably so ready to get out of the cave that they're listening, they're focused, and they're doing everything possible to figure out and realize that they have strength that they didn't know that they had before. pete: situations, you get placed in them it's all about how you respond to them. again there may be a press conference coming up soon. if and when it comes we'll bring it to you. you've been interacting with a lot of these navy seals. when there's a problem around the world, america has been there and a part of that scene. talk about the courage of our own combat divers who, you know, do a lot of other things in uniform and now here they are rescuing boys far flung around the world. >> yes. we have these high profile schools in our military, people know how tough it is to get through army ranger school or how tough to get maybe through airborne school, these different branches have these tough schools to get through but i

think scuba school is like a 17% passage rate, huge dropout. larger than life. the best of the best of the best best. when i went through airborne school, we had people who are completing seals training at that time and you see firsthand like almost -- you almost feel like they're, you know, invisible with their ability not just when you're with them in training setting, but obviously as you could see with them in a deployed combat setting. so they're very well trained, larger than life, not just the best of the best. they're even better than that. so to be able to have them there there. but also our equipment, because really important to be able to communicate. we have -- i also serve on the house foreign affairs committee as well as military service, we view thailand as an ally to our country, we participate with them in training exercises, so

from a personal standpoint, the professionalism, the experience standpoint, the equipment, i think that we can certainly bring some important resources to bear. and also you're seeing leadership on the part of thailand. and, you know, they obviously have some larger-than-life seals themselves who are doing some exceptional work. ed: we want to bring back dan bongino. monitoring these pictures of more and more boys emerging from the cave. by the way, this soccer team, being rescued as all of us watch the world cup, millions upon millions of people watching, on social media a lot of people praying saying if they can get all of these boys out alive they should be at the world cup final as an inspiration for the entire world. >> oh, my gosh, yeah, talk about people worthy of celebration and a good, solid, hardy pat on the back, this is a group of heroes in these -- you know, let's be candid, very contentious times. we could use a unifying moment.

and let's hope and pray this works out, but this could be -- you know, i was listening to congressman zeldin, he's a good man there, and i remember what pete had said before, and i just want to hammer home one more thing. you know, when you're in the military or secret service or law enforcement like i was, pete knows that and the congressman knows this, you're trained to operate in the red zone. you know the red zone, you're heart rate's up, your peripheral vision's up, they train you in that red zone so you learn how to manage the panic response, right? these children have no training in that at all. they're kids. they were playing soccer, and now they find themselves in an existential crisis. i mean, that made goes to speak to the bravery of these military operators there taking on this mission. they didn't even ask any questions. we got it, don't worry, we got it. ed: dan, i want to add, by the way, that we are now reporting, fox news, that six boys have emerged from the cave in thailand. we are still -- there's a rescue team that's still trying to get

as many of them out as quickly as possi.le pete: we're reading reports they're coming in in real time, i'm reading and hearing the same reports, with are they in the last holding chamber, have they walked out, are they in an ambulance, already at the hospital? not clear exactly where they all are but reports all add up, dan, that six are in some way at a safe place and about to receive medical attention. again, i want to remind our viewers, we started this morning at six a.m. wondering if maybe today one kid would come out of the cave -- ed: over the span of ten or 11 hours. pete: -- over the span of ten or 11 hours. here we are two-hours later, six boys are staff. half of that soccer team. hasn't heard about the status of the coach. what does that tell you, dan, about the operation? >> it must have been going smoothly right now to be moving kind of pace. this was intentionally designed, this to be deliberate and slow. as i said before, i can't reiterate this enough. this is a crisis, but it's not

an emergency. there's a difference. again, there's not a fire in the cave, there's not a medical emergency right now, so they could have taken this slow. if it's going this smoothly at this pace we're up to six now, since i've only been on the air with you guys 20 minutes, it says to me that the kids, one, are acting incredibly bravely. i mean, for them to have gone this methodically and thought this through and not panic and then the operators to be moving at this pace, i mean, i really -- it speaks to the heroism of these guys doing this. it's just incredible, when you think about what they're doing with underground. they can't see. you obviously can't breathe without the equipment, barely feel around you. just amazing. abby: and it's 7:50 p.m. right now in thailand, as you can see, it's already dark there. we're waiting for a press conference on this rescue mission. we'll bring you that as soon as we get it. but it should be underscored, dan, was just a couple of days ago we were reporting on this couch about a navy seal member in thailand who died trying to

get to these boys to rescue them died lack of oxygen and other things, just a reminder of how dangerous this all is and the fact we now are reporting that six of these boys have been rescued. i mean, you've got to just think about what they've endured over the past few hours. >> yeah. you know, abby, i'm glad you brought that up, because i remember specifically what i was doing. i was waiting for a movie or something, i was going through twitter, and i saw that this operator had died in the practice operation to save these kids due to lack of oxygen. and i was touched by it because, you know, it just speaks to the unbelievable selfless sacrifice of our law enforcement, our military people, who for almost no money at all -- these are the missions they take on. listen. i love my job. i know you guys do too. but there's not a -- you don't go to work every day thinking, gosh, am i going to die today? this is their job. and they just do it. i mean, pete you know, right, better than any -- they show up for work, and it's not even a

question. i'm not comparing my former job to the military at all. but i remember in the secret service going to terrorist hot zones and you be there and you're basically on your own. there's no secret service for the secret service. and nobody ever once was like, "hey, ung we could get killed on this?" like, you just do your thing. and the military guys and women, they do this every single day, and this hero lost his life practicing to rescue these kids. and that story should be told over and over again. it speaks to the unbelievable sacrifice they m.de pete: hopefully it will be. so as we reported now six now safe emerging at some level in the cave. six still remain. the coach is still there. we talked a lot about the kids, but we can also think about this coach who took this team out, they say it was a hike or initiation into this cave, the weather got ahead of them, they had to retreat two and a half miles into the cave. he's said to the public in a letter that he's really sorry, obviously. you know, he's probably -- could

you speculate he may be staying behind to the last man? you're the coach. how responsible do you feel about this right now? >> yeah, i wouldn't be surprised if he's the last person out. he is the captain of that team, and, you know, he's going to stay there with that ship until the end. and he probably does feel horrible. but, listen. i don't know much about that cave, obviously, but the coach was obviously acting in the best interests of the kids. how was he going to know that the cave was going to be flooded and he was going to be caught up there. remember, you know, there was an option here, they could have waited until that dry season which was obviously a long way off. and they didn't. so someone made a command decision, and thankfully up to now, keep our fingers crossed, it seems to be going pretty wel. ed: and the conditions on the ground, in addition to the water the oxygen issues, i was just seeing a bbc journalist on twitter saying that the only light they have now as darkness is falling in thailand is the light from her television camera

