abby: we gave her popsicles. all right tomorrow on the show we have the dad that delivered the baby in the chick-fil-a bathroom you don't want to miss it have a great saturday. neil: forget what they told reporters now, democrats are demanding to know what donald trump and vladimir putin told each other, the push by the left to make a private conversation public, and if those guys won't talk, grab the notes from anyone who was in the room when they did talk, or better yet, drag the interpreter in the room to washington to make sure she does talk. don't laugh, some democrats are serious and leon ponetta can sympathize, we've never demanded such a thing from any president in the past he says our very national security hangs in the balance if we don't force the issue with this president now. he is here to explain, and you might say house homeland

security chairman mike mccaul is here to walk a tight rope. no fan of the president's performance in helsinki but hell if he is for revealing everything these guys talked about in helsinki but if you really want to get the chairman going, just mention what democrats told this week on i.c.e. let's just say their bark doesn't match their bite so let's also just say the chairman is here to, well, fight back. the weird story behind 133 house democrats voting present on a measure supporting i.c.e. and the fiery response from the guy who used to run i.c.e. because he is here, and is it us or is it alexander cortez everywhere? today, in st. louis, at a fundraiser, continuing what some are calling her left wing push. die hards love her, others fear the democrats die if the party becomes her, we debate, you decide because it is all happening right now and we are

all over it, every bit of it right now, because guess what? cavuto live starts right now. really, what did they say? democrats are demanding to know everything and they mean every little word the president said in private when he was meeting with vladimir putin. former clinton chief of staff leon ponetta is one of them. >> i think it's very difficult to go ahead with another meeting neil: why would that matter? well wait a minute. when bill clinton met with others in the past have met one on one, with soviet later the russian leaders, why should that be given to the world anyway especially those private conversations? >> neil, the president of the united states represents the people of our country and our

national security. when the president sits down with an adversary i think the american people are entitled to know what that president discussed, particularly with putin and russia. neil: did bill clinton share every, i'm sorry to keep but this is an important point. everyone is telling on the president on this particular aspect and whether the countdown , we don't know what happened but having said that, why would you want to share that and why would you want to get into the details of that and when bill clinton would meet privately, i don't remember the world's jumping to find out what they were discussing when they were on a bench in hyde park at the roosevelt estate so that's why i'm asking are we being fair because a lot of colleagues are saying not only that we want to get the interpreter whose in that room later on and question her. that's a very slippery slope, even interpreters in the past are saying that's nuts. >> you know, neil let's just

talk about the basics here. the president of the united states for the first time has a meeting with putin of russia, and russia is not our friend. they do everything they can to undermine our security in this country. if they have that kind of meeting, i think the president owes it to the american people to talk about what was discussed at that meeting, period. neil: i don't know if that's end of story, period. well many republicans and this reporter have been critical of the way the president performed in helsinki, it is quite another leap to go so far as requesting notes, talking to an interpreter from that meeting so it's a dangerous president and precedent for presidents going forward. republican and democrat-elect the read from presidential historian doug weed, be careful what you wish for especially if the democrat becomes president and they would then rule the day when republicans are demanding notes and every other little detail that comes to meetings with other leaders what do you make of it? >> yeah, that's the whole point

and you think of the nuclear option for example, they're using now to stack the court with conservatives. that was a democratic concept. they were tired of referendums being passed and even liberal states like california and state legislatures, so they didn't like it, so the way to overturn it, the democrats, was stack that court with leftist judges who ruled these new laws unconstitutional and it came back to bite them and now it's working against them. i think the same thing if you're going to breach attorney client privilege and now the privilege of an interpreter, i've spoken in 40 countries, thousand speeches with interpreters and it's not just different words. it's different idioms and you have to grope around in the dark as you practice with the interpreter to find a way to communicate and to have that laid out and transcribed would be a nightmare saying things you don't really mean so do they

want that? neil: actually it's funny because they do want your speeches from across the globe i meant to break that to you but i do want to get your handle on the dangerous trend that could be in place here if you do want that. by that definition everyone would want to get their hands-on in the moment, it's one thing in history and looking back but in the moment, john kennedy or surrogates communications during the cuban missile crisis for example. now we know in retrospect deals were made to get our missiles out of turkey to get the russian s to make some concession s but at the time, we were just relieved to hear that the crisis was averted, that the immediate second guessing that would have been prompted in realtime might have meant no settlement of the crisis at all, and that is talking about a democratic president and how we dealt with the crisis under his stewardship, who knows whatever happens in the future what do you think? >> yes you're exactly right and that also applies to carter, at camp david.

i'd urge your viewers to read keeping faith written by jimmy carter and he reveals some of his private conversations, but not all of them, that brought about peace between israel and egypt, and reagan's auto biography and an american life where he goes into some detail but not everything of his private ongoing conversations that drove some people up the wall, but that ended the cold war, and i picked this up on the way over. let me read you this. i know you will not mind me being brutally frank when i tell you that i can personally handle stallin better than your foreign office and my own state department. stalin hates the guts of your top people. he thinks that he likes me better and i hope he will continue to do so. that was written by franklin roosevelt in 1942 to winston

churchill, so trump didn't start this. all of these presidents go in there, wanting to do something. the american people didn't elect somebody else. everybody is saying we need somebody else in the room. they didn't elect somebody else. they elected donald trump. neil: i know i keep repeating it be careful what you wish for because it can come back to bite you. thank you very very much doug always good seeing you. historian extraordinaire. let's get the read on all of this from catalina publisher and former new york republican congresswoman and now of course with the independent women's forum and dan what do you make of this concerted rush to get every detail on the trump putin meeting? >> well i think the presidents detract ors on both sides of the aisle see this as another target -rich opportunity obviously. certainly, the president's vivd style and his relative

informality led to some remarks at the press conference -- neil: you didn't flip over to them. >> well he left some questions unanswered that he tried to clarify subsequently as we know. he said no no, i believe our intelligence community, i'm not trusting vladimir putin. all that said, and i don't think the president does leave it, i think he does believe in our intelligence community he doesn't trust putin. that does not mean that we should sum on his interpreter to congress to reveal the content of a private and very sensitive conversation. we have a secretary of state, mike pompeo. i know him personally, a fine man who would not mislead the president, nor fail to guide him in the ways that the president expects. neil: all right so go slow with him. kathy what do you think of that? >> the problem is well we have both sides as you've mentioned both sides want to know what happened.

