most-watched, most trusted and most grateful you spent the evening with us. good night for now from washington, i'm shannon bream. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." last night a secretly recorded conversation between president trump and his now estranged attorney michaelen cohen aired on television. much of the dialogue was garbled but the thrust seemed to be that one of the men on the call had a personal history consistent with what you might expect from a long time atlantic city casino owner, consorting with loose women. viewers had assumed he was a conventional midwestern evangelical, this one must've been a total shock. for everyone else it was not.

for the professional hysterics in cable land the cohen tape was the breaking list possible breaking news, a hindenburg moment. here's a brief selection of the pandemonium from last night. >> back now with breaking news, secret recording between then candidate donald trump and his attorney michael cohen. >> released a recording tonight. >> cnn has exclusively obtained a secret audio recording. >> the president is firing back at that audio recording. >> the cohen-trump audio recording. >> tucker: 500 years after galileo the universe has once again reordered, this time by the american news media,im donald trump sits at the center of it, everything is about trump. everything he utters is existentially appalling.

every statement he makes is the single greatest moral outrage since the tuskegee experiment. in the eyes of washington, he is pure badness, unadulterated 200 proof evil. this has effects. because they believe he ishe utterly entirely bad, the left no longer feels the need to acknowledge nuance of any kind or practice restraint. just a few years ago they might've called him a crappy president, today they call him a fascist dictator like mussolini but much worse because he is not mussolini, he's donald trump. >> were in a lot of trouble but i've never seen before in my lifetime. and i would like obama to speak out against it. >> what he wants to do is set working people against working people, black working people against white working people. >> a president is not a monarch or a dictator notwithstanding

the fact that he often fancies himself in that fashion. >> that is exactly what you see in authoritarian regimes. >> tucker: what happens if you keep talking like this every day for a year and a half? some people will take you seriously, they believe you when they cure their country is becoming a dictatorship. and if they get angry. some of them will become violent. at least one might shoot up a congressional baseball game and who knows what might happen next. meanwhile democratic leaderst stand back and watch all of this hoping the mob doesn't turn onon them as ultimately it will. the democratic party is changing very fast and few know this better than joe lieberman, he lost a primary fight during his party's last leftward swing a decade ago. this week he wrote a d piece begging democrats not to vote for alexandia ocasio-cortez. she's the democratic socialist iney new york who is almost certain to win a congressional seat this fall. electing her would hurt the congress, hurt the democratic party and hurt americans,re senator joe lieberman of connecticut's will join us now. >> great to be with you now

>> tucker: this candidate may be the future of the democratic party, though the cutting edge of progressive politics right c now. why is that bad? >> she's got a right to her ideas but of her ideas take hold of the democratic party, it's not only not the democratic party that i joined a long time i'll go in the inspiration of john f. kennedy -- progressive on social issues, domestically pro-business, pro-growth in terms of economic policy and a strong foreign policy based on american national interest and values. she calls herself a democratic socialist. to me, she's more of a socialist than a democrat and that's not good for the party that rejected me in connecticut in 2006. i continue to be a member of although obviously am independent and who i support including john mccain in 2008.

what worried about me after she beat joe crowley, during the campaign she called for the abolition of ice, immigration customs enforcement. it made no sense, i can come back to that. after she won, three credible democratic candidates for president embraced the same call.d the old story about robespierre during the french revolution, i've got to get out in front of the mob, those are my followers. >> tucker: what happened to robespierre at the end, do you remember? >> it didn't end well for him. >> tucker: i think you can have a real debate on all of these issues but abolishing ice is deeply unpopular with the public it's going to be hard to win a campaign on that issue and i think it's a bad idea. i'm sure a lot of leaders in your party feel that way. they aren't seeing it in public. where are the adults to say that?