camera. it gives you an idea of darkness is here, that doesn't necessarily affect the operations in the cave, congressman lee zeldin who's still here with us, because the cave is dark anyway. so -- but, it complicates the operations 'cause the people on the outside are helping to run this are now in darkness themselves. >> and you were talking earlier about the equipment that we have available. one of our skill sets, especially we see with our special operators is the ability to turn nighttime into daytime. so i don't want to, you know, speculate incorrectly, but i would guess that all throughout the entire cave all of the personnel under there are operating with the equipment that, even though it might be nighttime -- listen, even when it's light outside of the cave, it's pretty dark, i'm sure, as you're getting farther into the cave. so even in the day -- pete: it's a terrible example. you driving the lincoln tunnel here, you go, you know, a quarter mile in, if you were to turn the lights out, it would be pitch black. so they've been operating in that darkness the entire time be

and that's where planning and logistics really come into play, congressman, because a battery goes out, a light breaks, a respirator doesn't work and now you are in this panic situation. and if the rescuer is panicking and the boys panicking, that's when bad things happening. >>it's also possible we might read about three people helping one boy get through the cave as we've seen with the map of the entire cave and how it's a very complicated, it's an obstacle course filled with obstacles, that they might have other people who are designated at particular locations with a particular job function to make sure that they are able to maneuver the kid and the assisting personnel through that particular obstacle as quickly as possible. so i also don't think that those individuals who start the journey with the boy at the beginning, that they're on their own through this entire route. they have the ability to turn the darkness into light, and i'm sure that they have other people who are also helping them through some of these challenge.

abby: people from all around the world. so six boys, they have now left the cave. that according to a senior member of the rescue team coming from sky news. and, dan, off of what lee zeldin was saying, the importance of different countries coming together in this rescue effort, especially the united states, where you have different militaries with different expertise, working together, teaching each other things, bringing different pieces of equipment that can be most helpful in this rescue mission. it's a reminder that we all do rely on each other, in these very dire situations. >> right. and the congressman brought up a really terrific point. one of the technological advantages of having the world's most powerful military and, in addition, the world's most powerful economy is economic advantages of technology we can incorporate into our military. and he brought something up about our military and night vision. and he's correct, absolutely correct. you know, one of the lines i get from military operators we worked with in the secret

service all the time is they'd say, "hey, dan, we own the night here." we do. our night vision capabilities, even lighting technology, all of our equipment is going to be top-notch. and, abby, make no mistake, either. i'm glad you brought this point up. the people of thailand, you know recognize this. and thank god we do this. i mean, certainly no one in the united states is looking for a round of applause. in some way anyone's doing it and definitely not the military people on the ground. they do it 'cause this is their mission. but i think the people of thailand will recognize we're there, you know, when you need us, the united states is there. we're always there to put a hand on your shoulder and say "what do you need?" don't forget that. pete: dan, i'm going to ask you a technical question here but it just came to my mind. communication is very important. you've got a command center, with a map out, trying to know who's there, what part of the operation is working, where to provide more oxygen or food or supplies, but communication inside that cave, i know even communicating on the battlefield with radios, you've got range limitations, you've got, you know, if you're underground or

above ground, in a cave, how do you communicate spectively across two and a half miles? would you know that? >> gosh. that's -- pete, you're not only dealing with being obviously underwater here, you're also dealing with layers of rock in between you which creates an obvious problem for radio frequency to get through. and i'm glad you brought this up 'cause communication is -- if you were to triage your needs in a situation like this, communication's number one. i remember doing a symposium with matt eversman who was involved in the black hawk down incident and he mentioned communication was almost more important to him than his weapon weapon. he had fast roped down and sawed off the ability to use his hand mike on his microphone and he said that was the worst part of the episode for him because he had a hard time communicating through that. the ability to be vectored through and have someone in your ear calming you down, yeah, if communication goes down you're in real trouble. that's a good point.

abby: it's true. we've heard they've been piping oxygen in to portions of the cave. they've potentially hard-wired communication at certain points throughout the cave to report back to the command post, but communication between people, you're going to have a limitation there because of the specs and the geography of a cave, rock, water, everything dan just said. abby: also you do wonder about language differences that just came to mind, dan, when you have these divers let's say some of them are from the u.s., how do you communicate with these boys when you're trying to help them through, obviously, as we talked about earlier, you got to calm their nerves, but communication, what if you don't speak the same language? that becomes even more of a challenge. >> yeah. it certainly doesn't make the situation any easier to deal with. abby, if you had a list of ten things that were to complicate this exercise, like a checklist, how would we complicate this, all ten are met. you can barely see. you obviously can't breathe without the equipment. you're in a compressed little area to get through there. you're dealing with kids who

have zero training at all who haven't eaten real food and daylight. the bravery of these guys is unbelievable. abby: dan, you've been awesome. we're going to come back right after this break. pete: thank you for being here as well, congressman. thank you. pete: continuing live coverage now being. abby: back to that fox news alert, six boys emerging from the cave in thailand just moments ago, ambulances rushing the boys to a her report where it is waiting to take them to the hospital. six others still remain underground with their coach. the ongoing operation unfolding as we speak. >> that's right. we want to bring in right now david sears is a former navy seal, and i spoke to him just a couple of nights ago on the air and he was really doing a fabulous job of walking every step through this operation. and david, what i remember, the other part of the interview is that you were telling me that you were hoping, you were praying for the best, but given your vast experience, you were

not that optimistic just 48 hours ago that that you were going to emerge alive. what are your thoughts now as we see six of the 12 boys emerge alive, they're now getting medical treatment and this operation appearing to go a lot better than many of us expected. >> no, i think it's like we talked about, ed. they had the other window was to bring them out like four months or let 'em way four months, and the challenge there was they realized just as you and i had talked was the water levels were rising, how far were they going to get, how stable was the cave going to be and what was their oxygen going to be left in that cave? so i think they just made a risk-and-reward decision and said, "we got go now or we may not get 'em out." so now you make the calculus and get 'em .ut pete: to remind our viewers, just three hours ago when we started this program, all 12 and the coach were in the

>> what does it tell you about the status of the operation, the amount of planninplanning, how d staged things, dan said it so well in the last hour, slow is smooth, smooth is fast. looks like it must be running smoothly thus far. >> it seems like it is running very smoothly. some problems could come up, but they have had a lot of time to prepare for this and a lot of people doing very good planning. they have some of the best people on the ground there in the cave rescue. they have looked at the contingencies which is important. you walk through, what if this goes wrong. i'm sure they probably did a dry run too, i would guess. one of the navy seal divers and have them act like a rescuee,

could he get stuck here in this little notch, what happens if he loses a cord or an oxygen tank, how do we get these guys through, they do at least one dry run with an experienced guy, and then they go you know what? we can make it. >> it seems like that's what happened. they had a navy seal member doing a practice mission and unfortunately he died in that rescue to see what they could learn along the way. you talk about how the navy seals train for something like this. talk about mentally preparing for this. you have to think about helping these boys out at times where you won't have as much oxygen, it is hard to climb these walls. you are a former navy seal. how do you mentally prepare yourself for a mission like this? >> it's just doing these things over and over again. 90% of the job is mental. i mean the physical part is the easy part. it is the mental. the people who are doing this,

