he will meet with the british prime minister may and queen elizabeth. tucker carlson is next. >> ♪ >> good evening. welcome to the tucker carlson show. i am filling in for tucker this evening. no matter who president trump picked for the supreme court the left would go beserk. as soon as good kavanaugh's nomination was announced, protestors competed to see who could be the most upset. >> [shouting].

>> to say no and to say yes to liberty and justice. >> are you ready to defend roe v. wade. what is is at stake is women's freedom! our freedom to make our own decisions. our freedom to decide how many children we will have. >> actor rob reiner tweeted. it's official. trump who is under investigation for obstruction of justice and u-co u-conn -- conspiring with an enemy to destroy democracy. john daniel davidson from the federalist joins us now. i appreciate you joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> we have all seen a lot of this outrage. it's not necessarily a surprise. being as a federalist, i guess

you are supposed to be evil. on the list you helped to create for the president with judicial nominees if godzilla and othersor that list. the hysteria over this is astounding. knowing the quality of all of the judges that you put on that list including judge gorsuch and now judge kavanaugh what is your take on the reaction? >> there is a canned qualitied to outrage we saw monday night. you saw that with all of the preparations beforehand. they were going to protest the nominee. it doesn't matter who it is. the reason is they don't have a problem with judge kavanaugh who has impeccable credentials. no one would argue he is not qualified for the job. they have a problem with the constitution. these are people on the left, the democratic leadership in the senate don't want an

originalist. they don't want someone who will rule according to what the law says. they want judges that will read new rights into the constitution as they have been doing for the past 4 years. the nominee is not the issue. it's the constitution. >> yes. there is an irony. they say president trump and his administration are conservatives and fascists. but they are nervous at the notion of a judicial nominee who take the constitution seriously. that's the thing that upsets them. that should send a warning signal to everyone across the board. obviously we are all able to enjoy our lives because of the nature of our founders and the constitution. fuc fucht -- if you want to call that conservative, i call it american. >> that's not what the left wants. they want an ever increasing

welfare state and government to control the lives of americans and force people to do things that they want people to do. from obamacare to the contraceptive mandates and forcing people to join labor unions. that's what the left would like to do. the constitution gets in their way. that's their real complaint here. the nominee is just a pretext. >> it always has been. president trump has done a good job ask the american people are seeing the benefit of a conservative point of view with policy. john, thanks for joining us. there is another point of view. that's coming forward here with richard goodstein, an attorney and was on both of hillary clinton's presidential campaigns. are you happy with the response to judge kavanaugh? >> brett kavanaugh is a smart guy. lovely family.

the story he told last night was moving. the woman who will have to go to a back room rather than a doctor for an abortion, the gay person that can't marry the person they love. the person with a pre-existing condition is scared to death they can't afford health shshs. they don't care how nice of a guy kavanaugh is. these are people's lives. you are talking about criminalization of a woman seeking an abortion. this is a meltdown only because this is destructive to people's lives. >> you admit he is a nice guy but describe somebody who sounds mean and evil. just wanting to focus on destroying -- my activism on the left started with abortion rights. i am a gay woman. i have an interest and i love this country.

it's the conservative ideal that reinforces personal freedom. we know judge kavanaugh said he has no interest in overturning roe v. wade. you are repeating this notion that people will die because of this dynamic. we have been hearing that for decades now when a republican appoints a supreme court justice. it hasn't happened, has it? >> well, the reason it hasn't because anthony kennedy for decades was on the supreme court. right? if we had somebody -- let me ask you now: how much money would you put down this minute that when there is a decision coming out of this supreme court with kavanaugh as a member that they will come out and reinforce or reaffirm roe v. wade? i think the odds are quite slim. >> what is interesting we have his history. we have his statements about what he intends. at this point, i think what we have seen for decades now.

