all the families involved. because some of those victims children as well. "outnumbered" starts right now. thanks for joining us. >> harris: fox news alert, secretary of state mike pompeo has wrapped up high-level meetings of the united nations in new york city. he has had to make remarks this hour alongside ambassador to the u.n. nikki haley next. this comes just one day after mike pompeo fired back a criticism that president trump appeared weak during his summit with russian president vladimir putin in helsinki. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. host of kennedy on fox business, kennedy herself. democratic strategist and fox news contributor jessica tarlov and in the center seat, editor in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation, chris bedford. i love it when he salutes all the military people out there and he is fear and is

"outnumbered" ." >> chris: can't wait, let's get it going. >> melissa: love the attitude. >> harris: we are learning president president trump has invited russian president vladimir pugh into the white house this fall under criticism from both sides of the aisle after their summit in helsinki, finland, this week. some republican lawmakers argue it may not be the best idea. president trump is refusing to cave to criticism on the issue. watch. >> look at the sanctions i put on, look at all of the things that i've done. if nobody else did what i've done. obama didn't do it. obama was a patsy for russia. look at the statement he made when he thought the mics were turned off. a stupid statement he made. nobody does a big deal about that. getting along with president putin, getting along with the russia is positive, not a negative. that being said, if that doesn't

work out, i'll be the worst enemy he's had. the worst he's ever had. >> harris: sectary of state pompeo also defending the president in an exclusive interview on fox news fox newsl just last night. >> what you make of the assessment our president appeared weak standing next to president putin in helsinki and even allegations by lawmakers that he must have something on a president for him to be acting this way? >> i think those allegations are absurd. this administration has been relentless in its efforts to deter russia from its bad behavior. we inherited a situation where russia was running all over the united states. the last few days have been frankly more heat than light. >> harris: democrats are continuing to go after the president on the issue. here is senate intelligence committee vice chairman mark warner. >> he got played for a fool and he embarrassed our country and frankly embarrassed lots of my colleagues across the board. democrats, republicans alike.

i think it's outrageous of the president is awarding putin with another meeting before the election. particularly since the dan coats and other intelligence community leaders and for that matter the social media platforms have indicated the russians will be back. they were successful in 2016 in terms of sowing disarray in our electoral process. >> harris: is a time to let putin into the white house for a meeting? >> chris: i think they ought to meet again because last meeting didn't go very well for the president and it makes total sense that he would want to meet with putin again and try to get things on better track at least publicly. >> harris: you're okay with the white house? >> chris: you got to remember that putin has been acting up for a while. georgia was invaded under president bush president bush, ukraine was invaded under president obama. the russians have been meddling in u.s. elections for about 100 years. something the former head of the cia voted for in his first ever presidential election when he was in college. they've been causing trouble in

the things that russia really doesn't like is getting his compound shut down in the u.s., sanctions added, ambassadors expelled, illegal arms to you ukraine, missiles back to poland, natural gas back to europe, getting energy markets a regulated and stronger nato. these are things that are really bad for putin's i'm not sure how this president has been a great help to russia. >> melissa: is interesting that folks are making a very big deal out of this because putin visited the white house in 2005, president obama had him there to visit as well. if we can't knowing that someone is coming, we can't defend the white house, that would be really embarrassing for her own security. i can't imagine that's really the case. >> jessica: i'm sure the intelligence community members now, we saw the video of dan coats being informed by andrea mitchell yesterday and that putin had been invited to the white house, he had no idea 19 don't know who was in the

intelligence community did now. i think that should be more coordinated and is a threat. i think the timing. >> melissa: was at a threat when he was there before and it is a different threat now? >> jessica: is a different threat on two levels. we are talking a lot more about russian meddling than we were before, it doesn't mean it didn't happen before but we are certainly more actively talking about it. second of all, it's a p.r. threat for the president and the republican party more generally. i don't think going into the midterm that they need to have a potential reboot of what happened in helsinki were people on both sides of the aisle were extremely upset with how president trump behaved in public. we don't know what happened behind closed doors. i don't know why that can't wait until after the midterms especially as we've seen rod rosenstein released their plan for how to going to combat russian meddling in the 2018 election. we heard from mike pompeo that they're coming for us again so why the rush? >> melissa: is interesting to hear talk like that and you might want to be careful before the midterms, i heard somebody

