promote my new book. sean is back monday. have a great weekend. jason chaffetz is up next business network. tucker is up next. have a great weekend. >> tucker: good evening. welcome to tucker carlson. an angry mob gathered in downtown tehran yesterday attacking the united states. protesters stole an american flag from a nearby vehicle and set itscreaming, stealing flag-burning mob was there to express their support for congressman maxine waters. waters inspired them with

rhetoric like this. >> you see them in a restaurant, an apartment store a gasoline station, you get out and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere. >> tucker: meanwhile, elsewhere in los angeles, a newly opened coffee shop was attacked by mass protesters that hurled feces at the building. they said the owner supports donald trump's immigration policies. as it happens, the owner is himself an immigrant. i'm confused, he said. it didn't matter. on the left, quite some time.

[chanting]. >> shame on you! shame on you! >> tucker: we first saw this on college campuses where student activists demonstrated about new ideas they didn't understand. over time though, the protests became physical and dangerous. windows smashed, fires set, people beaten and threatened with death. in the past few months, it seemed like that moved off campus into our world. the left began threatening trump administration officials that dared to appear in public kicking

it's the opposite of freedom. the fall elections are less than four months from today. tempers will rise higher than they are now. that is guaranteed. something awful could easily happen. now, right now is the time for progressive leaders to douse the fires that they set to calm their inflamed supporters. it's vital they do that. yet they're doing the opposite. now they're telling their followers that the president of the united states is a russian spy, a traitor. the penalty for treason is death. traitors must be overthrown. the mob screams wild with rage. democrats are banking that that rage will get their voters to the polls in november and they may be right. it may. it may also destroy the country

itself. its symbols, the chant america was never great. your founding fathers owned slaves. why attack the whole country? >> you can find extremists on the left and right that do things anti-american. the same way you have the protesters, you'll have the charlottesville protesters on the other hand. i don't support any of these people. if you don't like america, get out. if you're neo-nazi -- >> tucker: i have no problem with that. hold on. i think it's a fair point. the scale is very different. you have the charlottesville riot or whatever it was last august. a year ago. you haven't seen anything like that since. the nfl has been in a continuous controversy over kneeling during the national anthem. an attack on a national symbol. left wing protests routinely contain attacks on the country. the t-shirts, your country was

never great, is for sale online. so is the hat. what is that about? i'm not saying there's no conservatives that don't hate america but a lot on the left that do. they're open about it. why? why don't leaders say anything about it? >> leaders do and it's easy to find the clips of the most crazy, most extreme elements of the political discourse. most people protest saying we want reasonable policies that americans can unite around. this falls on the president. president truman had a placard that said "the buck stops here." that's what the president says. he has to bring people together. you bring together the stakeholders, you hammer out an immigration reform bill. you bring it before the american people and discuss it and that will tamp down these protests. believing this vacuum of information where people think that children are being

kidnapped, that's not going to work. >> tucker: okay. so i agree with a lot of what you're saying actually. i do want a rationale conversation about what is best for the country. i try to do that every night. it's hard to do that though when people say, not just random protesters in front of a doughnut shop in west l.a., but i don't know, the ranking members on the democratic side of the house and senate are calling the president of the united states a traitor. someone that has committed treason a death penalty offense. if you believe the president was a russian agent as elected members have congress have said today, how could you do anything but try to overthrow him? that's not a predicate for reasonable discussion, is it? >> absolutely not. what has to happen is the president hasn't explained what the point of the meeting with putin was, why there was no other members of the intelligence community or national security staff with him. why he offered to have russians interrogate american citizens.

when you have this information vacuum that falls on the president's communications team for -- >> tucker: hold on. i can rebut a lot of what you said. the president can't hand anybody over to the russians despite what the democrats say. it's not allowed. are you going to inject them with barbiturates? it's not my job to defend trump. if you don't know what happened, why are you jumping to the conclusion that he committed treason? that's what elected members of congress are saying. they're using the word "treason". if you believe he commit treason why wouldn't you overthrow him or hurt him? >> remember, this goes back to the concept of the buck stopping with the president. he has to use his bully pulpit not to bully people but to articulate a message to america. >> tucker: what do you say. if i say if i don't agree with you, you've committed treason,

your a traitor a sleeper cell for an enemy what do you say to that? honestly. that's not the beginning of a conversation. that is being -- that's a call for violence. >> look, tucker, i practice criminal defense every day. people accuse their client under everything under the sun in the indictment. you argue back your point. >> tucker: you said that -- >> he's not getting his messaging out. when you leave this vacuum, that's when -- >> tucker: are you being serious? again, i -- whatever. i don't care about the -- everybody says oh, the republicans him a traitor?