i think it's because we had a president who came out of this two hour meeting and didn't seem like he had america's best interest and he didn't stand up for america during that conference. his behavior was so bizarre that people want to know what was said, if that's what we saw in public. neil: you would have like to see him in public you'd be more critical of vladimir putin and not throw our intelligence people under the bus. >> absolutely he was his lap dog. neil: well that's a little extreme but do you think after the fact that the president at least righted this by saying that he misspoke? >> well, yeah he had to say something, because his behavior was so, the press conference -- neil: but did he comport himself more in line? >> afterwards? neil: yes. >> he had to. neil: i understand that. fine, fine fine fine. do you think then that that's enough, that are you a part of this that says every note, talk to the interpreter, drag her to washington. >> the interpreter worries me because interpreters they are the vessels they're just there

to communicate. they're not there to take the notes. neil: do you think it's crazy? >> yeah, i don't believe the interpreter was there to take notes for the american public the interpreter was there to interpret words. neil: fair enough, so what worries me with this sort of thing is that line i've used again and again and be careful what you wish for because future presidents, administrations, congressmans, democrats, republicans would have to subscribe to this that nothing is off bounds in such discussion s and i think sometimes they're required to be >> i agree, neil and we cannot trust congress. we cannot trust members of congress, senators to be discrete. neil: but it's more than that what they're saying is that we don't trust the president because he doesn't seem to trust our intelligence agencies. you disagree? >> i disagree completely. this president, dan coats, his own director director of national intelligence made remarks this week that might be interpreted as somewhat different from what the president said at this press conference in helsinki. note well that dan coats is still very much in his position

as dni. neil: but also dan coats apparently didn't know about this follow-up invite to vladimir putin to come to the united states. >> the interview with andrea mitchell but again note well. dan coats is still indiana his position as dn: neil: as long as they're not fired? >> but it tells us, neil that the president has a solid working relationship with these very wise intelligent people in whom he puts his trust and we can put our trust in him and in them. the president is building our leverage economically in ways that haven't been done in at least a decade. neil: but i just suspect this is not a done issue. it's going to come up again with the details on this invite for the fall. where is this going? >> i mean, more details keep coming out from this, private meeting so yeah, we are concerned. what happened during those two hours, because what we saw in public was so disheartening, what happened in private. what did he say?

so the questions are going to keep coming up from the right and the left. neil: nobody cares about barack obama and his assurance he made to the russian leader? >> i don't think that barack obama ever did, yeah i don't recall. i don't think that. neil: you know we have to wait until the last election before i can do anything? >> i don't think that barack obama would have done, well he never did what our president did with putin. i mean, this is -- neil: wait a minute we don't know what those private conversations entailed right? >> we never saw performance like trumps before a national, international audience. >> yeah, but we know a lot about the actions he took or failed to take including the sif ius allowing 20% of our uranium to be sold. neil: thank you for getting into the uranium thing because i'd almost forgotten. i still don't understand. >> [laughter] neil: it's a big deal ladies thank you both very very much in the meantime, much to do about a secretly-recorded phone call. what's weird about the phone call, it's a lawyer doing it on

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neil: you're looking live at a pine tree in berkeley heights, new jersey where the president is gathering tonight at that tree but a little further back at his club, who knows, already have details of that second meeting being planned for the fall with vladimir putin, and if the guy who runs the house of homeland security committee has his way michael mccaul says proceed carefully. take a look. >> we need to call out russia, for what they did and it can't happen again in the mid-term elections coming up in 2018, so i'm always for world leaders

talking. i think that's a real positive step. i would hope that he would bring up the mid-term elections with them and in addition to crimea in addition to resolving the crisis in syria. neil: well there was criticism that he didn't. you'd said shortly after that, and i'm quoting you i hope correctly here, sir, whether you're a republican or a democrat this is completely unacceptable. i don't understand the reluctance when he almost sided with putin over our intelligence community assessment. that i think is de moralizing to our intelligence community. it's not the first time he's reacted like this but he did, again. now of course he dialed it back and said that it was sort of didn't get his wording right. did that satisfy you? >> well i think he did dial back. i think he corrected this statement but again, neil i had the classified briefing in october of 2016. it's clear and convincing evidence this came out of the

kremlin from their intelligence bureau. neil: so why does this keep happening? i can understand there's some reluctance on the part of the president because every time he raises it he's feeding this narrative that he's an illegitimately elected president which he's not and i think even those who understand yourself included that the russians were involved in the last election they didn't tip the outcome of that election but it sticks in his craw. >> my advice from the beginning with the president and with the previous one, it was to call out russia for what they are doing, condemn it and there needs to be consequences to it. congress passed sanctions against russia, based upon their interference in our elections and that was the right thing to do, so i think the actions have been tough. i just think the rhetoric sometimes should be backed up by the tough action we've taken against russia. neil: you know, the president says there's nothing wrong with talking to the russians. there's nothing wrong with having a good relationship with the russians. he then added in a cnbc

interview, chairman, that when it comes to talking to vladimir putin, it's a plus but if things don't work out, i'll be the worst enemy he has ever had. what did you make of that? >> well, i actually knowing the president the way i do, i think that he means that. i think he's given putin a chance to form a relationship but if putin doesn't do it i think he'll obviously make an enemy out of him. neil: but what is not doing it, sir just to be clear? i know you taking punitive measures and actions, i would assume, sanctions additional sanctions if the russians dare do something like this again in the next election, but the president has not indicated support for such overwhelmingly popular initiative on the part of republicans yourself included >> well, i think we all support these sanctions. look, russia's violating the sanctions against north korea as

i speak, i'll be talking about that tomorrow at the aspen security forum here and i think the president, and those advisors are clear-eyed about who he's dealing with. mr. putin is a former kgb officer. mr. putin has been very aggressive. we haven't seen a dictator like this out of russia since probably stalin whose been very aggressive in the baltic states, crimea and ukraine. neil: so again on just this, if you don't mind, sir, you would recommend additional sanctions, in other words nothing you can do about 2016 it seems but if he were to go again in our elections and this year, in 2020 , additional sanctions would be implemented? >> i think the president should get assurance from the president of russia, mr. putin that he's not going to interfere in our mid-term elections. that is in a front to our democracy. neil: what if he does? you're calling for additional sanctions . the president has

been quiet on this particular issue. >> well i'm talking about russia's violation of the sanctions against north korea. neil: i'm talking about on this, sir if you don't mind i'm sorry i wasn't clear, on just meddling in our election, if they were to do that again, i guess there's no punishment for what they did in 2016 which seems fairly in disputed but if they do it again , this measure that came up in the senate was to punish them for it, additional sanctions that didn't appear to have much teeth but do you support such a measure and do you think the president should as well? because he hasn't said anything about it. >> well i do, and i think the sanctions that congress passed punishes russia for 2016. if they do it again, neil, there needs to be consequences to this bad behavior. otherwise they're going to continue to do this in our election cycles and insult our democracy. neil: let's get a sense of where you think things stand now.

