review? >> sandra: we got a different version of bill hemmer today. >> bill: i think that i am pretty consistent every day. no? maybe a little wacky. >> sandra: aggressive today. all right, join us again tomorrow. >> harris: fox news alert, president trump is saying that he believes u.s. intelligence findings that russia did metal in the u.s. election and that he told vladimir putin and holding him responsible. he lay down the law with putin and he believes that russia is trying to interfere. but he did not say in the interview whether the russian president is lying. this is "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner. here today melissa francis, and host of "the intelligence report" trish reagan. executive residence and former ohio democratic state senator capri cafaro, and former

press secretary under george w. bush and fox news contributor ari fleischer is here, a busy man these days, great to have you in the center seat. you are outnumbered. how does it feel? >> ari: i love it, bring it on. >> harris: let's get to the news. president trump making new comments on russia, believing that he believes that russia tried to interfere in the election. watch. >> you say that you agree with u.s. intelligence that russia meddled in 2016. >> i have said that before. i have said that times before. and i would say that to that is true, yes. >> you have not condemned putin specifically, do you hold him personally responsible? >> i would, he is in charge of the country, just like i consider myself responsible for things that happen in this country. >> if you believe the agency's, is putin lying to you? >> i don't want to get into whether or not he is lying. >> harris: reporting the president trump was briefed two

weeks before his inauguration with highly classified material showing putin personally order meddling. meanwhile the president says that he accepts the conclusion that russia is still trying to interfere. and as he made it clear to putin, it is unacceptable. >> we cannot have meddling, we cannot have any -- i let him know that we cannot have this. we are not going to have it. and that is the way that it is going to be. >> they said that the threat is ongoing, do you believe that? >> he is an expert, this is what he does. he has been doing a very good job. i have tremendous faith in dan coats, if he says that. i would accept that. i will tell you, it better not be. it better not be. >> harris: that comment coming after some confusion out of the cabinet meeting yesterday when the president appeared to say "no" to a question of whether russia was still trying to metal, sarah sanders says that amid all of the back and forth, he was saying no to taking more

questions. democrats are not taking his word for it, watch. >> he changes his mind every other day, he restates the obvious every other day and models it every time. dan coats, former republican senator from indiana said clearly twice within the last week that we have a blinking red light. the russians and perhaps others are doing everything they can to undermine this election. because the president and this administration are in complete denial, they are refusing to take the steps necessary to fortify our election system despite this. but the effort by others to make an attack on voters. >> harris: you know, the messaging component of all of this is tricky for the white house. it is day three, and the president has gotten on board with everything that the democrats and other critics are saying that he needed to say. so what needs to happen next. >> ari: the worst question that limb back lingers as a

substance problem, and that is that the president did not handle the news conference right from a substantive attempt point of view. now he has a communications problem that has lingered. i do not know why it has to be so hard. i do not know why president trump will have a news conference with president putin and not simply say to president putin on camera, do not mess with america's elections, he should have done that. he has done it with angela merkel and theresa may, he could have and should have done it to president putin was saying that there are things that we could work on. if he did that, everything would be so different. >> harris: trish. >> trish: it was a layup, it was easy. all he had to say was, yes, i'm not going allow it to happen. anybody that wants to mess, we will come after you. that was an easy question to answer. he missed that opportunity, and now we are looking at the fallout. and it just gives the left ammunition. they are running as hard as they can with it. you will know that, capri. they are calling for

impeachments, treason, they were calling for impeachments anyway. now they have something that they have to be careful with. >> capri: they can hang their hat on it. he should not give them the ammunition. >> melissa: we need to be careful for this reason, there is an underlying concern, but we go too far, we lose credibility about dialogue, so let's take collusion out of it for a moment. let's take what does putin have on trump and the salacious stuff out of it. the real question that i have is why this instinct would make inconsistency? why is there tough talk at the g7 and then going to shake hands with north korea? >> melissa: this is how he wants to deal with the problem, that is why he will not apologize properly or whatever it is that everybody wants to do. he goes back on it, because he does not want to be forced into dealing with it this way. i'm not saying that he is right. but i think what is making people scratch their heads, democrats and republicans, and

