i bet they did. most-watched, most trusted and most grateful you spend your evening with us. good night from washington, until tomorrow i'm shannon brea shannon bream. ♪ >> tammy: good evening everybody, i'm tammy bruce, welcome to tucker carlson's sho show, i'm filling in for tucker this evening. no matter who president trump picked for the supreme court of the left going to go berserk. the women's march sent out a statement declaring the opposition. as soon as judge brett cavanaug cavanaugh's nomination was announced last night, the floodgates opened. steps of the supreme court competing who could be the most upset. >> [chanting.

>> to say no to the supreme court and say yes to liberty and justice. if >> are you ready to defend roe vs. wade? >> what is at state? it's women's freedom, our freedom to make our own decisions, our freedom to decide how many children were supposed to have. >> >> tammy: it's official, -- johnhn daniel davidson is a senr correspondent at the federalist, he joined us now. i'll come to the program i appreciate you joining us. i'm sure we have all seen a lot of this outrage regularly, it's not necessarily a surprise. being at the federalist, i guess

you're supposed to be evil. i'm wondering on that list that you're supposed to help you create with judicial nominees, godzilla and mouth are on that list, the hysteria was seeing over this is pretty outstanding. knowing the quality of all the judges you put on that list including judge gore such an now judge kavanaugh, what does the nature of the reaction you're seeing? >> i think there's a canned quality to the outrage that we saw monday night and you saw that with all of the preparations before hand. these people are going to protest -- it doesn't matter who ite is. the reason for that is they don't have a problem with judge kavanaugh who has impeccable credentials and nobody would argue he's not qualified for thh job. they have a problem with the constitution. these are people on the left, democratic leadership in the

senate don't want on originalis originalist, they don't want someone who will rule strictly according to what the law says they want judges who will legislate from the bench and will read new rights into the constitution like they have been doing for the past 40ng years. the nominee is not the issue here, it's the constitution. >> tammy: there's an irony, they keep saying president trump and his a administration are conservative and fascist yet they are the ones who are nervous at the notion if a judicial nominee and judges who will literally take the constitution seriously, right? that's the thing that upsets them. that should send a warning signal to everyone across the board. we are all able to enjoy our lives because of the nature of the founders and our constitution and if you want to call it conservative, i call it american, that's all we really want from these judges, right? >> that's not what the left wants. they want an ever increasing welfare state, and ever increasing government apparatus

that can control the lives of americans and force people to lo things that they want people to do. from obamacare to the contraceptive mandates, to forcing people to join labor unions, that's what the left would like to do and of the constitution gets in their way. that's the real complaint here ended nominee is is just a pretext. >> tammy: it always has been, i think president trump has done a very good job in the american people are already seeing the benefit of ati conservative poit of view when it comes to policy. thanks for joining us tonight i appreciates it. there isis another point of view that's going to come forward with richard goodstein. he's an attorney and has advised both of hillary clinton's presidential campaigns. he joined just now. i guess you're pretty happy with the response to judge kavanaugh. >> he's a very smart guy, with a lovely family, that story he

told last night was veryto movi. the woman who is going to go to a back room rather than a doctor for an abortion, the person who can't marry the person that they love, scared to death they don't know how nice a guy brett kavanaugh is. they are definitely concerned, you could call it a melt down on the left, this is people's live lives. you're talking about criminalization that's what donald trump talked about on the campaign trail of a woman seeking an abortion. this is a meltdown only insofar as this is destructive to people's lives. >> tammy: this is what interesting, you admit he's a nice guy and yet you describe it somebody who sounds pretty mean and evil wanting to focus on destroying -- my activism on the left started with abortion rights. i'm a woman. i haveav an interest and i love this country.