secretary of state pompeo was indicating that it's always better to talk but that not everyone in the administration seemed to know what the president was saying, his intelligence director for example, had no idea that there was even a planned follow-up meeting at the time that the president was considering for the fall. do you think he should be communicating more with folks like you, even within his own staff? >> well you know, i'm here at the summit where dni director can coats was interviewed and was essentially caught off guard not knowing mr. putin had been invited to attend the white house for another summit. i think i always think communication is important particularly with the guy you're top intelligence official should be in the loop on this in addition to the cabinet. having said that i always think it's good for world leaders to get together and talk about issues to see if we can come

together. neil: you mentioned north korea and of course there has been so much frustration in the north koreans appear to be dragging their feet on agreeing to denuclearize or even do some of the basic things like families that could visit along the border and see relatives, returning the remains of u.s. servicemen and women from that war more than what almost three-quarters of a century ago. what do you make of what they're not doing? >> well they're not dismantling their nuclear program. now they have halted the testing of their nuclear missiles, that's positive. they have returned three american prisoners that's very positive, and they are looking in the near future to return the remains of the prisoner of war in that conflict which i think that's all positive, neil but i think they view what denuclearization means something very different to the north koreans than it does the united

states of america and while i think we've made progress, we also have to be clear-eyed about what they've done in the past under three prior administration s where we've made concessions to them and then they just rolled this at the negotiation table. i know this administration is very hawkish and i think it's important to sit down with kim jong-un to work something out but we also have to continue to imply the maximum campaign pressure on north korea so that kim jong-un's preservation is at stake. neil: you know, switching gears to trade if you don't mind, chairman. we're learning now that the president is willing and open to putting paris on every single good from china that comes moo this country that would represent over half a trillion dollars worth, so they're upping the ante. the chinese promise to return here. this is getting pretty scary.

what do you think? >> it is. i would argue we got to be focused on technology transfer, the theft of intellectual property and technology that china is so good at with their espionage. i do think this may put more pressure on china and leverage them in the north korean discussions but i've been very clear as well, as long as chairman brady of ways and means that if we are going to do trade and tariff wars we've got to be focused on our enemies and not friends and allies like our european nato allies in canada and mexico. neil: so when you hear the president talk about responding and putting tariffs on automobiles, and automobile parts, trucks, et cetera, and no one appears to be budging yet, do you think he should prepare the american people, many of whom are unaware that that's something they directly pay, many think for example, congressman that it's the government that pays that, that he should prepare them for the distinct possibility that they could pay a lot more for a car.

they could pay a lot more for a host of items from tv's to washers and dryers you know it far better than i. what do you think he should do? >> well i think the tax cuts have been very successful. they've primed this economy. one of the best economies we've seen probably in my lifetime and yours, i don't want this trade tariff war to undermine that in anyway. now having said that china, the trade deficit is enormous and if the president can negotiate in china in a tough way in the way he can negotiate and bring down that trade deficit with china, i think that could be a real positive. >> okay, let's talk about i.c.e., there was an interesting vote on the floor of the house where better than 130, i think it was 130 democrats voted present rather than no on this measure that was meant to just show a revolution backing i.c.e. a lot of your colleagues are upset with that saying that democrats who had been arguing

in favor of shutting down i.c.e. , getting rid of it, didn't do that. how about you? >> the irony, neil, is that a year ago today, nearly every democrat voted for my bill to fully authorize i.c.e. into law for the first time ever, including nancy pelosi, including the democrat who introduced the bill to abolish i.c.e. they brought this fight on when they wanted to abolish i.c.e., so we wanted to call their pluff and say okay, great. then why don't you vote for your bill. then they backed off and said we're going to vote against our bill to abolish i.c.e. and that's precisely the time we put a bill in favor of supporting our men and women and i.c.e. to protect americans every day from drug traffickers. neil: well why do you think they did that? is there a battle do you think within the party there where they don't want to go too too far but many who are on the left want to just annihilate it? >> i think they made a gross

miss calculation, a political miss calculation. this is about a 70% winning issue with the american people. i know there's a lot of division with their, within their own ranks. in fact i heard the hispanic congress wasn't even consulted about this bill to abolish i.c.e. so i think they've got a lot of deep divisions going on but we as republicans have to drive the law enforcement message, we create i.c.e. after 9/11 for one reason and that's to keep bad people and bad things out of this country including terrorists who we stop on average 10 known or suspected terrorists every day in this country. i was a federal prosecutor after 9/11. we used immigration laws to deport potential terrorists. it would be a grave miss calculation to abolish i.c.e. neil: i know you've got to go, congressman so i very much appreciate your time. is there a lot of your colleague s getting a little worried at what appear to be the wind at their back on the tax

cuts, the economy, the market sort of backfired a little bit with the president's performance in helsinki, finland with vladimir putin and then revelations of course as you probably heard late on friday that michael cohen recorded phone calls he had with the president regarding payments to this former playboy model, that all of a sudden now there were fears that mr. cohen might be more than willing to testify against the president. i only mention it, that these distractions, are you worried that the advantages republicans had might be going away here? >> it concerns me. i think look, we have i think we're looking strong going into these mid-term elections, but some of these issues are out of our control. we passed a tax cut bill that's primed the economy. we have provided $700 billion in defense spending to rebuild our military which in terms of readiness the previous administration ran it into the

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neil: by now you know the name, you know the look, you know this 28 year old alexandria cortez she has all the rage of the democratic party and everyone wants her to campaign for them and so she is filling that role very nicely, but at what expense of the democratic party depending on who you're talking to in the party? well jillian turner joins us out of washington with a sense of this phenomenon. >> that's right neil there are now 42 men and women running for office at the local, state and federal level who are formerly endorsed by the democratic socialistic of america. these candidates span 20 states including florida, hawaii, michigan, and kansas. it's the latest evidence that as

the trump presidency hits its 18 -month mark, democratic socialism is becoming an increasingly powerful force, and democratic politics. some of its newest faces are laying out the organization's priorities more force you'll it than ever before. they include expanded medicare for all americans, child care, in addition to opportunities for americans to all attend college or at least trade school entirely free of cost, as well as increasing the minimum wage. they're very clear on who their friends and who their enemies are. >> and we say to trump, instead of showing us your strength by tearing children from their families, where was your strength in standing up to putin and russia or undermining american democracy? >> until recently the organization and its poll ideology operated on the fringes of the liberal movement farthest

left, but now they've got 45,000 dues-paying members and they're making end roads into states and communities that have traditionally been carried by the gop. >> they said the people of kansas don't want those things. >> no! >> they told me that i would not be welcome. >> no. but you have proven them wrong. >> this week cortez and bernie sanders hit the campaign trail together in kansas and today, she's in missouri campaigning for corey bush. neil? neil: all right, jillian thank you very very much now to hear a lot of political naysayers tell us she isn't the issue, it's what she advocates that could be the losing issue, especially when it comes to calls to eliminate i.c.e., why a former i.c.e. director is furious, because tom homan is here. ♪motorcycle revving