in the cave, the thai navy seals that are helping them out, the other rescuers, they have been doing this for years. they have the mental fortitude to do these things or they wouldn't be in the position they are. that's not actually that big of a challenge for them. they are there already. it is just the job. >> it is remarkable to me where you started this interview saying that and reminding me what you told us a couple days ago, if the monsoons had come today. they might have to wait four months, 120 days to try again to get them. the idea that the boys could survive four months. we don't know how much water, how much food they could get, we don't know as you have been saying over and over again the oxygen situation over the next 24 hours, let alone the next four months. talk about the magnitude of what's happening right now. we thought maybe this was going to take months and now half of the boys are out safely. >> well, like i said before, i think that as they looked at

this, they said you know what? it is going to be now or never. they have a window where they have managed to pump enough water out. they have managed to dam enough spots of water flowing in and they said we're not going to get another opportunity or what's going to happen over the next four months, let's do it, we have the best wind that we've got, do it now. you take the risk. it's the same as doing mountain rescues, all sorts of things like that, where, you know, it is now or never. weather can close you out, and that's it. and so they had -- i guess oxygen levels were down to about 15%. >> yep. >> in the cave. normal our air consists of about 20% or so, you want it about that. >> we were told that's the one variable that they had mitigated a little bit is they have been pumping some oxygen into the cave to up those levels, but the water, as you said, could continue to rise, so they had a window of opportunity. but in order to exploit a window of opportunity, as you know, in

the military, you sort of always improve your position or -- and make sure your scenario is advantageous to you. as someone who has done diving, it appears and others have said they made passages more pa passable, added more roping, more contingencies, in order to take advantage of a moment, you have to have a lot of planning to be ready for it. >> absolutely. they are not just doing linear planning where it is a to b to c. they are developing contingencies so they have multiple options, can they walk them out, can they dive them out, can they leave them there? you develop plans for all of those at the same exact time, when the opportunity comes up to execute the right one, you do it. >> dave sears stand by. we want to bring in fox news correspondent jeff paul who is live for us on the ground in thailand. jeff, it is incredible. we spoke to you three hours ago

and we were thinking that it was going to be one boy possibly rescued, but maybe over 11 hours and here we are reporting six of those boys have come out of this cave, and sky news is showing footage of helicopters believed to be carrying the first two boys to a hospital, we believe. what are you hearing there on the ground? it is currently 8:07 p.m. where you are in thailand. >> that's correct. abby, i think incredible is probably the only way you can describe what's happening here in thailand. as you mentioned, we weren't expecting to hear really any development for at least another hour. here we are way ahead of schedule and hearing about possibly six boys who have been rescued, maybe four. it's really just simply incredible. you can imagine here in thailand there's a sense of relief from some of the locals who have been watching around the clock. we were up near the cave yesterday. so many people from thailand, different media members, different people volunteering,

everybody asking us what do you think? what's going to happen? everyone just praying and just hoping for the best, and the fact that we have so many of these boys reportedly out and to safety and getting checked out by physicians finally, it's just absolutely incredible, abby. >> it sounds like from all the experts we're talking to, especially former navy seals who have practiced for these types of operations, certainly not necessarily something of this particular magnitude, that it was possible we were going to have, you know, the next window being four months down the road, after the monsoon season to get these boys. it sounds like a bold move by the thai government and military along with their u.s. partners to go in and strike now, very risky, very bold. >> yeah, and i think it speaks to the collaboration out here. when we were near the cave, for much of the day yesterday, you could see, you know, different rescue crews, different people

from different nationalities, and it was amazing to see that, and i think it is that collaboration as one of the experts was speaking to before the different minds coming together, coming one the best plan, the best of the best -- coming up with the best plan, the best of the best, to get these boys and coach to safety. the other thing we also want to mention is the rain. it's been raining non-stop here. it is extremely muddy up there. this isn't just clear ocean water, clear lake water, this is extremely murky water. so the visibility in there, incredibly hard to see, it is dark, but also that water. it is not clear. it is not nice. not easy to see through. >> great reminder you said you had to walk through up to your knees in mud as well just to get to that location. jeff paul thank you for the very latest on the ground. we may come back to you. stick with us. appreciate your time this morning. as he talks about -- i didn't think of that imagery. seems like every segment we go through, you learn more about the variable that makes it that much more difficult. you look at the cave, the graphic we have been using all morning long, the orient

yourself, that's 2 1/2 miles that cave, think about the last time you ran 2 1/2 miles and what it would be like to move through it in that terrain. you have pockets of water, pockets of air, you have climbing and descending. what it appears as we hear from experts, this was not a linear operation, two divers, one kid, staging divers, staging oxygen, staging food, staging medical supplies, communication supplies, rope lines at every possible area throughout that cave come plex so that you're -- cave complex so that you are moving kids through, the strongest ones first it appears. you are passing them off diver to diver. divers learning each passage. another graphic depicts what it might be looking like as the divers pull through. you have ropes that the diver is following because it is pitch black, holding tanks, wearing tanks, while pulling or moving alongside a child who doesn't know how to swim, has never scuba dived before, is scared out of their mind, they are tethered together so they can't lose each other, always --

probably using hand signals to communicate at best and maybe not even speaking the same language, if you have international divers and young kids. i mean, every possible variable you could think about, and yet, we learn this morning that likely six confirmed four, but we think six have emerged safely. that's half of the team in much sooner time than we anticipated. so far good news. we certainly pray for the kids and the coach remaining in that cave right now. >> you talk about how complicated this mission is. a reminder, this is a perfect example of why our navy seals around the world do the training they do, to help out during such a serious situation as this. we want to bring in dave davidson a retired navy fleet master, a diver who does annual training. dave, we were reporting early this morning that they were -- you also did annual training with the seals in thailand. so a perfect perspective for what we're seeing happen right now. just initially off the top, your reaction here? >> yeah, we definitely do training navy divers do

cooperation float readiness training. u.s. navy seals train with the thai seals. that is one of the positive you are going to find out is thailand military divers are very professional, and the language barriers that we talk about between our military, we don't have them. they speak very good english. but the problem is is all of our training is either salvage or warfare. we don't generally do cave training. this will be a first for a lot of people. >> how helpful is it to have members of the military, navy seals from the united states, from australia, from the u.k.? >> it's very helpful, the equipment, everything you talk about, you talk about oxygen, you talk about everything, you've got to remember inside there there's sharp edges, you could cut things, you are only as strong as your weakest link, one error that happens to equipment or decision could have

a very bad outcome. >> dave on that point, perhaps you can answer a question, i'm seeing a lot of people ask this on social media, which is this is stunning, this is incredible, this is awesome frankly that this many boys have come out alive, but we can't take for granted and you know better than we do how complicated this is and they still have a lot of work ahead of them. the question that i'm seeing on-line is do these navy seals need to take a break at some point so they can gather and regroup to get their own strength, to get the other boys and the coach out? or do you just power through at this point and try to get it all done? >> that's why you have leadership on the ground there. you have to make those decisions. i have been on jobs that you can't stop. you can't stop even if you run into trouble. we have a doctor prescribe no doze to keep us awake on a

previous mission. so the decision to stop will be based on where they are at and the whole goal here is obviously 100% success. and that's how we will take it every time. i can guarantee you the thai military, government, 100% success and will take nothing less. as we have already seen even with their experienced divers, you can have tragic results. >> absolutely. talk to us about how you communicate in this scenario. communication is so critical to coordinate a plan of this complexity. you have got, you are in a cave, rock, water. you said the language barrier isn't as significant as we may have anticipated. but are there radios? hand signals? how are they communicating? >> and that's just it, when we go out there and we do salvage d diving -- diving with them, we have got communicated wires for communications that's 300 feet long, so when you are talking about this kind of length, so the equipment they are bringing in also may be new to that team.

