we have a couple of big things coming up this week, i will tell you later in the week. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. she's actually in the next studio over. ingraham's here. so i saw somebody this weekend last night as a matter of fact she said, why do you call laura ingraham? like "the ingraham angle"? you purposefully mispronounce her name. >> laura: where have they been for the past 20 years?"? [laughs] that is all i can say. hannity, will you announce our -- >> sean: we got to make an announcement. can we make it now? >> laura: go ahead. >> sean: we were all together tonight, i got to see you and tucker, which is great, because i don't always get to see you guys. the next time we are together we will all come on the show and have a little powwow. >> laura: a little bit. there is a tennis charity tennis tournament that we will do. >> sean: i haven't picked up a tennis racket in years. i play golf like an old person.

>> laura: oh, my gosh. you've challenged me to so many tennis tournaments, and you are like, i can beat you in tennis. >> sean: when my m daughter was ten, and she killed me, i thought it was time to give it up. >> laura: [laughs] all right, hannity. great to see you. have a great rest of the night. good evening, everyone. i'm laura ingraham. this is "the ingraham angle" live from new york city. is it modest to say a rivetting show? rudy giuliani has more than a few new comments about the mueller probe and some new allegations by michael cohen. we will try to make sense of it all for you. plus, why might the tsa bel spying on you when you board a plane? this is -- i got to say, it is a story even i can't believe. that you have it. we'll get to it. there are new developments in the case of a police officer shot in florida by someone who is here on a visa, we are still trying to determine whether he was legally or illegally here. we'll give you the very latest.

but first, the elite still don't get it. that is the focus of tonight's "angle." over the weekend, the libertarian-leaning koch network hosted a rocky mountain retreat for donors and political leaders. they use the occasion not to amplify and cheer the president's policies, but to decry them. 82-year-old charles koch has taken the reins of the network. he released this video in advance of the retreat. now he claims opportunities r in the global marketplace t are creating anxiety and the loss of jobs at home. >> in response, we are seeing the rise in protectionists where countries, organizations and individuals are trying to protect themselves from these changes. they are doing whatever they can to close themselves off from the new, hold onto the past, andr

prevent change. this is a natural tendency, but it's a destructive one. >> laura: destructive? let me tell you about destruction, sir. one can also make the argument that selling out american workers and offering up our industries and our marketplace for the gods of globalism is also pretty destructive. now the people who become billionaires by building and buying amazing companies, they are really smart guys, steel lumber, nylon manufacturers. over the last 20 years, they have grown their wealth by focusing, in large part, on global operation. some of that includes. outsourcing jobs and relocating plans overseas. today, koch has a presence in 60 countries. they employ nearly 120,000 people. only 65,000 of those people are in the united states. god bless them. but america shouldn't be facilitating the outsourcing of jobs, even through really lame

policies, like regulation, or through poorly negotiated trade deals. don't get me wrong.ot the kochs have done great work on tax reform, stuffff like deregulation, and also in the area of education. last year, they spent $90 million in university programs, and they are committed to expanding their support for k-12 education. i have a question for you. how effective other educationn efforts be if americans enter a world where china dominates most major industries? including the areas of stem science, technology, so forth including things like artificial intelligence.ud we can't just look the other way while china and a lot of other countries, by the way, game the global trading system and rack up huge trade surpluses. i.t., stem, unfair subsidies and so forth. any fair-minded person would

have to agree with what the white house economic advisor larry kudlow, a free trader himself, said over the weekend. >> people will say, well president trump's tariffs arere damaging this, that, and the other thing. i say, don't blame president trump. he inherited a completely broken world trading system, including a wto, most particularly china but not only china. okay? he's trying to fix that. >> laura: remember the kochs supported the job andix sovereignty killing trans-pacific partnership, and the nafta agreement that bush obama, and until the campaign at least, hillary championed. the koch network, like the rest of the g.o.p. old guard, is positively furious with trump'so use of tariffs to level the playing field. in fact, they announced's last month that they have committed to a multimillion dollar multiyear campaign to oppose what trump is doing onn trade.

i have a question, though. why would they want to lock us into these never ending trade deficits when the president's efforts so far are actually bearing fruit? we saw what happened with the e.u. last week. south korea already renegotiated their deal.e. and watch what happens in the next few weeks with both mexico and china. it's going to be really good. meanwhile, american workers, ane even farmers, some have been caught in the cross fire of trump's tough trade battle with china. but they are standing by the president. why? well, they like that he is fighting for them even if it hurts their interest in the short term. >> i am a good american. i believe that we all have to have to toe the line. >> you are okay with bearing the brunt of these tariffs? >> am i willing to take my lumps for the benefit of the entire country? yes, i personally am. >> you are willing to weather the storm for a certain amount of time? but how long is too long?