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>> we have to occupy all of it. we have to occupy every airport, we need to occupy every i.c.e. office until those kids are back with their parents, period. neil: all right, cortez among the many democrats who are saying not only do we have to police i.c.e., we have to shut down i.c.e. but they did have a moment this week they could put their action to a vote and their sentiment to the test. they did not, 133 house democrat s voting present on a measure that simply advocates support for i.c.e. we were the only ones who picked up on that no doubt so did former acting i.c.e. director thomas homan, very good to have you back with us how you doing? >> doing all right thanks for having me. neil: what did you make of that vote? i know it was a little unusual because it was a chance for those who were eager to disband i.c.e., shut it down whatever they wanted to call it and they voted present on a measure whose only point was to show support

for i.c.e. >> exactly. if they're saying they're present but not voting to the american people and to me i hope america is watching, they did vote. they chose not to support i.c.e. , so they can say they're present not vote but actually in the minds of america they voted and voted against i.c.e. neil: so where is all of this going? i always suspect or i get into the political weeds here that there was some moderate members in the party the democratic party who were concerned that this far left push has alienated americans seven out of 10 of whom support i.c.e. and its efforts and are against dis banding it, shutting it down, whatever they want to call it so they're in this box. the passion is on the far left, the spouses views like this but presumably not the votes and they're worried. should they be? >> yes, they should be and i just use the terms that was on the far left are miss informing america and last two months i can say is they're lying to america. i just heard the sound bites

from congresswoman from new york city about occupying i.c.e. it's for anybody especially if a congressman or sean to say let's occupy i.c.e. or the airport. these are men and women shouldn't be distracted from the job trying to keep american airways safe and trying to do their jobs and shouldn't be distracted. for example, these people, a lot of people's people and these far left, they shut shutdown their i.c.e. office in portland for a week so my question is how many criminal aliens are still walking the negotiatings in portland because we're shutdown for a week, how many child predators are still walking around because we didn't arrest child predators, how many drug traffickers did we fail to arrest that week it's just foolish to want to shutdown a law enforcement operation. neil: but it went a lot further than ms. cortez and her comments michelle wolf i want you to react that i'm sure something got your goat. michelle wolf. >> i'm homeland security secretary nielsen.

it's popular now days to say i.c.e. is bad but there's no better representation of american values right now than i.c.e., and as an equal opportunity employer, we accept all levels of experience and education, from low to very low, and actively welcome those that diagnosed anger issues. neil: what did you think of that that's supposed to be comic taking note of the organization. >> i saw that this morning. it's the most repulsive thing i've seen in my 34 years. i heard you say earlier i'm angry. you're damn right i'm angry and i should be outraged by that comment. let me tell you the joint terrorism task force we are an agency that supports a joint terrorism task force with the fbi, we have the most participants of any federal agency we investigate terrorism organizations, we have arrested terrorists inside the united states and deported them. we have i.c.e. agents in over 30

countries across the globe that do the visa security program and we actually look at people that want a visa that come to this country, we investigate these people and we talk to the state department, should they get a visa or not based on our investigation. we recommend we're 8,000 denials of visa applications. i.c.e. special agents across the world have prevented terrorists from coming into this country. i find it repulsive this so-called comedian wants to call i.c.e. terrorists when we arrest , investigate and dismantle terrorist organizations. neil: it's not just comparing to terrorists, comparing to isis that's pretty serious stuff. >> yeah, isis who cut their heads off people. it's just ridiculous. we at least saved over several thousand children from drug traffickers. we have arrested from child predators we've arrested over 2,000 child predators that have trafficking and children for sexual exploitation and pornography. what i.c.e. officers done in this past year arrest over 100,000 criminals walking the votes in our neighborhoods.

we've seized 981,000 pounds of narcotics in the neighborhoods of this country. what i.c.e. is doing is protecting this country and keeping us safe. we're not cutting heads off and not a terrorist organization and just in u.s.ing to men and women that leave their homes every day , the safety and security of their homes, to defend this nation. they should be respected and not called terrorists so i am angry. i am insulted. neil: you know, tom i'm wondering where all of this is going. obviously, most americans support the efforts of i.c.e., to keep us safe in all of that. obviously what got this going was when this policy where we briefly were separating kids from their parents, and the president went back to correct that, still saying because of the delay in getting reunited with their parents that alone is reason enough to kill i.c.e. let's say we do that. what do we return to? what was life like before i.c.e. >> well let me talk about

family separations first. a lot of people are framing i.c.e. agents, ripping babies out of mother's arms. i want someone to give me one example where an i.c.e. agent ripped a baby out of a mother's armor mortgage-related one example where i.c.e. agent arrested anybody on a school grounds or a church or a hospital and i hear it every day give me one example and as far as separating families issues, you know this is at the doorstep of congress. i went up on the hill almost a year ago with the head of the ci s asking congress to fix the loopholes one is a settlement agreement we can detain families longer than 20 days to see a judge. they refused to fix those loopholes so the attorney general did what he had to do to defend our border because congress failed to defend it so if anybody wants to blame what happened why are we doing family separations you need to look at congress so this congressman in new york and dick durbin and nancy pelosi and the rest of them, they need to look in the mirror. they failed to do their job and fix the loopholes and that's what led to the family separations. when you're talking about border

patrol agents separating these families under the zero tolerance policy these are men and women who they joined to defend the nation they didn't join to change diapers and make formula but they are doing a very good job. these agents are taking very good care of these children when they are separated, and it's just ridiculous that the media wants to miss inform america and tell america what we're doing is just factually inaccurate. neil: do you think this could be mitigated if we just had the wall, the president has been arguing for this wall, got a down payment on it to get it but he needs a lot of money to finish it up wards of 25 some say $30 billion realistically, to do, do you think that'll ever happen? >> i hope so, and i think if people look at, look i was a border patrol agent in the san diego sector way back in 1984 but i used to sit on the line where thousands of aliens rush you at night or from the soccer fields. once they built that wall, the illegal migration declined

greatly. every place they built that wall were san diego, el paso, every place they built that wall, it worked. illegal immigration dropped, drug trafficking dropped it's proven it's 100% effective so regardless of the cost, what cost do you put on protecting america and evidence of national security on the border. i think the wall is needed and it's proven and a lot of democrats voted for a wall a few years ago. this isn't common sense. this is anti-trump rhetoric and the left pushing their agenda. neil: i'm wondering, i always look at the heart of the problem maybe even i'm a business nerd here at fox, the economy. people come to this country for opportunity because they're certainly not finding it in mexico or central america, so they cross through central america, up through mexico, into the united states, because the opportunities are clearly here and by comparison who wouldn't do that. you could understand it, but i'm wondering if there's something to be said now with the new

leader. he's a leftist in mexico just elected overwhelmingly by the mexican people. if you think it's incumbent upon this president to strike a deal, some say just unilaterally just with the mexicans on trade and other issues that could benefit the mexicans and us simultaneously so much so there would be less reason for anyone to leave mexico or to sneak out of mexico what do you think of that? >> actually, this administration is working very hard in central america in mexico, and call security and prosperity, we're looking to create this in central america and working with large banks and corporations and the state department and governments and central america, trying to create prosperity in those countries when the people don't leave. i when i was the i.c.e. director i increased work study enforcement by over 300% taking away that magnet why people want to enter this country illegally and one thing i'm make clear this isn't just about law enforcement. when we entice people to come here and get a job and entice people to come here because they