else say earlier, the american people want to hear the president say that he has on our side. not on the russians. and it's interesting hearing talk like that which to me seems a little ridiculous left from the same people that have criticized the president as being hyper nationalist. which is it? is here russian or hyper nationalist? this hysteria, they may not serve democrats. >> kennedy: we saw the same thing with north korea, he was too tough on kim jong un was about to set off world war iii on twitter by goading him and being unpredictable. i would like to see more of that goading with vladimir putin. but the summit in helsinki didn't go well, do the opposite because right now, you have some very easy lines for democrats to grab for the midterms and use against the president. and that was of course an unforced ever on the president's part. the other thing is, tell us what you want from russia and then go get it. i think then people will be much more comfortable about a double

medic relationship going forward. >> harris: fox news alert, going to break in with breaking news. we have learned via "the new york times" reporting, they were reporting that the president's former personal attorney michael cohen reported donald trump talking about payment to former playboy model karen mcdougall. this is about two months before the presidential election in which they had discussed these payments to a former playboy model that i just mentioned and apparently other women according to "the new york times" reporting. the president's current personal attorney rudy giuliani is already on the record having said that those conversations did in fact happen have that there are recordings of the president discussing the payments with michael cohen. however, there were no payments that were actually made that they had talked about. the fbi sees the recording this year during a raid on michael cohen's office. they went to several locations in those raids and one of them

was his office. the justice department says it is investigating michael cohen's involvement in paying women to tamp down stories that were negative about the president prethe election. >> melissa: it would to bring up one piece, this is "the new york times" reporting, they are quoting mr. giuliani saying nothing in that conversation suggest that he had any knowledge of it in advance meeting the payment, adding that "mr. trump had directed mr. call when that if you were to make a payment related to the woman to write a check rather than sending cash so that it could be properly documented." this is supposedly in a conversation. we have heard this, this is "the new york times" reporting. go ahead. >> harris: mr. cohen's attorneys have discovered the recording was part of their review of the seized materials and shared it with the president's lawyers according to three people who were briefed on the matter. chris, this has been kind of out there and talked about because you had people like the attorney

for stormy daniels saying that there might be. you've got people -- is that what he is saying now? the people on the periphery, the edges of this reporting and sing some different things but now this evidence and giuliani says the discussions have been about payments to multiple women apparently, no, and then you add in what melissa just said. >> chris: i don't think there's any real question that the president and his past life as a businessman in new york went to great lengths to keep his life private and keep things quiet, especially later on. the big problem for him is going to be is it anything to do with election funds? that would be major. it doesn't seem like it is, we don't have any evidence so far that it is. the second part which could be more major is he did he know this recording was made by his personal attorney and stored in his office before the fbi seized it and if he did know it at the time that it was made, how many more of these personal conversations between a client and his lawyer were recorded

that could come out? >> harris: a reporting suggest this is the only one that's the question for the attorneys. i don't know if either side had said that publicly whether or not that was the case. during all of this, you say that it matters when the president knew about this. why? >> chris: the main thing that it would matter is if you use campaign funds to do this. did he break the law, misuse donations as opposed to using his personal money. that would be where the president would get in trouble with anyone other than his family. >> harris: jessica? >> jessica: we were talking about this a little before the show started and i completely agree with chris that the legal issue here is going to be whether campaign funds were misused. everyone knows the president has cheated on previous spouses, not sure about melania at this point and that's been accepted. we all heard the access hollywood tapes and millions of americans still went out and voted for this man. so that's not going to shock anyone here and i don't think