the liberals and the democratic party and i used it with the national organization for women. it raises money and gets people out to vote. the question becomes: why aren't things real secure after 8 years of barack obama? what is the argument by liberalses that the sky is going to fall? shouldn't we be having better conversations in the 21st century with all of the work we have done? >> there were several 5-4 decisions that upheld gay rights and rights to abortion when justice kennedy was that swing vote. you know that as well as anybody. the fact he will be replaced by somebody -- look, tammy, i hope nobody in your audience don't take seriously what he said when he was up for confirmation to the court of appeals. he was bound by the supreme

court precedence. when he is a justice he is not. >> americans are tired of it being spun around like this. because of the drama of people wanting to win elections upon we want good policy. kennedy, the argument against him was the same. now he is the swing vote. when we are looking at this, we have generally balanced decisions and examples follow being the constitution. that's the other question. if you are a constitutionalist what is everyone on the left so afraid of someone following the constitution in a strict matter? >> being a strict constitutionalist means having results with your point of view. >> no. >> to the gay person who wants to marry somebody they love, to them, that was a right they had under liberty and the pursuit of

happiness. >> richard, a supreme court with liberals and conservatives, the nation found its way on that issue and will continue to do so. thanks for joining us. >> let's hope. >> we can guarantee that with the direction of the country now. we have seen what the conservative ideal really means. for analysis of trump's pick and the confirmation battle, we are joined by fox senior political analyst brit hume. thanks for joining us. the conversation is filled with politics. it's the drama. it's angst and another armageddon. what is your take on this remarkable reaction to a pretty good pick? >> it's remarkable. it's about what i anticipated because of the fear that the court's balance would be upset by this choice. let's just look at a couple of the issues. roe v. wade. if roe v. wade were reversed, it would not mean abortion would become illegal.

it would mean it would not be guarantees as a constitutional right. it would be up to 50 states to decide whether abortion in their state would be legal or not. i would not think that everyone would have to fear that the legislators across the country would decide that abortion should be illegal. if they did, it would be the democratic process deciding the issue. what are they afraid of? they are afraid because of the right to gay marriage and right to abortion have been created by the courts. they found them lurking in the constitutional unnoticed and established them as law. the fact is if these rights were to fall way the way side of constitutional rights it's up to the democratic processes to accept them or re-establish them or not. it seems that the idea that people will die and abortion will become illegal everywhere is hysterical does overstateed

to defeat this nominee. >> and isn't it a good argument when you are relying on the court which is what the left wants to do with the supreme court, you are risk if there is a change in power. if you have the population and go through the democratic process and the american people say in a uniformed way, yes, let's move in this direction, about abortion or gay rights, that's the security of what the founders wanted. the american people deciding who we were going to become and what we wanted. but creating law through the court or in this framework will always be more fragile. >> exactly. make no mistake about it. the republican majority is a bare majority now. campaigns against a particular nominee may find some force in a particular state where a critical senator may reside. these things can have an effect and can turn the tide.

i have seen it happen before. it may be unfair. it may be unreasonable. it may be grossly overstated. but make no mistake about this, this kind of thing can work. the defenders of this nominee will have to be on their toes to combat this stuff as extreme as it sounds to our ears tonight. >> chuck schumer said he would do everything possible to stop this nominee. seems unlikely, but this seems to be a level of mass hysteria and a dynamic fear that the left want to impart on people in elected office against families in certain cases. this is the kind of thing that makes a difference. judge kavanaugh choice seems to eliminate two from voting against. >> i would say this: if you are backing this judge, so far so good with them.

susan collins thought he was well qualified and experienced judge. she is withholding judgment as i think she probably should. as it lisa mccow. ski. these hearings are a tightrope walk. lots of things can happen. in 1987 robert bork was well qualified but he did not believe that in the constitution there was a right to privacy. it was invented by the court back in the 1960s. he disagreed. he was tarred as anti-privacy. it worked. he was defeated. so these kinds of things can happen. they are throwing a lot of balls up against the wall to see what might work. we will see. terry said last night that

kavanaugh nomination threatened lives of millions of americans. that's prepostor us. but you have to watch out for this stuff. sometimes it works. >> that's a very good point. thanks for joining us. we will continue our coverage of the kavanaugh nomination throughout the night. we will talk to a former clerk and law student of his as well. there is also a new york city councilman who was arrested last night protesting the nomination. take a look at this. >> [shouting]. >> but up next. president trump is headed to the u.k. and the u.s. embassy said americans in london should watch out for their safety. what is going on in britain? that's ahead. it's the ford summer sales event