are a sanctuary city and feel safe in they won't call the police if you get arrested and we entice people to say we'll get rid of i.c.e. this is a further enticement for people to make that dangerous journey which means more people will die more children will drowned in the river, more children are molested and more women are raped by these criminal organizations and by enticing people with jobs and sanctuary cities and abolishing i.c.e. we're bank rolling a criminal organization to smuggle these people the same criminal organizations that have murdered border patrol agents, murdered special agents that smuggle drugs and guns into this country and people that want to do harm to this country, really bad people that have terrorist ties so we've got to stop sending this message of enticements to people in the central america and mexico. mexico is a good partner we're working hard with them and we need to further work with mexico on controlling their southern border and work out prosperity in those countries but we've got to stop as these congressman and senators are doing enticing people to come to this country because it's a safe haven. you'll get a job we'll give you free college education and if

you get arrested for a crime in a sanctuary city like san francisco, we're going to call i.c.e. we got to stop doing it. it's just not about enforcement of laws, it's about saving lives neil: yeah, i don't have the time right now to play a part from joe biden on that very issue and what san francisco is considering but we made it sort of like a right for people who have no rights because they are here illegally, but do you think this i.c.e. pressure to dis bandit and now given the phoniness of the vote this week did strike people as a little hypocritical has ended it or does it heat up? >> look, i think they backed off, it's not a proper thing to say but i think the far left like new york will keep pushing it, senators used to support i.c.e. and enforce immigration laws but do you know what as far as san francisco on voting, voting used to be a safer privilege for u.s. citizens and they take pleasure in tearing up

the very foundation of what this country was frowned upon i just hope the american people are watching and listening. i hope their story from the far left or the government lost -- neil: we got to stop. we got to stop. all right, thomas homan, sorry to interrupt you that break is now. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they took care of everything a to z. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. ...

>> so please don't, don't say that somehow this is the usual behavior for presidents. neil: wait a minute, wait a minute, with all great respect. liam-- think about what you're saying here. you are saying then, there's a move-- we want to talk to the interinterpreter in-- interper in that room and question-- >> i'm not saying that. >> you think that that would be a mistake, right? >> i'm not -- i don't think we ought to talk to the interpreter. i think we ought to talk to the president and secretary of state about what was discussed in that meeting. that's what i'm saying. neil: i don't think i'm the

only one who thought that was a bit extreme, not only with a leon panetta says. i criticize republicans on my show and criticized the president's performance in helsinki, may be he could have been more forceful on the issue what the russians did in the 2016 election and what they didn't do. he clarified himself later in the week, but take the extra measure that democrats are advocating, including mr. panetta. then to say we want to see the notes and talk to you about what was discussed. i thought it was a slippery slope. he didn't extend it as other democrats had to tucking to the interpreter in the room. and there's an association of interpreters. it's a slippery slope, what you do with one president, you do with other presidents. and be careful what you wish forment i want to talk to committee member, florida congressman ron desantis.

i know that the president could have been more forceful in the week. what might worry you more is this zeal to make sure we see and hear and get notes on everything the two discussed, even behind closed doors. i think that would be a worrisome development. what do you think? it's not appropriate and it would set a precedent. and the democrats aren't thinking about when there's a democrat president, do we want to reverse rolls and do that? the president is the organ for conducting the kwugs, we have an oversight, but hauling in an interpreter exceed our authority. and i think it's a big mistake and i'm not supportive of doing it. neil: you know what generated this all of this is the president's performance with the russian leader and it looked like he was kowtowing to him.

he said he used the wrong word, others said that wasn't good enough. should bygones be bygones? apparently there will be a meeting here in the fall. >> i want to see the policy that comes out of it. the fact of the matter is, when barack obama was president, you had me and guys in the congress pushing to provide lethal aid to ukraine so they could defend themselves. a lot of democrats opposed that. donald trump has been willing to support the lethal aid going to ukraine and take measures that are tough on russia. i want to see the policies that come out of it. i'm confident they've gone a better direction than the obama administration. the president said he misspoke on the russian meddling. he misspoke. he's 100% right it had no effect on the election and there's no

trump-russia collusion. a lot of things are intermingled between the press and democrats, and i think he sees it as a cudgel used-- >> you've state it had clearly and very well. i think the president maybe for good reason because he feels, and a lot of democrats are of this mind, that he didn't get el elit-- legitimately elected president of the united states. he was the winner of the november 2016 election, he got the most electoral votes. and having said that, it sticks in his craw anytime he mentions the russians, that is what it comes back to so i can understand his reticence, but it seems to me, he cannot articulate to save his life. what do you think? >> well, here is the thing. you're at this summit and the first question from the american press is about the meddling that happened a year and a half ago. look, it is an issue.

we actually-- congress imposed sanctions over that. we've done some things. you don't see the press interested-- >> does the president sport those sanctions? he hasn't said a word about it. >> well, the ones-- obama did some stuff the end of his term and we did some things, it was a veto proof majority. at the end of the day, the president looks at that and the media uses it against them in a way they don't use other cyber attacks. neil, remember when china hacked the federal government and got 10 million files from the office of personnel management including security clearance forms and really major attack. you don't see the fact that china attacked our country because it was under obama. neil: let me ask you this, would it reassure you if the president, aware for example, what happened in the senate last week, they were considered follow-up sanctions that if the russians were to ever think of doing this again, let alone what they did in 2016, we would follow up with sanctions that go way beyond what was done with

the russian ukrainian thing, ukraine, and this would be in response just to bother with our election. but the president hasn't expressed an opinion on that. and i'm wondering whether you find that surprising. >> no, not-- because i think it's an idea that's just been put out. i support it and i think that-- >> it's been out there forever, out there for a long time. >> well, it's not been something that we've discussed in the house up until very recently. so if the senate does that, i think the house would pass it. i think the president would sign it. neil: you do? >> yeah, absolutely. neil: and that the president sanction angst about this and would indeed do that. >> i haven't talked to him about the specific legislation, but my prediction is that he would sign the bill. neil: so you think he got a bum wrap on everything that happened? >> at the end of the day, he acknowledged there was russian meddling. that's the issue that the media

wants to do and i don't think they want to talk about some of the other ones. i think he's dealt with this for a year and a half and i think his frustration showed. but he's correct that had record and now i think it will be what policy comes out of this summit and i think the thing with vladimir putin is, what he recognizes as american strengths, he doesn't need an interpreter to do that, so if the president is acting in a strong, resolute way like he's done in other parts of the world, then i think it will be productive. if we're not, then i think that putin will try to capitalize on that. neil: did he read strength in the president this week? >> we don't know what happened behind closed doors. the president said he pressed him on the meddling, although i would say the meddling wouldn't be one of the top five things i would bring up with putin. you have ukraine and syria other things going on. neil: the russians interfering in our election, and whether or not it's a big deal. that's something you'd want to make sure that didn't happen again. >> it would be, but it would not be more important to me than syria, than iran, than crimea,

than ukraine, than some of the major issues. so, it's something that you do, but it's not the end-all, be-all. the media thinks that he's suppose today wag his finger at putin and say don't meddle. putin meddled because he knew he could get away with it under obama. neil: and you would want to say that-- >> words are fine, but it's the actions that matter. neil: and sir, thank you. i appreciate it, congressman ron desantis. good to see you. >> thanks. neil: the read on this with fox business network's charles payne, former new york congressman. and i don't think it's a right or left issue, it's a big issue. it should have been brought up behind closed doors and it was. ab media pounces on it, but i would certainly put it in my top five issues. >> at the very least because

it's been so much top of mind from the media and attention to it. neil: not overly dwell on it. >> agreed, make the statement. but ron desantis makes an excellent point. the president's deeds, strengthening our economy, making it the strongest, vigorously growing economy. making us the number one oil producer in the world and putting money back in the military and that's what vladimir putin understand. neil: and the weaker words and-- >> actions are more important. neil: charles. >> the actions are, yesterday the department of defense allocated 200 million to ukraine for security purposes, so the actions certainly speak louder than the words. i'm thinking when they meet again, when they have the press conference, first thing president trump should say to vladimir putin is that your mom wears combat boots and you move on from there. just joking.