that michael cohen being a bit of a dirty dealer is also going to shock anyone. we have to see what happens with a campaign funds issue and if we were discussing they were a million documents available. there were many more than they actually took. so whether this will be a continuing process or not and whether this is michael cohen when making a final plea for a pardon in the end of this. >> harris: 's or rudy giuliani again, the president's personal attorney confirmed in a telephone conversation on friday, so this was today that mr. trump had discussed the pays with mr. cohen on tape, but as of the payment was ultimately never made. the recording was less than 2 minutes long and demonstrated the president had done nothing wrong. >> chris: there's nothing more to it of the payment was never made and if that turns out to be true, there's nothing more to it. can you imagine stopping someone at the polls was going to vote and say what if i told you that donald trump they did a playboy model? student is going to change about

anywhere? it might hurt him with suburban women because that's where the president is actually been paid >> jessica: they knew about this already. >> kennedy: i think you're absolutely right. they were so many known factors about donald trump. he is not a politician. there are things that people may find exasperating but i don't know how much that moves the needle in terms of what's more important to people. it does i'll go back to the economy. the other thing, if you can't trust your cleaner, who can you trust? to be what i knew it was coming. >> kennedy: what is michael cohen when motivation? is an insurance policy that he's got away flipping on the president? >> harris: this is the man in court who voluntarily on his own behalf messed up the fact that the judge said he only have three clients? what's that all of their names on the record. and that was why we exactly learned who his clients were

because he volunteered the information and then made it look like later or at least tried to that that was something that he was pressed into. it's a complicated situation. when "the wall street journal" revealed the existence of the payment days before the election, mr. trump campaign spokeswoman hope hicks said we had no knowledge of any of this. this claim of an affair was totally untrue so you have some going back and forth about the payment. >> melissa: we are reading through this as everyone is but it sounded like they discussed a possible payment and said if you do it, make sure you use a check to that there a record of it. >> jessica: michael cohen has also said. >> harris: we don't know if they knew it or not. >> jessica: we also heard a where he paid out of his own pocket. so that was one iteration of this so rudy giuliani has copped

to the reality of this and he said there are many other women to come and then he had to backtrack on that. your member when he first started and he was going on tv every day messing up. >> melissa: that doesn't contradict this. >> jessica: we heard somebody different versions. it is a different version that he actually made these payments because giuliani is saying here that they just talked about the payments, the payment wasn't made. >> chris: who hear what actually hire michael cohen after the last three months? >> harris: a little busy right now. >> kennedy: if i was rotting in a turkish prison with chronic limbs and perhaps had hours to live, i still be going through the rolodex. >> harris: because your limbs would not be working. as we learn this information, it is interesting what you say, it ties to nothing that is criminal or illegal or any of that.

what is this exercise that we go through at this point? what is is about? >> kennedy: that's a great question. >> chris: democrats have been pushing this a lot, some republicans pushing this a lot, trying to double down on the character attacks on the president. it didn't seem to work before if the access hollywood tapes didn't change people's minds. i don't think dating a playboy model bill. so the only real question now is as a going to be illegal? but again, it's worth looking at the polls because if you look in a lot of the places you'd expect his poll numbers to be doing badly, hispanic rural areas like on the texas border for example, are not really changing. he's actually doing fine. he is doing badly among suburban white women. college-educated women, married women. that is not good. so the suburbs are where he's hurting. i think it might have something to do with his style, his rhetoric, how brash he can be and 2, this steady stream of accusations of infidelity. no one likes to hear that.

>> melissa: there is one thing that would help. >> jessica: not cheating on your wife. >> kennedy: melania needs to have another baby. >> melissa: bringing it back to the serious here. >> kennedy: it's hard because obviously there's so much misdirect here and like harris is absolutely right, where does is take us? were to be go from here? these are things that we already knew. people who hate the president are going to continue to hate the president. people who support the president no matter what, it isn't going to change their opinion at all. >> harris: the number one thing is on surveys list of people of all political stripes out there is health care coupled with the economy. this really has nothing to do with either of those and americans are looking to see if republicans in this president can keep the promise of being better than the last guys. >> melissa: i also want to say we are talking about the last election, i would not either of the people that are running. >> jessica: they are taken