is that fair? >> that's fair. let's not pretend that the last eight years for last 15 years didn't happen. people claim that obama was a kenyan part of a sleeper cell sent here. this discourse didn't start with trump. >> nobody said that, no member of congress. no member of congress said that. lying is very different from being called a sleeper cell. >> while being a private citizen, president trump talked about birtherism for years. have a conversation with the american people. that's -- the buck stops with you. you are the leader of the free world. >> tucker: i don't understand your point, but i -- i appreciate part of what you're trying to say but i don't understand the rest. robert, thanks for coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: professor at yale university, which is like an ivy

league school that people once upon a time considered impressive but smart peopler no longer do is calling on fellow progressives by hiding illegal immigrants. greg gonsolvez. he said "we hide immigrants from ice if we have to." the professor says this would be civil disobedience. lawrence jones has been following us and joins us tonight. lawrence, this leads to a larger question of why we fund universities. they're a joke. we're getting to that lawyter o. how did he address this? >> i asked a simple question. i'm a journalist, this is

something that the left said is being attacked. i asked the question, are you guys aiding and abetting? he block me and decided to go after my organization and said we should be on the list for the southern poverty law center. that simple. >> tucker: that's the fake civil rights group that gets people banned, crushes the free speech right to people they disagree with. i'm familiar with them. so he didn't respond at all. do you find in a meaningful way, do you find it ironic that a law professor would be calling on his students to ignore the law? >> well, we couldn't find his actual law degree, so i mean, i don't even understand how he's teaching students about the law. you know, it's crazy, tucker. >> tucker: what do you -- what do you mean by that? you couldn't find his law degree? >> we couldn't find a j.d. behind his name but he's teaching at the school. so he must have didn't like tho.

but i don't say dea. it doesn't work. so -- instead of him answering my question, he went after the president of our company because he's and old white man. he didn't want to face the black reporter that asked the question, are you aiding and abetti abetting? >> tucker: that's kryptonite for a guilty white liberal. >> right. >> tucker: thanks, lawrence. good to see you i. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: dan bongino is a former secret service agent and nypd officer. frequent guest on the show. he's smart and concise and thinks stuff through. so dan, we've done a bunch of shows on this topic. we'll continue to. i'm not imagining the worried,

what is going on here -- i'm not trying to be an amateur socialologist. we've had this activist groups, liberal politicians and the media. their tactic has been very strictly enforced gas lighting. repeat a narrative, however false it is, republicans, racist, massagists. we've heard them all. i think what is happening right now is trump just absolutely refuses to back down to this. he will use his twitter account, he will use the bully pulpit of the white house and not play the rhino game of the past where the minute the r word on the m word

he backs down to wrap this up, average levels of aggression aren't working, tucker. so instead of dialling it back, they're going to like hyper aggression at this point. that's where we are now, which really worries me. >> tucker: supposedly -- twice three times this week, i thought if this were obama who went to helsinki and met with putin and i never liked obama. i thought he was bad for america. all of a sudden republican leaders are calling him a traitor, would i say yeah, he's a traitor or would i say what do you mean by that? where are the responsible people on the left. it's okay to not like trump. i get it. but why do they allow the leaders to say things that are reckless and insane, which they are? >> tucker, the agenda of the base to such a point -- you saw it in the opening segment with your debate with the liberal radio hosts.

they gender up the base to believe these are things. these are absurd. the fact that we're repeating them, we lost ten i.q. points talking about that. but they believe this man is a fascist. it's nothing but critical theory. you know, that acknowledges a construct of power kinds of thing. this -- we have to shut him down. it's not worthy of debate. the response is the only response if you believe trump is a fascist, which is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. >> tucker: this russia story is making us all dumb. i'm not going to be able to balance my checkbook. dan, thanks very much. good to see you. >> yes, sir. >> tucker: last night we broke the story that two sources say that tony podesta has been offered immunity from prosecution in return for testimony against paul man ford. we have new developments. that's after the break. ♪motorcycle revving