as the conservative ideals which reinforces personal freedom. already we know justice -- judge kavanaugh says he has no interest in overturning roe vs. wade. you're repeating the notion that people are going to die because of this dynamic. we've been hearing that for decades whenever a republican appoints a supreme court justice and it hasn't happened, has it? >> the reason is because anthony kennedy for decades has been on the supreme court. let me ask you now, how much money would you be prepared to put down this minute when there is a decision coming out with kavanaugh at that they're going to come out and reinforce, reaffirm roe vs. wade? i think the odds of that are quite slim. >> tammy:e what's interesting is we have is history, we have his statements about what he intends. at this point i think what we've

seen for decades, our liberals the democratic party and i remember i used it when i was with a national organization with women? it raises money, it gets people out to vote it's about existential threats whereas the question becomes why aren't things really secure at this point after eight years of barack obama? why is the argument by liberals that everything in a moment to the ceiling is going to come down, the sky is going to fall? shouldn't we be having better conversations in the 21st century at this point with all the work we've done? >> there were several 5-4 decisions that upheld gay right gay rights, justice kennedy was that swing vote.e. you know that as well as anybody. the fact that he could be replaced by somebody -- i hope nobody in your audience doesn't take seriously when he was upper confirmation he was bound by supreme court precedent. when he's at just as he is not.

>> tammy: people are going to die because of this appointment, americans are tired of it being spun around like this because of the drama of people wanting to win elections. we want good policy. we know -- kennedy, the argument against him was the same and now vote.he swing when were looking at this we have generally balanced decisions. when you're following the constitution, that's the other question. if your constitutionalist, what is everyone on the left o so afraid of was someone who is going to follow the constitution in the strict manner? >> being a strict constitutionalist mean having results that comport with your point of view. let's not have this idea taken seriously. to the gay person who wants to marry someone they love, that was a right they had under liberty and the pursuit of

happiness. >> tammy: a supreme court with both liberals and conservatives, the nations hasay found its wayn that issue and will continue to do so. i think we can guarantee that with the direction of the countryy now. we've seen with the conservative ideal really means. for analysis of trump's pick in the coming confirmation battle, were joined by brit hume. thank you so much for joining u us. obviously the conversation is filledcs with politics, it's drama, it's angst, it's another armageddon. what's your take on this remarkable reaction? >> it is remarkable it is about what i anticipated because of b the fear that the courts balance would be upset by this choice. let's look at a couple of issues. if the roe vs. wade were reversed, it would not mean

abortion would be illegal, it would not be guaranteed as a constitutional right. be up to legislatures in the 50 states to decide whether it should be legal or w not. i wouldn't think that everyone would have to fear that all legislators across the country or even many of them would decide that abortion should be illegal. if they did it would be the democratic process deciding the issue, what are they afraid of? they are afraid because some of these rights, the right to gay marriage, the right to abortion, have been created by the courts. they have found them lurking in the constitution previously unnoticed and establish them as law. the fact is if these rights were to fall byay the wayside as constitutional rights it would then be up to the democratic process to either accept them, reestablish them, or not. it seems to me the idea that people are going to die because of this, that the abortion will become illegal everywhere is hysterical and overstated for

the purpose of defeating this nominee. >> tammy: it's a good argumentou as well when you are reliant on the courts which is what the left wants to do with the supreme court, you are at risk if there is a change in power. if you have the population, when you go to the democratic process and the american people say in a uniform way, let's move in this direction, let's do this. whether it's about abortion or gay rights, that's the security of what i think the founders wanted to. it's the american people coming together and decided who we were going to come in what we wanted. creating law through the court or this framework is always going to be much more fragile. >> exactly, make no mistake about it. the republican majority is a bare majority now and campaigns against a particular nominee may find some force in a particular state were a critical senator may reside and these things can have an effect and can turn the

tide. i've seen it happen s before. it may be unfair, it may be unreasonable, it may be grossly overstated but make no mistake about it, this thing can work and the defenders of this nominee are going to have to be on their toes to combat this sort of stuff as extreme as it may sound to our ears as we sit here. >> tammy: chuck schumer said he's going to do everything possible to stop this nominee. it seems somewhat unlikely but it seems to be a level of mass hysteria and a dynamic of fear that the left wants to impart upon people inn elected office, officeholders in general, threats against families we've seen in certain cases, this is the kind of thing that makes a difference. this kavanaugh choice it seems to eliminate murkowski and collins from being votes against. >> if you're backing this judge i would say so far, so good.