>> not enough. unless you are against all enforcement of immigration and customs laws, you need an enforcement agency like ice. these folks are against the atrump administration's immigration policy. they can't make a rational argument against ice. more people should be speaking out. it was interesting when ocasio-cortez beat crowley, somebody asked nancy pelosi about her and she said that was one race, it doesn't represent the democratic party around the country. the democratic party will not have any chance of retaking the house if the image of the party is democratic socialist, it doesn't work. democrats don't like the idea of socialist and power in america because it's not who we are. >> tucker: democrats are more liberal on immigration, that's fine. you can't find a democratic

officeholder who will explain clearly what exactly our border policy should be. you can't get a vigorous defensa of the idea of borders out of the leading democrats right now and some of them like keith ellison are openly saying borders are themselves racist, t they are inherently immoral. how do you feel about that? >> that doesn't go with me. the great thing about america, from the beginning we never defined ourselves primarily by our borders but by our values, the constitution, the declaration of independence. but you've got to have borders, you've got to have rules for who can come in and who can't come in. i happened to beco generally positive about immigration, what it has done for our country and can still do. not just open the borders andor say anybody can come in, that's a country without rules and we are a country of laws.

that's kind of policy that's never going to make it in america even though most americans i think have a generally favorable attitude toward new americans were immigrants. >> tucker: i think that's true. thank you very much for joining us tonight. always the first casualty of political extremism is humor, that's taken out into the field and executed. allie stuckey learned that the hard way when she released the parody video where she was interviewing alexandria ocasio-cortez. >> do you have any experience qualifying you for this job? >> i was growing up during the clinton era and when i was in middle school, 9/11 happened. >> do you have any knowledge whatsoever about how her our

political system works? why should voters vote for you? >> vote, it's democratic. >> this has been enlightening. >> tucker: that was a joke, it's not real. the congressional candidate at whose expense it was made at didn't think it was funny, not the woman who created it is being attacked as a purveyor of fake news. thank you for coming on. did you mean this p to fool viewers, did you intend it to be seen as a joke? >> satire has played a very important part of political dialogue for a long time, this particular tactic that we use, we certainly didn't come up with it ourselves. we've seen comedians since the 1970s and 1980s doing similar things. it was supposed to be very obvious that it was satire and for the vast majority of people,

this was obvious. people didn't appreciate the joke but you see the manufactured outrage from people on the left to believe that humor is exclusive to the hilarious people on the late-night shows comedic geniuses like michelle wolf and samantha bee. apparently conservatives are not allowed to tell jokes no matter what, that's what i learned this week. >> tucker: please be honest, when was the last time you heard a liberal laugh? and not sardonically or bitterls or enraged but actual mirth. look at me i'm carefree, have you seen that in the last year and a half? >> the reason why there jokes are exclusive to attack an end attacking donald trump's it's the only kind of humor that is protected. you can be as mean as you want against donald trump because they say he's a bad person and everyone who supports them is too. it's okay to be cool to those

people, those jokes are protected. any jokes that might point out the eccentricities of any other group, that's off limits. that's why humor has become exclusive to attacking conservatives because it's theer only kind that will allow you to keep your job. >> tucker: if you're living without humor, haven't you already lost? aren't you existing and a living hell? >> i think we know that about a lot of democrats but especially about socialists. we already know they lack a basic understanding of economics and geopolitics, it's not that surprising that they also like an understanding of humor. >> tucker: wisdom begins with humor. great to see you. we've got a fox news alert for you, house republicans are moving now to impeach the deputy attorney general bob rosenstein. for analysis we bring one of the most balanced people in

washington, jonathan turley is professor at george washington law school. we want to know what he makes of this. what do you make of this? >> i'm not a big fan off it. it's a serious problem when you go to dissatisfaction to devcon one and that's what impeachment is. it's a perilous path to take, the last time we did this was in 1876 and that was a case of clear bribery. this is a type of disagreement that occurs between the branches. having said that, i think republicans have a legitimate gripe, i do think the justice department has a bad record and what they have redacted, their slowness in producing i materia, so i get all that. that may be a basis for contempt but you don't want to lower the standard for impeachment to make it a routine tool when you have a great with someone in the