anyway. i totally understand that. but to chris's point, when you say will people care that he was dating a "playboy" model? he wasn't dating her, he wasn't a free man. cheating is different than dating. when you talk about suburban women, when you talk about people who you might be losing traction with, it does matter that he was cheating on his wife versus he was going on dates because you can go on dates and not be in trouble for that. it doesn't matter necessarily for the president insofar as he ends up getting michael cohen when a pardon but it does matter for michael cullen. >> harris: you think think youe apart into a guy who had betrayed him? >> jessica: if he has a lot more recordings than that. michael cullen knows where all the bodies are buried. he is being at for things like a medallion business, a taxi medallion business. and he has been in donald trump's dirt for decades

now and he ran a real estate company in the city where i am sure, you can go back to the campaign and that came out about how he built atlantic city and what he did here with soho trump towers with the russians, there are a lot of things that went on that were not aboveboard. so he's an incredibly valuable asset. >> harris: michael cohen has not been charged with anything. so what would the point being to put pressure on somebody who's close to the president? >> kennedy: this is one of those fantasies that democrats like to manufacture that the president is going to wake up in an impulsive twitter fit an and pardon everyone was a friend of his or one day might be convicted of something. a series of 70,000 preemptive pardons and this sort of baseless hysteria and that gets this not only so sidetracked that gets us fighting about really stupid things when we need to keep our eyes on. >> harris: health care in the economy, that's what the

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making the rounds and capitol hill in recent days and in the meantime, democratic senator joe manchin set to hold a roundtable on kavanaugh today in his home state of west virginia. he is just one of the red state democrats running for reelection this year who could potentially slip and support the president's pick. one of the threats has been to hold if you want this paper trail, going to hold the kavanaugh vote right before the midterm election. is that a threat to democrats or would you welcome that? >> jessica: it's difficult. it depends on where your constituents are for this. i think joe manchin is extremely smart for holding this roundtable. we have ten democrats and red straits up for reelection in the senate and they should all do something like that and talk to their voters. we had three democrats who voted for neil gorsuch. i would imagine those three plus a few more will end up, doug jones now has a difficult road ahead of him here since he's even more liberal than heidi heitkamp for instance in

alabama. so i think that's a smart thing to do here. as far as the kavanaugh nomination, the supreme court is for decades. i don't see anything wrong with wanting as many documents as much information as possible about the nominee. a vote right before the midterms right after, i think democrats can capitalize on that and keep tearing about every garland in a stolen seat so they are playing this one right. >> melissa: republicans screwed up pretty badly here. this is a guy who has been a model prosecutor, not been involved in social issues, not any kind of culture warrior and he got railroaded because he dared to question multiculturalism 25 years ago but you're not going to find that kind of dirt on kavanaugh. he's 53 years old and has been aiming for supreme court seat for 53 years. >> harris: also turned out a lot of high-level clerks. he's created a legacy there. and he has 300 opinions that they can sift through which is a

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>> harris: a fox news alert car back to our breaking story and outcome of "the new york times" is reporting that president trump's former personal attorney michael cohen reported mr. trump talking about payment to former playboy model karen mcdougall. peter doocy now from washington.

stick with the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani told "the new york times" that e is a tape, less than 2 minutes long, but he believes it contains a conversation that proves that the president didn't do anything wrong because giuliani said the president tells michael cohen in this recording that if he did make a payment to somebody to write a check instead of sending cash so they would be some sort of a record of a transaction, the woman that they were talking about on this call that was apparently scooped up by micah lawyers trying to figure out what was privileged and what was not, her name is karen mcdougall, you can see her on the screen right there, she claims that 12 years ago, she had a one year long affair with then businessman donald trump, she later came out in april and said that she regretted it. she started apologizing to melania trump and the reason that she came out in april is

because that is when she was released from a deal that she had made with the company that owns the "national enquirer" which she said paid her $150,000 for her story but then never ran it. she was then afraid as part of an agreement, she came out and we haven't heard much about her for the last three months or so until now we learned about this secret recording. >> harris: i'm curious to know if there's any response from the white house. i'm also curious about something you said just want to drill down on the facts here. did i hear you correctly saying this came about because of michael cohen's attorneys on earth? i do understand they were among those documents that receives as authorities were hitting federal authorities hitting several of his locations. but first, the white house response. >> nothing from the white house yet. we did hear from president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani. representing michael cohen when in front of this matter told "new york times" that they're not going to comment on this right now but in terms of where

