. mark: hello, america, i'm mark levin. this is "life, liberty & levin." i have great guest. governor huckabee, how are you my friend. >> doing great, mark, honored to be with you. mark: likewise, likewise. everybody knows who you are. let me give a little background. michael dale huckabee, you are an american politician, we know. christian minister. author, radio host for a period of time, no? >> yes. mark: commentator obviously. the 44th governor of arkansas. governor for quite a long time. >> almost 11 years.

mark: almost 11 years. you, prior to your political career you served as a pastor, when? >> it's been almost 30 years ago, it was a period of time about 11 1/2 years and my first career was broadcasting, radio, television, i ran an ad agency, and then as kind of a long story but the short version is i ended up being a pastor, which was a wonderful part of my life, because it was a school. it was graduate school in humanity. because when you're a pastor, you see every social pathology that exists in our culture. up close and personal, and every single issue that is faced by the people of our nation, you can put a name and a face on it, you're dealing with people from birth to death, the best and the worst moments of their lives and you have a perspective of everything from poverty to the challenges of health care. there's nothing you don't see. mark: did you launch from being

a pastor right into politics? how did you get into politics? >> i always thought i would do that, when i was even a teenager, and i thought that was going to be my career path, and even when i was doing communications in radio and advertising, i thought one day, i'm going to run for office, but i needed a career first. i needed to experience life before i try to shape it for other people. and when i went into being a pastor, quite frankly, mark, that prospect is gone. nobody would ever expect somebody who's coming from a pastoral background into politics, but i came believe to it was a terrific preparation, better than being a lawyer or insurance executive or whatever, and so long, thoughtful process, and i said, let's do it, that was back in 1991. my first race was for the u.s. senate. i lost. ran the next year, 93. mark: back in 91. arkansas was heavily democrat,

right? >> it wasn't heavily democrat, it was democrat. it was the most lopsided state in the country, more than massachusetts, maine, vermont, oregon, california. when i became lieutenant governor in 1993, the legislature was 90% democrat. in the senate, for example, there were four out of the 35 members of the senate who were republican, and frankly, those four were a little suspect. my door was nailed shut on the day i was sworn in as lieutenant governor at the state capitol. sworn in at the order of webb hubbell working at the white house for clinton at the time, and so angry a republican had been elected during bill clinton's first year as president, they said you got to stop this guy. so my door was nailed shut and stayed shut for 59 days until finally there was such a public outcry, they took the nails out of the door. people think that is a hippocriffal story, it honestly happened. mark: became governor when?

>> in 1996, when jim guy tucker was convicted of whitewater related felonies, the nails were clearly gone. it was a very tumultuous time in arkansas politics and history. and here i was only the fourth republican to be elected to state office in 150 years. first in 25 years, and now the state's got a republican governor following the conviction of their democrat governor. it was a very, very challenging time. but it was also the greatest period of my life. it was an extraordinary opportunity to do things completely differently than had been done for so long under bill clinton who had been governor a long time, and then jim guy tucker who really only got to serve a little over two years. mark: do you have much dealings with the clintons while you were governor? >> yeah, i did, actually. i always liked bill clinton. he and i had a good personal relationship, disagree strongly

philosophically on issues, but you've been around him. he's impossible not to like in terms of his gregarious nature. didn't have such a warm, fuzzy relationship with hillary, to be honest with you. not sure if anybody of my party ever has, but even when clinton was president and i was governor, i had a very good working relationship with him, and i will say in fairness, bill clinton was a terrific president for all governors, including all the republican governors who, if they were honest, and maybe not on the record, would tell you, that they got more cooperation from the clinton white house as republican governors than they did from the bush white house. mark: why do you think that is? >> there was an attitude that bill clinton, who had been a governor and loved the job, recognized that governors really were the front line of policy. he knew that washington didn't really get things done, and he understood that if you wanted a

laboratory of government, just like the founders really understood the states to be, this is where you attempt things, you try and you innovate. and he was willing to let republican governors try things. welfare reform came out of states. it didn't come out of washington. there were things that we did in children's health care in arkansas that preceded the idea of s-chip. way we wanted to build it, it required payin, it wasn't just a welfare program where you get 100% of the benefits for free. you get a premium and you have a deductible. why is it important? if people have skin in the game, they take a totally different attitude whether it's free or don't care whether it costs $1,000 or $100. those are the innovations can you do at the state level to. his credit, clinton said give it a shot. mark: and george w. bush was