>> the scottish in me says to the death. >> laura: oh, scottish in him. i love that. don't you want that kind of deep sense of patriotism? they want to make money obviously but they areth also deeply patriotic americans and they are willing to take that hit. a i think the kochs can learn a lot from those regular americans, what they said. i love that take.. trump's immigration plan, by the way, also displeases the old guard of the g.o.p., the big republican donor class.. why are they so fixated on that? because they love the flood of cheap labor into our market. but trump sees the border and enforcement and the whole deal on our southwest border very differently, and he articulated it today. >> our countries have learned through hard experience that border security is national security. they are one in the same. >> laura: arguments of national security and culture are totally lost on the o

billionaire set. but for most americans, these are major concerns. now the koch network is taking it a step further. they are now going so far as too financially punish of someme politicians who are supportive of the president's agenda. they announced today that they will not be supporting g.o.p.'s north dakota senate candidate kevin kramer, trying to unseat democrat heidi heitkamp. what is the koch reason for that?t well, the republican candidate supported trump on both trade and immigration. at that confab i was mentioning earlier in colorado, charles koch made a big deal about "uniting people who were previously divided." what does that p mean? how are these latest retaliatory efforts actually doing that? trump is the one uniting people for all the talk of divisiveness, trump enjoys an 88% approval rating among republicans, according to

"the wall street journal," nbc poll.. only george w. bush in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 saw support likeke that. but the koch network and others talk a good game about unity embracing change, seizing opportunities. but when the president comes along who is actually embracing a new path, something different on behalf of the american people, let's try a new thing now, the kochs and the globalists just have their blinders on. they won't have any of it. a i had to laugh when, in a feature on the koch retreat, it said the following, "democrats who attacked the koch brothersin in recent years, controlled that, at least in the area of trump, the billionaire industrialist, are no longer the left's number one enemy." [laughs] yeah, that's funny how that works. that is because republicans lacked a leader for soso many years that the kochs were the only game in town. but now, the left has a new enemy. it is trump.

and they are resisting him at every turn. sadly, the kochs are too often joining in their ranks. like the bushes, the koch brothers did not support donald trump in 2016. think about that. but they have certainly reaped the benefits of trump'sha thrivg economy. are they prepared to take their profits that they made over the last two years and donate it to elizabeth warren because that will be good for their business? you think they will give them a better deal on the things theyab believe in, tax reform regulation, so forth? what a pity. if the kochs and their well-heeled donors miss the opportunity to support the president and be a part of the t america first unity that people believe in. and that is the "angle." joining us now the reaction, the "washington examiner"'s byron york. democrat and radio talk show host chris han and monica crowley, of the london center for policy research. great to see all of you. monica, the koch brothers have done a lot of good things, no

doubt about it. but it is wild to hear them raio on about trump's use of a tool that bush used, obama used reagan used, and is one of the classic tools of our economic negotiation throughout american history. >> yes, this is yet another example of the empire striking back against donald trump. trump ran on this premise that he was going to come in and smash the corrupt existingng order, the corrupt status quo. that meant the elite ruling class on both sides of the aisle, the media, and the networks like the kochs, who are so deeply invested in the globalist agenda. he promised that he was going to smash all of that and actually represent the american worker the american taxpayer, andct americans economic interests. the reason we have donald trump among many reasons, laura, is because he went out intoon the heartland and he said, you know what? i see you, i hear you, and i i will be your champion. now after just a year and a half