executive branch.r >> tucker: wouldn't it be more effective to first make your case in public slowly and clearly so voters understand? what you think this official has done wrong? >> i think this is right. i disagree with what he has done so far but he actually has produced more information than mostst of his predecessors. the case is not particularly strong historically in terms of history but i think these republicans have to think very seriously about what they would create here. the framers made impeachment difficult for a reason, they don't want impulse buymp impeachment, they don't want it to be a visceral reaction and i'm afraid i put this in that category. >> tucker: were about to see a lot more impeachment if the democrats take the house. let's ask about this -- the president of the united states had at one point consorted with loose women, i don't want to

shock our viewers but that's what we learned. what we make of the tape itself, the leaking of it, is this within the law, are there ethical and legal implications of this? >> it is likely within the law and that new york is a one party consent state. as long as cohen is a consenting party on the in conversation, he makes it under the wire. the ethics issue is much more serious. i consider this to be flagrantly dishonest dishonest and disloyal act by a lawyer, it's not the first time i have been shocked by michael cohen style of practice. most lawyers would find this deeply unethical. at one time, this would be a clear unethical act under the aba rules under state rules.s. the aba created unambiguous standard, but new york was one of those jurisdictions that have

been very strong on this type of secret taping. if they did say in 2003, it's not immediately, clearly unethical but they saids that because sometimes a lawyer might have to tape it something because of the great societal risk that a conversation might have read you can't do this as a routine matter, that would be unethical. this strikes me as well over the line as to what he has done. >> tucker: i knew michael cohen and i always wondered why you would hire him as your personal lawyer. it's like hiring bernie madoff as your accountant pretty unwise. great to see you. intelligence officials practice rampant bias on the job and walk away with security clearance which you do not have. after they leave. it's out of control, what's the fix for this? we'll tell you next.

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what is the reasoning for this? john summers is a former staffer for senator harry reid, thanks for coming on. you can't see it but i'm looking at my cameraman now who served in the u.s. army and artillery in the first gulf j war. he served his country, he left, he didn't get to take his howitzer with him. why would john brennan who no longer works for thehe governmet to get to take his securityy clearance with him? >> i think what we're seeing is another exposure of president trump's willful lack of ignorance about what this all means. two of the people he listed don't have security clearanceso but what he's actuallyd doing rather than punishing the people who he's met at right now, what he's actually doing is putting an obstacle in front of the people who work under him and his administration were working to keep us safe. >> tucker: i'm confused. how does john brennan -- i want to understand this sincerely, but how does allowing john brennan who is a cable news pontificate or and political

extremist, how does giving him a top-secret clearance when he doesn't work for the government, how does that work for america? >> i'm glad you asked that. >> tucker: that's why the show raised it originally. >> people like him whether youho like it or not are valuable resources to people who are currently in the intelligence industry who are serving under this administration. they've got a lot of contextual knowledge and a lot of experience in their aren't a lot of people who can match that. >> tucker: just to be clear, he never served as a spy, he's a political guy. he was not out in a trench coat in vienna in the 80s fighting the soviets, he was a desk guy appointed by obama to his post. he's entirely political and is making statements accusing the president of treason, threatening the president for

whom the cia works directly. their job is to inform the president, this guy is the president's political enemy -- i'm not against it but in what way specific leak with the current cia use this specific man's expertise to make america safe? paint a scenario for me, make me feel better. >> it's not just the cia, i haven't worked in that branch of government. i haven't been through those scenarios but the reality is like i says -- there are very few people who have thatat knowledge and expertise. >> tucker: what knowledge and expertise? >> look at the crises that we are going through right now, the major situations that were going through in north korea, with russia, with iran. you've got people who have served under multiple administrations who have a lot of knowledge. >> tucker: i'm not talking about a lot of people i'm talking about john brennan

specifically, the former head of the cia who walked out of aec government job with the single most important government asset he could take with him which is his access to classified material. >> he doesn't have access to classified information. it's on a need to know, the need to know is if he is contacted and asked for assistance. >> tucker: here is wise significant, it lowers the legal threshold for current cia employees to call and tell him classified things, it allows them to leak against the administration which they ared sworn to serve. you can see the downside but yot have not explain the upside. >> they will get up to a >> they will get up to a 10-year prison sentence.bo it doesn't indemnify them. >> tucker: they are doing it. >> i want to be clear about what

