up they are never letting you go. you will be here until retirement. >> we are waiting for the winter, come on out and make your claim, and then come to us. >> and we will have you on the show. "outnumbered" starts now. >> fox news alert, trump is reacting to his attorney after rudy giuliani told fox news, it is outrageous it was leaked to the media, and questions whether recording ends abruptly at a key point. you are watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner, here today melissa francis, fox news contributor kv, katie pavlich, and fox news contributor jason chaffetz, also author of the new book, "the deep state." that is available in september. right now though, he is

outnumbered. hello. >> glad to be here. >> are you bringing news? it's like spilling out of your pockets. new reaction to that recorded conversation between president trump and his former attorney, michael cohen. the conversation was recorded two months before the 2016 election came after the "national enquirer"'s parent company reached a deal to pay former playboy model karen mcdougall for her story of an affair that she claims she once had with that then candidate trump. in the recording, candidate trump and michael: appeared to be discussing buying the rights to that story. >> i had spoken to alan weisel brag about how to set the whole thing up, with the funding, and all the stuff. because here, -- i'm all over that. i spoke to alan about it, and

when it comes time for the financing which will be -- no. i've got that. >> harris: the recording was provided to cnn by his attorney, lanny davis. davis is the former attorney for president bill clinton, you may remember. david says this tape shows the president wanted to pay cash to cover up the affair. >> the only people who use cash are drug dealers and mobsters. this is trump, america. listen to the tape. don't believe fake news, don't believe fake transcripts. the tape says what it says and nothing that giuliani or anyone can do can alter what's on the tray. >> harris: at the president is calling the claims ridiculous and claiming the tape actually proves the opposite. >> first of all the major point is, it's outrageous that someone

would tape his client surreptitiously. and at number two, it's also foolhardy for them to try to kind of yell and scream and make believe what is on the tapes. the transcript makes it quite clear at the end that president trump says, "don't pay with cash." : dennings stands up and says, no no, i got it. >> harris: this morning the president weighed in on social media. he tweeted it, "what kind of a lawyer would tape a client? so sad. is this a first? never heard of it before. why was the tape abruptly terminated or cut while i was saying positive things? i heard there are many other clients and reporters that are taped, can this be so? too bad." kevin corke is live at the white house with more. >> what a day that we are off and running on already. plenty of questions here, harris, and i suspect there will

be a great many more. the central question right now is, what we hear on this particular recording in any way demonstrate violation of the law or campaign finance rules. in the short answer is not necessarily. but as you also know here in washington, two people can hear the very same material and here are two widely different interpretations of what was said. again, here is the president's attorney, rudy giuliani. >> what he makes clear is, this is at most an attempt to do something. i don't know any attempt in this category. so in any event, i don't think anyone could suggest that this represents anything that where the president did anything wrong. >> for his part mr. cohen's attorney and he said this really isn't so much about whether or not a law was violated, it's

about the truth. listen to lenny this morning. >> i say to everyone who voted for donald trump, don't believe me, i am a democrat. listen to the tape, the words "don't pay" or not her. it's about truth, and the power of the truth is what michael cohen now has. >> but it still begs the question, what on earth was michael cohen thinking, why would he record a client unless he thought the client was shady or something else might happen down the line. lenny davis try to offer this explanation. >> michael cohen has an answer to why he had taped conversations and i think he will give that answer himself. i can't reveal that but i will say that michael cohen has turned a corner in his life and he is now dedicated to telling the truth to everyone and we will see what happens. >> lanny davis says, cohen has turned the corner and his life, but it is also possible he could

be disbarred for that sort of behavior. more to come i am certain, but for now, back to you. >> harris: and playing the role of dr. phil today, lanny -- [laughs] just kidding. jason chaffetz, it is legal because in the state of new york you only have to have one party and the other party doesn't have to be notified. but the nature of an attorney without telling a client that he was recording. >> there are lots of problems with cohen right now. when your own attorney lanny davis has said, now he decides to tell the truth, that is -- >> harris: no, he turned the corner! >> while i think it's problematic that cohen hired lanny davis. he's a democratic operative who is known as a pitbull who wants to go after republicans and that doesn't make a lot of sense. but cohen, in my own personal