in the presidency, he has delivered on this economic policy to exactly those people. and therefore, he represents an existential threat to the kochs to the left, to the right deeply invested in a cheapap labor -- >> laura: they agree on the lot of the big issues. we've made that point before. they agreed on trade and immigration. chris hahn, is it the case, the enemy of my enemy is my friend? if i can go back -- byron has written about this -- if you cab put a loop together about what the democrats had about the kochs of the years, now suddenly they are again for trump is doing in on tariffs, and "the new york times" is saying "oh, maybe it's time to take a second look at the koch brothers." i find that hilarious. go ahead. >> i don't have enemies, and i don't think people should have enemies in domestic policies you have opponents -- >> laura: you know what i mean. dse we are having fun here. >> i know what you- meant. [laughs] but on the kochs, i was listening to my good friend monica, just now, talking abouti the kochs, i say they are consistent. they were never for trade

barriers. they would never stand for the $15 billion bailout for the farmers in the midwest that the president is doing, something that monica would have called socialism had obama done it during his term. the kochs are consistent and they are consistent in their message. i don't trust that they will supportve liberals. they haven't said that they will support democrats. they said they will stay out of heidi heitkamp's race. they didn't say they would give her money. they will still spend aboutth $400 million on the midterms to try to elect republicans and conservatives who agree with their viewpoint. they are still going to beep active -- >> laura: but what weew are saying -- no one is saying a thy are not consistent. what we areau saying is, their time has come and gone.s they have a lot of dough, they done some good, philanthropypy they have done. but the era of endless warsey byron, and these global trade agreements, where america really can't get satisfaction, frankly what elizabeth warren and bernie sanders have talked about at different times, they talked, about these unfair trading regimes that benefit their well-heeled people, those days

are over in the republican party. there is no constituency for it why we have an 88% approval rating for donald trump. byron? >> donald trump the candidate in 2016 really did blow up republican orthodoxy in some very, very key ways.ea trade was one of those ways. immigration actually was another. the kochs have had a complicated relationship with that because if you asked them last year they were absolutely delighted with all of ther, deregulation that has been taking place under the president, happy with the tax cuts, too. now very unhappy with tradee and with immigration. i think a lot of republicans are really going to part with them on this north dakota thing. for example, the kochs are now spending about a million dollars to support the confirmation of brett kavanaugh to the supreme court. republicans partisans would say if you don't support republicans to the senate, there is notub going to be another trump nominee to the supreme court. well -- >> laura: that's why it's important to support the

challenger to heidi heitkamp. monica, there's a big talk about a potential shutdown now.rt you know, with the border wall. trump said i won't do the omnibus spending bill again.n. let's watch what the president said today about this. >> we need border security. border security includes theid wall. but it includes many other things. we have to end the lottery. we have to end the chain. the chain is like a disaster. you bring one person in, you end up with 32 people. the whole thing is ridiculous. we have to change our laws, and we do that through congress. i would certainly be willing toc close it down, to get it done. >> laura: the democrats are already going insane about this. again, old guard republicans "this will blow the midterm election cycle." what are your thoughts? >> i think they are afraid that donald trump means it. and you know what? he does. this is a man who relishes everything go fight and when he says i'm willing to shut down the government unless they get real money to start is border

wall, they know that he means it. so republicans and democrats alike are really afraid of this. look, of the many reasons donald trump got elected in 2016, the primary one was illegal immigration, building the wall, and all of these issues. ending chain migration, the visn lottery -- >> laura: they've done nothing!di >> and he knows, in order to rouse the states going into the midterms, he needs to stick by this premise and shut down the government. >> laura: chuck schumer had no problem shutting down the government when trump was putting the pressure on with the daca kids, and he wanted to give withty, and he was fine shutting down the government. he tried to pass it off on trump. it wasn't trump. it was the democrats. now trump says, i'm not doing the omnibus thing.no he should never have signed that other omnibus. he should have vetoed that back then and he wouldn't be in this situation now. but do you think the democrats are hoping for a shutdown? t >> no. i don't think we are because we don't want to see people hurt by that. i don't understand hownk mick mulvaney still has a job at the president was so upset with the budget that mick mulvaney wrote