media outlets, why is -- people like the tough talk donald trump, and you have done it with nato and theresa may, and the gola merkel, justin trudeau, but somehow you are willing to play a little bit more soft with kim jong un and vladimir putin, is that because he is trying to do the opposite of previous administration? so i think that there is a conversation that needs to be had, obviously it looks bad as far as it looks like particularly in the context of the conversation. >> melissa: but it is that simple, he wants to flip the script. >> harris: you cannot be completely consistent across the board, because they are all different. >> melissa: if you are going to be hard on people, you need to be hard on people. >> harris: the summit, the most recent one with russia was a success, he says except with the real enemy of the people, the fake news media. i look forward to our second meeting so that we can start

implementing some of the many things discussed including stopping terrorism, security for israel, and nuclear proliferation, trade, ukraine, peace, middle east, north korea and more. there are many answers, some easy and some hard to these problems, but they can all be solved. that in a tweet from the president of the united states this morning. >> ari: and the president is right about a lot of that. i wish that he could have more attention focused on that. the reason that he is not as he created the controversy with president putin. this is a lesson per presidents when you say what needs to be said, people focus on your secod sentence, but if it does not go, that is what they focus on. i'm glad that he corrected it. it is the right thing to do. it shows going forward that he knows he misstated what happened with russia and their interference needs to be toughe tougher. but his part about putin and responsibility, he said that putin has responsibility because he is the president of the

country. no, he has a responsibility because he directed the attack. it is not a passive issue because you are president. people underneath you did something, that's what america needs to recognize about putin, why he is a danger to both political parties and our natio nation. >> trish: but i think that this is a president who was flipping the script and literally everything that they did from president obama's love affair with the media, he is going in the opposite direction and creating fake news media. president obama embrace the g7, they are best friends in the whole wide world, he is doing exactly the opposite. if you go down the list for better or for worse, and i'm not saying that this is the right way to go, i'm just saying that he is literally doing the opposite in every situation of the person that came before him, president obama drew the redline, then he let the other guy across it, everywhere you g go. >> capri: and also generally speaking on what we have relied upon in a post-world war ii, 20th century alliance that has

kept the peace and stability globally, there has been this order that you know, i think the west adheres to, and all of the site and the globe is changing, and the united states is now reacting differently. only time will tell whether or not -- >> harris: i want to jump in on the point of what we don't know, on capitol hill or here in america, this feels similar to me, the moments after the deal was signed with iran, and we were looking at the fact that there were all of those side deals. republican said that it would be different, that there will be transparency, so should the american public know more about the meeting that took place, no matter how you get to that information? does a president need to tell us details? because right now we are getting them plum vladimir putin? >> ari: yes, but it does not bother me. >> harris: and he lies to vladimir putin. >> ari: but it is important

that he has a one-on-one with vladimir putin and the translators, they need to get to know each other. george bush had one on ones with vladimir putin. >> harris: but what do you make up for it when they say syria and meetings were made? >> ari: the appropriate thing is to build on what took place in the meeting. and i expect that secretary of state can and will do that. >> harris: you don't want to hear from the president? >> ari: it would be fine for him to do it as well, but that should be routine and normal. there is nothing to be alarmed about that president trump met one-on-one with vladimir putin. we need to know what they said, that is helpful, but presidents have a right to one-on-one meetings with foreign heads of state. >> melissa: senate democrats are making a big push to hear from the only person in the room with president trump and president putin at that private meeting. they want the interpreter to testify before the senate foreign relations committee, but republicans are fighting it,

they say doing so would set a dangerous precedent. in the meantime on the house side, the top democrats on the intelligence committee adam shift along with eric swalwell asked the committee to subpoena for a closed hearing. republicans voted that down, telling bill hemmer why it is so important for lawmakers to hear what happened in that meeting. listen. >> he has priors, i was the prosecutor. so this individual has priors, he has had russians in the oval office before, and the security secrets to them, now that we are learning that he expressed a willingness to turn over u.s. ambassador to the russians, there are a lot of questions of whether any secret deals were made with vladimir putin or whether any security is at risk that we should know about. >> melissa: listen to what lindsey graham said if he was asked if the interpreter should testify. >> absolutely not, that will be the last senate meeting