opinion, i think you will be disbarred and i don't think you will have the credibility if he ever does hit the witness stand. he has a real-life legal problems in that he took millions of dollars for lobbying without registering as a lobbyist and try to play off the trump name and uses fake business cards, i'm told, to go after and to solicit these millions of dollars in lobbying money to try to persuade a president, something that never happened. he tried to do it and play off the president's name. i think there are some unknowns as to what other tapes and stuff that he has. but what happens to attorney-client privilege? the context of everything here is not put into play. >> harris: that's an interesting point because, that's where we learn about a month ago talking about attorney-client privilege. >> katie: but according to the judge who was looking through all the information, and the reporting is that the trump legal team waved it. so there are questions about why

they would do that, maybe there are other bigger fish to fry and arguments to have over some of the things thate in that pilot... patient, so there are questions about why that would be waived on this particular issue. maybe because they feel like that's not as bad. >> harris: or maybe because rudy giuliani says, and i'm only saying this because these are his words, that they actually show the opposite of what everyone is saying. >> katie: that's what i'm saying, they don't think it actually harms the president. they are willing to be open and transparent in having this tape get out there. but the bigger thing is, talk about scrapings scum off at the bottom of the bucket, bringing in leo davis to clean up your mess. donald trump hired michael cohen to be brutal in defending them at all costs and now that the tables have turned, you can bet that michael cohen will be just as ugly. because he hasn't turned a corner, he will behave the same monkey always has. his family is in jeopardy now.

and in many different ways is at risk. >> you have the clinton cleaner out there talking cleaner, it makes you want to jump in the shower and wash it all off. david says, what's the point, what is this all about? it's about truth. and, i think most people have. and that was the whole thrust of the stormy daniels and michael avenatti soap opera, somehow getting at this mysterious truth, living in the episode of political x-files. the truth is out there, what about the truth of making more money and lowering those job numbers even more, those unemployment numbers rather. what about actually getting back on track? because at all it is right now

is a series of distractions. and if we are not talking about the business at hand and actually making the country better than we are just getting wrapped up in this two-sided drama. because if it's not the fallout from the helsinki summit, then it's talking about taking away security clearances for political hacks from the obama intel apparatus, and now, we are talking about this which we won't remember by friday. so in the end it's exhausting and you have to say to yourself, what is the point? is the point to usher in a pen's presidency? is that the absolute goal? >> harris: this it's in the personal lane, and unless there is some sort of connection to election funds which is kind of in the argument from democrats, and they sit first us to see if any of these recordings have seen that so far, we haven't seen any of that yet. this is personal. >> even lanny davis is saying, that's about the truth. he's not even claiming that

there are any laws. >> is a wonderful guy now that he hasn't been in the past? >> harris: to >> katie: eat the clue, i can claim he's making is that the president lied to the american people. maybe it's true and maybe it's not. i think the irony is to that davis defended bill clinton who was in trouble for an affair with bill clinton that he lied about. so it's an idea now that we are trying to hold onto some to a higher standard that lanny davis once defended just doesn't make any sense. >> and he was working to lower the bar. >> face of the standard of what is allowed. >> and most people said this is probably a tree that we don't want to keep parking up because politicians come by and large, no offense [laughter] tend to be -- because that's why she's here.

people who have affairs lie about it. that would be breaking news, people who have affairs lie about it. >> it's not a man or woman thing, it's people who have affairs lie about that. >> the idea that team trump released this, in this case say yes. i think it says a lot. >> so we could actually hear the tape, the audience sitting from wherever they are watching from. we could actually hear the tape today. was it discernible if it was cash or not and does that matter? >> no it doesn't matter. >> it was a transaction that wasn't completed. >> may be venmo. >> apple pay. [laughter] >> another reason they released this is because it looks again mike michael: throwing his spaghetti at the wall and hoping something sticks. >> maybe they are hungry.