susan. collins said she thought he was a well qualified experienced judge but she is withholding judgment as i think she probably should as is lisa murkowski. these hearings are a tightrope walk, lots of things can happen. he has a voluminous record. people may be able to find things and seize upon them. in 1987, robert bork was an exceedingly well-qualified nominee and there was a campaign to portray him because he did not believe there existed in the constitution i an all-purpose right toth privacy. it was discovered and invented by the court back in the 1960s, he disagreed with that concept. he wasn't successfully tarred as anti-privacy and it worked and he was defeated. these kinds of things can happe happen. they're throwing a lot of balls up in the air against thef wall now to see what might work. we'll see, terry mcauliffe was saying last night that the

kavanaugh nomination threatens the lives of millions ofea americans. that's seemingly preposterous but you've got to watch out for this stuff, sometimes it works. >> tammy: excellent advice, thank you. we'll continue our coverage of the kavanaugh nomination throughout the night.th were also going to talk to a former clerk and former law student of his as well. there's also a new york city councilman coming up who was arrested last night protesting the nomination, take a look at this. [chanting] >> tammy: up next president trump is heading to the u.k. end of the u.s. embassy is saying americans in london should watch out for their safety, what is going on in britain? that's up ahead. hurry in! wednesdays are for outback.

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val gardner is the director of the margaret thatcher center for freedom at thee heritage foundation and what a fabulous thing to be a head of. >> it's great to be here. >> tammy: margaret thatcher of course our history reminds us of the importance of england, the importance of the british, ourfa family. what is going on there, we know prime minister may is in troubl trouble. why are americans having to be warned in london? give us background on what to expect? >> this is a fairly routine warning that the u.s. embassy gives in london with regard to potential large-scale protests. we've seen these warnings given for previous visits by u.s. presidents. having said that, it is sad that you are going to see some large-scale protests on the streets of london. some of those protests could be

violent. certainly i think left-wing groups from britain and all over europe will be trying to mobilize and disrupt this visit. they want to succeed in doing so but they will because a lot of traffic disruption and certainly authorities are on full alert tu try to prevent any outbreaks of violence on theic streets of london.. there are many on the left who would like see violence here. >> tammy: we know of course not just through prime minister thatcher's job, she was always under attack. we know the left is all throughout europe, they have made some inroads in england. the president must have some friends there, we know you're friends with him. where is the support base for the president, what does it look like right now? >> there are a lot of supporters of president trump in the united kingdom. especially brexit supporters. he's a very strong backer of exit, he believes in sovereignty and self-determination. he's been one of the biggest

supporters on the world stage of britain's exit from the european union. there's a lot of support from rex at backers among mps who are brexit supporters. also among the general public, those who support a brexit i think see in president trump a strong supporter of britain leaving the european union. also he is a very strong advocate for the u.s.-u.k. special relationship. he loves great britain, i thinkn there are many people in great britain who strongly believe in the special relationship and believe his visit is very important. >> tammy: one of my arguments has been the media has been deleting this about the death of the supposed divisions between americans who are in england, that in fact or perhaps there's a lot more support we've seen it sweep through europe. the desire for freedom, self-determination, for an end to the left controlling our lives and destroying it. that is a genuine human desire.

i think the media is misrepresenting things, when it comes to the alliance, your prime minister is in some trouble we've seen issues regarding that boris johnson, where does the alliance politically stand for him at this point? >> i would say the anglo-american special relationship is very strong -- >> tammy: you expect this trip to make it stronger? >> absolutely it will strengthen the specialte relationship. i think certainly president trump will be bringing with him a very bold optimistic vision, he will be encouraging britain to handle the negotiations with the european union with strength, resolve, and conviction. i do think the advice he will be giving to the british government will be very important, advice, the right advice. this iser a british government d some turmoil. we've seen the resignation of