they have accesss't to and i dot think the public understands this. this is for people who have served under both republican and democratic administrations. >> tucker: the bottom line is we don't need to have him haveka security clearance. if you go on nbc and become wildly partisan which is his right under the first amendment, maybe you forfeit your right to have a government security clearance, that's all i'mnd saying. no one can explain why that's bad other than its trump and trump is evil. >> it targets a small pool of people, if he has an issue the way he describes -- >> tucker: were out of time, they're barking at me in my ear, great to see you tonight. the past year of the various russia investigations have completely dominated the business of government in washington but there was supposed to be a payoff in the end. we were supposed find a sinister plots between trump and

vladimir putin, instead we found intelligence agencies are intelligence agencies are hotbeds of partisan vines and political extremism. all of this adds up to the perception that maybe we shouldn't be investing this level of trust in our own intelligence agencies. that's a sad thing, what can we do about it. trey gowdy is a congressman representing south carolina he's the chairman of the house oversight committee. news of the day question, i watched as the speaker of the house paul ryan and senator bob corker both seemed to suggest john brennan deserved to have a security clearance, what possible benefits to american national security would be served by john brennan keeping his security clearance? >> the only theoretical benefit and i'm just playing devil's's advocate is if his successor wanted to discuss a fact pattern

with him, having that level of security background clearance would enable that conversation to take place. having said that, having a security clearance is different from having access to the documents. john brennan who said president trump is guilty of a crime for which he could be hanged, i cannot imagine they would have any reason to talk to john brennan and the president can decide who doesn't who does not have security clearance. >> tucker: i can't imagine how the speaker of the house could look at the stories describing what john brennan has said in the past year, totally irresponsible and extreme statements and to say that the men we want to have a security clearance. i don't understand how he could reach that conclusion. >> the only story i saw was that paul thought he was being

intentionally provocative, the president should just ignore brennan. it's not just him it'sld also comey. comey is telling everyone to vote democrat. how would you like to be investigated by this gaggle? comey, strzok, page, there are other doj and fbi officials that haven't been named because they aren't at that level, but they also had animus toward president trump. those of the folks that were ino these dispassionate, neutral objective roles and investigating the person who w ultimately became president of the united states. the american people deserve intelligence and justice system that is as devoid of politics -- i get that the president gets to pick the ag and pick the fbi director but beyond that, facts are not republican or democrat, neither should our justice system or intelligence community.

>> tucker: democrats are abetting it but if you talk privately to any of them who acknowledge at some point there's going to be a democratic president and as that person going to be comfortable knowing that the intelligence agencies could turn against him and destroy his presidency? are they thinking this through? >> there are plenty of reasonable folks on both sides of the aisle, they don't always make it on television but i think one of the challenges is and one of the reasons i'm glad to be doing a lot of work on 2019, the ultimate objective is to win. adam schiff says he has evidence of collusion he has absolutely nothing, they want this investigation to drag on as long as it possibly can because it's going to affect the midterms and they will get the gavel in their hand. regardless of whether you are republican or democrat, its higher expectations and demand

more from your elected officials, it's not just about winning it's about government and a responsible way that's worthy of people's respect. >> tucker: adam schiff accused me of working for putin, he's in a buffoon. it's sad. >> try working with him. >> tucker: i can't even imagine. the attorney general has singled out colleges for turning brighte young minds into sanctimonious fools and authoritarians,im he's clearly right. how bad are things on campus? should you stop participating in the system that is destroying america? will talk to a college professor about that coming up. are thing?