with congress that the president signed. i would say this for the president. if he doesn't get his wall before the congress leaves, he won't get this wall because the best-case scenario for him is that the republicans have a smaller majority than they have now. they are more than likely going to be the minority in the house of representatives. the president knows that. he's going backwards. i get the strategy on his part because -- look,. november is lost no matter what, so the president might as well go all in, put his chips on the table it see what he gets out of because the democrats are takini the house and they might even take the senate, and then there will never be a wall. if he doesn't get the wall, he might not get reelected. it's a real issue for him right now. >> laura: you are predicting a lot of things there. you will hit mega millions. come on. [laughs] byron -- >> please. i'd have a better backdrop. >> laura: the house of representatives might go democrat. this is the shot for thee bordr

wall. i think chris is right. you don't get this money now, i don't think you will get it at all. mitch mcconnell was asked about this over the weekend and once again it is kick the can down the road mcconnell on thiss issue. let's watch. >> is the funding of the border wall going to wait until after the midterm election? >> probably. that is something we do have a disagreement on. >> homeland security won't get funded before the midterms? >> probably not. >> you are not worried about a government shutdown? >> that's not going to happen. >> laura: [laughs] i kind of like that. byron, this is what they said last year. remember, last year, oh, we will wait until next term. next term rolled around, and the republicans, they just don't want this wall. let's face it. the g.o.p. does not want this wall.re >> you got to remember, this was the president's premier campaign promise. i went to a lot of trump rallies, covered a lot of trump rallies. this is what he said in every single one of them. if he doesn't deliver on it that he has not delivered on his biggest campaign promise.

i agree that, obviously, if the house goes democratic in november, just not going to happen. i think the president has not been focused enough on getting this. he has used other factors, like a chain migration or the visa lottery, thrown those into the banks, when perhaps the straight wall for daca deal could have been done. but if it doesn't happen now very, very good chance it's never going to happen. you have to remember, think about the secure fence act off what was it, 2006? >> laura: yeah. >> congress, by big majorities passed a rule to install triple layer fencing, really serious -- >> laura: democrats weree all for it. >> along large parts of the border, both parties, but it was never done because it was controlled by republicans and democrats never wanted to do it. >> he had to deal -- he had to the daca for the wall deal. that is what you call the schumer shutdown happened. that was the trump shutdown

because he called that -- pulled the deal out. >> laura: no, he didn't.mp >> he want to do. >> laura: no, he didn't. >> he had that deal and he was talked out of it. >> laura: chris, he doubledl the number of people who will get amnesty, he wanted the end of the perverted system of chaiw migration, which has tripled the number of immigrants coming in every three years. it's ridiculous. that is what he wanted, and he wanted the end of visa lottery. that made sense. he was going to give a doubling of the people got amnesty. he didn't pull anything. he sweetened the deal, frankly. >> he changed the deal. >> laura: it was what he campaigned on, and the democrats did not want to give him a victory. guys, we are out of o time. i wanted to get tomorrow but we don't have time. fantastic segment. thank you so much.or by the way, rudy giuliani, boy he launched a media blitz to take out mueller. you check that out? michael cohen. what does it mean? the shut down over the russia probe. next. ls? flonase sensimist relieves your worst symptoms,

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trump tower meeting with russian nationals. >> there was another meeting that has been leaked, but hasn't been public yet. there was a meeting, an alleged meeting, three days before. according to cohen -- or according to the leak, may be cohen withdrew this, i don't know, he said it was a a meeting with donald, jr., jared kushner with paul manafort, withit gates and possibly two others, and which they come out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. it's a figment of his imagination or he's lying. >> laura: what to make of that? here to discuss, john solomon opinion contributor at "the hill." and general charles mccullough a former inspector general who was targeted in the past for his investigation into hillary clinton's email server. gentlemen, good to see both of

you. john, you've been a lot of reporting on this. have to get you on this first. rudy was all over the place over the weekend. and that little exchange on premeeting, saying, picked up everybody's ears. what do we know about that? >> i did a lot of reporting a year ago when the story first broke on this meeting. if bob mueller was still interested in that meeting right now, seriously interested in it cohen's case would not be sitting in the southern district of new york. it would be sitting in the prosecutor's office. i think there's a lot of hot air on this particular focus that doesn't actually amount to much. there is just not any evidence that mueller has been that interested in it for some period of time. meanwhile, a lot of things -- i will say this, there is no tweet for the president could issue there is no defense that has lawyers can put out there, there is no barb c that any politician can put out there that will change more the course of the russia investigation then if the president were to declassify the