privately, and i can tell you that there may be times when we need to do that. i cannot imagine how that would affect the precedent in terms of their ability with foreign leaders. >> melissa: this hunt to talk to the interpreter and nancy pelosi standing there and asking what does putin have on trump? it reminds me of when we had the folks over at cnn looking into the camera saying is the president to mentally ill? is he unfit? it's like when you take it that far, you undermine your credibility. >> trish: i've said this before, this is why putin is getting exactly what he wanted. because here we are, not trusting the person that we elected to the oval office. we do not trust him, so then we have to have the translator then provide information on what happened? this is crazy. this is bizarre, and lindsey graham is absolutely right. what foreign leaders are going

to sit down with the president united states one-on-one for an off record conversation and said that it would not be off record. >> harris: we had a problem early in the presidency with all of the elites of the phone calls at the president was having with the world leaders. but this is why specifically i ask you about the president in this instance given all that is happened in the last few days, he can flip the switch loudly and say, you know what's, i'm going to give you the notes to the american people, nobody has to interpret anything and nobody has to sit down, let me tell you about what came out, and he is either lying or he is not, but do not listen to him, listen to me, i am the person that you elected. >> ari: this is a normal matter of business, they have the responsibility to tell people what they are up to you in private meeting. that is a presidential prerogative. but this idea of subpoena of the translator is pernicious. i spent 15 years on capitol hil capitol hill. and this is an executive function. if you do not like who the

president meets with, elect a different president. the president of the united states, the office of the presidency has that right. congress may not take that right away from us. you do not use state department translators to prove your political points or to make your political points. if you have a problem, win and election. >> capri: i'm really torn on the issue, but i think in balance, we have to be very, very careful for all of the reasons that you stated. and in order to get rid of the problem, the reason they are going after the translator, because harris, as you said earlier that we are getting the information from russia. >> harris: the kgb is named putin. >> capri: who i referred to as a bond felon, out of a "james bond" movie. but would you be able to solve the problem if it is someone that to the american public presents without posing anything that is top secret, some basic information so that we can put the stuff aside --

>> ari: if i am the white house i have john bolton do a background with the press about what took place. presumably that the president downloaded the national security advisor that should fill in the press. >> melissa: in a normal world, that would solve the problem, but this is not a normal world anymore. i know that everybody does not forget, this is exactly what the russians wanted to do and they have succeeded wildly. >> harris: can i ask you, melissa, what you see the current problem is, i will take some grief about calling the president a talented communicator, he can be when he wants to be. he definitely can. i'm surprised that it took three days to say the same thing that you might not think that he had to say. but we will see how long it is on the front pages still. but what is a problem truly? is it to keep democrats and the critics at bay? is it to try to quiet some of the nonsense that is coming out of putin's mouth? what is the goal now in terms of moving this forward? >> melissa: just getting past it, i guess. i do not think that the president, i really believe that

he wants to deal with vladimir putin the way that he wants to deal with it and he feels like he is being dictated to that he is supposed to call them out in front of everyone. he does not want to do it and he is oppositional. the more that you push, the more that he does not want to do it. so he is giving in, but not really. it is interesting to watch, but lawmakers facing off over immigration, the house passing a resolution supporting i.c.e., but democrats calling it a political stunt. how will this all play out with the midterms looming? and her cosenators looking for the bipartisan votes today, backing intelligence agency findings on russia's 2016 election meddling. amid the fallout of president trump summit with president putin. lawmakers making the right move or is politics spouting all of this? we will debate. ♪

