tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you're pregnant or planning to be. ♪ otezla. show more of you. business network. tucker is up next. have a great weekend. >>good evening and welcome to tucker carlson. an anger mob gathered chanting slogans attacking the united states. america was never great, they screamed. terrifying. but hold on a sec. that actually didn't happen in iran, much as it seems like it. it happened in los angeles, in our country, the one they say was never great. they were there to express their love and support for congressman

maxine waters. if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, at a department store, at a gas station, you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere. >> meanwhile, elsewhere in los angeles, a newly opened coffee shop was attacked by mass protesters who hurled feces at the building. i'm confused, he said. but it didn't matter. on the left, the penalty for thought crime is swift and certain, if nonsensical. for disagreeing with the mob, the immigrant owner is not allowed to make a living. those are the rules. this lunacy did not come out of the blue. it has been brewing for quite

some time. [chanting] >>if kids don't eat in peace, you don't eat in peace. if kids don't eat in peace, you don't eat in peace. shame on you! shame on you! shame on you! >> well, we first saw this brand of extremism on college campuses where student activists demonstrated against new ideas they didn't understand. over time, though, their protests became physical and then dangerous. windows smashed, fire set, people threatened with death. it's moved off campus into our world, threatening trump officials who dared to appear in public. now they're targeting private citizens who might be sympathetic to the administration. want to open a small business?

well, you can't do that unless you view this week's progressive dogmas. that's a lesson corporate america learned years ago and has applied ever since. it is the very opposite of freedom. something awful could easily happen. now, right now is the time for progressive leaders to douse the fires that they set to calm their inflamed supporters. it is vital they do that. and yet they're doing the opposite. now they're telling their followers that the president of the united states is a russian spy, a traitor. the penalty for treason is death. traitors must be overthrown. the mob screams wild with rage. democrats are banking that rage will get their voters to the polls in november. it may. it may also destroy the country. robert, thank you for coming on. i have a question that i wanted to ask for a long time to

someone on the left. why the flag burning and the attacks on america? these protests very often devolve into an attack on the country itself. why attack the whole country? >> well, i think you can find extremists on both the left and the right who do things that are anti-american. i don't support any of these people. if you don't like america, get out of america. >> i agree with that. look, i have no problem with that. but hold on. okay. and i think that's a fair point. but the scale is very different. so you have the charlottesville riot or whatever it was. you haven't seen anything like that since. the nfl has been in a continuous controversy over kneeling during the national anthem. left wing protests routinely contain attacks on the country.

the t-shirt "your country was never great" is for sell online, so is the hat. what is that? why don't leaders ever say anything about it? >> i think leaders do. and i think it's very easy to find the clips of the most crazy and extreme cases and make it seem like that's the norm. most people protesting are saying we want reasonable policies. and i think a large part of this falls on the president. the buck stops here. that is what president trump has to take up and understand that he has to bring these parties together. if people are protesting over the immigration policy. you bring together the stakeholders. you hammer out an immigration reform bill. you bring it before the american people and discuss it and that will tamp down these protests. but leaving this vacuum of

information where people think children are being kidnapped, that's not going to work. >> i agree with a lot of what you're saying, actually. i do want a rational conversation about what's best for the country. i try to do that every night on this show. it's hard to do that when people are saying -- not just random protesters in west l.a., but i don't know, the ranking members on the democratic side of the house and senate are calling the president of the united states a traitor, a death penalty offense. if you really believe the president was a russian agent, then how could you do anything but try to overthrow him? that's not a predicate for reasonable discussion, is it? >> well, absolutely not. but what has to happen is the president has to explain what the point of the meeting with putin was, what happened, why there was no other members of the intelligence community or national security staff with him.

so when you have this information vacuum, this falls in a large part on the president's communication. >> but hold on, hold on. i mean, look, i could rebut a lot of what you just said. the president can't hand anybody over to the russians, despite what democrats keep saying. it doesn't work that way. it's ludicrous. but it's not my job to defend trump. i'm just asking, if you don't know what happened, why are you jumping to conclusions that he committed treason? that's what elected members of congress are saying. they're using the word treason. why wouldn't you try to overthrow him or hurt him, seriously? >> but remember this goes back to the concept of the buck stopping with the president. he has to use it not to bully people but to articulate a message to america. >> if i said, i don't agree with you. you've committed treason.