i'm sure that they have experienced cave divers that are out there, you know, professionals from around the world and with different communication systems because our standard on the shelf, we don't have communication systems for this type of distance. >> dave, we originally were reporting this morning that maybe one boy would come out within the next 11 hours, that this could take up to four days to get done. we're now seeing just still on the air here, three hours later, four of the boys have been rescued at least, some are talking about six, why has this been sped up so much? what is going on in the cave you think for this to happen quicker than what we originally reported? >> well, i have to speculate obviously. but you think about it. if one came out and using a plan they have on the ground, and it worked the way they thought, and they are ready for the next one, it is like you don't want to stop because we don't know what the set-up is. you have to start all over again, and then rains going to come and cause more problems? if it's working and the set-up

there, the models are in place, the people are in place, the best thing to do is to keep moving while it's working the way it's planned. >> talk about also the condition of these boys. i know you don't know specifically how they are doing, but how quickly you try to assess that. i'm seeing local reports that are saying that the parents may not see these boys even the ones who emerge safely for 24 to 48 hours because the thai government wants to do as much medical evaluation and not assume that they are going to make it. they have to make sure they get the medical attention before they even get to their families. >> yeah. and the great thing in thailand is their medical situation -- they have excellent doctors, excellent hospitals. there's people that go on tourism for medical in thailand. we know they are covered that way. the best thing is make sure the child is fine medically, physically, and then reunite them for emotionally with his parents >> dave, the president just chiming in on this two minutes

ago on twitter. he tweeted the u.s. is working very closely with the government of thailand to help get all of the children out of the cave and to safety. very brave and talented people. of course we agree brave and talented people right there on the ground saving these kids. in military we talk in planning often times about the most likely enemy course of action and the most dangerous enemy course of action. in this case, the enemy is that cave and the water and the time. what is the most likely complication a diver would face? and what is the most dangerous complication a diver would face in this scenario? >> the most dangerous is obviously the unknown. now they are starting to find where things are. it is unknown for that child to that you are getting through. like i said, if you have any problems with any equipment, it is going to be probably the most likely because you have so much equipment and so many people staged and so much, you know --

i guarantee you this, they are working together. there's a back up for everything. it is not like if that fails, are we going to figure it out? no, they already know if this fails at this point, do we have enough oxygen to get to the next point? that's why they are carrying the extra bottle. >> we have been hearing about that extra bottle all morning long. dave, thank you very much for your service to this country and for your expertise not just in diving but in working with the thai military. we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> we want to bring in army veteran and member of house foreign affairs committee, great to have you with us. i mean, we are all watching this unfold together. what do you make of the rescue mission as it's going so far? obviously it is important to point out there are still six boys and the soccer coach that need to be rescued from this cave. so far this has happened far quicker than any of us expected. >> yeah, it is pretty amazing. you never want to get your hopes too far up especially as pete knows in the middle of an

operation, the very beginning could go well and things could change. it seems like this is basically ticking along right where they need. what is the most amazing thing about it is when you have a bunch of countries coming together, you look at it, there's 13 people. anywhere in the world there's tragedies happening to 13 people at any given moment, but this is something that's capturing americans' hearts. you think about the fact that it was two british divers, basically out, we all lost hope, they popped up in the middle of the nowhere and found these 13 people basically clinging to the side of this cave. if i was a british citizen and i heard them say i'm from the u.k. to these teenagers, i would have been extremely proud too. it is fun to see the world kind of come together at this moment and focus on some hopefully good news when this is all done. >> you have been a big proponent of america's involvement in the world, cooperation with friendly countries, maintaining alliances. how significant is the fact that our military has worked with the thai military for years, done training exercises together, so

in a moment like this, even if you haven't planned for this contingency, you have those relationships, friendly relationships, mutual training so you can come together in moments of crisis? >> it is amazing. so i remember in iraq, and we actually worked with the special ops doing what i do as a pilot, and i remember meeting with some of the folks from the british sas and talked to us and say we have dogs we learned how to use dogs from you guys but you guys learned from us a lot of about urban combat. when we went into iraq, we weren't that knowledgeable about urban combat because we hadn't done it in a while. to see, you know, allied forces be able to share this information, not just in wartime, but now the thai navy seals that have such a great relationship with the u.s. navy seals and learn a lot of their skill set, it is very rare that you ever fight an enemy you train. of course there's always a chance you will sometime, but for the most part, whether it's u.s. aid, whether it's u.s. military involvement, whether it's just a trading relationship, very rarely do two people with a tight relationship

like that ever fight, and frankly, they will fight with us when we need them, if for instance, we ever have a situation with china or god forbid north korea. >> they have been a strong part of our regional presence there as well. no doubt. >> absolutely. talk to us about communication. we've been talking to some experts, some former navy seals about this, but communicating not just before you go in to this mission. you have to huddle together and figure out what your plan is going to be. you would think they probably had some practice missions before this. unfortunately navy seal in thailand died in this practice mission, but the communication when you get to those boys and how you walk them through this 2 1/2 miles to get out of this cave. you know this from serving our country. so much of this is teamwork and communicating and all being on the same page. >> as pilots we call it -- before i would go flying, we would meet and go over the threats, what our target set, what we were doing, who had what responsibilities in the cockpit,

what we would do in case of an emergency, in a reactive environment, if i get something shot at me, i know exactly how to react. that's what, even though this is navy and not air force where i have the experience, this is what i guarantee they are going through is hey if we pass a kid off between these chambers and we happen to lose contact with them or if we lose contact with the next diver we're passing this person to, or we have a low oxygen situation, all of these scenarios they have practiced to know if this happens this is how they react. that leads to what i think is an extremely efficient exit strategy that we have seen. when we get the stories, it is going to be pretty amazing. >> congressman, we appreciate you coming in and giving us your insights. we want to bring in a former navy seal and a combat swimmer. when we started the morning, jake, we were talking about how the plan was to bring them out,