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more than 130 130 democrats vod president which is like not voting at all. steve scully's slim democrats who refuse to support the measure. watch this. >> last year i.c.e. agents rescued or identified 518 victims of human trafficking. what if those i.c.e. agents would have voted "present" instead of rescuing those victims. luckily, mr. speaker, they did not, they showed up and did their job to keep america safe. >> melissa: calling the vote "a political stunt" that affect i.c.e. >> did nothing to prevent a separation from babies with their mothers. >> the legislation is tickling while rome is burning. >> melissa: let's jump over, john kennedy introduced a similar situation. kemal harris blocked it from the floor. today president trump tweeted

the two biggest opponents of i.c.e. in america are the democratic party and ms-13. meanwhile the democrats rising star, new york congressional candidate cortez is calling on abolish i.c.e. activists to ramp up the protesting. >> we have to occupy all of it. we need to occupy every airport, every border, we need to occupy every office until those kids are back with their parents, period. >> harris: looks like she has a working definition better of occupation after that debacle. so abolish i.c.e., putting together a resolution, during democrats to vote against it, and they did. >> ari: if you want to get rid of the wave, this is the issue, they are showing you historical weakness in the previous elections where they are soft on law enforcement matters, this is showing up here too. they are the police. they enforce our nation's laws at the border.

and to abolish them, this is a terrible mistake by the democrats, the occupy wall street win of the democrats has too big a foothold in the democratic party. this is what this sounds like. >> melissa: before we move onto the rest of the couch, do you acknowledge that some democrats have said, do you acknowledge that there are some things that we can do better with i.c.e. and working within the confines of what we have? only around since 2003, it is a new agency. >> ari: we need comprehensive immigration reform settled into law. so that they know what the standards are. if the law state that you cannot be in america illegally, it is appropriate for them to remove people that are not here legall legally. >> harris: diane black, capri, pushing motion to make it a fennel win felony to cross over illegally, that might give more teeth to what the i.c.e. officers will be doing. >> capri: the interesting thing is we talk about catch and release, for example, it is my

recollection that the catch and release issue was from a supreme court case in 2001 that said that you cannot do do to attain people that have crossed across the border. in 2014, that's when obama tried to provide some guidance, there is no question that we need comprehensive immigration reform, abolishing i.c.e. will not remove policy, that is ludicrous. i think that if you rewind back to when i think it was marco rubio and john mccain were talking a little bit about going to the back of the line, pay a fine, earn your citizenship, pay your taxes, et cetera, and i always suggest, you have to stop the demand, which no one is talking about. if employers were actually fine, because what is happening is that they are employing individuals because they do not want to withhold or pay security, if you want to help, make the security and medicare more solvent, you find those people tend time or, the medicare and social security holding and watch the demand go

down. >> harris: you just made a friend out of melissa francis. >> melissa: you force everybody to verify their employees and then and then all of a sudden it takes away the economic incentive to come here, why is that not to more of a winning issue? >> trish: that's what diane black is trying to do with her proposal, so it is illegal for you to be here, it would be an actual crime, if you are here illegally, felony, and she would require that every single employer actually verify that their employee is here illegally, so i think that it is a smart approach, it is a way to go, but as far as the democrats and what they are trying, this is continually getting away from the values that actually matter to everyday americans. and then you are thinking, oh, what it meant to be great? ten, 11, million of people, but

who do they think it's actually going to vote for the abolishing of i.c.e.? >> ari: i am the son of immigrants, and the vulnerability of the democrats on this issue is that they are now too many of them unable to make a moral distinction between people legally and illegally, too many democrats believe that anybody wants to come here, it is immoral to not let them come here. and they should come anyway they can. >> melissa: what is the pushback on e-verify? i mean, who is it? because it seems so logical and pretty easy, it is very straightforward, if there is a problem. >> ari: the pushback is every one of the sensible measures, nobody wants to give up anything unless you get everything. that's why comprehensive it is so hard, that's why everybody needs to realize nothing will happen unless you all pitch in and make compromises. that's where immigration has to come in.