remaining parts of the fisa memo. this is where the story lies. when that is released, i think the american public will learn a lot about the flaws in the investigation, the circularn intelligence reporting that occurred, and whether there is any evidence of collusion,n, whh i don't believe there is based on my reporting. also i think we will learn there was other tactics, other ways of gathering information about the president, that have not yet been revealed. when they are revealed, they will be very troubling to the american public. >> laura: sound like you are doing prereporting. looking forward to reading your piece. charles, you get the sense that this is coming to a head here both with whether theen presidet will testify and the intensity of giuliani's comments about mueller and cohen. we'll get to your experience with the hillary email investigation, what happened to you as inspectorie general. what was your take on how long this drags on for and where we are today with this mueller probe? >> we've gone on for well over a year. there is nothing wrong with the administration putting a hard

deadline on this. they shouldn't interfere withmi the investigation. investigators get to do what they do. but there is certainly nothing wrong, these things can't go on forever.r. they are stressful for everyone involved. you have numerous people having to expend great amounts of money for legal fees. so they should put a hard deadline on this and stick to it. >> laura: again, we have a scenario here, where bob mueller puts on its investigation, not as an independent counsel, but special prosecutor. there is a fight going on now about whether the president is going to testify. clearly, from the beginning, the president was like, oh, i'll testify. but you run these investigations, you know sending your client in to testify in this open-ended fashion would be nightmarish. i think it would be terrible for the administration. john, do you get any sense that we are going anywhere except a federal court, and probably all

the way to the supreme court, to decide whether the president is going to be compelled to answer mueller's questions? >> you know, the special counsel mueller could have issued that subpoena a long time ago. it's been clear this has not been moving in any direction what was going to come to a resolution. a lot of conversation, no resolution. if you wanted to make it happen he could have issue thatom subpoena a while ago. my gut tells me that they know what they need to know about the president, they know enough to write whatever report they want to write and pursue whatever i prosecution they will pursue. i don't get a sense of a majorwr constitutional crisis on the horizon. i could be wrong. he would've issued that subpoena it a while ago if he had so chosen. >> laura: charles, i want to get your thoughts on -- about nine months ago or so, you revealed to catherine herridge that you were targeted by hillary's allies for blowing the whistle on her illegal server. now the president is mocked for continuing to bring this up, it o sticks in his craw, and in the craw of a lot of us.

you said that the november "sources and methods, lives and o operations, were all at risk." go into more of that if you could. >> it sticks in my craw, too. we started this whole thing. we ended up referring it to the fbi. but yeah, there were a lot of classified documents, highly classified documents, that were among this cache of documents that were on a private server. and there were open threats made to my folks who are looking into this, and to me, it is well documented at this point. it hit me the other day when there was this conversation about whether jim clapper should lose his clearance or director brennan, and i don't think anybody can answer right now whether or not hillary is still cleared. i'm thinking she's probably

still cleared at this point. that is probably part of that whole securitycl clearance discussion. >> laura: talked about the other players, charles? s >> cheryl mills, huma abedin -- >> laura: do they have clearances still? >> i defy anyone to get a straight answer on whether any of them are still cleared. my sense is they probably are. i certainly would have heard ife they be weren't. we would have offeredit if they weren't by now. the state department was >> laura: we have a lot more to get into. charles, you'll stay with us. we have a shocking investigation into how the tsa may be spying on you as you check in for your flight. this is a mind-blowing report. every american has to see this. coming up next.ev