[laughter]. neil: you're such an idiot, an idiot who i love! that was good. the delivery was-- >> but, you know, president trump, i think, was really trying to be diplomatic. i think he actually got played by the media in the sense they keep saying he can't do these kind of things that obviously he mishandled it, but i think he's done a lot to sort of walk it back since then. i agree with nan. the actions before and action, 200 million to ukraine. that says-- that speaks a lot. neil: okay. because i'll buy the action thing and one of the things that worries me, danielle, is where treasury secretary steve mnuchin is considering lifting sanctions on a business that's owned by a friend of vladimir putin to build a relationship.

and that might be for perfectly separate valid reasons, but the timing is weird. we could get a read into the i am tooing. >> right, we need to con strain russia to nan's point, economically. and independence is a part of that. but there's something to be said for standing up and confronting putin which is something that donald trump did not do this week. >> in the press conference. we don't know what happened. neil: we don't know what happened behind closed doors. we might have known what happened behind closed doors if we had a readout and everyone in the world would have known that. neil: we didn't have a readout with jfk and khrunichev in the cuban missile crisis. we didn't get a readout. if you want to do that, you have to redo history. do you want that? >> the problem with the readout. two things that reportedly come out of the meeting that the president hasn't responded to. neil: if this were barack obama you'd be saying the same thing? >> yes, i would. neil: no, you wouldn't. >> i would for number of renes.

trump conflated collusion and-- for far too long. and he could have-- >> a lot of your democratic friends have. you can't blame him for being a little agitated on that. >> he talks about russian interference and the 400 pound guy that might have done it. neil: and that was fake news. the guy is 350 pounds. [laughter] >> and doesn't care about it. neil: and make the point that be careful what you wish for on that front because that's-- >> absolutely. i don't think that the president's private conversations with any world leader should be the subject of scrutiny by the congress. neil: but it's the performance' performance that sparked that comment. >> president trump is unique in our history. he is not a career politician, he's a businessman and he is accustomed to being fleet of foot and to adapting to changing circumstances, and indeed, you know, this week he recognized

that at helsinki he left an impression he want today correct. his actions tell all that vladimir putin needs to know. neil: you've studied on your fine show on fox business, this notion that actions do speak louder than words. the economic performance and tax cuts. do you worry, charles, this might be more noise and the cohen tape that wall street gets word, mr. president, this is all killing what is a wonderful agenda? >> i don't. i listen to a lot of conference calls this week and last week and i read through a bunch of transcripts and not one of the ceo's-- none of them mentioned russia. last week, one country out of 23 mentioned tariffs. that's lennar and they're hurt by lumber prices. neil: trade is going to be a worry, but not an issue right now. >> they're ceo's talking to shareholders, what is happening not with a could happen.

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when we notice that there's little leg room and we notice that the seats are, in fact, close together. it's not us just gaining weight or suddenly getting taller, is it? >> no, it isn't. neil, what's happened the last ten years is the airlines, because there are no regulations that regulate seats, they have jammed more and more people in. so, now three quarters of the population can no longer comfortably fit in the seats and about 10% cannot fit in at all. that's people that weigh over say 250 or over 6 foot 2. the only way they can fit is by encroaching on their neighbors or in the aisle. so, we think it's reached the point of cannot just difficult, but getting to be really impossible. neil: all right. i don't see the airlines changing anything anytime soon. in fact, if anything, they're increasing building planes with more of these seats, with less room. so, they're not exactly shuddering in fear of your

threats. what do you do? >> well, we filed a rule-making petition three years ago. the agency f.a.a. denied it. we went to court and a year ago, the court in a 3-0 decision, sent it back and said you need to reconsider. and earlier this month, they then rejected it again. so, now we're in a position of having to possibly go back to court, but also, there is a bill before the senate, that they may vote on even next week, that would force the f.a.a. to regulate seats. neil: you know, one thing i was wondering about, airlines come back right away and say what are you whining about? not you specifically. air travel has never been so affordable. more people than ever are flying. they're getting there with cheaper tickets. yeah, the flight itself might be a little uncomfortable for some, but for most, this'll take it because they're getting a great deal. you say what? >> well, domestically, when you add in fees, actually prices

have been going up for the last seven or eight years. we are getting lower fares internationally, but that's because of competition. and it's simply -- at some point health and safety have to take charge, and if we didn't have any regulations for safety, we would probably have many more planes crashing, but we have good safety regulations and therefore, it has been getting safer to travel by air. but, when it comes to-- when it comes to seats, there is no regulation. we have regulation for animals. we have regulation for carrying prisoners. but we have no regulation for regular people. neil: so, real quickly, what happens if you're too big for that seat? do they shoot you? what do they do? >> well, first of all, you're going to be very uncomfortable. neil: i know. >> you're going to encroach on your neighbor. neil: and the neighbor is going to complain. been there, done that. >> and you can, of course, in

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it's popular to say you don't support ice. it's a new thing. it wasn't a thing under president obama. even though there was ice under president obama. president obama deported more people than president bush or people before him. and i did not support that policy whatsoever. but, it's one thing to not support that and another thing not to support ice overall. >> we heard that betsy devos against the department of education which she's leading. so people were against the

department of education, against social security. we heard many departments, people were against many things under other administrations. so, to hear people are against ice now, i mean, it's a trend, right? every agency has its day. neil: do you support shutting down ice? >> no, maybe improve working on their mission, just like any other government agency, but, no. neil: when you're a number of democrats, 133 in the house say present. i will say that, i don't always agree with you, you have the courage of your convictions and you stick to them. >> thank you. neil: to me, it's mamby-pamby to say present. >> the same thing the g.o.p. is against education. >> not against education, there's a difference between being against the department of education and education against public education. neil: there are ways to do it and not to. >> it felt the same way, felt the same way. neil: and are you sickened when you see that response by many in