>> harris: we will move on, amid the continuing fallout from the helsinki summit, trying to post a -- force a vote on the russian interference. the call to arms from a key senator as all signs pointed to russian cyber attacks. how prepared are we? there is an alarming new report on the issue. stay close. ♪ having mplaque psoriasise is not always easy. it's a long-distance run.

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♪ >> melissa: two senators on opposite sides of the aisle say that they will try to force a vote on their resolution. backing the intelligence community finding that russia interviewed in the 2016 election. and commanding the doj for bringing charges against a dozen russian intelligence officers. jeff flake, democrat chris introducing the bipartisan

resolution yesterday amid the fallout from president trump's comment after his helsinki summit. but it is not clear if the vote will happen. all of this lindsey graham says he wants leaders mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer to put a stop to the partisan sniping and put team america on the field. listen. >> mitch mcconnell, i said, listen. let's get team america on the field here. i talked to dan coats today, there are a lot of ideas that he has about the infrastructure between the two. and we should get the entire government approach, go to the as professionals, not politicians and tell us what you think we need to do with anything legislative leaked that we can protect the 2018 election. >> melissa: i assume that they were already doing that. but for his part, mcconnell says that he is asking the chair at banking and foreign relations to hold hearings on ways to punish russia for about action. in the meantime, politico survey shows that the states are doing

virtually zilch on election security before the midterm. despite having federal funds to do so. that in a nutshell is the exact problem with government. they already have the money, they are fighting with each other and making each other look bad. meanwhile no one has done anything about a problem that clearly exist. how is this possible? >> ari: i'm not as far as i would go to say that they are not doing anything. that is the political story. they have had things to talk about integrity, and they do take it seriously, working on confidence and their meeting. whether they are not changes shows how difficult all of this is dealing with private contractors, difficult technology issues. but make no mistake, russia is lurking. if russia was continue to do this it would pull division among the american people. that is why what the senate needs to do here, the more signals they sent a russia that we take this seriously, we will

punish you and sanction you. i am for it. >> melissa: we are hearing right to know that -- i cannot get it up yet, i will tell you in one second. >> harris: i will help out here. >> melissa: trish, let me get your reaction in the meantime. emotions running high on capitol hill about all of this discussion, check out last night. >> surely we can rise above pandering to a party and putin, tagged on behalf of our freedom and our security! you have the opportunity to do that today, do so. a vote "yes" on this amendment for your country! >> melissa: go ahead, you have the breaking news update. >> harris: democrats trying to push a plan to defluff election

security, meanwhile the house rejected an effort by democrats to make in order, a plan offered by mike quigley of illinois, a democrat to add $380 million additional for election security. but republicans rejected the effort. then rising to chant "usa, usa, usa." it is getting raucous up in there. what do you make of that? >> ari: i don't know what that was, have yet to see it as congress does these things, was it an order or something they should have been doing at the time? but what bothers me about all of this is when people are posturing instead of solving. and that's what you get the feeling. >> harris: preach it! >> ari: who knows if that is a right or a wrong number, the senate is trying to have hearings that will be bipartisan with committees that actually have power to try to take actio action. >> melissa: now we are seeing

that today are blocking the resolution on russia, this have a moment to go. trish, i will go to you on that one. the fight continues, seemingly over the non-core issue. how do we battle back over resolution and what we are going to see you stand up? >> trish: lindsey graham set a very well, they should be consulting professionals that can give them the right information and come up with a plan that could get the right amount of funding. we do not know what it is, we do not like money just being sent and nothing being shown for it, but get the right amount of money and right people in place to make sure that we secure ourselves. i do not think that anybody would say that we should not. it is just a question of how do you do it, and i hated that they are getting bogged down on all of the political you know what, because -- >> ari: we know what it is.