difficult? >> you never could get to him, he had such a palace guard, and great people, but they protected him and for them everything was whether it was good for him politically, not whether or not it was actually good in the policies of the state. mark: and then you decided at some point to run for president. >> that was a brilliant idea, wasn't it, mark, turned out well. mark: well, you know what? 2012. >> yep. mark: was rather bruising, the republican primary. what happened then? >> well, that was the one i set out. a lot of people said i should have gone into that. i ran in 08. mark: right, right, that's what i meant. >> it was a tough time. we went through eight years of president bush, his approval ratings were very low at this point. it was going to be difficult to win. mark: you are a very nice guy. see how he did, that folks, i got the date wrong, he said that's when i sat out, this is

when i ran. >> a lot of people said i should have run in 12, in 08, the republican party was stodgy, i felt it was losing touch with working class americans. it did not have leaders that had a common connection to the kind of people i grew up with. mark, i grew up dirt-poor in south arkansas. i'm the first male in my entire family lineage to graduate high school much less go to college. for me the american dream is not something i read about from someone else, i've lived it. my dad was one of the americans like a lot of fathers who raise kids that he lifted heavy things, he worked hard, he got his hands dirty. that's the only jobs he ever knew. i felt like those were the people that republicans, their policies would help the most if we implemented them, but we acted like they didn't exist, and the result long-term was that the economic policies of

true conservatism and capitalism really bringing people to a point of liberty, where they were not forever completely enslaved to their group but they were looked at as individuals to. me this is the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. liberals believe you're in a group, stay in your group, don't leave your group. if your group does okay, you are okay. conservatives believe our liberty is individual, god-given to each person. there are no limits except the limits i'm willing to place on myself because i refuse to accept the freedom that i've been given, and so i felt like in 08 that we were missing the opportunity, and we were a great party, if you were sitting in the corner office, but we were not a good party if you were standing on the concrete floor eight hours a day lifting heavy things and having to go home and take a shower. mark: you did well in the primary. >> i was the runner-up to

mccain in 08. on a dime to the dollar of what mccain and mitt romney had. mark: and 2016, a big field. >> yeah. mark: one of the things i noticed during that primary was you never took a shot at trump. >> no. mark: you ran on your message and that was pretty much it. why was that? >> first of all, donald trump was not my enemy. he was not even really my opponent. i looked at it that one of us on the stage was going to face hillary clinton. i thought i'd be the right guy. i knew her better than anybody on the stage. known her 40 years. people decided differently, i respect that, you know, that's what you do in an election. but why would i go and attack one of the other people on the stage? because if they won, i was going to have to get on convention stage and tell everybody how great they would be as president after telling them they would be terrible. at some point that doesn't make sense to me. those were not the people they was trying to oppose.

secondly, i may not be the smartest bulb in the chandelier but i'm bright enough to know if, if you attack donald trump, he's going to come back at and you hit you harder than you ever hit him, and when you're ready to give up in the fight, he isn't, and keeps clubbing you until you are unconscious and in a coma and can't come out of it. i watched all the guys on the stage, they go after trump. next thing i know they get a nickname they're stuck with the rest of their lives. the press pummeled it until they got more airtime. mark: you also like him? >> i personally like the man. that surprised a lot of people because we couldn't be more different. i'm a kid that grew up dirt-poor in south arkansas. he grew up in new york and street fighter from queens and he's lived the life of a billionaire. i've never met many billionaires. yeah, we're as different as night and day, but there's

things that i admired about him. i admired his candor, transparency, and one of the things i admired about him, he did not get where he is politically in the normal way of being beholden to all the special interests who completely own most of the politicians in washington, and that's why nothing changes. democrats get elected, things stay the same. republicans get elected, things stay the same. because the same people who are throwing dollar bills at the democrats are throwing dollar bills at the republicans and the democrats alike and get the same policies over and over. trump has upset this whole, this cabaret, if you will, and changed the tune so dramatically, that's why i really believe he's the right man for the right time. mark: we'll get into this more extensively, but it's for these reasons he's under attack because he's not one of the crowd, because he is a true outsider. he doesn't need their money, he

doesn't need their lobbyists, doesn't need any of the infrastructure or the establishment? >> it's absolutely one of the main reasons. they can't control him. they can't tell him to quit. they can't tell him what to say, how to say it, where to say it, when to say it. there are times donald trump says intemperate things, i say, oh, that's a problem. times he steps on his own good news, i get that. but what i admire, here's a guy who said he was going to cut taxes and he has and the economy is booming. he said he was going to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel and move the embassy and he's done it. he said he was going to be tough with nato and tell them to pay up or we bug out, and he's done it, and they're doing it. i look at what he's getting done, and i'm far more impressed with what he's getting done than i am bothered by anything he tweets or says. mark: we're going to expand on this in a moment. don't forget, during the course