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leading both the hillary and trump investigations. this is a man who pledged to his girlfriend they were going to stop trump. while it seems like it was two people, the big issue is how far does this go? is this a larger framework? why was he so comfortable being so brazenly against trump and how is it that he heads these particular teams up? what do you think we can expect from the testimony? >> this testimony is going to be key, it's arguably the most important testimony we have had yet. the reason why he was lead investigator for both of those probes, that's important because if we're to take a former fbi director jim comey at his word, he wasn't involved in the day-to-day. peter strzok is the guy who was making a hands-on position out there. there's going to be a lot of questions for him.

it will be interesting to see what he says, and interesting to see what he does not say. i would expect for him at times to say he can't go into an ongoing investigation, classified information, we will see how much tolerance the members have for that. just as interesting will be if he pleads the fifth and if he does, in relation to what questions? his legal counsel might have advised him he has professional or legal liability. >> tammy: didn't he have a number of fbi attorneys within? he is moving through this framework clearly it seems with the support or protection of an entity, some might call it the swamp or otherwise, clearly the position that they are in, they are schooled in knowing how to not answer. is this what can we expect what will be a slip up? how did we get information from people who don't want to give it to us?

>> this is highly concerning. it does seem to be the fbi sitting there right next to him to make sure he doesn't say anything they don't want him to say. this is going to be different than public testimony, he's not going to have that entire phalanx around him. he's going to have a lot of congressmen having the opportunity to ask probing and continuing questions not just on some of the framework we already know about -- for instance. why did the fbi believe it was credible to launch an entire counterintelligence investigation, which is a very big deal, on the basis of some hearsay from an australian politician about a third ranking trump aide who made a comment in a london bar? how much did he know about the dossier, did he have interactions with the dossiers author, christopher steele? were going to get an opportunity to ask him some questions about stuff we don't know about.

did they really only begin this investigation at the end of july or were they running informants before that? also a lot of information and questions about the hillary clinton probe too. >> tammy: i know her testimony will be in private but should he be worried about lisa page's testimony and what she's going to say? when you've got to two individuals that can be important to play one against the other. it can be reasonable to consider that considering her position was different from his. do you think she's going to become a liability or a problem for him and is that what some of the investigators are looking for? >> i think all of the upcoming testimony is problematic for each other. if you take a step back, they have had some of the main guys testify but it was a deliberate decision by many of the committees to not have some of the central players, the absolute key witnesses come in until they have had a chance to go over all of the documents and

obtain everything they wanted. basic investigative technique, you want to know what questions you need to ask because you might only get one shot or two. they've got a raft of witnesses now, devin nunes of the intelligence committee has sent over a list of dozens of names. these are central figures, state department and obama administration and we will see how many of their stories lineup. >> tammy: we've got a long way to go and this story is bigger than what's in front of us. thank you for joining us tonight, great job. what kind of person is brett kavanaugh? were going to find out, one of his clerks joins us next ♪

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>> he's approachable, good-natured, he's an independent fair-minded judge. "usa today" wrote about him yesterday on paper he may be the most qualified supreme court nominee in generations. he has one of the sharpest legal minds in the country. from working with him i can tell you he approaches every case with an open mind. i expect them to keep doing what he's doing for the past 12 years on the d.c. circuit. >> tammy: it's good to hear. we hear a uniform understanding about that he's smart, he's nice, from yourjd experience the is going to such incredible pressure. these are human stories about the human condition. you've got nice people, he is obviously smart he's been through the ringer a little bit before. how do you expect this process to affect him and what to expect once he does get on the supreme court which i t fully expect, do you think he will continue that he will never lose, do you think his character