the boys, one by one, over many hours. now it's obviously happening more rapidly, and i'm seeing reports on-line that they are trying to bring the boys out now, actually, two by two. what does that tell you about this operation? >> one, they probably got squeezed for time, but let's be honest, that's what happens when you put the best and the brightest on a problem. you know, they underpromised and they are overperforming. >> absolutely. you know, i asked a friend of mine who has done a lot of diving in some complex situations what would scare him the most in this situation, he said visibility. cave waters looking muddy. you have zero visibility environment, even with a guide rope, it is going to freak out a kid and cause panic, full face mask is very smart, but if the water -- because the water is muddy, but then anything that gets a little twisted or hung up is hard to unravel and no ability to communicate with that kid or other divers. talk about what it's like to be in that murky environment. you can't see. the kid can't see. let's say his foot gets cut or

stuck on something, walk us through how you manage a situation like that. >> so i mean, let's just be honest, they've got people staged at all the places that are going to give them problems. they're not just rolling the dice that somebody is going to squeeze through the narrow passageway and make it on their own. they probably have guys there to face the contingency; right? they are not just going to let the kid struggle on his own. >> there's a variable that a kid that panics; right? >> yeah, if he panics, they are little. not much they are going to be able to do. they are going to get drug out, so, you know. >> you also think they have not been eating much over the last two weeks malnutrition. these boys are small to begin with. jake, you compared this climbing to mount everest. you think about that and the situation they are in, plus the pressure of not knowing how you

are going to get out of this thing, if you are going to get out alive with these boys who don't even know how to swim, to climb mount everest without doing any training beforehand. as we are watching this footage and seeing these pictures inside this cave, walk our viewers through what they are experiencing, likely right at this moment, with these boys. >> well, i mean, it's like i said before, you know, there are stages to the climb, but let's be honest, we've got six out. we've got seven more to go or six more to go. you know, getting down off of mount everest is just as dangerous as getting up it. so, you know, they are going through right now, they are probably terrified. >> yeah. >> either that or they are completely relaxed, one of the two extremes more than likely because they're not going to be able to see anything. so it is going to be like being in a dark closet, you know, in the water, not knowing where you are going, not knowing what's happening. they've talked them through it probably four or five times at this point. they have had some practice dives in the cave. you know, they've got an

understanding kind of what they are going to experience, but they don't know how long it is going to be. the other thing is there's breaks in between where they have got to get out and walk so they are not under water for that whole time which is probably a break for them. after they get done with that first dive and they get to the first bit of air, where they get to come up and breathe, i'm sure they are going to breathe a sigh of relief and be a lot better off. >> jake, we all want to be as optimistic as possible about the future of this operation, but i'm noticing reports on-line that one of the first boys who emerged, there are concerns about his condition, having been without food at one point for i believe nine days and more recent days they have had food, but they were malnourished and that was before heading into the watt we are the divers -- into the water with the divers and emerging after 2, 2 1/2 miles of a dive and a swim. there is at least one boy they are concerned about. they are obviously concerned

about the others who are still inside the cave. there are some reports as well that they may halt operations for the night and start it up again tomorrow because night has now fallen there in thailand. talk about as awesome as this operation has gone so far, about how we are not out of the woods yet, are we? >> oh, no way, i mean we have a long ways to go, you know. i mean, the big thing is once they get them out, you know, they may have a decompression -- i heard they are going to be -- some of the places are as deep as 90 feet. i highly doubt we will lose anybody after they get out from malnutrition. a person can go a month without food. they may be beat down a little bit. they may be in the hospital for a couple of days, but trust me on this one, getting them out of that cave is 99% of the problem. >> jake, we've been showing a couple of graphics this morning. we're going to put another one up on the screen. not sure if you will be able to

see it or not, but it illustrates the complexity of a tandem dive like this. you know, we're hearing that it is basically two divers for every kid coming out. ultimately there is a rope or a dive line that they are holding on to, they have got both tanks but also compressed air bottles. the child wearing a full face mask to minimize the variables. they are also tethered to the diver. you are saying likely if they are going through tricky passages, there are other divers at that intersection to use a familiar term for folks shepherding the other divers through as well as a child so that you're again minimizing variables of what they could run into. they probably already cleared those areas out even more, nothing's going to be smooth. but is this a set-up where you're tethered to someone else rescuing someone that is commonly practiced that you're familiar with? >> 100%, right? like if you get to a real sticky place, there's going to be a pro there to help you out through that sticky place. you know, that's just part of

mission planning, operation planning, right? >> yep. >> you want to make sure that at all the places where thing cans go really wrong -- where things can go really wrong, that you have extra people there so they don't. in this case they have over a thousand people on the ground, they are not going to waste anybody that could help out in a situation where they could make the odds of probability of everything going successful increase. >> jake, you know, you think about these boys and their coach who have been in this cave for two weeks now. how important is it to have each other during these times? i mean if you were left alone in this cave, by yourself, i mean, you don't have much food. you don't know what the conditions are. but to rely on each other for moral support, to help each other stick through it, to give each other hope in a time when it seems like you don't know what the future might be, or if you're going to make it out, how important that is to have each other. >> well, i know this, you don't

want to play them in about a month from now because they are going to be fired up to win some soccer games now. >> that's true. >> it is a bonding and dangerous experience. we pray for them. thanks for your time and expertise. we appreciate it. >> thank you, guys >> we move on with a fox news alert. if you have been watching all morning, we will keep you updated, at least four boys emerging from a cave in thailand. ambulance rushing them to a helicopter waiting to take them to a nearby hospital. no word on their conditions. >> here's where the operation currently stands. navy seals are still working to get the rest of the 12 boys of course out along with their soccer coach. it could take up to four days the team has been underground now for 16 days. >> let's bring in jeff paul. he's been doing some outstanding reporting on the ground there where he mentioned earlier that as he arrived he was about halfway up his legs in mud. this is such a rural area. it's been raining. jeff, the conditions are very

very difficult, and yet what we are seeing so far is nothing short of heroic. >> yeah, it's incredible to see what is happening and happening so fast. you know, we reported just a short while ago when we started that they might possibly have the first boy come out within the next hour or so. that was, you know, 9:00 our time. and they've exceeded those expectations, bringing out at least four, possibly six boys now to safety. they of course are going to get some medical treatment and we hope they have a speedy recovery, but it really speaks to the collaborative effort that we saw first-hand out there at the cave site, you know, different rescue teams coming in, volunteers standing by, just trying to help in any way they can to make sure this team and their coach get to safety. >> keep those reports coming for us. we will be following it in

real-time as you are. we are awaiting a press conference that may or may not be coming. >> it was supposed to happen a short time ago. it seems like based on the facts on the ground, that any press conference where they were going to update us may have been overtaken by the fact that this operation abby has gone a lot faster than even officials on the ground anticipated. >> a lot faster and a lot more hopeful than a lot of people were expecting. we want to bring lieutenant colonel, a fox news contributor, a retired delta force operator and 25 year army vet. thank you for being with us. we are all watching this unfold together. what is your initial reaction to what you are learning this morning as we all are? >> well, it's very exciting. i mean, you just said it a second ago, the operation is moving along very quickly. that's good for the young children -- it's good for the boys. it is good for the seals that are doing this. that means the environment is in a good place and they need to take advantage of that environment. that's why it is moving fast. but everyone's on the edge of their seat and it's -- we hope