this reporting was located, remember when michael cohen's office and hotel room and house were rated by federal authorities were trying to figure out if he had or had any kind of a conversation and appropriately about payments that could have possibly violated campaign finance laws, he said wait a second, i'm a lawyer, anything you find is going to be privileged information between me and a client. it's of his legal team has been going through trying to figure out what they think might be privileged information that could not be used in any kind of a court case and they are the ones who notify the president's legal team, that's how rudy giuliani says that he knows about this. >> harris: giuliani is acknowledging that the conversations actually happen. what he is saying from everything i'm reading and is "the new york times" reporting as well is that there was nothing illegal or criminal about any of this with regard to the president. we will report the facts and follow them as they pop up, thank you for your reporting.

the justice department has released a report detailing efforts to fight foreign influence in our election. just months before voters head to the polls for the midterm. the report is the first public description of how the doj will assess and respond for an attempt to manipulate american elections like russian meddling happened in 2016. one way includes alerting the public of such efforts as they happen. here is deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. >> exposing schemes of the public is an important way to neutralize it. the american people have a right to know that foreign governments are targeting them with propaganda. if we must continually adapt criminal justice and intelligence tools to combat hackers and other criminals. >> harris: when i hear about this, i wonder why it wasn't happening before. we were we being told? >> melissa: we weren't being told, we heard peter strzok say that he thought any candidate would want to know if there campaign for being targeted by

the russians. the next obvious question was so did you tell the president and his campaign was being targeted? you would want to know. they have been targeting our system, they continue to target our system, i don't know why we haven't done more. i hope that we are doing a lot now. another this topic always gets muddled because it goes to democrats saying implying are directly saying the president was elected because the russians were on the side of getting the president elected in all that achieved is angering the people who voted for the president who they'd like to have vote for their candidate. so when democrats say that, all they're achieving is getting people angry at them who will not vote for their candidate. >> harris: to your point, working together on the hill you've got senators marco rubio and ben holland of maryland both talking about what they're calling the deter act legislation. >> kennedy: the government is always going to be behind

technology. they're never going to be at the forefront but we still have to do more with cyber security and the coast of the individual. don't believe everything you read. when you see something on facebook or social media and for a lot of people in 2012 and 2016, was a brand-new way of getting information and that's on both sides. they see something that that kind of agree with and then they read more about it and it seems legitimate but now all these other governments and actors and it wasn't just russia. we heard this pro-hillary rabble-rouser saying i would make of the most insane stories for approach facebook users and put them out. china, north korea, burma, they can all do it. they all do the exact same thing and they see how effective it is. >> chris: if you're running a presidential campaign, you can be sure the russians are spying on you, our closest allies are going to be spying on you in the presidential campaign trying to get as much as they can. so we need to lock down her voter systems and our election systems because the russian access, there is no evidence anywhere that they changed any

votes. that's a problem. but as long as you can send a link that says click this, reset your password and download all of his emails, as long as you can jump on facebook and said the pope just endorsed trump, they're able to spread misinformation and get access to staff. it is not a sophisticated operation. >> jessica: not just a link to boomers but a link to john podesta. it feels great, doesn't it? i agree with the point that melissa brought up here and i would talk with that a lot that there are two issues at hand, russian meddling and then whether or not president trump is legitimate president. and this is where i think he gets upset and why he says things that he does in the press conference in helsinki because he feels people are saying you're not president, hillary is our true president and russians changed both through the machines and you don't deserve to be here. so that he feels like he can't acknowledge russian meddling as forthrightly as he should. so hopefully going forward that

he's done that cbs interview, he'll be able to do that more effectively. but i totally agree that this is necessary and beneficial, that we have this transparent and not just tell the campaign if you're being infiltrated but also tell the public of the campaign is being investigated so don't just say hillary is being looked at and not say trump is being looked at. if they're both being looked at, you tell the public. >> kennedy: stopped getting opposition research from russia. >> harris: we are going to tell people that is happening coming up to tell people that we can combat it. we already have a low threshold of voting in this country, we don't want to encourage more people to send home. i hope capitol hill was listening. democratic socialist alexandra ocasio-cortez is joining bernie sanders on the campaign trail. it will happen while still basking in the glow of knocking off the number for democrat in the house. why this road trip is sounding alarm for many people in the democrat party. republicans eyeing a midterm opportunity as well.