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mark: governor mike huckabee, you brought up the president and his promise to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel and to move the embassy. past presidents have said that, they've not done it. passed in 1996 but they could waive it every six months. this president said enough is enough. you're very popular in israel, and it's well known in the united states that your support for israel is considerable. why is that? >> my first trip there was 1973 when i was 17 years old. i fell in love with israel. as a teenager. and i've been taking groups of people since 1981. i've seen this country come alive in a way that i can only imagine the frontier days of america. biblically, i can say it this way, the dry bones have come alive, and the desert is blooming, and literally places that i saw as abject desert now are lush with vegetation that

exports fruits and vegetables across the world. israel is a very special place. as a person of faith for me, israel is not just another piece of real estate. maybe the most hotly contested piece of real estate on earth, but it has biblical dimensions, biblical connections and that's important to me. i think the title goes back to abraham. so to see a president recognize the rightful home of the jewish people and the jewish state and jerusalem as its capital, and by the way, jerusalem has only been capital to one people in the history of the earth, and that's to the jews. so it's important to me that we respect that. and -- mark: it's part of your faith? >> part of my faith. mark: as an evangelical christian. >> absolutely. and i had this conversation with the president before he made the decision, and said mr. president, there are two things that evangelicals were

the basis for him being elected. overwhelmingly, 75, 80% of evangelicals voted for donald trump. that surprised a lot of people. they like someone who sticks by the black and the white and the right and the wrong of what they stand for. so donald trump, and i had this conversation, and i said mr. president, there are two things evangelicals consider nonnegotiable. the sanctity of human life, and the second thing is unwavering commitment to the sovereignty of israel as a jewish state. and he kind of was surprised by that, and i said mr. president, we're people of the book, and we believe that if god has made a promise, he's going to keep it. and one of the promises is that nations that bless israel will be blessed and those who curse israel will be cursed, and i just believe that when donald trump made this decision, and he was under so much pressure not to do it, mark, you know that, you know this very well. pressure from within the country, all over the world and world leaders, and later after

he had done it, had the opportunity to say, what was the deciding force? he said it was the right thing to do and i said i was going to do it. i was so refreshed by a president who is able to say it's the right thing to do, and i said i was going to do it. i haven't seen that commitment since ronald reagan, and i think a lot of people support donald trump because of it, no matter what his critics say, you can't take that from him. mark: speaking of his critics, they're getting more and more out there. >> yeah. mark: crazier by the day. we're about the same age. i would read george wells cohen religiously, great columnist, but i don't read them anymore unless somebody hands them to me. this sad, embarrassing wreck of a man, "washington post," starts out america's child

president, and i stop, there and i said, this isn't rational thinking, when you look at what the president has done economically, you can disagree with certain aspects, i might disagree with them, but also have a lot of agreements with him when it comes to judges and taxes and regulations, he abides by the constitution, which say big deal to me. look at his foreign policy, when it comes to israel, when it comes to the iran deal, when it comes to being tough on the north korea, we still have military assets off the peninsula. and even though he calls xi his friend, he's tough on the chinese and much tough or russia than obama could have dreamed of. >> much more so. mark: what is this? america's child president. they don't like the way he talks? looks? they don't like the new york accent? what is the problem with these guys? >> it's personal. but the vitriol is unhinged. it has no rational, no normal kind of basis, it's just that

they cannot accept that donald trump won the presidency in november 16. i try to say to folks, look, i ought to be more bitter than you, i was one of the guys that put my life on the line for this. but i tell everybody, donald trump was not my first choice for president. i was my first choice for president. part of what i admire is that there is this sort of bull in the china shop torpedos, full speed ahead torpedos be damned, let's go, i like that. i like that we have a president who has instincts and follows them and he's not dissuaded by people who are always putting strings on him and telling him who he's going to upset. clearly he's upset a lot of people in the potomac world. >> you think it's a cultural battle even within the conservative movement? >> without a doubt. mark: what is that?