everything works out. >> exactly, colonel, as someone who has planned highly complex risky operations as a commander yourself, does this lead you to believe that the commander of this operation is saying okay all the variables are as good as they are going to be, so let's press the operational tempo here. let's move a little bit more quickly. move a few boys. it is moving smoothly, while we've got the momentum, let's keep going. is that probably part of why the time line has moved more quickly than we thought it would? >> yeah, pete, you are dead-on. that commander there had some go, no go criteria, and in that criteria, environmental impacts are a key aspect of that, go no go criteria. those environmental impacts i assume, you know, they hit, and he made a decision let's go now. i would also say they are probably taking the strongest boys first who can swim, who picked up the scuba very quickly and got those moving because that then gives momentum and gives confidence to the other boys that are back there in the

cave who may not be as strong that will be coming out. >> that's why it is important to point out there are still six boys that are needing to be rescued, of course the soccer coach as well that took them on this hike. so as we continue to watch this and see how it plays out, how important is it to make sure the conditions stay right? it is now nighttime there. it's gotten dark. we don't know exactly what the weather looks like. do you keep this going? say it seems like it is working well, let's do it as quickly as we can, but do you take a pause and say let's take a break and start back in the morning? >> no, i would tell you, go with the momentum. just like a sporting event, if you have the momentum, stick with the momentum. but again, that commander has some set requirements and criteria that he's looked at and decided with his team. i guarantee you, all his members of his seal team there have given him some bottoms up

expectations and, you know, thoughts from them and put this plan all together. and if one of those, you know, environmental impacts starts to go away, then they will do a tactical pause and wait for it to hit again. >> colonel, how do you mitigate against complacency? you said the strongest kids probably the ones coming out first. you want to create momentum. you want the kids behind to be told hey they are already out, you can do it too. if that's the case, your riskiest kids are still yet to come. you are in a 2 1/2 mile cave, you know, with less oxygen than you may normally have when you are not under the water in oxygen tank. what do you do psychologically to deal with complacency? what do you do physically to make sure you are still at your best with that last kid as you were with the first kid? >> well, i guarantee you, those seals underneath and in the cave with the remaining boys and the coach, they are excited. they are their own team. they are their own coach. they are keeping them pumped up. they are telling them hey, your friends have made it out. they are good.

we're excited. they did fantastic. and right now everyone's heart's pumping. the momentum is going. so you've got to keep that. it is going to get everybody through it. >> what's the greatest challenge as we're still waiting for the last six boys and the coach? under these conditions, is it the climbing? is it the diving? is it the fact that you had these kids haven't eaten in weeks that are malnourished? as you are an expert in this and you have served this country for a number of years, what should we be most concerned about at this point? >> well, it's everything. everything you described. all these factors go into the planning. when they found them, they have tried to get the boys trained. they have given them food. they have prepped them. they've gotten them ready to go. then the environmental impacts hits, and the commander says let's go, it is time to roll. now it's like i said, keep the momentum, stick with your plan,

stay calm and i believe everything will work out. >> also the emotions. you think about these boys, they are 12 years old. not only do you have to help train them physically but emotionally get through this. i'm sure that's a big part of these navy seals, of these seals that are down there helping them, have to keep them pumped up and keep them going, and a moment they are halfway through and have a breakdown and say they can't keep going, isn't that so much a part of their job as it is the physical aspect? >> absolutely. but remember these are young athletes, they are young soccer players. they are used to being on the field. they are used to competing. that's good for the seals down there. but you know i have been on operations before. we've had, you know, folks we have taken out or experts that we have taken into an operation and we keep them up. we have someone assigned to them. it's their shadow that stays with them, coaches them, mentors them, and stays with them the whole way, all the way through the end of operation to

expatriation. >> what makes these men put their lives on the line for people they don't even know? >> vigilance, it's what we do. it is in your dna. whether you are an american seal, a thai seal, it is in our dna, these guys and women today just want to do it. they want to help people. and it's the vigilance they have to keep them going. >> how important is our role, the united states on the ground there in thailand? >> well, again, you know, we have worked with the thais for years. they have trained with us. i would not be surprised if we have advisors down there, you know, pushing them, equipment, anything they need to get this incident squared away and done. the american forces and pacific command with all the great navy guys that are over there will be helping them out if they can be. >> colonel, in this age of social media, i'm seeing a lot

of people really cheering on the u.s. military, the thai military, japanese, and australian officials as well helping with this operation. i'm seeing a lot of tweeting out not all superheroes wear capes, some wear wetsuits. others were saying while we've been focused many people around the world in recent days on the world cup, some are saying on-line, there's only one soccer team that is advancing and that we're pulling for today. >> yeah, i mean, that's a great point. i mean, i've been sitting here since 4:30 a.m. on the edge of my seat. you know, i watched the guys come out of the water and i feel like i'm there with them and excited and i'm pulling for them. it is just -- how can you not just sit there and watch and pray and make sure everything goes well and root for these guys? >> you can hear the pride in your voice having served yourself. you have to feel enormous pride that america is participating and not just participating but thriving here and really helping bring at least half of the boys

to safety so far. >> well, just when i said that, i got goosebumps just thinking about it. you know, you never lose that will to want to do this and want to help, and so for all the forces over there, and the boys, and everyone who is taking care of these young men, my hats off to you and keep pressing. >> yeah. colonel, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> we may come back to you as well. thanks for your expertise. >> thank you >> we're going to bring more information to all of you who are watching about the folks involved in this rescue. we're told all in told 18 divers, could be more at certain stations throughout the cave, 2 1/2 miles, we don't know. at least five are thai navy seals. 13 from foreign countries. we are hearing from the united states, australia, china, and the u.k. as we've noted a couple of times, a lot of contention in this world today. but you take stock every once in a while when countries can come together for a shared mission and this soccer team certainly is. we have been sharing this graphic all morning as well, gives you a sense of the

complexity. there is a dive line that they are following but that looks like clear water, but we know the water is murky. they can't see through it. and you're pulling along a scared child, but i do love what the colonel said, though, they are not just children, we think of them that way, of course they are kids. but if you are on a soccer team and you're an athlete, you can dig deep into what, you know, the ability to come together for a common cause, but again, imagine being under water in a cave as a 12-year-old being pulled by someone you've never met, breathing air that is not coming from open spaces. >> right. >> it is an amazing thing to think about. >> and they have each other; right? they have been there together for two weeks now. i mean, you rely on each other. you motivate each other to keep going, to give each other that hope you need. so different than being stranded there completely on your own. reminder of how important team work is and being in something together. not just these boys but as we have been talking about all morning the unification of the world right now coming together to help each other out. i mean we have had our experts

talk about navy seals from different parts of the world, the u.k., the united states, japan, australia, they all bring something different to the table, different strengths, different pieces of equipment that can help us get to what we're seeing happen right now. >> thinking about what those military officials along with that soccer coach have to be doing right now with the other six boys to keep them optimistic and hopeful >> sure. >> because they have seen their teammates leave them -- and they don't know whether or not they made it to safety. they are not getting the news reports that we're giving so they don't know what happened to their teammates perhaps unless the military comes back and tells them. and they are undoubtedly going to be hopeful and happy that their teammates made it safely but they are still not out of the woods. >> if we can put that cave complex back up, what we're piecing together from experts who know about caves, who know about scuba diving, who know about operations, you know, it is very likely it is not two scuba divers traversing the entire cave. they have divers throughout.