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certainly, i think left winggroups from britain and europe will try to disrupt this visit. they won't succeed, but they william banting cause -- but they will cause a lot of traffic disruption. many on the left would like to see violence here. >> we know not just through prime minister thatcher's job and the left is throughout europe. they made inroads in england. the president must have friends there. you are friends with him. where is the support base for the president right now? >> yes, there are a lot of supporters of president trump here in the united kingdom. brexit supporters. president trump is a strong backer of brexit. he obviously in sovereignty and self-determination. he's been one of the biggest supporters on the world stage of

britain's exit from the european union. a lot of support for president trump from brexit backers and conservative mp's and the general public. seeing president trump as a strong supporter of britain leaving the european union. president trump is a strong advocate for the u.s. and u.k. relationship. he loves great britain and many people here in great britain believe in this relationship and believe the president's visit is important. >> one of my arguments is that the media has been misleading us about the depth of these divisions between americans in england. perhaps there is more support. for freedom and self-determination and an ends to the left controlling our lives and destroying it. that's a genuine human desire. i think the media is

misrepresenting things in this regard. the alliance in general. your prime minister is in trouble. we have seen issues regarding that and boris johnson. where does the alliance stand for him at this point? >> right. first the anglo-american special relationship is strong. the ties between london and washington. >> do you expect this trip to make it stronger? >> absolutely. tell strengthen the special relationship. i think certainly president trump will be bringing him a bold and optimistic vision for brexit and encourage britain to handle the negotiations with the european union with strength, resolve and convictions. the advice he will give to the british government will be very, very important. the right advice. this is a british government in turmoil. we have seen the resignation of

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>> disgraced fbi agents peter strzok and lisa page are schedule to testify to cong. page is supposed to testify behind closed doors tomorrow. there are reports that her testimony apparently hasn't been finalized. on thursday peter strzok will testify to the house judiciary does oversight committees. what might those house members and the country learn from that testimony? we have the woman who will likely have the answer. kim on the "wall street journal" editor board. it's a pleasure to talk to you. whenever you come up from my radio audience and on scoreboard, we like hear -- social media we like hearing a smart point of view. there is a lot coming up. peter strzok is key because he was leading both ironically and

strangely the hillary and trump investigations. this is the man who said he pledged to his girlfriend lisa they would stop trump. we are seeing a framework here. while it seems like it's two people, it's how far does this go? is this a larger framework? why was he so comfortable being so brazenly against trump? how is it that he heads these particular teams up? what do you think we can expect from his testimony? we will get any of those answers? >> this testimony is key. it's probably the most important testimony we will have had yet. the reason why is he was the lead investigator for both probes. that's important. if we are to take former fib director jim comey at his word, he was not involved with the day-to-day. peter strzok was making the hands on decisions out there. there will be a lot of questions for him. it will be interesting to see

what he says. also to see what he does not say. i expect very much for him at times to say he can't go into it. on-going investigation does classified information. see we will see how much tolerance for that the members have. or if he pleads the fifth. >> he did a private interview. didn't he have a number of fbi attorneys with him? he is moving through this framework clearly it seems with the support or protection of an entity. some call at this time swamp or otherwise. clearly the position they for, they are schooled in knowing how to not answer. is that what we can expect? how do we get information from people who don't want to give it to us? >> well, this is highly

concerning. because it does seem to than the fbi is sitting there right next to him nudging him to make sure he doesn't say anything they don't want him to say. look, this will be different in public testimony. he won't have that entire group around him. he will have a lot of congress deteriora deteriorate -- congressmen who can ask probing conditions. for instance, why did the fbi believe it was credible to launch an entire counter-intelligence investigation on the basis of hear say from an australia politician in a london bar? how much did he know about the dossier? he did interactions with the author christopher wray. -- christopher steele. he will get an opportunity to ask him questions about stuff we

don't know about. did they really only begin this investigation at the end of july or were they running informants before that point? if so, on what basis. a lot of information about the hillary clinton probe too. >> should he be worried. i know her testimony will be in private. should he be worried about lisa page's system. -- testimony. with 2 individuals you could play one against the other. do you think she'll become a liability or a problem for him? is that what some of the investigators are looking for? >> i think all of the upcoming testimony is a problem for each other. if you think about it. they had some of the main guys come in and testify. it was a deliberate decision by many of the committees to not have some of these central players, the absolute key witnesses come in until they had a chance to go over all the