>> resentment. there are a lot of people, i don't think they see this, their world is about getting invited to the nice cocktail parties in georgetown. their world is being part of the swells. they live in the bubbles. three big bubbles in america, new york, washington, hollywood. maybe a fourth, silicon valley. people who live in the bubbles don't know the rest of america. they think they do. they don't. they think they're better than the rest of america. we're the basket of deplorables, the people of the great unwashed but donald trump understands that the great unwashed people, people like me, who grew up more comfortable working in the kitchen than sitting at a head table, that we're the people that actually gave this country its strength, its roots and raised the kids that went to war and won battles. i don't think they get that, but there's an anger and a resentment and it's personal, it's not political. it's one thing to argue with donald trump about maybe his style, even argue with him about policies that you

disagree with, but when you have people on major networks that say that anyone who supports trump is a nazi, like the nut case donny deutch said. mark: msnbc. >> scarborough said he was a racist. that's unhinged, mark, that's unhinged. mark: so this cultural battle even within the conservative movement, you think it's because he came out of nowhere and they didn't have a say in it? you think it's because he truly is an outsider? do you think it's because of what he says and the way he says it? because his policies are not left-wing policies, not anti-american policies, they're -- and many of his policies are reaganesque. not all, but many. and some of these people who backed reagan or bush, they are over the top hostile to trump. >> they don't own him. they don't control him.

they don't get to pick up the phone, call him and say, got a favor, and don't forget i gave you the money to get you elected. he doesn't owe them anything, and i truly believe that one of the strengths of his presidency is that he can tell them all to go to the devil, and there's not really a whole lot they can do about it. mark: ladies and gentlemen, don't forget, almost every week night, you can check me out on levin tv by going to crtv.com or give us a call at 844-levin tv. 844-levin tv. we'd love you to join our community over there. we'll be right back. no matter who rides point, there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. call one today. are you in good hands?

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we are no longer a country that will suffer through your demented threats of death. i'm lauren green, now back to ""life, liberty & levin"." . mark: i don't know who the most famous huckabee is right now. you or your daughter? >> i think it's my daughter. mark: it's your daughter? >> yeah. mark: and sarah huckabee sanders. >> yeah. mark: and she's become somewhat of a very popular figure within the conservative movement in the republican party because she stands up there every day and deals with these reporters. particularly from cnn jim acosta and so forth, but also the washington correspondents dinner which was really quite awful, her experience at a restaurant in rural virginia and other members of your family and so forth.

first of all, tell us a little bit about your daughter and tell us what she confronts in her daily life, as her father? >> first of all, i tell people we finally got a huckabee in the white house. i'm proud of sarah, sarah is one the who is more famous, p popular and beloved. she's a tough kid. force is strong in this one. this is a young lady who grew up in a political household when. most kids were jumping rope, she was sitting around the kitchen table listening to dick morris do cross tabs in polls. swarmed up in the political world since she was a tiny girl. as a result, there's not anything she sees that is a shock to her. she's been there, done that. i think in this white house, it certainly intense in a way that we've never seen before, but she's got a very calm demeanor, and i think that's what people

admire, whether it's sitting at the correspondents dinner and have someone just intentionally try to destroy her, she maintained dignity and grace or whether it's at the podium where people try to accuse her of all sorts of things, and try to take her podium away from her, she never lets that happen, but does it in a calm way, doesn't escalate the tension, but knows how to just say we're not going there. mark: as her father, and your wife as her mother, it must give you great pains to watch this. >> i take more of a pride than a pain, and i'll tell you what, i watch her and when somebody asks a stupid question, my thought is not i can't believe they said it, i'm sitting back saying, you're about to get your rear handed to you. you just don't know it. sure enough, that's what typically happens, i know she's tough and i always said when a southern woman begins or ends a

sentence with these three words whether it's literally or figurative and say bless your heart, you're about to be gutted like a deer, you just don't know it. mark: thanksgiving dinner. what's that like, thanksgiving at the huckabee household? >> you know, it's surprisingly chaotic because we have six grandchildren, three of hers and three that are my other sons, i have two other sons, and we may talk politics a little bit but it's more family. we're a very close knit family, our kids, grandkids all love each other and play together, and we have a good time. we grew up as a family very tight knit, went through tough times and it made us strong, so while there's enough politics that people would expect, it's not that everything is a political discussion when our family is together. mark: so she interacts with the media, obviously, that's her job, dealing with the media.