♪ >> laura: the ♪ >> laura: the tsa is tracking american citizens on flights

without their knowing it. even if they have not been suspected of any crime or if they are under investigation at all. "the boston globe" reporting that this previously undisclosed program known as "quiet skies" -- what the heck? this program is generating significant criticism from within the tsa. here with us to discussat is "boston globe" reporter jana winter who broke the story. we are also rejoined by former inspector general of the intelligence communityrs during the obama years, chuck jmccullough. a wild thing. first of all, jana, great story on this. incredible reporting. quiet skies. it sounds so placid and lovely. but what is this deal? it seems to me that none of this know about it. i've never heard congress talk about it. does that work? how could we be tracked? >> here is what we know. we know that thousands of ordinary american to americans who are suspected of no crime and warranty on any watch list

are being followed by teams of armed undercover air marshals on domestic flights throughout the united states. when we reported the story on sunday, there has been a bit of outrage, i suppose, and at least four committees on the hill have demanded answers from tsa.t tsa will be briefing four committees at least earlier this week. >> laura: you did greatef reporting, enough to get everyone's attention.hi big piece came out an hour ago i know you saw it, it is your piece, "lawmakers demand answers on quiet skies, surveillance program, after "the globe" report." they're going nuts over it, as they should.po here's a behavior checklistov chuck, i read this checklist and i am like, i just flew this morning to new york. i kind of -- i experienced all of these things, or at least observed them. excessive fidgeting. strong body odor. cold, penetrating stare. that is the lady who wouldn't help with the overhead. wide open, staring eyes.

exaggerated emotions. and facial flushing. that is just to name a few. [laughs] what is this, chuck? go ahead. >> we've been running around for years telling people, if you see something, say something. >> laura: or smell something apparently. >> or if you smell something or somebody's got a stare. look, those items came from some study somewhere but the government i'm sure dearly paid for. but i am glad that the tsa is doing this. this is why we pay the air marshals. but we have been telling people to do this for regular citizens if you cease and become as a something. and yet we have 1811 law enforcement officers who are on the plane that -- they are not following people home. as long as they are on -- >> laura: what are they doing? that is what they want to do. are they keeping a database of people's names, observations about them? if these people have done nothing wrong, american

citizens, and have done nothing wrong -- >> if a person goes into a room changes, two, three, four times -- >> laura: maybe it's an adult diaper. maybe you are cold on a plane. >> it's irregular, andnd someone should knowledge that somewhere. if they don't note it and something happens, then guess what happens?? they get blamed for it. >> laura: go ahead, jana. chuck is really smart but i'm surprised. go ahead, jana. >> the reason why the story is out, and the reason why i know anythings anything about this to begin with is because the air marshals who are literally working thesea flights have said, this is not the best use of taxpayer money and this is leaving us vulnerable, as a country, and on aircraft, because we are diverting our resources to follow people who aree not suspected of anything. >> laura: this was started in 2010.sp everyone should know. this has been going on for eight years. i hope the inspector general of homeland security, if we even have one. do we have one, by the way chuck? >> i think there is an acting

over there. >> laura: okay. he gets to examine maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. >> there are going to bexa individual conduct, but if they have guidelines, and guidelines can be enforced, you will have problems case-by-case. we have been telling people for years, if you see something, sa, something. >> laura: this is people, this is the government. we have a constitution. >> would you not want them to say something if they see something? >> laura: we are talking about databases.er go ahead, jana. >> one, this is not see something, say something. these are trained law enforcement officers who take it very seriously, to become whistle-blowers. this is not, as you know, this is not a decision made lightly to come forward about this program. they truly feel that we are putting the country at riskk by following people when there is no reason to be doing so. collecting vast minute-by-minute information from the moment they are spotted

and identified from the gate at the departure airport up to taking note of the license plate of the vehicle that picks them up in the arrival city. everyone they talk to, every type of phone, every phone conversation, are they on a computer, are they sleeping? this is a lot more then see something, say something. this is not that. this is above and beyond and these are ordinary americans. >> i'm glad they are doing it t and i hope they keep doing it because that is what we pay them to do. >> laura: john, i don't -- i mean, chuck, i don't pay them to be keeping the tabs on grandma who happens to have facial flushing and face touching. >> they are real threats in the air marshals would like to cover them. >> looking for irregularities i'm sure that list came from somewhere, you can enforce controls -- >> laura: wait a second. >> that is not the best defense. >> laura: chuck, you, as inspector general of the intel committee, so all this irregularity with big government. you saw irregularity and frankly stuff that was happening that

could have hurt national security. so you saw people with good intentions go totally awry correct? >> this is different. we are not leaving the airport my understanding is. these are people in planes and in the airport who are doing things like ducking into a bathroom and changing three or your four times in a very short period of time. that's weird. that is irregular behavior. >> that is not what this program is doing, though! respectfully. >> laura: let me say, one of the other things on the checklist, by the way, the tsa has an $800 million budget. that is all i'll say. gripping -- >> there is less than 3,000 flying air marshals. there is more than 40,000s domestic flights a day. if you are following people who are not suspected of any crime -- >> laura: we don't want to do what israel does because thatt offends people. maybe that is why we are t doing it. >> we don't have enough people to be doing it. this is what the air marshals are saying. >> this has been going on for eight years. >> laura: guys, guys.