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>> harris: they are talking about north korea. secretary of state mike pompeo and ambassador to the united nations nikki haley at the united nations here in new york at this time. will they take questions? also expected to talk about reform ahead of the general assembly. but of course, the trump-putin question, will they be asked about that? let's watch and listen together. >> right now, north korea is illegally smuggling petroleum products in the country at a level that far exceeds the quotas established by the united nations. these illegal ship to ship transfers are the most prominent means by which this is happenin happening. these transfers happened at least 89 times in the first five months of this year and they continue to occur. the united states reminds every u.n. member of its

responsibility to stop illegal ship to ship transfers and we order them to step up their enforcement efforts as well. we must also crackdown on other forms of sanctions of asia including the smuggling of cold icy, smuggling by overland borders and the presidents of north korean workers in certain countries. north korean cyber theft and other criminal activities are also generating significant revenues for the regime and they must be stopped. president trump remains upbeat about the prospects of denuclearization of north korea. so do i. has progress is happening, it is a trump administration's hope that one day, the dprk could be in our midst here at the united nations. not as a pariah, but as a frien friend. imagine u.n. security council meetings in which the dprk missile programs were not the agenda time and time again. we'll be able to focus our energy on so many urgent problems that face our world. i believe this reality as possible and so does

president trump. but it will take full enforcement of sanctions for us to get there. it will also take chairman kim following through on his personal commitment that he made to president trump in singapore. the path ahead is not easy. it will take time, but our hopes for a safer world for all of us in a brighter future for north korea remains our objective and that endures. thank you. >> thank you so much, i'm very grateful for my friend for coming out a meeting with the security council today. this is what we know. 18 months ago when i came in, our biggest concern is north korea. everyone was wondering when that new test was going to happen, everyone was wondering when the new threat would occur in the entire international community knew something had to happen. it was a herculean task by the security council to pass three massive sanctions packages. getting rid of all exports, 90%

of their trades, 30% of their oil, expelling all labor workers and scheduling that down, making sure all joint ventures stopped. all of that combined with the international community coming together and expelling diplomats and stopping communication and with the president's tough stance, all of that was really the combination that brought north korea to the table. now, north korea and the u.s. have started to have talks and as those things are happening, we in the security council of the international community have to support those talks and the best way we can support those talks is to not loosen the sanctions. and what we have been seeing is certain countries wanting to do waivers, certain countries saying let's lift sanctions, certain countries wanted to do

more and what i appreciate secretary pompeo coming up in what we continue to reiterate is we can do one thing until we see north korea respond to their promise to denuclearize. we have to see some sort of action. so until that action happens, the security council is going to hold tight. in the international community we ask you to hold tight as we go forward. the problem that we are encountering is that some of our friends have decided that they want to go around the rules. you saw there were violations of the oil band. we have a secretary pompeo said, seen 89 times for that has happen. we have photographs of proof of ship to ship transfers. and our friends, what we decided was let's come together and let's make sure that this stops so the u.s. put yesterday a halt to all additional refined petroleum shipments to north korea. china and russia blocked it.

for china and russia to block it, what are they telling us? are they telling us that they want to continue supplying the soil? they claim they need more information. we don't need anymore information. the sanctions committee has what it needs. we all know it going forward. if we put pressure today on china and russia to abide and be good helpers through the situation and to help us continue with denuclearization and so i think this was a day of the very between the secretary, the foreign minister of south korea, our japanese friends as well as the security council to say if we want to see success, we have to see a response from chairman kim and we have to continue to hold the line until that happens. it's a very successful day again a promising the security council has remained united and continuing to put pressure on our members did not follow through on that promise. thank you.