will continue to shine through? >> i don't expect him to affect him a ton, he's already a grounded person. he cares about his family he has a great relationship with his kids, he's going to go through the confirmation process knowing he has people supporting him. knowing frankly his convictions are true and rooted in the brilliant intellect of his, i think he will do incredibly well in confirmation hearings. i think everyone will see what we have seen up close, incredibly thoughtful and caring person and that will shine hearings. the when he gets through on the bench he's going to be a shining star on the supreme court. it's an incredibly brilliant group of people. what jumps out at me with justice kavanaugh is he has a remarkable ability to engage with people at their level and to persuade them. i remember i took a paper to

judge kavanaugh, i was critical of their particular argument. he came back toam me and he said you'vee got to be fair to the argument you were trying to criticize. you've got to assume the best about the people that you're criticizing and he's the sort of person that is going to engage like that with his fellow justices. >> tammy: that's a great point, that's what society is dealing with right now as well. how we engage each other, with people who we disagree. here is a man who is being described by many as someone who embodies that the desire for fairness which is what justice really requires. if were going to genuinely have justice, is that kind of conversation still had in law school? is this something that young people are hearing about the importance of being fair, civility and theta arguments? or are we losing that generationally do you think?

>> i agree with j.d. that judge kavanaugh has that attribute in spades. in law schools we are doing our best to try to keep students in the tradition of thinking through issuess and looking at both sides. i think in order to do that we want to have a diversity of perspective in law school, and just one other point about judge kavanaugh and what j.d. was saying about his ability to persuade and think through arguments. i anticipate he would continue to be a thought leader for decades too come. in 13 instances the supreme court has already adopted positions he has taken in his positions on the lower court. he's collegial with his colleagues, i expect him to be a persuasive voice if the senate confirms him. >> tammy: there are a variety of people, it seems no matter who they are whether it's justice ginsburg or justice sonia sotomayor or or roberts,

he can help make a difference and get decisions that everyone at least i think can relate to. that's the kind of person we need p for scotus at this point. it's a brave thing to do, thank goodness he's one of them and thank you so much for giving this perspective, i appreciate it. a new york city councilman we have just spoken about some dignity issues here, but he was arrested whileth protesting the nomination of judge kavanaugh. that councilman joins us next u up. [chanting]

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♪ >> tammy: as we saw at the top of the hour the nomination of judge kavanaugh has left a fired up new york city councilman -- a protest of the nomination outside trump tower last night. he was actually arrested by new york police. [chanting] [chanting] >> tammy: councilman williams was later released and he joins us now. thanks for joining me, i love the exchanges you have with tucker so it's a pleasure to meet you. i used to do protests like that, i have been arrested a couple of times and this is our work. a lot of conversation has surrounded the nomination of judge kavanaugh agree that he's a smart man, a fair jurist, a nice guy, what exactly is your

problem with the nomination? >> it seems to me there's a predominant ideology that's coming into the supreme court based on what everyone has said, what he himself has said. the supreme court should be a place where people can go and feel they are getting their grievances heard, not that there's a stacked deck of ideology that's going to harm them. >> tammy: if hillary clinton had won and she had nominated eric holder or barack obama, with that have been a stacked deck if there were more liberals and conservatives? >> it depends what were talking about, if were talking about stripping away -- >> tammy: just a basic question of ideology, liberalism versus conservatism. if hillary had won she would have a a liberal. that's not ideology, that would've been a majority. >> i think it's good when some people have to be convinced. i think it's good, it seems to me were moving forward.