you're a traitor. what do you say to that? that's not the beginning of a conversation. that's a call far violence. >> what ends up happening is people accuse your client of everything under the sun in the indictment. but you argue back your point. >> well, he actually said that. >> he's not getting his messaging out. and when you leave this vacuum out there, that's when you have members of the republican party -- >>are you being serious? again -- whatever, i don't care about the -- everybody says, oh, the republicans say it, too. i couldn't be less impressed with them as a group. that means nothing to me. would you at least concede that calling someone a traitor is a conversation ender, not a starter, and maybe you should wait for evidence that a person

has betrayed his country before calling his a traitor. >> that's fair. but let's not pretend the last eight or fifteen years didn't happen. let's understand this discourse didn't start. >> no member of congress ever said that. okay. well, he did lie actually. but lying is very different than being called a sleeper cell. >> let's understand that the buck stops with the president in order to tamp these things down. have a conversation with the american people. the buck stops with you. you are the leader of the free world. >> i don't understand your point, but i -- right. i appreciate -- i appreciate part of what you're trying to say, but i don't understand the rest. it's nice to see you tonight. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> a professor at yale

university is now calling on fellow progressives to actively defy federal law by hiding illegal immigrants. he tweeted this recently. "we hide immigrants from i.c.e. if we have to. this would be civil disobedience rather than aiding and abetting criminal activity." this leads to a larger question of why we even bother to fund universities that are a joke. to the specifics of this case, how did he express this? what was the response? >> well, i asked a simple question. i am editor-in-chief. i'm a journalist. this is something that the left said is being attacked. so i asked the question, are you guys aiding and abetting? simple question. he in return blocked me and decided to go after my organization and say that we

should be on the list for the southern poverty loss center. it's that simple. >> the southern poverty loss -- that's the fake civil rights group that -- >>yeah. >> -- gets people banned, questions the free speech rights of people it disagrees with it. so he didn't respond at all. do you find it ironic that a law professor would be calling on his students to ignore the law? >> well, we couldn't find his actual law degree, so i don't even understand how he's teaching students about the law. it's crazy, tucker, because -- >>i'm sorry. what do you mean by that? you couldn't find his law degree. >> we could find his law degree, we couldn't find a jd behind his name, but he's teaching at the school. he must have a phd. he's not a lawyer.

we couldn't find it. unless he has records that are hidden. there's a lot of laws i don't like. i didn't like those. but i don't get to say, dea, i get to harbor and abet criminals. it just doesn't work that way. and so instead of him answering my question, he went after the president of our company because he's an old white man, and help didn't want to face the black man, the black reporter that asked him the question, "are you aiding and abetting?" just a simple question. but let's attack the old white guy. >> that's kryptonite for a guilty white liberal. that's hilarious. >> right. >> thank you very much. former secret service agent, frequent guest on the show. he's smart and concise and thinks stuff through. we've done a lot of things on

this topic but we're going to continue to. i'm not imagining the acceleration of the rhetoric. where are we on that continuum, do you think? >> yeah, i'm worried. we're past the event horizon right now. the reason i'm worried is i think what's going on here -- but in the past we've had kind of this iron triangle of activist groups, liberal politicians, and the media. and their tactic has been very strictly enforced gaslighting. repeat a narrative, whatever it is. repeat it confidently and isolate people from the truth by collectively reporting the narrative together. i think what's happening right now is trump just absolutely refuses to back down to this. he'll use his twitter account and he will not play the typical rhino game of the past where the

minute it comes out, he backs down. therefore, to wrap this up, he -- average levels of aggression aren't working. so they're going to hyper aggression at this point. and that's where we are now, which really worries me. >> but it's supposedly responsible people doing this. three times this week i thought, now if this were obama who went to helsinki and met with putin -- and i never liked obama. i thought he was bad for america. and all the sudden they called him a traitor. would i sit back and say, yeah, he's a traitor, or would i say, what do you mean by that? why are they sitting back and allowing the leaders of their party to say things that are totally reckless and insane, which they are? >> you saw in the opening segment with your debate with the liberal radio host.

these are false. they're utterly absurd. they believe this man is a fascist. it's nothing but critical theory that knowledges a construct of power kind of thing and we have to shut him down. it's not even worthy of debate. it's absolutely absurd and ridiculous. >> this russia story is making us all very dumb. i'm not going to be able to balance my checkbook by next week. thank you very much. good to see you. >> yes, sir. >> well, last night we broke the story that two sources say that tony podesta has been offered immunity. we have new developments in that story tonight. and that's after the break. for great deals on great gear.