you can't communicate well because you can't see. radio waves can't traverse. you are under water. so likely there is a lot of hand and arm signals and on the dry spots when you are transferring kids, you're communicating the news. hopefully the kids are getting communicated hey so and so made it out of the cave. reiterated from divers all morning long, so much of it is mental and psychological. >> exactly. >> to get that positive news to the back of the cave or those throughout, fortifies them they can do it also. let's not spike the football. no one is. but it is such great news that these guys are out that we didn't know if one would be out all morning long. still only at the 50 yard line to put in an analogy us americans will understand. you still need to push it across the goal line. it is great to know the best of the best are in there doing that. >> it is just as emotional as it is physical. to know that your best buddy has survived this thing i think helps you get through it too. the president is watching this closely as well. and he tweets this this morning,

he says the u.s. is working very closely with the government of thailand to help get all of the children out of the cave and to safety. very brave and talented people. i think this is just a reminder to all of us, and we already knew this, but just how capable the people that serve this country are, and all over the world, and that you do step in when it comes to saving lives. you take everything aside, and you say we're in this together. we're going to give it everything we possibly can because it is about bringing those boys to safety. >> we now bring in our own correspondent jeff paul who has been reporting near the cave in thailand all morning for us. jeff, what are you seeing on the ground? i know this is a fast-moving story. anymore activity? >> fast moving story. 8:44 p.m. here local in thailand. we weren't expecting any sort of development or news for another 15 minutes at the top of the hour. so that really speaks to how fast this situation is moving along. it is pretty fluid as well. we are hearing reports that four have been rescued.

from other sources and other media outlets here locally, some are saying six. it's constantly changing. i think part of the reason why we're hearing different numbers is because of the area where this is happening in. it's a very rural area. hard to get to. pretty far away from any sort of city landscape. that's probably part of the reason too. and the fact that these boys are being transferred and they are also, you know, young boys, so they are probably trying to keep their families in the loop as much as possible. sort of keep their medical condition kind of tight to the vest, but locally here, this is the news everybody was waiting to hear about. i definitely get a sense that people won't be going to bed any time soon. we have a tv off to the side here with one of the local media stations on here in thailand and they are breaking into coverage. they are around the clock on this as well. >> yeah. >> jeff, again, we're reacting to what, you know, is being speculated about reporting. do you have any sense if the operational tempo is picking up?

are they pressing the momentum? any sense whether they will take a pause if they need to reposition people? do you know anything about the level of activity right now? >> it's kind of hard to tell because yesterday after they moved most of the media away, our communication with the rescue teams has sort of been cut off, but i think that kind of speaks to the fact that they needed to focus on getting these boys out and getting this coach out. and the thai governor for this province even said to us at the last update that the time has passed to wait around and wait for good conditions that they had to act now. definitely a sense of urgency. i can't tell whether or not they will stop for the evening. it seems like they have been working around the clock, though. >> yeah. >> all right. jeff paul great reporting on the ground there. thank you very much. we want to bring in our next guest. the reason this has been so difficult beyond just the way the cave is designed, rick, is the weather, and if anyone knows the monsoon season in southeast asia, the heavy rains, i mean, that is what is making this so so complicated. give us a sense of what we're

dealing with. >> that monsoon season starts in kind of early june. we're right at the beginning, goes through october. going in towards the latter days of june and that's where they had the rain. the rain when you hear monsoon season, it doesn't mean it rains all day but you get really localized big downpours so you can get really localized flooding along with that. this is just to the south of where that cave is, and this is the rain that they saw earlier in june. they have had, however, about a week dry stretch over the last number of days. however, rain is expected to pick back up, and i'm certain that's why they decided they needed to get in there right now. this is the last 24 hours satellite picture here and you can see right here all to the south of it, this here is the satellite picture showing where the heavier rain showers are, it hasn't been as bad right up there just to the north of the area. but you get the idea that the moisture is increasing in there, and the forecast shows heavier rain moving in across that area over the next couple of days. guys? >> great information, rick. tells you why they pressed now

as opposed to waiting for more rain that could be more dangerous. rick, thanks. >> we are getting new pictures in the last couple moments. one of them you can see one of the boys is behind those military officials who emerged from the cave. he is on that stretcher being taken to the hospital, one of the first images, remarkable image that we're getting as the boys are being rescued here in real-time. >> we see even head stabilization there, head first it appears on the stretcher. you have the two red portions stabilizing the neck. it doesn't mean anything happened to the neck, but what it does mean is they are taking every single precaution with these kids as they come out. malnourished, who knows what they encountered inside that cave. >> what they have been through the past two weeks. >> at least we have some verification of folks moving on to more medical help. >> absolutely. we want to bring in dr. james mitchell, a psychologist for the air force. doctor, we've been talking all morning long. of course the importance of the physical aspect here, but also just the emotional, the mental

that they are dealing with, we still have six players, young boys to get through, and the coach as well. how important is it to keep them going mentally? you are a psychologist. walk us through the training that these navy seals would have had to go through to help these young boys in this specific situation. >> i think how you react to people in extreme situations has a profound effect on how they respond to it. they are in a position right now where they could go either way. either they could leave the situation thinking they are somehow more susceptible or they can leave thinking i can survive anything. if i can survive this, i can survive anything. to the large extent, they will make their judgments on the way people around them react. so they are not american kids so it is a little harder for me to

interpret how they will respond. they are soccer players so if you treat them like they are not an egg, if you treat them like bad things happen to people, and we adapt, even though we are sometimes uncomfortable with it, we can survive it and it will make us stronger then that's what will happen to them for the most part. >> doctor, how much does the physical effect, the psychological, oxygen levels had dropped, the normal percentage of oxygen in the air is 21%, it was down to 15. we're hearing they may have piped some in. lack of oxygen, water, food, then the fear of the unknown, it is wet. it's cold likely. and the uncertainty. how much of the physical affects the mental? >> well, tremendously obviously; right? i mean at the core of the question that you are asking is, what keeps the brain going? >> yeah. >> well, oxygen, when you don't have enough oxygen -- it also depends to a large extent on the story that you tell yourself about why this is happening to

you. if you're experiencing the physiological effects of lack of food, lack of carbohydrates, lack of oxygen, and you tell yourself that something horrible is happening to your body, you have a very different emotional reaction to it than if you say this is a temporary thing that will pass when i get back into air, i can breathe and i get some decent food. so it does make you -- they should not be making the decisions about how they're rescued. they should be handed off through those sections because it looks to me from looking at a cross-section of the cave that there might be two or three flooded sections of that cave. they should be escorted and handed across and their judgments are not the ones that people should follow. >> yeah. doctor, before we let you go, we are seeing on our screen, the left there, one of those boys on a stretcher, one that was rescued out of this cave, you're probably the perfect person to ask this, the questions that you ask these boys or the signs that you look for, immediately after they are rescued from such a mission like this, after being

there for two weeks now, without food, what are the first signing that you look for -- what are the first signs that you look for to make sure they are okay? >> well, i think what you would do is you would see if they were oriented, if they knew who they were, and sort of the standard stuff you would do in any situation where a person might be suffering from some sort of mental shock. but beyond that, again, i think you need to focus on what is the story that they are telling themselves. what is the narrative that they are producing about this particular event? is it one that empowers them or one that turns them into a victim? the worst thing anyone can do is treat them like they are victims instead of treating them like they are capable young men who are able to respond to this thing and will bounce back and be more powerful. >> it is such a great reminder because sometimes they forget -- you say they have been in there for 16 days in the cave.