there's some people who can be like justice kennedy who can be convinced. i don't believe he is that type of person, i think that makes him more dangerous. one is it possible you're wrong? >> i'm listening to what he himself has said, i'm listening to what they say their intentions are. their intentions are to reverse roe v. wade. >> already, he said a number of years ago that it's a subtle law, he has no intention of confronting it, he takes precedent very seriously. >> the supreme court sets precedent. there is great example of when the supreme court has gone back on precedent. >> tammy: you're arguing here on one in particular and he has spoken on that particular case that is roe vs. wade. we would have a different

conversation if it was amy barrett who was nominated last night. this judge is not in that position we do have a statement about his attitude about that particular law. >> he's also said, there is a case with the undocumented immigrant they refused to let them have an abortion. there is a case where he thinks people should be able to discriminate against employees based on reproductive decisions that they made. he wants to get rid of gun safety laws. we have a whole history. >> tammy: you're very good when you're talking about employees, little sisters of the poor the issue of religious freedom. you're a politician, i'm a critic. were not judges. there's a legal framework and it's a very different dynamic. looking at what the nature of what americans expect within their individual freedoms. if you're talking about expecting little sisters of the poor too pay for abortions that becomes a very different argument when it comes to

religious freedom. i think that's what we want judges to have those debates about. i think it's more -- would you agree, it's more of your distrust of president trump in his decision-making then judge kavanaugh? you also have an answer to another question of mine, could be wrong? >> i would pray to be wrong but based on everything i've seen fromom this president, the republicans and the democrats who have been too cowardly to push forward and what this judge history says including so you should be able to discriminate. >> tammy: within your distrust of president trump, do dismiss the positive impact economically on the african-american community when it comes to jobs andym wages, the lowest unemployment rate in history. those are things that matter in the community. i've got to go, we could do this for an hour, -- >> activism gave us these rates and activism will help protect

them. >> tammy: we agree and not absolutely. tucker ison back after the brea, the war in afghanistan has gone on so long that people who have borne after the beginning will be able to fight in it. tucker wants to talk to it congressman about america's longest were coming up next. i've been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. i bet i'm the first blade maker you've ever met. there's a lot of innovation that goes into making our thinnest longest lasting blades on the market.

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representing north carolina, tucker recently discussed the future of the afghan war with .im >> tucker: it doesn't sound like were. succeeding, do you agree with that? >> tucker: the former marine corps the who was the 34th commandant of the marine corps joined me in my demand and hope of having a new debate on the future of afghanistan. he has said it's the graveyard of empires and where thear next empire that will have headstones that say usa because we will be financially broke from afghanistan. >> tucker: i should say he's a great man and everyone who knows him, thinks that. if you're not from the antiwar left, why haven't more

nonliberals raised this question publicly? >> i cannot answer. there are few republicans that have joined me in my opposition to the leadership of the house. paul ryan, we have written numerous letters that i have myself, and other members asking for a policy debate on the future of afghanistan. to this day, we have not had a debate on afghanistan, a policy debate since 2001. kids still are getting killed may be not at the numbers that they did at one time but they still get killed. we waste billions of dollars in afghanistan thatn we need to be spending here in america and take care of our children and our veterans. speak to you know the response to that always is and i've heard it myself when i've asked those

questions, we can't leave becaut will become another hub for terror which it was in 2001, how do you respond to that? >> my responses we have those concerns right there in hondura honduras. that area of south america and central america, why in the world we think were going to change in afghanistan? the russians are coming back in. this is the wild west and nobody in the history of afghanistan has ever changed it, nobody. >> tucker: you make a smart point, ms-13 is a much greater threat than the taliban at this point. thank you for your brave stand and i know it's partly on behalf of the many marines in your district, thanks a lot for coming on. >> thank you, i appreciate it. >> tammy: that's about it for us tonight, i want to thank all of you for turning in and to tucker and his entire team,

you'll be great. tune in tomorrow, we'll have coverage of former fbi director lisa page's testimony before congress, will congress get any closer to the truth about what has happened in the fbi these past three years? that is coming up tomorrow on a "tucker carlson tonight" ." good night from new york. >> sean: welcome to hannity. first, judge brett kavanaugh is now about to fight of his and his family's life. last night the president of the united states nominated him to the highest court of the land, despite his impressive credentials, one of the toughest federal courts in america predictably democrats. the mainstream media, we have already ramped up all of their attacks. it will show you the worst of the worst