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behind bars. well, maybe the answer is only one of them supported donald trump. we're happy to root out all the unregistered foreign agents in this country, but the law should apply the everybody. he's a former u.s. attorney for the district of columbia and he joins us tonight. as we said last night and i want to restate now, we spoke to two separate sources that tony podesta had been offered immunity by the mueller investigation in exchange for testifying against manafort. if that is true, what does it mean? >> it means that the mueller investigation has now reached a level of debasement akin to the ninth level of hell in dante's inferno. it also means that if you're a democrat, you get a pass. there are two standards of justice in this town being carried out by the department of

justice under both administrations and the fbi under both administration. the fbi and doj under obama gave hillary clinton a pass. they found her innocent when in fact she had violated the law. they immunized her lawyers, staff, and people who bleached her computer. all of them were democrats. and now in the prosecution of paul manafort, who do they immunize first? the person who broke the law. and what does bob mueller do first? he immunizes a guilty democrat. >> so give us some perspective on the foreign agent registration act. seven people were prosecuted under it in 50 years. in the past year, we've had three people prosecuted under it, all connected to donald

trump. does this seem like selective enforcement of the law to you. >> now doubt it does. what you are seeing rolled out now by robert mueller, the esteemed mr. mueller, is the degradation of the federal criminal law enforcement process. and you can thank rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general who set up this phony investigation, and christopher wray who is allowing this to happen. this is an embarrassment to federal law enforcement. every fbi agent, every doj lawyer who's worth his or her salt knows what you're watching is a debasement to federal enforcement. the truth is mueller has stayed too long at the fair. >> thank you very much.

he has been around the block in this russian nonsense and he joins us tonight. michael, what is your response the news again from two sources telling us podesta has been offered immunity in order to testify against manafort? >> it's completely disgusting, tucker. i can't think of another word for it. this is very clearly partisan. podesta didn't just represent the ukrainians and didn't register for them. that's like representing directly vladimir putin. he's putin's hip pocket bank. from my perspective, they're probably giving him immunity not just because he can do something to hurt manafort because they certainly don't want him talking about uranium one. if there was somebody in washington representing the

russians in 2016, it was podesta. and by the way, there are 17 democrats who registered for russian companies that were connected to the kremlin or actually registered to represent the kremlin. and those are just the ones who are registered. as you know, washington is lousy of doing the bidding of foreign companies without registering. >> yeah, they're literally everywhere, which is why to see the law applied in the way it has been in the last year is just be willedwildering. this is genuinely shocking. >> i think they hit it on the head. >> yeah, go ahead. >> yeah, i think you hit it on the head. it only matters if you know donald trump. i mean, certainly lobbying for

foreign countries is completely legal in the united states, but if you do it and you work for donald trump or you knew donald trump, you're headed for problems. >> as far as i can tell, the biggest and most effective foreign lobbyists in washington are not registered. hopefully that will change. great to see you. well, in cities across america, the more liberal the more likely this is to be. why is that not a threat to democracy? if russians influencing our elections bad, why is foreigners from latin america influencing our elections not bad? we'll answer that question.

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>> tucker: as r >>as recently as a few years ago, there were progressives who at least gave lip service to the idea of securing the border. the new policy is to abolish i.c.e. border enforcement, make every city a sanctuary city and give immigrants welfare benefits and the right to vote. they say it isn't interfering in our elections. that's only what incompetent russians do on facebook. it's something better than that. it's the next frontier in civil rights. so, ethan, this is a question

i've been asking. why is it wrong for non-citizens from russia to play a role in our electoral process but okay for non-citizens from other countries to play a role in our electoral process? both seem wrong to me. >> totally separate issues. the russians are actually attacking us, undermining not only the election systems themselves but the integrity of our federal elections. what we're talking about in cities like san francisco is allowing immigrants here to vote for the local school board where we need them to be participating and being active for a positive outcome. >> wait a second, hold on. no, you don't know that. the russians who hacked our election, living here, some of them. you can have russian agents living in the united states and they have a vested interest in the government of the united states and they're trying to

affect the outcome of an election that determines who leaves the united states. somehow it's not cool because they're russian or don't vote democrat. what is the difference? honestly, i'm confused. >> they're actively attacking the databases of our local and state elections, they're actually attempting to interfere, that is ultimately and fundamentally different than somebody who came here for a job that was brought here by an employer. >> oh, because they're -- first, they weren't brought here by employers. but hold on, i'm still confused. so the government of mexico encourages people to come to the united states illegally and vote. they do. they say it outloud. that's okay with you because

why? it's a foreign government and they're seeking to influence our elections, but you're okay with that because why? >> no. because on federal elections, that's against federal law to vote if you're not a citizen. >> i've never heard a single liberal complain about it. >> i only want citizens to vote in federal elections per federal law. in local issues we have horrible participation by americans. and this is evidenced in a study. horrible turnout and it's basically old wealthy white people who show up to vote. that's plantation-style politics. >> oh, it's white people. it really wouldn't be a conversation with a liberal unless they had some casual racism in there attacking a group. we had a whole civil rights movement against it, but we're for it now. okay.