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the supreme court. >> kavanaugh presented a polished all american front last night. what is the man who aspires to be a supreme court justice really like? y wool find out. -- we will find out. jennifer was a clerk under judge kavanaugh in 2006. and jd was a student of judge kavanaugh at yale law school. we have seen this tempt by carnival barkers to characterize judge kavanaugh as something he is not. jennifer, having clerked with him and you are a law professor now. lawyers are human beings also and complex individuals. what can you tell the audience about this man? >> he is very approachable and

good natured. an independent and fair minded judge. "usa today" wrote about him, on paper he may be the most qualified supreme court nominee in many decades. he approaches every case with an open mind and would keep doing that on the d.c. circuit. >> it's good to hear that. we hear that she is smart and nice. they can't deny those things. jd, from your experience, there will be such incredible pressure. these are human stories. it's about the human condition. you have nice people. he is smart. been through the ringer before. how do you expect this process to affect him? what do you expect when he gets on the supreme court, when i fully expect, do you think he will continue in this job he can never lose, his character will

sunday to -- will continue to shine through in that radar? >> absolutely. absolutely. he is a grounded person. he has a great relationship with his kids and family. he will go through the confirmation process knowing he has people supporting him and knowing his conviction are rooted in his deep intellect. i think he will do well in the confirmation hearing. he is a thoughtful and caring person. what jumps out at me with future justice kavanaugh is that he has this remarkable able to engage people at their level and persuade them. i took a paper to judge

kavanaugh. i was critical of a particular argument. he came back and said you have to be fair to the argument you are trying to criticize. you have to assume the best about the people that you are criticizing. he is the sort of person who will engage like that with fellow justices just like he did a lowly law student. >> jennifer, that's a great point. that's what society is dealing with. how we engage each other with people with whom we disagree. this man is being described as someone who embodies the desire for fairness. that's what justice really requires. is that for you as a professor, is that kind of conversation still had in law schools? is this something young people are hearing about the importance of being fair and civility in

the arguments? >> well, i think judge kavanaugh has that attribute in space shuttle discovery. in law schools we try to get students to look at both sides. to do that, we want a diversity of perspectives in law school does on the bench. one other point about judge kavanaugh and his ability to persuade and think through the arguments. i anticipate if he were on the court he would be a thought leader for decades to come. in 13 instances the supreme court adopted positions he took in his opinion on the lower court. i expect him to be a persuasive voice if the senate confirms him. >> there is a variety of people in the supreme court. a number of people are upset. whether it's ginsberg or

sotomayor, this kind of mind can bring these arguments together and help make the difference and get decisions that everyone can relate to and appreciate. that's the kind of person we need at this point. >> i think that's right. >> it's a brave thing to do. thank you both. a new york city councilman. he was arrested while protesting the nomination of judge kavanaugh. he joins us next up. >> [shouting]. wednesdays. at outback, they're for steak and beer. walkabout wednesdays are back! get a sirloin or chicken on the barbie, fries, and a draft beer or coca-cola all for just $9.99. hurry in! wednesdays are for outback. outback steakhouse. aussie rules.

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>> all right. we saw at the top of the hour. the nomination of judge kavanaugh to the supreme court fired up a new york city councilman. he protested the nomination outside of the trump tower and was arrested by new york police. >> [shouting]. >> councilman williams was released and joined us now. i did protests like that and was arrested a couple of times. kind of our work, right a lot of conversation andrews judge kavanaugh agree he is a smart man and a fair jurorist and

a nice guy. what is your problem with is this nomination? >> it seems to me there is an idealogy coming into the supreme court based on what everyone said, what he himself said and what the president said. i think the supreme court should be a place where people get their grievances heard and there is not a stacked deck that will harm them. >> if hillary clinton won, and she nominated barack obama for the supreme court would that have been a stacked deck if there were more liberals than conservatives? >> it depends on what we are talking about. talking about stripping away -- >> liberals versus conservatives. hillary would have appointed a liberal. that would have been the majority. would that be a stacked deck? >> i think it's good when some people have to be convinceed. >> it's imperative. >> we are moving forward.