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maybe the answer is one of them supported donald trump. we're happy to root out the unregistered foreign agents but the law should apply to everyon everyone. joe, as we said last night, i want to restate, we spoke to two separate sources that told us, close to this question, that tony podesta, had been offered immunity by the mueller investigation in exchange for testifying against paul manafort. if that is true, what does that mean? >> it means that if you're a democrat, you get a pass. there's two standards of justice in this town being carried out by the department of justice under both administrations, and

the fbi under both administrations. the fbi and the doj under obama gave hillary clinton a pass. they ignored criminal violations and found her innocent when in fact she had violated the law. they immunized the lawyers, the staff and those that bleached her computers. and now paul manafort. who do you that immunize first? what does bob buehler do? he immunizes a guilty democrat. >> tucker: 50 years between 1966 and 2016. seven people were prosecuted under. does this seem like selective

enforcement of the law to you? >> no doubt that it does. even though it's technically in the power of a prosecutor to make these decisions what you're seeing rolled out now by robert mueller, the extremed mr. mueller, is the degradation of the federal criminal law enforcement process. you can thank rod rosenstein who set up this phony investigation and christopher wray, the current fbi director who has never once put on his big boy pants and is allowing this to happen. this is an embarrassment to federal law enforcement. every fbi agent, every doj lawyer knows that what your watching is a debasement of federal law enforcement. ought to be an embarrassment to mueller but the truth is mueller stayed too long at the fair. >> tucker: joe degenova.

thanks very much. and michael, thanks for joining us. what is your response to the news sources tells us that tony podesta has been offered immunity in order to testify against paul manafort? what would that mean if true? >> completely disgusting, tucker. i can't think of another word for it. this is very clearly partisan. tony podesta didn't just represent the ukrainians and didn't register for them, he registered for uranium one. he represented sparabunk, which is like representing vladimir putin. sparabunk is vladimir putin's hip pocket bank. from my perspective, they're probably giving him immunity, not just because he can do something to hurt paul manafort but because they don't want him talking about uranium one and sparabunk. if there's somebody in washington representing the russians in 2016, it was tony

podesta. by the way, tucker, there's 17 democrats that registered for russia companies that were connected to the kremlin or actually registered to represent the kremlin. those are the ones that were registered, as you know.washington is lousy with people doing the bidding of foreign countries without registering. >> tucker: yeah. they're everywhere. they're on my street and every street in the city. that's why to see the pharaoh law applied the way it's been. i'm not against it. i don't think people should lobby for foreign governments route registering. to see it applied to one side is genuinely shocking. >> i think you hit it on the head. >> tucker: yeah. go ahead. >> i think you hit it on the head. a pharaoh only matters if you know donald trump. lobbying for foreign countries

is legal in the united states. but if you do it and you work for donald trump or you knew donald trump, you're headed for problems. >> as far as i can tell, the biggest and most effective foreign lobbyists are not register. maybe that will change. hope so. thanks, michael. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: thanks. in cities across america, the more liberal, the more likely this is to be. illegal immigrants are getting voting rights. why is that not a threat to american democracy? if russians influencing our election is bad, why are foreigners influencing our elections not bad? we'll ask that question. when my hot water heater failed, she was pregnant, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do.

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>> tucker: as recently as two years years ago, progressives took lip service to securing the border. now the idea is dead and the grave is bulldozed. now the new policy to abolish ice, maybe every city a sanctuary city and give every illegal welfare benefits and the right to vote. don't worry. importing new millions of noncitizens are not interfering in our elections. that's only what incompetent russians do on facebook. it's better than that. it's the next frontier in civil rights. so ethan, this is a question i've been asking to a number of

my progressive friends in the last 48 hours. why is it wrong for noncitizens from are russia to play a role in our electoral process, but okay for noncitizens from other countries to play a role in our electoral process? both seem wrong to me. >> totally separate issues. the russians are attacking us undermining not only the election systems themselves but the integrity of our federal election. what we're talking about in san francisco is allowing immigrants that are here, have children in schools, paying taxes to vote for the local school board where we need them to be participating and being active -- >> tucker: wait a second. the russians that hacked our election, living here some of them. you can have russian agents in the united states and they have a vested interest in the government of the united states and they're trying to affect the outcome of an election that

determines who leads the united states. so by the standards that you just set out, that's cruel. but it's not cruel because they're russian or they don't vote democrat? i'm confused. >> yeah, the difference is clear and significant. gru intelligence officers operating out of a data center in moscow who are actively attacking the databases of our local and state elections, actually attempting to interfere with our command and control systems for our control infrastructure. that is fundamentally different than someone that came here for a job and have kids in school -- >> tucker: first of all, they weren't brought here by employers. that's not true. so i'm confused. the government of mexico encouraging people to come to the united states illegally and vote. they do. they say it out loud. that's okay with you why? because a foreign government

that has different interests of those in the united states, hostile to the united states and seeking to influence our elections. you're okay with that because why? >> no. because on federal elections, it's against federal law to vote if you're not a citizen. look what happens -- >> tucker: i've never heard a liberal complain about it. >> i only want citizens to vote in federal elections per federal law. in local issues, we have horrible participation by americans, this evidenced in a portland state study. it's plantation style politics -- >> tucker: it's white people. okay. it wouldn't be a conversation with a liberal unless they had some casual racism in there. >> that is a fact. data shows -- >> tucker: we had a whole civil rights movement against it but we're for it now. i get it. >> let me just -- >> tucker: the data shows that