yeah, the data shows that the left is casually racist in almost every conversation you have with them and no one seems to notice except me. it's so weird. but let's just get back to the topic, which is the line between legitimate voting and illegitimate voting. a lot of us believed that citizenship conferred the right to choice your government. the left is now saying that's not true. people who are national citizens of other countries get to control our government. okay. but only when the outcome helps democrats. that is literally the position of the democratic party. and i'm just saying that's totally indefensible on logical grounds. i just want you to acknowledge that i'm right. >> no, because federal law prohibits non-citizens from voting in a federal election. you can't vote for president, or a congressperson or senator if you're not a citizen. >> would you be cool with

russians voting in a school board election? >> if they are here and they have children enrolled in this school district, yes, of course. >> that's not a requirement for the election, as you know. yeah. okay. >> but we know the data again shows that kids have a much better outcome in educational setting when the parents are involved. if we can get better parent involvement, the kids do better. we want them to have better outcomes. >> and that is the goal. great to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> well, one professor wants america to shut down colleges. he says our universities are not worth saving because they are that corrupt. he joins us next. ed dry mouth. biotène is clinically proven to soothe and moisturize a dry mouth.

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[chanting] >>jason hill is a professor of philosophy at depaul university. but if we followed his advice, he could soon be unemployed. he said that universities -- and he's worked in them for a long time -- have become so overwhelmed by identity politics, socialism, anti-americanism and dumbness aren't worth saving. he's also the author of the book "we have overcome." he joins us now. thank you for coming on tonight. you basically seem to have concluded after years of working

right in the middle of it that the system is beyond saving. i think so. i think these scholars have basically hijacked the system and are indoctrinated our students. i think we're seeing a correlation also between the anti-free speech movements that have been accelerating across campuses and the ideologies taking root in the classrooms, the cultural relativism, the revolt against the western canon, the cultivation of different perspectives. in my book i go into some more details about how to address

this dilemma in the academy. >> well, within the confines of a cable news segment, sum it up for us. what do you think the solution is? >> i think the solution is the federal government to stop funding universities that are n indoctrinated our students. i think it's also time for alumni donors to start with drawing their funds or if they're funding universities to start affixing conditions to their funding. you would be surprised at the extent they give millions of dollars with no strings attached. start saying, if i'm donating $10 million or $100,000, i need conservative values taught.

but we need values and scholarship -- proper scholarship that are -- >>professor, thank you for that. and, again, i would encourage our viewers tonight to look you up, to look at what you've written and your book. i thought it was remarkable and brave. so godspeed. >> thank you. >> thank you. well, the age of baby boys and baby girls appears to have come to a close. the most avant-garde parents now raising babies. they don't have a gender. how does that work? raising them. ♪ when i touch you like this

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>>having a baby used to be a straightforward proposition. you could have a boy or a girl. but now there's a third option. it's called steep civilizational decline. a handful of parents across america are deliberately keeping their sex ending. with the idea being that only the baby should decide if they're girls or boys. we called our interpreter of all things progressive. so, cathy, it goes without saying you're for this, of course. but doesn't this mean if you're going to raise a baby, how would you be able to change your child's diaper.

you would no longer be able to pretend? >> it's not about pretending. the parent knows the gender. it's about not necessarily labeling the baby. it's about allowing the baby to decide what gender that baby wants to be when that baby can decide, which is around 4 years old. so from 0 to 4, tbabe will not e labeled. the baby will be a baby, neither a boy or a girl. >> what other profound life decisions do we think people ought to be making at the age of 4? are there any others? whether to get a tattoo, whether to get married, enlisting in the military? anything else we think 4-year-olds are ready to decide? >> this isn't actually a profound life decision. i mean, biologicially there's

nothing going on from 0 to 4 in that area that affects a person's life. biologicially experts say that boys and girls, all genders are alike. the male brain might be a little larger. the female's language might be a little more advanced maybe. >> slow down. boys brains are larger. and i just want to say that kind of toxic masculinity has no place on this program. thank you very much. but the bottom line is all they can think of is difference in brain size, genitalia, bone structure. just minor things like that. not perhaps, like factually. those are not minor things. those are definitive things. why would you not tell your kids about that? at some point they're going to look down and say, wait, we look different. and you're going to be like, no,