>> stormy daniels' attorney michael avenatti hoping for some noodles off that wall, too. speak out so many noodles. >> okay let's move on. some democrats are issuing bold warnings to the red state counterparts about supreme court nominee to nominee brett kavanaugh. want to make of this growing showdown just a few months before the election. and senator is ready to drill down on secretary of state mike pompeo today when he testifies on capitol hill about the president's summit with russian president vladimir putin. and at this development. republican leaders warn vladimir putin will not be welcome on the hill if he visits washington this fall. stay close. >> one of the things that gets lost is the determination that this administration has had pushing back against brush and malign behavior around the

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are critically important meeting between the president trump and president putin, one that i think the world will have benefited from when history is written. and that's this administration pushing back between russia and malign behavior around the world. >> and there's more pushback against the president's bid invitation for vladimir putin to visit this fall. they say they don't object to the presence talks with putin but they are making it clear that he won't be invited to capitol hill. >> i can only speak for the congress, but it's clear that putin will not be welcome here at the capitol. >> we must certainly not being giving him an invitation to have a joint session because that's something we reserve for allies. what i think matters, and then i support that. but it's a message that counts. >> so i will go to your first.

it sounds like they are still eager to hear what the message was inside that room. we have mike pompeo coming to capitol hill. last time he did that, his testimony was great. i felt like it was very instructive and he answered a lot of questions. >> mike pompeo appearing before the senate to answer questions is very legitimate. i think >> ryan was right, it should be a joint session of congress inviting vladimir putin to address, i would not be the right venue. but anyone else who says we should meet with them and we should have a discussion with them is way off base, particularly the democrats who say, they want even meet with the supreme court nominee, they don't want to meet with mr. putin. these are people who have preached forever that you should be engaged in diplomatic efforts and i think that is a really, really hollow. what drives me nuts about the democrats is, when vladimir putin and the russians marched into crimea and took it over under barack obama's watch, did you hear much of anything

from them? no. when president bush was in charge and they moved into the republic of georgia and took over 20% of that country, you didn't hear much from them then. so let's give donald trump an opportunity to have some discussions with this man. i think that's healthy for the country. >> it is interesting that in diplomacy, they are like, this one doesn't deserve a meeting at singles in signal sets when you have meeting. and the rest of the world, when you have a disagreement with somebody or you have a problem, the first thing you do is set up a meeting so you can talk about it. it seems logical. >> the other strategy as you don't want to give legitimacy to a foreign dictator who doesn't deserve it by allowing them to meet with the president and giving them that kind of credibility. but we've been doing that for so long that now president trump is saying he's going to do something different to get different results. as far as pompeo testifying on capitol hill, we have to remember that the success of north korea and the success of going after iran, a lot of it

depends on how mike pompeo performs. and he needs americans include democrats on capitol hill to support him and give him what he needs to make sure that we get to the gold here. everyone should be interested in denuclearization, stopping iranian aggression, and there's a reason why were rex tillerson is not in that position anymore. we need support from both senators on the republican and the democratic side of the aisle. >> this is what the president had to say about the deal with iran. >> president trump: i withdrew the united states from the horrible, one-sided iranian nuclear deal. but we are ready to make a real deal, not the deal that was done by the previous administration which was a disaster. >> you are there? >> it was interesting because

that was a military crowd. i was in the front row and i was there with a chemist taking the pictures. the one thing i could say was it was a very bipartisan crowd. we were taking a different stance around the world and these are people from generations around the world. and we had a man and his hundreds in the audience yesterday, 11,000 strong people. it's an audience that understands sacrifice and a change in the compensation can be a change in how they do their jobs as well and walk out our democracy and freedom version of around the planet. standing there listening to the answer back on what he's putting out there was very telling because these are the keepers of our democracy on the battlefield and their response was, we are trying something different. this was not a rally, so to speak, this was a convention. it's a very bipartisan and i would argue sometimes nonpartisan leadership crowd and

there was a real thirst for doing it differently according to what they were saying and how they were responding. kennedy? >> kennedy: it will be interesting when the president comes here because he knows he has to have a do over and i think he understands his timing of that. i hope he does what vladimir putin hates witches, open up their discussion, not a press conference but there discussion because he loves secrecy. he loves being able to whisper into the ear of the leader of the free world. he's a sociopath who wants to work the ankle to his advantage. that's a given and understood it, can the president emerge from that with a victory? what do we want from russia? we want to denuclearize the korean peninsula and we want to renew the deal with iran and make the middle east safer. what exactly do we want from russia? i think it would be in the president's best interest for the secretary goes before the senate and it lays out exactly what happened in the conversation, that private conversation.

what happened, what were the contents of that discussion and what ultimately do we want to get? and how does the second conversation benefit us? >> remember just weeks before he was nominated by the president to be the next secretary of state, he was a meeting with his counterpart in north korea. so he has a journey and all of this, and ownership, too. that's the right man to ask those questions of it. it would be very telling, 3:00 p.m. eastern today to see what the senator is ask and answer. >> the president doubling down on tariffs and meeting with the president of the european commission next hour. plus house republicans consider a last ditch attempt to hold rob rosenstein in contempt of congress. what they want to do, and should they?