there are some people like justice kennedy who can be convinced. i don't believe that kavanaugh is that type of person which makes him more dangerous. >> is it possible you are wrong? >> i am listening to what he himself said and what the president said that he wants to do. i am listening to what they say their intentions are. to reverse roe v. wade. >> that's incorrect. judge kavanaugh said a number of years ago that he has no intention of confronting it or changing. it he takes precedent seriously. >> the supreme court sets precedent. there is a great example when the supreme court has gone back on precedent. >> but you are arguing about one in particular. he spoke on that one in particular case that is roe v. wade. we have different conversations

with amy barrett was nominated last night. we have a statement about that particular law. >> no, he always said there is a case with the immigrants and a case where he thinks people should be able to discriminate against employees based on their reproductive choices. >> this is why, you are a politician. i am a critic. we are not judges. there is a legal framework. the supreme court is a different dynamic. looking at the nature of what americans expect in individual freedom. expecting little sisters of the poor to pay for abortions, that's a different argument than

religious freedom. that's what we want the judges to have debates about. within this, it's more, would you agree, it's more of your distrust of president trump and his decision making than judge kavanaugh? >> there is one thing. >> is it? could you be wrong about judge kavanaugh? >> i would pray to be wrong. based on everything i have seen from this president, the republicans and the democrats who are too cowardice to push forward. >> you may be wrong and i appreciate that. any distrust of president trump and you made it clear you don't like him. do you dismiss the nature of the positive impact economically on the african-american community with jobs and wages? lowest unemployment rate in history. those are things that matter to the community. i have to go. we could do this for an hour. >> activism gave us these rights and will help protect them.

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a hospital in bermuda. what? what happened? i got a little over-confident on a moped. even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401(k) so it set us back a little bit. sometimes you don't have a choice. but it doesn't mean you can't get back on track. great. yeah, great. i'd like to go back to bermuda. i hear it's nice. yeah, i'd like to see it. no judgment. just guidance. td ameritrade. >> you know the united states has been fighting in afghanistan for almost 17 years now. u.s. soldiers are still dying there including one this past weekend. the u.s. plans to stay in afghanistan indefinitely. that's likely because the war is going badly. two u.s. government reports from this year find that afghanistan's government controls less than two-thirds of the country populations. that total is declining. wall street jones is a republican representing north

carolina and tucker discussed the future of the afghan war with him. >> tucker: it doesn't sound by the numbers like we are succeeding there. do you agree with that? >> i do. as a matter of fact the former commander of the marine corps, joins me in my demand and hope of having a new debate on the future of afghanistan. he said afghanistan is a graveyard of empires and we are the next empire to have headstones that say usa because we will be financially broke wasting money in afghanistan. >> tucker: chuck is a great man and everyone who knows him thinks that. a wise person too. why hasn't there been a debate you? are not from the anti-war left. you are a conservative. why haven't more non-liberals

race thursday question publicly? >> i cannot answer that. few republicans joined me in my opposition to the leadership of the house. paul ryan to whom i have written numerous leaders asking for a debate on afghanistan. we have not had a policy debate on afghanistan since 2001. 17 years ago! kids are still getting killed. maybe not at the numbers they did at one time, but they are still getting killed. we wasted billions of dollars in afghanistan that we need to be spending here in america and taking care of our children and our veterans. >> tucker: congressman you know the response always is and i heard it myself: we can't leave because it will

become another hub for terror which it was in 2001. how do you respond to that? >> my response is we have concerns right there in honduras and that area of south america. and central america. why in the world do we think we will change it in afghanistan? the russians are coming back in. this is the wild west. nobody in the history of afghanistan has ever changed it. nobody! >> tucker: you make a very smart point. ms-13 is a greater threat to american citizens than the taliban. thanks for your brave stand. thanks for coming on. >> absolutely. thanks. i appreciate it. >> that's about it for us tonight. i want to thank all of you for tuning in and to tucker and his team. have you been great. tune in tomorrow when we will

have coverage of former fbi lawyer lisa page's testimony before congress. will congress get closer to the truth. that's tomorrow on tucker carlson. sean hannity is next. >> sean: great job. love seeing you there. welcome to "hannity." a big, huge no. huge no. huge show and judge kavanaugh is facing the fight of his life. despite his impressive credentials and experience, democrats and their friends on the left and the mainstream media. they have already ramped up all of their attacks. we will show the worst of the worst and explain why