how did they get there? this is a soccer team out in a morale building exercise, they are walking into this cave, the rains come, we heard from rick it can come quickly, fast, very local, they didn't anticipate. as a result the water is rising. they flee into the cave. they could feel like the victim and say how could this happen to me? or it can also fortify you. how important was the coach's reaction in there? he obviously feels terrible about this, but an adult in that atmosphere sets the tone. >> i think what the adult has to do is say hey this is tough, but we can do it. we are going to survive this. we are not going to allow it to break us. what he has to do is look for some way to keep them occupied and give them stuff to do.

remember, they take the weakest person and give them a job. if you don't give them something to do, don't keep them occupied, that person can go down mentally. that's what you have to do. >> yeah, dr. james mitchell what an important perspective this morning as we are all watching this unfold together. thank you very much for joining us. and he makes such a good point, in the moment of treating these -- we call them boys, but you treat them like adults. you make them realize they can do this. they can handle anything; right? they have already been through so much over the past couple of weeks in there, but the way you talk to them, the way that you treat them, the way you build up their morale, that is such an important part of getting them to safety and getting them in a healthy way. >> people all around the world are responding to that resilience, particularly here in the united states as we have been covering this all morning, one of our viewers in oklahoma tweeted us this kind of stuff makes me proud to be an american.

we help people when they need help. and we are the greatest in the world. we will get all those boys out. >> absolutely. great point. >> hopeful message. >> it makes you think about your own kids, our own culture and are we fortifying our kids to be prepared -- no one could be prepared for this, you can't be, but to have the basic ingredients to fortify themselves to make it happen. thank goodness we have the best of the best in that cave working a plan. again, in case you are just joining us, we started the morning thinking it would only be one, now we're hearing six are out of the cave. we don't know if they are going to work through the night. some speculate they will. are they taking a tactical pause to get repositioned? we're not quite sure but continuing to get the latest information and we will bring it to you. we're bringing in dave sears, a former navy seal, on with us earlier in the program, your reaction to the most recent developments. this picture just released, one child on a stretcher moving to medical care as we see events unfold, what sticks out at you? >> it is obviously great. i think, you know, you asked the question are they going to work through the night?

i think absolutely. and you had jim reese on there earlier who was talking about this. you are going to press through and get as many out. you have a window of opportunity. every guy that you get out, every boy that you get out, you're learning new things also. so you're getting better as what you are doing. and you want to take advantage of the situation while it is in your favor. >> this is a reminder as a former navy seal what this country is all about and others that have stepped up in such a serious time. we step in. we don't ask questions. if there are lives we can save and a country we can help out, we step in and do that. isn't this just a highlight for everyone of what this country represents? >> it is, you are absolutely right. it is the highlight of what special operations represents around the world and what military represents around the world. i have worked with, you know, a lot of military from probably 35, 40 different countries around the world, and they are all kind of built from the same dna. you know, when it comes down to

it, it is all human beings, and they start -- you know, they bond together to do great and incredible things. >> absolutely. talk about what your sense is, and i know you are not on the ground. and so you can't -- you are not seeing all of the intel there picking up, but as pete suggested, there are varying reports about whether they are going to keep going or not. there are some reports saying that they may have to take a breather now, darkness has fallen in thailand. if they do have to take a pause and restart this tomorrow, how do you get that kind of momentum going again because that's obviously got to be very difficult as well. >> yeah, the people, the rescue workers are going to be exhausted, but it is the same -- i mean, think about it this way. if you go back to 9/11, did they take a pause? these guys see this as an emergency, life or death, which it is, to get these kids out. so it's dark in the cave anyway. it is dark under water.

so that's not going to affect them in the cave. that doesn't really matter. it is when you get them out. just get them out of that cave. i would say they are going to go 24/7 as long as the conditions are right. they look like they have enough divers to rotate through guys as they get exhausted. everybody's going to be coming out with different lessons learned and saying hey at this portion of the cave, you can climb better or do this to make it through quicker. so i would say as long as the conditions are right, they are going to keep pushing as much as they can. >> dave sears, such a good perspective this morning. thank you very much for joining us. we will all continue to watch this so closely. ed, you made a great point earlier, i think it was from someone that wrote you on twitter that we have all been watching the world cup from around the world, but the one team we will be cheering for today is that soccer team in thailand. it is these 12 boys and their soccer coach. six of them, four that we can report on, but there are other reports that six have been rescued to safety. we're still waiting for those other six, and of course their coach. this is what we will all be cheering for. we're in this together, not just

the united states but countries all around the world. >> we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. not all 12 are out. the coach isn't out yet. we want to take this step by step. i'm seeing many many people on social media saying if they can all get out safely, and we're all praying and hoping for that, once they have had medical care, they have been with their families, somebody should find a way to get all of them to the world cup finals. >> usually when we report breaking news, it is bad news. more numbers are bad numbers. in this case we got to report some breaking news at least thus far that more kids are coming out, more quickly than we thought. >> people have been wondering how they got stuck there in the cave at first. abby, we have some details. >> a quick time line of how the soccer team got stuck in that cave. on june 23rd, the 12 boys and their soccer coach went into the cave on a team trip. a flood later trapped them inside of that cave. >> on july 2nd, after weeks of searching, the boys were found alive. last night is when the rescue efforts finally got underway successfully carrying at least four of the boys out of the cave

this morning others suggesting are six are out. >> as many as eight more along with their coach still remain deep underground. crews need another 10 hours to prepare for the next operation. stay with the fox news channel for complete coverage all morning. >> thanks for being with us. >> good sunday morning. . we will get back to the breaking developments out of thailand in a minute. first president trump preparing for his historic supreme court announcement tomorrow night as he gets ready for what could be a tense meeting with nato leaders and a sit down next week with the russian president putin. plus the stage is set for yet another explosive hearing on capitol hill with the embattled fbi agent peter strzok who is set to testify publicly for the very first time. hello and good morning. i'm in for maria bartiromo. this is sunday morning futures. one day before president trump announcing his second supreme court nominee, and lawmakers are already raising concerns about