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attention knows he has a point. the sciences are still strong but the liberal arts are increasingly a joke, a bad joke that's bankrupting the country, when washing the kids to hate the values that built the united states. gender neutral pronouns, bias response teams, riots against conservative speakers, college increasingly resembled the rather than academies of learning. jason nichols is professor of american studies at university of maryland. we could have a subjective debate about the climate on campus but instead of doingyl that, why don't we have a quiz here? i want you to be as honestly as you could possibly be. tell me what would happen if i said this in humanities class at the university of maryland. i believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman, it's a sacred union, god is in the mix.

what would happen if i put that on the placard? >> it would generate a discussion. we would have an open exchange of ideas and people with talk about their different views. what we have right now -- >> tucker: i'm quoting barack obama there, that the secret in this, he said it during the campaign. no one would call me a hater or a phobic of some kind or say that i was alt-right? people would be very offended and you know that's true. >> here's what's true. ad hominem is the area of the right wing extremist, that's what they do. what we have is have real debates and will discussion. >> tucker: if i said that you don't think i would be at risk of my grade going down? >> absolutely not. i take absolute offense of that. >> tucker: i've got three kids in college so i have some sense of this. >> your challenging people's

academic integrity. >> and i don't mean to challenge their integrity, i mean to impugn their integrity. i mean to say, not suggest that they have no integrity and they shouldn't be in charge of teaching our children. >> who was they? >> tucker: i would say the overwhelming majority of humanities professors. >> you say that from your three children in college you can make that determination? >> tucker: not all, the overwhelming majority. let's try again a second statement here. this is about immigration and the melting pot and diversity. "when i'm forced to use a translator to communicate with a guy fixing my car, i feel a certain frustration." i want you to be honest, if i said that that i'm annoyed that some guy fixing my car doesn't

speak english, i have to use a translator, i would be attacked as a racist, that's another barack obama quote by the way. you couldn't say that, could you say that without being attacked? >> you say those kinds of things all the time. y >> tucker: yes i do. and i'm attacked all the time. i'm attacked all the time. it doesn't matter because i'm on tv, i'm not a kid, this is different. >> we can have a discussion, we can have a debate what you have is a lot of really sensitive people on the right who are if you disagree with me i'm a victim. we can't have a discussion without people feeling victimized and have open dialogue and exchange of ideas. that's what college is all about. >> tucker: i will concede the point that there are people who embrace victimhood because they think it empowers them, and i hate that. it's always degrading to the person who embraces that mantle. i also thank you for being

honest.rs if i said that on campus i would be denounced by professors and students as a racist and you know that. it's a obama quote. >> it's okay to denounce people. >> tucker: what about the reasonable conversation we were going to have? were out of time unfortunately. >> that's what we do every time we come on here, i denounce what you say. >> tucker: nice to see you. wall street is throwing money at tech companies that make no money, not just a little bit of money, a lot of money. they could be putting your investments and our entire economy at risk. our exclusive investigation next. if our exclusive investigation crabfest is back at red lobster!

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attention.th real innovation is being displaced by an almost mystical belief in the power of technology to make any business viable. this mystical belief could be endangering the economy. our show sent hillary vaughn to investigate this trend, here it is. [cheers and applause] >> this was the scene on wall street the day blue apron went public, the company almost instantly became cash rich. on the day of its initial public offering it raised $300 million but there's a i problem -- blue apron hasn't made a penny in profit. it's been bleeding cash every year since it started failing to post an annual profit. >> there in the business of making big bets and taking big risks. if most of their companies fail but a few of them get massive returns, that was exactly their goal. >> of the blue apron story is the new normal in american finance.

nearly three quarters of all companies that went public lost more money than they made. it's because investors are eager to bet millions of dollars on bright-eyed ambitious start-ups that don't make any money hoping they are the next google or microsoft. >> there is reason to worry, there are certainly some companies that you have to put an awful lot of optimistic assumptions together to justify the valuation. >> this strategy means companies that don't make money can massively outrace companies that do. tesla has failed to turn a profit year after year but its market cap has blown past ford motor company even though ford cranks out $8.4 billion in profit just last year. today, tesla is worth $54 billion compared to ford 42. the trend could be seen as a sign of a coming crash. >> companies do have to stand on their own 2 feet and that does mean generating cash. the question is is there enough