>> harris: creatures living in it. >> capri: one of the places with less whomp is at the state level. we are the ones responsible for the secretary of state for elections, we do the heavy lifting, we do have some resources from the federal government, but we have to do more. the question is where does this money get allocated to you? does a go to the state department or some kind of infrastructure? this whole thing is, i totally agree with everybody, the fact that this is focusing on posturing, not a solution. all this is is to get people on record have an attack ad or direct mail saying that you did this, because guess what, we are coming up on an election, and in place went mad places like ohio -- >> harris: you are preaching like re now though resolution what what if left the assessment of russian meddling, and basically,

the president is on the record, let's move on to other things, or is there something else at play? i see something in your eye. >> ari: i am for it, i want to see how seriously we take this, i do not know, because it is breaking news, what took place on the senate floor, but i have learned never to judge the house and the senate pitch by pitch. sometimes you have to watch the game. >> harris: you have to watch the whole game. >> melissa: president from giving an update on whether he will sit down for an interview with robert mueller the fbi director weighs in on what the president maintains is a witch hunt. ♪ [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before... [telephone ring] like my father before... ahoy-hoy! as long as people talk too loudly on the phone,

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♪ >> trish: president from speaking out on whether or not he will sit down with an interview with robert mueller. the president saying that he very much wants that to happen despite the opposition to the investigation itself.

>> my lawyers are working on that. i have always wanted to do an interview, because, look, there is been no collusion. there's been no talk of russia. have there been no phone calls. there is been nothing. and i call it a witch hunt, that is exactly what it is. it is a vicious witch hunt. >> trish: meanwhile mueller getting support from christopher wray who defended the special counsel's integrity at the afton security form. watch. >> i do not believe special counsel mueller is on a witch hunt. i think it is a professional investigation conducted by a man that i have known to be a straight shooter and all of my interactions with him. in my past life in government, and certainly since then. so i do not think that it is a witch hunt. >> trish: ari, would you advise the president to sit down with mueller and do that interview? >> ari: i am not a lawyer, but my answer is "no."

president trump does nothing but get himself in trouble. so he gave a good political answer, but when i was watching yesterday, you do not mean that, you're not sitting down with him and you know it. >> trish: he is frustrated because this has gone on and on and on. and i would argue that given what we have seen as of late, it is all the more important that this comes to some kind of conclusion, because people want to know what the heck happened if anything happened, and here we are dragging this out, would an interview with the president helped to bring this to an end? >> capri: of president trump really believes that it is a witch hunt and he has the truth on his side. then it could benefit him from sitting down to basically tie this up in a bow, but i agree with ari, i am not a lawyer, but i do not know any lawyer that say that it is okay for president trump or any clients to sit down, because he is not particularly a well manageable witness, so to speak. he may get an answer, and he

will not say "yes" or "no" he will talk and the more that you talk, the more there are problems. >> trish: he apparently missed speaks. not so clear often with the words. as we learned in helsinki. that could be a problem. >> melissa: my question for ari, the conflict thing, the witch hunt, is that questioning, doesn't make him look guilty? is it childish? strictly from a messaging point of view? >> ari: contradictory things can be true at this time, in this instance, one, it is not a witch hunt, accept the fact that mueller should look into this and report what he finds. or if there is nothing, we deserve to know that too. if you are on the receiving end of an investigation and you know that you did nothing wrong, of course it is a witch hunt to you. if you know it's, that is how it feels. so he is saying it. if the public, i think that you have to wait for mueller to

conclude. if he says there is no collusion, it will be like the day that donald trump was elected again. it will be a celebration for donald trump and his people and they will feel like they have a new win behind her back, appropriately so. because he has the goods on the them. >> harris: the question open for the entire country, because there is so much that we are not talking about right now. i'm sorry, trish. >> trish: i just wonder how anybody does their job they are? i mean, how do you go about doing your job when you are facing this massive investigation that is not just him, it is his entire team. >> harris: to their credit, they are doing their jobs, because look at all that is going on right now. they are about to do like tax cut 2.0. but it is difficult, i would imagine, so trish, you are absolutely right about that. i would say this for the president and mueller and sitting down. mueller still has the opportunity and the chance and the accomplishment of surprise every few days. so as long as that is going on,

we really do not know what he has. so the latest with paul manafort and giving community to five people so that he can get more evidence on paul manafort. squeezing somebody close to the president, one second, so we still do not have a full idea about what mueller has, i think it would be interesting for the president to sit down with him, but how do you prepare? how do you make it safe? >> ari: there is too much legal jeopardy, because the president said that there was no phone call, what does that mean? i'm sure that he will find a phone call somewhere, did he lie under oath? so it is loose lips. >> harris: depends on how you prepare your client. >> trish: all right, everybody, days after former president obama took a veiled shot or not so veiled depending on how you look at it, he is, what do you know, at it again. the solution that he is suggesting to curb corruption in politics. we will talk about all of that