the left is casually racist in almost every conversation you have with them and nobody notices it except me. so weird. very quickly let's get back to the topic, which is the line between legitimate voting and ill legitimate voting. a lot of us believe that citizenship conferred the right to choose your government. that's what democracy is saying. the left is saying that's not true. foreign nationals get to control our government. okay. but only when the outcome helps democrats. that is literally the position of the democratic party. i'm just saying, that's totally indefensible on logical grounds, not that logic matters. i want you to acknowledge that i'm right. >> no, federal law prohibits noncitizens from voting in a federal election. you can't vote for president or a congress person or senatefer you're not a citizen. >> tucker: would you be cool with russians hacking --

russians voting in a school board election? >> if they were here and have children enrolled in that school district, yes, of course. >> tucker: that's not a requirement for the election, as you know. >> but we know the data, again, shows that kids have a better outcome in educational setting when kids are involved and if get better -- >> tucker: american citizens. >> the kids do better. when you round up and shipping them back where they came from, we want them to have better outcomes. >> tucker: and that is the goal. ethan, great to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: one college professor wants america to shut down colleges. le says the universities are not worth saving because they're that corrupt. he joins us next to explain what he's learned over decades working there (woman) so beautiful. (man) beautiful just like you. (woman) oh, why thank you. [both scream] (burke) coupe soup. and we covered it.

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. >> tucker: jason hill is a professor of philosophy at depaul university. if we followed his advice, he could soon be unemployed. he published a remarkable piece saying universities and he's worked for them a long time are so overwhelmed by socialism, anti-americanism and dumbness that they're beyond saving. he suggested that taxpayers and donors pull the funding for the betterment of the country. he's piece is that good and you should read it. professor, thanks for joining us. did i misread what you row? you have concluded after years of working in the middle of it

that the system is beyond saving? >> i think so. i think these bolshevik loving welfare scholars have hijacked the system and indoctrinating our students with anti-american sentiment but what goes against capitolism, free speech. we're seeing a correlation between the anti-free speech movement that have been accelerating across campuses and the ideologies that are taking root in the classrooms, the cultural relativism, the revolt against the western canon and the cultivation of different perspectives. i think that we're not beyond repair. i think there's a solution. in my book, we have -- i go into more details about how we can address this dilemma in the academy. >> tucker: within the confines

of a cable news segment, sum it up for us. what is the solution? >> the solution is for the federal government to stop funding universities that are spewing anti-american sentiment, indoctrinating students and who are not used to the perspectives outside of their own and supposed to be getting a critical education. i think it's also time for alumni donor to start withdrawing fund or if they're funding universities to start affixing conditions to their funding. you'd be surprised. donors give millions and millions with no strings attached, no conditions attached. saying if i donate $10 million, i need conservative values taught. not cultural marxism and values

that are against americaism. we need values and scholarships that with against the nonsense on campus today. >> tucker: professor, thank you for that. i'd encourage viewers to look you up. godspeed. >> thank you. >> tucker: thank you. the age of baby boys and baby girl as peers to have come to a close. the most avante-garde parents the most avante-garde parents raising them.

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>> tucker: having a baby used to be straightforward. you could have a boy or a girl. but now there's a third option. it's called steep civilizational decline, a handful of parents across america are keeping their children's sex hidden and raising so-called theybys. they say the children should decide whether they're boys or girls without the pesky biological reality getting in the way. it's real confusing. so we called in our interpreter of all things progressive, our liberal sherpa, kathy arue. you're for this, of course. >> yep. >> tucker: but doesn't it mean if you raise a baby, how would you change your child's diaper? the second you did that, there's

no long area question whether it's a boy or a girl. you'd know. >> it's not about pretending. the parent knows the gender. it's about not necessarily labelling the baby. it's aallowing the baby to decide what gender that baby wants to be when they can decide, whether they're about 4 years old. 0-4, the baby will not be labelled. the labelling theory will not a play. the will will will be a theyby, neither a boy or girl. >> tucker: what other profound life decisions do we think people ought to be making at the age of 4? are there any other? whether to get a tattoo, get married, smoking vodka, marchboro reds. anything else that we think that 4-year-olds are ready to decide? >> in is not a profound life decision. >> tucker: yeah. >> there's nothing really going on from 0-4 in that area that