>> yeah. mark: it's my observation that the level of reporting has really been degraded. it's difficult to tell reporters from commentators. it's difficult to tell reporters from hollywood actors. >> yeah. mark: lot of the time. it doesn't really serve the american people, does it? >> well, journalism ought to be something that is done agnostcally, that you don't know what a reporter thinks. if a reporter puts himself or herself into the story, that's no longer journalism. that's commentary, that's editorialism, and most of what we see, 90% of it has a tinge of being editorial content. i tell people all the time what i do, whether it's on tv or anywhere else, it's not journalism. i don't play a journalist on television. a lot of these people think they're journalists and they're not. when you use a twitter account and put your point of view into it, you've stepped across the line from journalism into advocacy, and the problem is

journalism is a lost art and when the president says, you know, we had a lot of fake news, they get all up on their high horse and take umbrage to it. what they should do is evaluate what they're saying, what they're writing and ask themselves am i a real journalist? a journalist presents the facts, let the reader or the listener make the determination what the facts should mean. mark: what about so-called news outlets that have guests who throw the word hitler around like they're throwing around the word the, describing the president or any president and their policies. >> this president nor any other president has marched millions of people to a cold-blooded murder. i think it is an insult to the six million jews and to the 11 million victims of the holocaust to ever suggest that an american president could be compared to a hitler, and i

wonder where is the liberal jewish community that ought to be outraged that there is a minimalization of the holocaust by making this comparison. it's insulting, insulting to the people who were murdered in the holocaust. and it's insulting too, to those of us who believe that politics is something about which you can be passionate, but you shouldn't be stupid, and some of these people have just become stupid in pulling out analogies that are beyond the pale. mark: i couldn't agree with you more, and it is very troubling to me that we have dumbed down so-called journalism to the level now where concentration camps are thrown out there, where hitler is thrown out, there the third reich is thrown out there because they don't like a president or disagree with his policies, it really is beyond the pale. >> mark, i want to say, this i've been to auschwitz three times. and i don't think anybody can ever go and see what happened

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clarence thomas or not a clarence thomas, again, you've got 100 organizations out there, turning them into this evil devilish figure. the left has really, whether it's trump, whether it's supreme court nominees, whether it was reagan, whatever it is, the left has really become extremely hostile to even our political processes, don't you think? >> without a question, and i find it interesting that when kagan was nominated, republicans voted for kagan, not because they agreed with her, because she would rule as they wish but because the president has a right to make the decision under the constitution, soto mayor, the same thing, i don't want him to appoint a conservative or a liberal, i want him to appoint a constitutionalist. mark: exactly right. >> i want him to appoint a person who is i'll use the term, agnostic when it comes to

political ideology, what it meant when it was written and apply whatever law to that constitution and strictly stay there. the supreme court and the entire judicial branch is exactly what you said. it is one of three equal branches but it is not a superior branch to the other two. jefferson said that if there was a weaker branch, it could be the judicial because the congress and the legislative branch has the power of the purse, the executive has the power of the sword. judicial branch has the power of neither, it only has the power of persuasion, but the judicial branch is a legislative body. i want to say to people wearing black robes, if you want to be a legislator, take your robe off, resign that position and run for congress, then can you be a legislator. if you're sitting on the court, you don't get to make law, you get on simply look at the constitution through the clearest most focused eyes you can, and forget whether it's conservative or liberal, but is

it right or is it wrong in the context of the constitution. mark: but they don't even agree with applying the constitution. we talk about originalism, texturalism, if you have a nominee who says i apply the constitution, no, precedent, they like the activist precedent except when they don't like the activist precedent, they view the court do, they not, as a way to advance agenda? particularly social agenda. seems like the supreme court is cultural and social issues. >> interestingly, they've used the tool to effect legislative change that they never had the votes to get, whether it's the state or national level, whether it's abortion or same-sex marriage, two of the more controversial social issues of the day. they couldn't win it legislatively, they go into the judiciary and say we can't let the judiciary, the very body we believe should make the decisions change the decisions. why not?