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stephen torre this is a fox news alert, president now calling on the e.u. to drop all tariffs ahead of his meeting with the president of the european commission and of the white house. the president tweeted, the european union is coming to washington to negotiate a trading, a deal on trade. i have an idea, drop all tariffs, barriers and subsidies and that would finally be called free market and fair trade. i hope they do it. we are ready, but they won't. this is the president faces criticism from his own party after the announcement that his administration will provide $12 billion in assistance to farmers hurt by retaliatory tariffs. earlier senator jeff flake same park farmers want to sell their products and they don't want government to help. >> farmers don't want ada, they want market to basically take these markets away and then try to make them whole.

them whole by saying, we will give you some aid. this 12 billion announced today suggest that this will be a longer-term problem than the president said. the trade wars are easy to win, not so much. >> harris: so what are the options here? >> melissa: said trade wars are easy to win and we wouldn't know because we've always just caved in the past. i always thought this would be a good idea from the beginning, he talked about the extra revenue that would come in from our side of the tariff and he should redistribute whatever revenue that is to the people that are being hurt so that you can stop some of the pain while we stand firm. i do think the other side will cave first. i know tariffs are horrible, obviously i know they are taxed. i have always believed from the beginning that like he said, what he's trying to do is drive towards know tariffs and no barriers. he tweeted that again yesterday and i do think that's what he's trying to do. and when he set it to the g7, he

didn't do it. and we were just sitting there and not responding. >> can i ask a question about slippery slopes? because according to "the washington post," perhaps the president's senior economic advisors are saying that he will push forth now with the 25% auto tariff. so now you have one from us. how long will this take for it to do what we said it was going to do? >> which would be fabulous to the economy. >> we were letting all the tariffs and barriers rise and rise against us and i think that like any negotiation you have to have the stomach to stick it out. if you are going to try this, you have to stick to it. we have the most consumers and of the biggest market. >> there's no doubt about that and there is no doubt that the european union wants access to that and so does china, and they absolutely need it in order to keep the economy is going.

now when the president talks about real free-trade a, also ending subsidies. and that 12 million dollar firm in agriculture company, that will be problematic. is he being sincere there and is there any way that they you can drop their protectionism. >> i think with the president is saying is fair and reasonable, and actually the way it should work. the president is saying, they are calling a blast. let's get rid of all these other schemes that have been put into place. i think that's why the american people are behind him, i think that's why they elected them. and those are tough times for some people -- and they don't like that though. >> if you asked senator pat roberts, he said we don't want ada, we want trade. >> we will have to have some pain to get through it. >> that's true. but i think it comes off pretty badly when you have farmers who

lived a year to year and have children to feed her, they have to live a little bit and push through some pain. and he does understand that. but the farmers have rejected that. we are now going to give aid to the steelworkers. the government is picking winners and losers, and who is receiving that kind of aid as a result of policies that are punishing families that are important. but politically, i just want to make that point. trump voters voted for president trump because they knew this was part of his platform. he's been open for decades about tariffs policies that they are also calling their senators and saying, we don't like these tariffs, please do something to stop him. so we do have this coming together of trump voters in these states like kansas, nebraska and texas, saying, we get that the president wants tariffs but this is hurting him

and we will lose our farm. >> i think it's a fight to get over it. >> they are reporting only threatening to go around the leadership and holding attorney general rod rosenstein in contempt of congress after accusations that rosenstein is stonewalling their efforts to obtain documents on the russian investigation. at today some of those house republicans are meeting with doj officials to discuss that request. they include congressman mark meadows, and bob goodlatte. >> i've been in that chair. i've begged and kicked and screamed and did anything i could to extract documents. the problem is the leadership doesn't have their back and you don't see the speaker in that meeting, you don't see kevin mccarthy on this issue anywhere and congress never actually sticks up for itself.