>> so enforcement of sanctions is a continuing process, there are many places where the russians have been helpful, certainly since the very beginning of the time the time the u.n. security council resolutions, they've done many things to enforce the sanctions and they are deeply appreciative of that. but we need now is we need to continue that. we need to make sure that they begin to see this. it is not an american demand for north america north kirby had to denuclearize of the world to to continue to participate. whether it's russia or another

one not doing their part to enforce it, we are going to make sure that we provide the information to them so they can all see it in the world can see it. we're going to say every country in the world do their part. >> why is it a good idea for the president to invite vladimir putin to the white house? what does america have to gain? >> i'm happy that they want to continue to meet. i think it's all for the good. those conversations are incredibly important. we have our senior leaders meeting all across the world where they have deep disagreements with, it is incredibly valuable to the people of united states of america that president putin and president trump continue to engage in dialogue to resolve the difficult issues that our country is facing. i think this makes enormous

sense and i'm very hopeful that that meeting will take place this fall. 's >> i'll take the second one first. so lots of discussion taking place, there was a discussion between president trump and president putin about the resolution in syria and how we might get the refugees back, the president shared with me conversations that they had, it is important to the world that the right time through a voluntary mechanism, these refugees are able to return to their home country. it's what we've all been working on, what the u.n. has been

working on, working on every same problem set and president putin and president trump to discuss that. there's lots of work to do to figure out how to implement that but they want to be part of achieving that resolution in syria, make no mistake about it. your first question was about what we need to see. it's really pretty straightforward. and is not my description of what needs to take place. chairman kim made a promise. chairman kim told not only president trump a president moon that he was prepared to denuclearize. the scope and scale of that is agreed to. the north koreans understand what that means. there's no mistake about what the scope of denuclearization looks like so what do we need to see? we need to see chairman kim do what he promised the world he would do. not very fancy but it's the truth. >> harris: with that copies of the secretary of state mike

pompeo really leaning in at that point on those questions. is that we need to see chairman kim do what he promised to do with regard to north korea but at one point, the questions were all about the russian summit and with regard to that, the secretary said he is happy the two leaders, a very important countries are continuing to meet in washington or wherever hopefully will take place this november. >> chris: that makes total sense, they have a lot to discuss. as president trump said, there's lots of places that they could work. they can work together in syria, work together north korea as well. one thing i think we should watch to see how serious they are about choking north korea and cutting them off is how we handle chairman she of china, the guy that keeps north korea lives. are we going to keep turn around the ships that are going in between north korea and china as a we're going to interdict you here, you're not bringing supplies to north korea? >> harris: energy specifically specifically. >> chris: if you start to see that, start a see them crackdown

on banks in china, i think you'll see they very serious. we do that's what's going on right now the u.n., that's why they're sitting there and talking about these ship to ship transfers of already refined petroleum products. it is very much the lifeblood of what is going on north korea and they're saying guess what, we see you guys cheating going with the to really crackdown on that and that just shows you here all the talk, north korea has no administration, there they are demanding. >> kennedy: there is a free market in regards to north korea. it is a black market. that's why russia is trying to use a legitimate moment to talk to north korea. it has been an entire cabal propping up and it is time for them to change their ways. >> harris: it is interesting just the ship to ship in china and north korea but specifically north korea, the cyber warfare that they are waging to steal

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>> thanks so much to the daily caller chris bedford. >> it was great. >> friday ends up being huge around here. >> it's unreal. if it's been a quite a week.

we are back here on the couch at noon eastern on monday. right now let's go up harris faulkner will take us to overtime. >> fox news alert on a secret tape recorded by president trump attorney michael cohen. i'm harris faulkner. this is "the story with martha maccallum." fox news confirmed cohen secretly recorded that conversation with candidate trump in 2016. they talked about a payment to former play model karen macdougall. she claimed she had an affair with the president in 2006. rudy guiliani said the tape showed the president did nothing wrong. >> reporter: we don't know why michael cohen wanted to record a conversation with then president trump to the play mate karen macdougall who claimed she had an