your fine party? >> we don't vote for people to do that and i don't think we even comprehend that. like you said, we didn't know they could do that. who knew? >> where is this going? and when i see this. 2005, 2003 it was first bandied about. but passion on the particular party's issue-- i believe she's in st. louis, right? and she's a draw, a magnet for party advocating these positions, in this case, shut down ice. in this case, tax the rich and et cetera, et cetera. what do you think? >> i think that this shows a huge split in the democratic party which is something that we're continuing to see. we saw in the 2016 elections with the hillary clinton democrats versus the bernie sanders democrats of the i think she's obviously one of the bernie sanders democrats and a lot of the democratic party has moved way far left on issues. whether for democratic socialism

or whether advocating for completely abolishing ice, we're seeing some segment of this party go way further left than another segment. so it's hard to unify. neil: that's where the passion is. is that the future, this young lady, 28 years old. the future of the democratic party, at least the type that will go out and vote in big numbers? >> no, no one believes that's the future. she's showing a division that no one wants to see. it looks like the democrats are as divided as the g.o.p. neil: when joe lieberman, he wrote an editorial, the guy who she defeated should remain on the independent party line and take the seat because that's more democrat, i'm paraphrasing here, than she is. >> being moderate is the way to win an election. and being extreme is not the way

to win. and trump was extreme and he won. going too far in either direction is never good. i think we've all the been a country of being in the middle and it's scary. neil: since when have you been in the middle? >> all the time in the middle. you know that. neil: ladies, thank you very, very much. we'll be watching what she has to say and many in the national leadership of the democratic party, as kathy was just saying, they get a little wincy with this and concerned that we're impressed with the passion that she brings to the party and want to leave it there. what a prominent democratic congressman thinks of this. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪

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>> all right. this is very unusual. a candidate won a primary in new york, hasn't won outright, but she's become a democratic party sensation and we're talking about the young lady there. alexandria ocasio-cortez, who

beat joe crowley, a big primary election in new york and she's been galvanizing support around the midwest right now for candidates similarly running. some see her as the future of the democratic party. i want to talk to the committee member, congressman, very good to have you. thank you for coming. >> thanks for having me. good to see you. neil: is she the future, her views? she's got a lot of very zealous support on the left. do you concur with that? >> look, i don't know alexandria well. i've obviously watched her campaign a little. i think what's very exciting is the democratic party has extraordinary candidates all across the country. they will, when they get elected, bring a whole bunch of new ideas to the democratic caucus and out of that we'll develop consensus from our members to move forward on issues where there's consensus. so, we're a big party, a big tent. i think we have lots of different views in the democratic caucus on a number of

issues. i think what's really important is there's a lot of energy for our candidates all around the country. we have extraordinary veterans, great women, great business leaders, who are running, who want to make a difference. i think when we go back into the majority with this great new class, it will be exciting for the country. it will be exciting for our party and you know, i think there's a lot of great talent in our caucus today and a lot of new talent will come to washington. neil: i guess we'll know soon enough, sir, about what the future of the party will be, what it will look like. but congressman cicilline, those who wanted to dispanned-- disband ice and shut it down? >> i think what we have responded to a the hideous policy, ripping children from their mothers and fathers, particularly people seeking asylum under our laws and we

all, i think, recognize there r there are reforms necessary at ice. the problem is this policy, not the men and women doing the work. this is a hideous policy. it's an agency like so many others that needs reform and i think redesign. but they also perform important functions, so, i think that's most democrats are. we strongly condemn the family separation policy and trying to do everything we can to get these children reunited with their parents. i think everyone found that to be an appalling policy. and obviously, there are reforms that are necessary, but important functions that ice performs for our country. neil: a number of your colleagues, after the summit with the president and vladimir putin warned again to push strongly again in meeting with him again. the president wants a fall visit on the part of vladimir putin in this country. where do you stand on that? . well, i think john mclaughlin, the former cia director for president bush said it well, our country was attacked, america

was attacked and president trump stood with the enemy. vladimir putin led an attack on our democracy, personally led in the campaign to interfere with the american presidential election. that's the unanimous content of our insell against agency. it's also the unanimous conclusion, or the conclusion of the senate intelligence committee, a republican-led committee. there's no question that vladimir putin did that and-- >> you're not satisfied with the president dialing that back and saying he essentially misspoke? >> i'm sorry? i'm not satisfied-- >> i'm sorry, maybe there was an audio issue there. that the president said that he dialed that back, that he misspoke, that he didn't want to give the wrong impression. >> look, we have to look at all the president's actions and statements. vladimir putin is a thug, a dictator, and invaded a sovereign country, attacked our elections, is engaged in all

kind of mischief in syria. he is an adversary of the united states and now he's invited him to the white house, this iconic building that represents our democracy. he ought to have used the world view in that press conference to make it clear to vladimir putin, we know what you did, the american people will decide-- >> are you just as bothered that barack obama dropped the ball and he was aware of that intelligence? >> well, certainly president obama attempted to bring more of this to the attention of the american people and that was blocked by mitch mcconnell. they tried to do a joint bipartisan statement and mitch mcconnell was the one who said no. so that's-- >> and didn't the press also express reservation because he thought that it would get in the way of hillary clinton getting elected? >> well, look, it's easy to reflect on what could have been done in the past. i'm talking about today. today the president of the

united states is donald trumpment he knows what his intelligence community has told him and shown him the evidence that vladimir putin led an attack on our democracy. and the n.a.t.o. alliances around the world and can't say a word about-- >> i know where you're coming from, sir, you know you're quite right. at, he says he's been tough on russia and you don't buy that? >> the most important thing the president can do is make sure he takes the necessary steps to protect our democracy. acknowledge what vladimir putin did, acknowledge what the russians did. acknowledge that they're continuing to do it and put together an interagency task force to make sure it never happens again. fund protecting our elections. $380 million was taken out of the budget to secure our elections. we attempted to put it back in,

the republicans blocked it. they've tried in every way, and the president joined them in undermining this investigation and it's a serious attack on our democracy. neil: so throwing more diplomates out of this country than any of his predecessors. beefing up troops along eastern side of the ukraine, the russian's western side and doing this sort of stuff, none of that shows substance over work? >> i think the president's statements about vladimir putin, the unwilling necessary to challenge him on the attack on the democracy. neil: it was behind closed, we don't know-- >> we don't know what the president said, his own team didn't know. there hasn't been a readout. we know what the president says about vladimir putin. he admires him, calls him a strong leader, never criticized his attack on our democracy. he says he doesn't do it and to believe that over his own intelligence community that unanimously says he did. neil: okay. >> i think there's a lot of