come on. i want to add another piece of data here. we will get more answers on this, i hope, this week, that is because it jana did the reporting and i'm happy we are having this conversation. maybe some good can come of it but right now, here are some of the other things. rapid eye blinking. adam's apple jumps. i guess that is when you swallow. and gripping or white knuckling bags. i white knuckled my bags in minnesota today because i was -y i mean, some of these things are ridiculous. >> maybe someone noticed. >> laura: maybe i'm being observed. >> if that is a comprehensive list, okay. my guess is those are a few items out of a much longer list. i would want context. >> i can give you that context. >> laura: jana, keep on the story. we got to keep reporting this story. thank you for being with us. chuck, invaluable analysis from you. we will have you back. we haven't gotten to the hillary email questions. we need a three hour show. the case of a florida police

officer shot by a haitian immigrant takes a tragic turn. stay with us. ♪ are

♪ >> laura: less than a week after he was shot and wounded at a gas station while responding to a call, florida police officer adam jobbers-miller has tragically succumbed to his injuries. his killer, wisner desmaret your may remember from our coverage last year, came to the country from haiti when he was nine years old. he managed to escape conviction in the past but now i.c.e. has filed an immigration detainer hold on him. inexplicably, the city of philadelphia just announced that they will no longer grant i.c.e. access to a rest databases the one wisner desmaret was actually discovered on. here to debate this is a former i.c.e. special agent in charge of l.a. claude arnold and immigration attorney allen orr. we were so worried about officer

jobbers miller over the weekend because he was in intensive care, we thought he might bejo improving. that came across my phone over the weekend. your heart sinks. as it does for anyone gunned down in the united states. tragic loss for his family and the community, the police turned out to honor him of the weekend. but claude, let's start with you here. people say, immigration, as his own issue. don't conflate the issues of illegal immigration are people who overstay a visa with a case that is horrible and tragic as this because police officers are shot by american citizens, too. >> yeah, sure. look, i have been to far too many police officers' funerals than i would like to have attended. several who have been killed by people who are here illegally in the united states. and we have enough criminals and cop killers of our own.

we certainly don't need to import any from elsewhere. the fact is, if mr. wisner desmaret had been ripped from the country -- he was here illegally -- thee polie officer would be alive. >> laura: allen orr? >> condolences to the family and community for losing an officer. i thank him for his service. the issue tonight, it's not clear from the court filings that this individual is undocumented or illegal, they are probably an immigrant with a green card that is deportable. i haven't seen that in the facts. if you read the case hearing today, from his statements, it'. clear that this person might have mental deficiencies, as he assumed that everyone was after him. the thing i wanted to say, tonight is that the issue in this case is not is immigration status but crime in the united states. when we look at the failure of immigration, it is not at this individual immigrant, we should be looking at congress for they haven't done. >> laura: right now we find ourselves in a situation where people are still allowed to walk across our southwest border

where there is no fence or a fence that is have torn down or you can hop over easily, swim the rio grande, and i.c.e. -- the border patrol, excuse me has stopped ms-13 gang members just last week with the week before, stopped known gang members, who have actually been deported out of the country and stopped on their way back in. there clearly is an effort by the cartels, by humann traffickers, to bring people into the country, both illegally obviously, and also to help gang activity in the united states to grow the gang ranks, to replenish gang ranks, that is just a fact. while of course americans commit crimes everyday, we know that, i think we don't want more crime in the united states. we don't want more problems in our cities. we have kids that needte help. we have elderly who need help. we have officers who are stretched with budgets who are stretched. we don't need any more problems. claude, right now, we have philadelphia, brotherly love