runway through the cash that they already have all of the ability to raise cash in the future that gets to that point? >> cashing in on going public is catching on. some of the industry's biggestus firms snap and twitter werea turning a profit when they went public. snap the hottest tech ipo in years and still isn't, its stock was up only a dollar on its one-year anniversary trading on the new york stock exchange. >> the hope is they can switch on profitability at a later date, they will find this magical monetization model that tesla will figure out a way to make money on the cars that it produces that snap will find a great way to monetize its large user base. >> the risk are supersized if the companies fail to ever turn a profit and investors fail, billions of dollars in value could suddenly disappear. not only are investors out of luck but they could be getting duped from the start.

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>> tucker: diversity is america's greatest strength, it's our only strength, everybody says that over and over again so obviously it's true or is it true? may be ought to ask yourtr neighbors what they think. you may not be able to understand them, they may not speak english. a new report finds that 22% of all americans do not speak english at home. i'm getting right to the concern, it's not that everyone should be forced to speak english because english is so great, the point is that countries not united by a language and a common culture tend to break apart, do they not? >> that is absolutely correct. pretty recently, the pew research center that a study in 2016, they were looking at global attitudes. they found that majorities in every country and nine in ten americans considered language

knowledge vital to your identity as a citizen. in fact nine in ten americans considered it very important as part of an american identity. >> tucker: if you're going to completely change the population, you can make a caseg for that but you can't make a case for doing that without having everyone unite behind a commonality, a common language. harry read several years ago when an english only bill came through congress described it as racist even though language isn't a racial category. what exactly is the argument against making english the official language? >> from the point of view of my organization, the general meme is that it's somehow sending a divisive message saying thoseti who don't know english are somehow not welcome.

that is absolutely not the case. we polled likely voters in this country and 73% agreed english should be the official language, that included majorities of republicans, independents, andnd democrats, 59%. we've also found in polls for many years, over 80%, 4 out of 5 americans generally agree with it. there is broad support for this. english is certainly important. brookings institution -- working age adults who don't know english well they earn 25-40% less than those who do know english. >> tucker: what were the numbers among african-american voters on the question of speaking english? were they supportive or did they think it was racist to ask people to speak english?

>> i think it was 7 out of 10, it was quite impressive. >> tucker: there is no racial divide on that question because it unifies us to speak the same language obviously. thank you, great to see you. >> i think it's unfortunate that some politicians would want to be demagogic. in reality, the support for t english is very broad-based and it's going to be very important, you are talking about spanish speakers. >> tucker: great to see you,sh thank you. we've invited in the name of news the creepy porn lawyer, he has a few preconditions before he will come. will tell you what they are next. (vo) i was born during

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>> tucker: we have repeatedly warned you about the dangers of the creepy porn lawyer you often see on television, keep your kids away from him, obviously. nevertheless, this is a new show so we have a standing invitation for the creepy porn lawyer to be on this program whenever he desires. we contacted him repeatedly with this offer and he says he will appear, but only on three conditions. first, we must stop using our tocompletely accurate creepy pon lawyer nickname, he doesn't like it. a second we issue a public apology for calling him the creepy porn lawyer. and third, he must appear alongside rudy giuliani, presumably so he will have a food source. we of course refused to these w conditions. we said he could appear alone as he does on every other cable channel or alongside alan dershowitz who was offered to debate him. his response, and we are quoting now, i am happy to go on your show and debate rudy giuliani who representsy the president or any lawyer that actually represents the president. we repeated our offer here he

can come with the same conditions as otherer shows. his response, tucker isn't unethical journalist and a hack. well, our feelings are not hurt. that invitation is still open. creepy porn lawyer can join us any time he has time. we will have a lot of sign, we suspect. we will bring it all to you. articles of impeachment have now been filed against the deputy ag rob rosenstein. the days of his obstruction may soon be coming to an end. we'll have full coverage throughout the hour.on and first, another day, another scandal, the sky is falling. the earth is shattered.

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