you don't. you're exactly the same. >> that's when the child is around 4 years old. so around 0 to 4, we're not going to say to a little female girl that you're a little princess, or boy, you're such a tiger. the labels are gone. you're not going to put that outside influence on a child. you're just going to be neutral. everything is going to be neutral. >> the influence of biological reality. >> not reality, perception. >> no, but could we decide that we're not going to acknowledge temperature or weather or traffic? and you could just say, you know what, i don't think it's raining outside. or you can decide whether it's raining outside. i mean, the weather man says it is, that there's snow on the ground. you know what i mean? the weatherman says it's 15 degrees out but i'm going to make up my own reality. no, we acknowledge biology and nature as real, right?

>> but the biology -- the parents who came out with this and started this baby awareness, this gender-neutral awareness for babies basically said, why should people be so obsessed if your baby is going to be a boy or a girl? who cares about that area? we're bringing a little human into the world. who cares about the genitalia? who cares? >> this isn't just my opinion but the opinion of every person who's ever lived going back let's just say 10,000 years. because men and women are different in key ways. >> babies aren't different. >> yeah, they are. >> they're little human beings and there's really not much of a different between different genders, no. there is no difference. and men and women we would say are equal. >> i'm trying to laugh so i don't cry.

cathy, you can be equal but different, which they are. great to see you. >> good to see you. >> thank you. turns out -- and this is not as important as vladimir putin, but ufos are real actually. the government thinks they are. they're more common than we thought. and they may be a threat. one of the world's great experts on these questions joins us next. at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2018 rx 350 and rx 350 awd for these terms. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. we stand for the traditions we inherited and that we must pass on.

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>> tucker: well, for decades, only crack pots and crazy people believed in u.f.o.s. that's what i thought, anyway. in recent years, it turns t out that governments have been taking them seriously all along. very seriously. nick pope is a journalist who has spent years researching u.f.o.s for the british government and he says that u.f.o.s aren't just real, they frequently come close to crashing into commercial airliners among other things. nick joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. so it's really not a question of do governments believe

u.f.o.s are real? yes, they do. united states government does, british government does. but do they have any idea where they are or where they are from? >> we don't. we keep an open mind on it. we don't rule anything off. take nothing off the table with this. our point really is that whatever these things turn out to be, there is a serious defense, national security and air safety issue here. >> tucker: yes. that is where my interest comes from. so why aren't governments encouraging the population to, as they say they about terrorism, if you see something, say something? report sightings to the government so we can make sense of the potential threat? >> they should be. that is what we certainly did at the ministry of defense for many years. we took it very seriously. our own pilots were seeing these things. we were having radar operators track them.in i we knew again, through

intelligence and through open source material, we knew that the russians and the chinese and others were working on this, too. the problem was that just the pop culture baggage from the term "u.f.o., flying saucer, little green men," peoplerm don't take it seriously. but they should. >> tucker: so we've ruled out i think that these are experimental aircraft or technically advanced aircraft from other countries.r is that true?y >> well, no, we keep an open mind, as i say. some of these things probably are russian or chinese. whoever it is. but that is the point. we must find out. if there is something in our air space, we need to know. for years, governments said they didn't do it. they did. i did it for the british government. i can only talk about it now because my old employers are decreasing information and declassifying information about my old job.

we now know the pentagon had a program, too.t i think it will take congressional hearings to get to the bottom of all this. not just in the united states but all around the world. i'd like to see the congressional hearings. tl >> tucker: commercial pilots have very often reported sighting objects in the air that seem to defy the laws of physics. to what extend are these objects a threat to commercial aviation potentially? >> certainly, the british ministry of defense and our civil aviation authority, the u.k. equivalent of your f.a.a. have dozens of cases in our files about near-misses. some of which where pilots had to take evasive action. it comes back to the point, i p don't care in one sense what these things are but when there is a flight safety concern, when we have these near-misses we sure as heck should be doing more to find out. >> tucker: that's for sure. nick pope, really one of the most credible experts on this subject.

i hope you will come back on the show. i appreciate it. good to see you.ou >> thank you. >> tucker: that is it for us tonight and every night of the week. the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity and smugness. see you monday. >> jeanine: welcome to the special edition of "hannity: the intolerant left." i'm jeanine pirro in for sean. tonight we look at the extreme measures that the media will take to malign president trump and everyone who supports him. but first, i want to address my recent appearance on "the view" to discuss my new book. "liars, leakers and liberals" and the events that followed. much has been said between what took place between me and whoopie goldberg on and off the set. tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m., i will address everything that