there is no consequence even if you do hold them in contempt. they don't actually have their back and they don't actually do anything and there's no consequence and the department of justice knows this. >> it seems like we are getting nowhere on this one. >> it's an absolute stalemate. he is the acting attorney general for all of this stuff, when it comes to anything that might have the word russia entered next to it. he is essentially the attorney general and he's in charge of everything. and that's true, someone ordered a side for their pastrami sandwich. >> he dug in and he's very capable of politicizing the whole thing. he stonewalling and protecting something. we need more transparency and all he's saying is, they want to fire me and it's just republicans making waves. the truth obviously lies beneath us. >> if you do will issue a

subpoena on the american citizen, then if you don't go you are going to jail. >> that's why eric holder was not punished when he was held in contempt. >> the sergeant at arms can't arrest him. >> so congress needs to have -- and judicial watch is more powerful than congress because they can go to court. and that they will actually respond because they will incarcerate them. now congress as i pointed out in my book which we will talk about a little bit later, they use to do this. these two have the sergeant of arms which would actually go and incarcerate somebody. it's still there. in the 1800s they decided to let the u.s. marshals start to do this and the whole thing fell apart from >> i have a question though, does the committee needed which sit a backing tool to contempt vote for rod rosenstein? >> yes, because you can do it in

the committee -- >> to one not do it in the media? everyone has been saying for months and threatening contempt. last they were saying they might hold a little but yet they don't do it. i think people who are sympathetic to congress not getting from doj are getting pretty sick and tired of the same people going on television and complaining about it, but not actually doing the things they can do without leadership. >> i believe they should be voting multiple times and bringing this to the floor of the house, not just holding it in contempt but doing it in the committee hearing. i have done it in several cases but i could not get jeff sessions to do his job. >> but who orders the sergeant of arms? arms? a: i melissa. i think we have gotten to the dog is chasing the tail is chasing the dog is chasing the tail. it's not that the issue isn't important. >> the department of justice just wants to wait at out.

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supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh, issuing not-so-subtle warnings to red state democrats not to support the president's pick. but at least three red state democrat senators joe donnelly, heidi heitkamp and joe manchin have either scheduled or are planning to schedule meetings with judge kavanaugh. meanwhile senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said there is no delaying tactic to prevent a cavanaugh conversation. so are they going to offer those people jobs if they don't have one after november? what's the backup plan for democrats is willing to bring their own? >> do senator warren and senator booker, for you to claim the moral high ground, at the same time saying we won't even meet the nominee, you will lose all moral high ground right there. >> while one is moral and one is morale. >> that's ridiculous to not even meet with the person. they already know in their mind that they are all going to vote

no. democrats have evidently all made up their mind. so just hold the vote. >> i mean, the rhetoric. people out there have to get so sick of it. it's about, you are evil if you are not agreeing with us. just give me a break. >> i couldn't roll my eyes any harder listening to that press conference. i think my eyes might have rolled out of my head because it's a ridiculous, but i find it interesting the standard that democrats have of evil. we can't call ms-13 animals or evil but he will call brett kavanaugh evil, and pretty much everyone understands that the president picks a supreme court justice and usually they get put through. the standards that they have four evil is so egregious and ridiculous, first of all. >> i think it's a sliding scale. >> financials this rift within the democratic party of the far left demanding and sacrificing normal, moderate, red tape to

democrats of the sake of the socials that they have. >> i so appreciate the way that you can look at this and you are looking for those points that are extraconstitutional, libertarian zone and so forth. do democrats do themselves a disservice by not taking a real look at brett kavanaugh, and they've asked for documents but they won't meet with him. so i'm confused about that. you want the people are dumb academic paper but you don't want the person. >> they do themselves a disservice by not being rational, normal smart adults and instead of hyperbolic grandstanding, what does that do for the people in their home state? were people like joe donnelly and joe manchin, do you really want to sacrifice your political career for cory booker? is that worth it to them for whatever they completely fought for? but if there are actual questions they have about the

way this person interprets the constitution, this is the time to do it. and if you are completely opposed to that and philosophically opposed to originals if that is in fact what judge kavanaugh claims to be, go ahead and post those questions. that's what these meetings are for. it's much better for the senators to meet one-on-one and raise these questions before the stupor grandstanding is stupid grandstanding that will take place. >> it isn't just about democrats politically but then you are telling her constituents that these issues and this person are not important enough and they can sit in that court for decades. they are actually saying they are not taking any of it seriously. >> in the hearing they will give you 5 minutes, they will giving you sheets and a video. and maybe try to influence this

person, and they are putting up a stigma. >> i don't know how you call this person such an accomplished american with an amazing beautiful family, and you are calling them evil. i don't think america buys that. i think democrats just show their hands on america rejects that. >> it is that sense of resist. attorney general jeff sessions not mincing words on the state of higher education in america. congressman, i know you are not a fan but we will talk about this now. stay close. let's take a look at some numbers:

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>> freedom of phone and speech on the american campus is under attack today. >> rather than holding a generation of mature, well-informed adults, some schools are doing everything they can to create a generation of sanctimonious, sensitive, supercilious snowflakes. we are not going to have it. >> that's attorney general jeff sessions addressing high school leadership summit in washington. the attorney general is arguing that universities are smelling students short by coddling them

and the editorial board at "the boston herald" is backing him up. writing " -- i guess we don't have the quote. anyway he was there in front of a lot of students were bound to go to college. kennedy, we talk to snowflakes all the time when it comes to college students, do you agree with the attorney general? >> i do. i think you have to challenge your ideas and put them in a pressure cooker. that's where the modern free speech movement started on the left, it started at berkeley and now there are groups that would rather burn that campus down. it doesn't mean you have to agree with it, it doesn't mean you have to go out and join the milo fran club, but at least -- and you also don't have to give into the history of the debate but it is certainly better for your ideas, the ones that you hold at this point, to really challenge them and see if you emerge with the same month when you leave college. >> and it's not just that jeff sessions is going to those conferences, but he's actually

backed a number of lawsuits filed by the young americans association for free-speech violations including berkeley ironically. >> the words that we heard the attorney general speak, i do agree with. and it is interesting to me that the liberals who preach the most tolerant are often the least tolerant of anybody out there. what i have a problem with is the attorney general taking even 10 minutes to go and speak to a group of students when congress can't get documents out. he's presiding over a department of justice that will not comply. >> you think these are separate but also important issues. >> if congress ends up meeting with him than i have a problem with that. >> fair enough but i think students also have the right to meet with the attorney general. >> let's talk about the students right now no matter who it is before them. i have so much faith that if they were exposed to all different sorts of views that they may be able to get off this

balance line that everybody else is on about who is right and get to what is right. maybe if they get some infusion of opposite ideas or different ideas they can come up with some fresh and new ones and take it to a new and better place. that is my hope and my dream and that they deserve every chance to get there. >> we got into a really scary place. having kids myself, you can't say anything at any school. it is a really chilling environment. you can't express a point of view, everything is a trigger and everything mean something larger. we have infused all these words with such power and yet you stifle all kinds of conversation and expression. i mean -- >> let's take the couch on the rota, katie. >> that would be awesome. >> it's gotten violent on college campuses, with violent writers going after pretty

benign speakers. >> so let's change it. >> i think when you look at what nikki haley said yesterday, she had a very important message, also. >> look it up, from turning point. more "outnumbered" in just a moment jean woke up with knee pain. but she's got work to do. so she took aleve. if she'd taken another pain reliever, she'd be stopping for more pills by now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong.

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>> jason: it is real, i went to congress, i was there for eight and a half years. i was naive to it but a and a half years i left leaving and i think everybody needs to understand this. i tell personal stories, things i went through, everything from the irs, to what was going on with lois lerner, benghazi, libya, the epa and the secret service. there is a lot there and a lot of history. but i'm proud of is what to do about it, how do we fix it. it's one thing to complain about it. what they do and how they use taxpayer dollars, there is this group of people, it's scary. it's about protecting themselves, they don't want exposure. they want to embarrass people. they want to release documents.

>> the other side of this says the deep state as a computer conspiracy theory and you offer evidence that it really exists. we are back here tomorrow at noon eastern, here's harris. >> harris: let's begin with a countdown to america's top diplomat testifying about what happened at the summit between our president and russia's vladimir putin and north korea's kim jong un. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. president trump is having lunch with mike pompeo before he testifies in an open hearing before the senate foreign relations committee at 3:00 p.m. eastern. lawmakers expect to pepper him with questions about the president's recent summit with the leaders of russia and north korea, and it could be contentious as some democrats are also calling for the american interpreter to spill what she saw.