if you live by the sword, you die by the sword. they don't see it that way. it's a truly hilarious almost beyond ironic approach that liberals have when it comes to they can't see their own irony, there it is. what i think we should start looking at is if we want these changes, if we want them to be done, then do it the old-fashioned constitutional way. sell the public on it. get the votes in congress or your state legislature, get it passed, get an executive branch who will sign it and carry it out. let a court decide that it is in keeping with the constitution that we live under, now you've gotten your agenda. mark: or how about this: if you think your position is so popular throughout the nation, why don't you try amending the constitution the legitimate ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage,

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. mark: we talked about amending the constitution, the old-fashioned way, there's two old-fashioned ways, really? convention of states, article 5, which basically says that the state legislatures, rather than congress, can propose to have a meeting, a convention, not a constitutional convention, a meeting, and the

states can send delegates and they can discuss just as congress would the constitution whether or not should their should be amendments, and go back through the ratification process. you still need 38 state legislatures or conventions, this is something you've endorseed? >> i have endorsed it, and believe it's the only way we're going to get a balanced budget amendment, the only way we're going to bring real reform to our system because congress is completely paralyzed, paralyzed because of the money that controls it, paralyzed because of the political interests. people are more afraid of losing an election than constitutional republic. so i strongly believe that a convention of the states empowers the people of america to get things done they've long wanted, perhaps term limits. but never going to get it as long as we put it in the hands of congress. mark: and i don't understand the serious opposition is this

not federalism? is this not what we've argued for, state authority, the 10th amendment. is this not in the constitution? it's part of the constitution? it can't be a runaway convention, since it still takes 38 states to ratify whatever comes out of there. isn't this a way to take our constitution as written and take it back? >> i think it is, mark. and i've always believed the best government is the most local government. that's a conservative bedrock principle. and what better way to make our government more responsive to the people at the most local level than the convention of the states which listens to the people from the states. it's a high bar to overcome. it's not easy, and people say, oh, it could go off the rails, not likely, i'd be more afraid they'd never get on the rails. not that it would go off. mark: and what's the alternative? we have what i argue the supreme court that the left wants to act as a polling bureau. can you have your four justices

but beyond that you don't get any. you have a quota system of constitutionalists. we control things. why do they fight so far? they view it as a politiboro that is order things. this cuts under that. this is true republicanism and federalism, is it not? >> absolutely what it is. empower. of the people in a way that gives us the most raw form of constitutional empower. to the people who are supposed to be served by the government rather than to be serving the government. mark: and even if the movement got close to having a convention of states, i think that would wake up washington like they've never been awakened before. >> it couldn't but do anything other than wake them up and shake them up and lord knows we need a wake-up and a shake-up going on in the middle of the potomac. mark: we'll be right back.

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mark: governor huckabee, ten or 20 years and now where do you see the future of the company? positive or negative or not sure? >> i say i'm not sure but i like to say optimistic that it will get better but i'm watching things happen that i've never seen before. the level of anger, hostility -- the fact of media to give people the ability to be anonymously hateful and have no accountability for their speech. the shutting down of the point of view if you do not agree and not just the point of view but other businesses associated with that point of view. we don't change that, i'm pessimistic. wake up and come to their senses and the university campuses recognize that they are defiling the very thought of true education, then i'll become optimistic. mark: of course, the rise in

violence that seems to be taking place, competition in the streets, organizations and that is concerning, is it not? >> it is but i remember the 60s we had riots in the streets and both were burning down the neighborhoods which is on campus and you go back and you look with a rough time. both been closed with fireplace over racism and there were bad things that happened in the 60s. i felt then we may never make it another ten years but we did with i have hope but ultimately i thank god has blessed the plate and i don't think we would be here without. i believe this that this is a resilient company and sometimes it goes through times and then it people wake up and we decide we are better than us and that is my hope for is now five nothing worse than what place

doing this for i don't mean the outcome but the battles were unbelievable it's been a great pleasure to have you smacked the pressure has been mine, inc. you mark i see you next time on than a bad moment. have a great week. we will see you next weekend. >> i am bret baier and four chris wallace. president trump invites putin to the white house after he walks back comments about russian meddling in the 2016 election. >> i have president putin, he said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. the sentence should be i don't see why it wouldn't be russia. i think that clarifies things by itself. >> we will discuss the fallout from the helsinki summit including the wrist in the president's own party with trey gowdy, chairman of the house oversight