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>> all right. after that congress went on, this is what feeds that sort of paranoia about the president and his relationship with russia. the secretary of the state of the united states considering lifting sanctions on a russian aluminum company owned in part by a billionaire and friend of vladimir putin. the feeling seems to be they're getting special favor at a time when the president of the united states seemed to be a little too cozy for vladimir putin. you know the drill on that. markets tend to look at this as noise until it gets to be very

noisy. but the read from stock switch founder, are you worried about this drip, drip, drip, russia-us. russia-us? >> no, i don't think it affected the market. if anything, the market rallied this week. it fell a little on friday, but-- >> essentially unchanged in all of this. >> unchanged really and the summer is a slow month for the market anyway and earnings coming up that just started. we'll see a pop in the market reactions based on fed meetings or things that happened. neil: you mentioned the fed. what did you make of the president's comments to cnbc of not being a fan of them hiking rates. >> i don't have a problem with it. and trump looks at himself as the top of the pyramid, the ceo. he looks like it it's his job to give the opinion and twitter is the way he does it. instead of micromanaging. neil: he did this interview and followed up. by the way, other presidents when the rates go up, they talked to their staff members

about it and rarely do this he publicly say it. it's not a shocker he feels this way, he comes from the real estate business where higher rates are generally not a good thing. and they come if a good thing. does he put the fed in a weird position? do you worry about that? >> no, here is the problem. we did the tax cuts, the president and the administration did the tax cuts. it's not for apple, amazon-- it's for the little guy. when rates go up, borrowing costs are higher. the problem is if you're a business and you need to borrow to make payroll or buy vehicles, whatever you have to do. trump is worried and that's why he said in the interview and tweets different costs of things, because oil, all of these things, the drug companies, he doesn't want people end up having the tax cuts be a wash, whether it's the individuals, but it's really the businesses. neil: it might already be. and the trade threats alone are raising the cost of a lot. >> that's the concern of the fed this week because they said

listen, if this goes on, it could hurt the economy, that is booming right now. neil: do you agree with the fed? >> if it goes on too long it's bulimic. but i don't think that trump likes that he mentioned it. neil: but he already did, damage done. >> he did so we'll see what happens. i personally, i don't think they need to raise the rates two more times this year, one is good enough. neil: if they raise one more time, won't people say-- >> remember, he's the ceo. only one person can be in charge. you're in aring cha -- charge of your show, and only one person can be in charge. neil: i'm running this show and he's running the country. so good to see you on a weekend. thank you for coming in. she knows of what she speaks. i want the read on that with my panelists and the read on whoopee goldberg and judge janine. and i'm upset if "the view" told me up to get a bond market take,

i don't think i'll do it. after this.

>> what went-- when the president of the united states whips up people to beat the hell out of people. stay goodbye! i'm done. >> thank you judge jeanine pi o pirro. neil: all right. you know, "the view" ever asks me on, i was on there years ago, if they ask me on to lead a panel on interest rates, i just might not come. [laughter] >> given the way they treat fox people. i don't know how charles payne feels about that, probably of the same mi mind. and charles, what did you think, back and forth, some apologies. >> and some apologies and more

explosive. i believe it's a microcosm of what's going on in this country, unfortunately. i think we have an instability crisis going on. i will give props to whoever the person was who read the prompter as they exited. coming back, we'll do a cooking segment. [laughter] >> and plug the book. >> we're going to do something great when we come back. >> everybody loves chocolate. >> she was really good whoever she was, but it was ugly. neil: it is getting crazy, isn't it? i mean-- >> right, but it's almost like we were at someone's house and this is what happens now at the dinner table. neil: and every day. >> right? and it was sad because, unlike, i think, unlike here, we may not all agree. neil: what do you mean? >> and i think to that point. i don't think that everyone here, we don't lose it and go crazy and even the judge was smiling and she could have just jumped over that table and she was just smiling and so plight. i thought she was-- >> italians are that way. a little bothered. >> i love the way she handles

herself and they did plug her book at the end. >> they knew who they were booking and title of the book kind of lays it in there and i agree with what charles payne says, these are just our times. >> the late professor joseph ninzy wrote about it before he passed away, there's a mood of a civil war in this country and people feeling there's no legitimacy to the other kind. it's a conflict between good and evil and it would be great if those at the top of-- as is demonstrated here, indeed, you're right, kathy, at the top of media, academia, politics, if they could strive to demonstrate, you know, the best behavior. now what? even if-- >> you don't see that. >> you know what? neil? all of us can play a role. you know, kathy and i are on

different sides of the political spectrum, but i consider kathy and a friend. neil: and you don't say nasty words to each other when you left the set. but i do that with all of my-- >> that did not happen. charles, i think we see life through our own prism, how we see it. because there are many, many times, let's say it comes to the president, covered him for 30 plus years. i think his tax cuts are working, think what he's done for the market have been amazing, but you criticize him, you bring up something, you know, loyal supporters and god bless them, and they'll say he's a never trumper or things about me and these are the times we live in and it seems crazy. >> what's worrisome for me what happens when we go to a recession. this is how we're acting right now, with the unemployment where it is, and people getting jobs. i mean, last month, 250,000 hispanics working more than a month before. what happens when those numbers

start to reverse. neil: what do you think happens? >> i don't know, i'm afraid. i believe we're headed to something extraordinarily ugly and i don't know how we turn it around and it didn't just start now, it's been brewing for long time. >> charles, but you've hit on a great point is that economic desperate breeds hostility, breeds division. neil: but there shouldn't be any economic-- >> that's what i was going to say, if you look layers below the warring elite, there actually is a greater spirit of understanding i think among a lot of folks in communities that have felt left out in decades past. >>, but, you're going to hate me, but i think it comes from the top. i think at the very top when you have someone on twitter who is constantly criticizing, who is saying the nastiest things, who is watching tv and commenting. i mean, our president saying things about tv shows, movie shows, celebrities, negative nasty things, and i think it gets people the right then to

feel that they can do it. neil: and before he came along they were doing it, right? >> hate groups have gone up since this president has been in office. neil: hate back and forth. you're right to say that we hit a fever pitch. i never thought about what you just said, things slow down or go south, what happens then? >> it could be worrisome. we've seen polls and particularly race relations got progressively worse under barack obama. it wasn't always about being a statesman and flowery language. something else-- >> you get a lot of heat saying good things you do the president and you've been called horrific things and that's just from me. but how do you deal with that? >> you know, after this segment, someone tweet today me, you coon mf, you fox coon mf. wages haven't moved and i replied. and the reason they didn't move is because you spelled coon with a k. i decided i'm not going to send it i just blocked the guy.

neil: you can do that and block the guy? you would have to block 90% of our viewers. >> but it's unfortunate that that much is out there. that that much hatred and anger is out there. >> and there's more hatred now is still going um. and-- >> what are you going to do? how are you going to calm it down? you have to have a sense of humor about it. >> and actually on twitter, a comment, used to-- they wrote me a private message. i used to say the nastiest things about you on twitter and actually the way you've been acting and smile when you give your points, you're never nasty and i haven't been mean to you in a long time and you don't know this, i don't know if you're reading this, but i wanted you to know. neil: that was very nice to do that. >> thank you for doing that. >> kathy-- >> we've got to calm things down. riot? >> and the president has actually been gaining support in communities of color and that's

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>> president trump's livid over reports that his former attorney taped conversation was him and insists, quote, your favorite president has done nothing wrong. elizabeth: plus, democratic candidate alexandria o'cas ocasio-cortez, we're speaking about that. leland: and the deadly duck boat accident in missouri. mike tobin there lakeside. >> reporter: the victims of the duck boat tragedy, were they wearing life vests? a survivor tells us all that and more coming up on