affects a person's life lie logically. the experts say that boys and girls, all genders are along. the boy's brain, the male brain might be larger. the female's language might be more advanced. >> tucker: no sexism on my show. >> sorry. >> tucker: like boys brains are larger that kind of toxic masculinity has no place on this program. >> sorry. >> tucker: the bottom line is, all they can think of difference in brain size, different in genitalia -- >> perhaps. minor. >> tucker: minor things like that. >> yeah, yeah. >> tucker: not perhaps. like factually. so those are not minor things. those are definitive things. >> minor. >> tucker: why wouldn't you tell your kid about this? at some point they say we look different. you're like no, you don't, you're exactly the same. it's lying, isn't it? >> that's when they say the

child is around 4 years old. 0 to 4, we're not going to say to a little female girl that you're little princess or your boy, you're a tiger. the labels are gone. you're not going to put that outside influence on a child. they're going to be neutral. everything will be neutral. >> tucker: the outside influence of biological reality. could we decide we're not going to acknowledge temperature? or weather? or traffic? you can just say, you know what? i don't think it's raining outside. you can decide whether it's raining outside. the weather man says it is. that there's snow on the ground. or the weather -- you know what i mean? the weather man says it's 15 degrees out. i'm going to -- you know what i mean? i'm going to make up my own reality.

biology and nature is real. >> the parents that came out with this and starting this theybys awareness said why should people be so obsessed if your baby is going to be a boy or a girl. >> who cares about that area? it's a little human. we're bringing a little human into the world. who cares about the genitalia? who cares? >> tucker: i might suggest why. this is the person that of every person who has ever lived for 10 years. because member and women are completely different in key ways. >> babies? >> tucker: can we not say that? >> babies aren't different. they're little human beings. there's really not much of a difference between different genders. no. there's no difference in men and women that we would -- >> tucker: i'm trying to laugh so i didn't cry.

cathy, great to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: turns out, and this is not important as vladimir putin, but ufos are real actually. the government believes they are. they're far more common than we thought and they may be a threat to commercial aviation. one of the world's great experts joins us next. experience the great lengths we go to in testing our performance line, at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2018 is 300 and is 300 awd for these terms. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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crazy people believed in u.f.o.s. that's what i thought, anyway. in recent years, it turns out that governments have been taking them seriously all along. very seriously. nick pope is a journalist who has spent years researching u.f.o.s for the british government and he says that u.f.o.s aren't just real, they frequently come close to crashing into commercial airliners among other things. nick joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. so it's really not a question of do governments believe u.f.o.s are real? yes, they do. united states got does, british government does. but do they have any idea where they are or where they are from? >> we don't. we keep an open mind on it. we don't rule anything off. take nothing off the table with this. our point really is that whatever these things turn out to be, there is a serious defense, national security and air safety issue here.

>> tucker: yes. that is where my interest comes from. so why aren't governments encouraging the population to, as say they about terrorism, if you see something, say something? report sightings to the government so we can make sense of the potential threat? >> they should be. that is what we certainly did at the ministry of defense for many years. we took it very seriously. our own pilots were seeing these things. we were having radar operators track them. we knew again, through intelligence and through open source material, we knew that the russians and the chinese and others were working on this, too. the problem was that just the pop culture baggage from the term "u.f.o., flying saucer, little green men," people don't take it seriously. but they should. >> sean: -->> -- >> tucker: so we've ruled out i think that these are experimental aircraft or technically advanced aircraft from other countries. is that true?

>> well, no, we keep an open mind, as i say. some of these things probably are russian or chinese. whoever it is. but that is the point. we must find out. if there is something in our air space, we need to know. for years, governments said they didn't do it. they did. i worked for the british government. i can only talk about it now because my old employers are decreasing information and declassifying information about my old job. the pentagon had a program, too. i think it will take congressional hearings to get to the bottom of all this. not just in the united states but all around the world. i'd like to see the congressional hearings. >> tucker: commercial pilots have very often reported sighting objects in the air that seem to defy the laws of physics. to what extend are these objects a threat to commercial aviation potentially? >> certainly, the british ministry of defense and our

civil aviation authority, the u.k. equivalent of your f.a.a. have dozens of cases in our files about near-misses. some of which where pilots had to take evasive action. it comes back to the point, i don't care in one sense what these things are but when there is a flight safety concern, when we have these near-misses we sure as heck should be doing more to find out. >> tucker: that's for sure. nick pope, really one of the most credible experts on this subject. i hope you will come back on the show. i appreciate it. good to see you. >> thank you. >> tucker: that is it for us tonight and every night of the week. the sworn enemy of ♪ [national anthem]

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