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>> melissa: more outnumbered in just a moment, but we touch base on harris and what is coming up on "outnumbered overtime." >> harris: tim scott, democrat senator ben carton joining me on the president's latest comments holding vladimir putin responsible for russian meddling. which comes as a new poll shows two-thirds of republicans approve of the president's handling of the summit. has the president cleared things up? and what does senator cardin plan to ask pompeo about the summit at next wednesday's hearing? i will get to the bottom of it. and president trump reveals his dream opponent for 2020. wait until you hear who it is. and why. "outnumbered overtime" at the top of the hour. >> melissa: former president barack obama blasting an entire gender yesterday. speaking to a crowd of some 200 students in south africa. here is how the former president responded to a question about curbing correction corruption .

>> men have been getting on my nerves lately. every day i read the newspaper and i just think, brothers, what is wrong with you guys? what is wrong with us? we are violence, we are bullying, i think that empowering more women right away will lead to some better policies. >> melissa: ari, what do you make of that? is that about a gender or men in charge of countries right now? >> ari: powering more women is true, it will be a modern successful society is how you treat women, accept that. by the part about men, this is what drives me crazy about obama. it is one day after you gave a speech where he said, don't criticize people because they are male or they are whites and they cannot see things from your point of view. do not take those judgments, then he goes out and gives that type of judgment about men, that

they are bullies and violent head he goes from one to another and the press never holds them accountable. for eight years the press was soft on barack obama and they are so hard on donald trump. the contrast is right out. >> melissa: trish, what do you think? >> trish: i think he missed his calling, he would've been a great comedian. it sounds like he was giving a comic sketch up there, i mean, look. i am all for everyone that has a commitment and an interest in politics to pursue that, regardless of your gender, color, et cetera. the more diversity that you have is the better that you are as a country because you have more viewpoints. that is all good, but really -- she would've been a wonderful comedian. just before he is a private citizen, entitled to his own opinion. i do not agree, i think it is a little bit too harsh, this bad apple, and all genders, and i do think that you can point to a

lot of different examples where when women are in charge, you have less instances of corrupt activity, but that is not the reason for women to enter into office. we do not need to have men less than for us to be more. >> ari: the former president, let's say that his name was george, gave a similar speech and said that women are fill-in the blank, the press will be going nuts today. barack obama gives a speech, men are blank, serious man, well said, i cannot stand the hypocrisy. >> trish: women need to stand on their own two feet, we do not need to cut men down to be who we are prey >> melissa: so you think that is left versus right, i could see the press saying that we are so up in arms and he calls us the enemy other people, et cetera, et cetera. >> ari: it is the media than other stop being in love with barack obama and were soft on him for eight years, the day that they got the pillow to put him on "saturday night live," they kept the pillow there.

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going to ask me about the yankees and the red sox. go yankees! >> melissa: i like that very much. thank you to all of you, thank you for watching. we will be back here at noon eastern, for now here is harris. >> harris: thanks, guys, president from pardoning his stance against russia. now saying that he holds vladimir putin responsible for meddling in the 2016 election. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i am harris faulkner period president trump telling cbs news that he holds putin responsible for the kremlin's attempts to interfere in the 2016 election and that he believes the u.s. intelligence committee's assessment prayed he said that he directly worn to the russian leader during their one-on-one meeting in helsinki that we cannot have this, we are not going to have it, all of this comes after the president tried to clarify his remarks at that summit where he said he did not see any reason why it would be russia who meddled. here are more of the presidents interview and comments with