city, you know, they are not going to be part of the database anymore. what could that do to hamper the apprehension and understanding of the people we are arresting for these crimes? >> real quickly, i would just like to say, in wisner desmaret's case, he came here as a visitor. the family applied for asylum the information i have, it was denied. they were put in removal proceedings, he was ordered deported. but then, out of the generosity of this country after thede earthquake in haiti, they were granted temporary protected status. to show his gratitude, he killed one of our heroes in blue. his status had ended so he should have been removed from the country. >> laura: had he been removed we have an officer who is alive today. >> exactly. >> laura: let's get to the philadelphia story. the philadelphia story is yet

another example of sanctuaryth city policies going to affect. how this helps the people of philadelphia is beyond me. claude, quickly, then allen gets the last word. >> it doesn't help the people of philadelphia, this is just theau city of philadelphia doubling down. first they are harboring people here illegally by refusing to cooperate with i.c.e. and then now they are refusing i.c.e. access to the records, so the people they release from jail i.c.e. can't track down using that information. i believe i.c.e. should just issue subpoenas and then when they refuse the subpoenas, theyl should initiate a criminal investigation, and u.s. attorney for the eastern district of pennsylvania should convene a grand jury.fo >> laura: allen, the mayor off philly was the same one who literally did a snoopy dance when he found out the judge ruled that they could to the sanctuary city policy. as a practical matter, how does this happen keep the citizens a safe? >> i will move to my

conservative side. these are local people. the mayor was saying they did not want to be rapid enforcement. the problem was, not only was it criminals, but it was also witnesses and other individuals related to crimes, and the problem was, i.c.e. was spending too much on roundingd up the low-hanging fruit rather than focusing on people who really are a danger to the community. that is a problem in immigration right now. we are not trying to sort people out, we are just saying, every immigrant is a problem and we need to focus on that and that is not leading to security. we need to recognize that we 12 million people. we don't have the money but for it. >> laura: 12 million. 1,200,000,000, we'll probably there soon. great segment, guys. thank you so much. the gap between the elites and everyday americans is widening. ben shapiro on what that means for the country next. are you ready to take your wifi to the next level?

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♪ >> laura: what happens when a liberal journalist attends a trump rally amongst the actual people? writing in the "chicago sun-times," columnistua neil steinberg recounts last week's presidential rally that happened with steelworkers, he recounted it this way. "we need steel, trump said, we need steel plants. i look at the faces of your people, i could be one of you. i like you, guys. that struck me as either sincere

or an amazing facsimile. the workers, for their part couldn't give him a standing ovation because they never sat down. i left the hall thinking donald trump is going to be reelected in 2020. the democrats don't have anyone who can touch him. bank on it. don't hate me for being they want to tell you." hmm. joining me now is ben shapiro editor for "the daily wire." i thought that was an honest liberal view. he hates trump. can't stand trump. but going to the rally and seeing the reaction of the people, but kamala a harris cory booker, will they get the mojo going? what are your thinking? >> the culture war that is being waged is not between the elites anomalies, it is the elitists and no one else. people think that the jobs being lost of the "new york daily news" is a national tragedy but jobs being lost in the steel belt is perfectly fine. what president trump does better than any other politician on the

american scene, he conveys that he cares about people that are in these industries, people thal are doing the so called dirty jobs that people on the coast tend to think on the illegal immigrants are willing to do. >> laura: i did my "angle" on the koch brothers who have donel a lot of things on tax reform: and supporting brettan kavanaugh and deregulation. they've done good stuff on that. but they are just adamant that even discussing tariffs is going to creator the global economy it is going to be terrible. i 60,000, 65,000 workersba overse. they have 60,000 in the t united states, a lot overseas. they are the old republican guard, and they don't like this. they will start funding somegu democrats because they want to fight that trump approach to trade. >> i think obviously funding democrats is not the answer. i'm a free trader and i'm not fond of tariff policy.us the real key here, less policy-driven than it is cultural. the president has a lot of

sympathy for people who are in these industries that have paidl a price due to trade. there is no question that there are winners and losers in trade. overall, i think is a great thing for the united states. free-trade is a great thing. but to pretend there are no downsides to trade is not telling the whole truth. >> laura: again, the results of the election in those rust belt states, they suffered a great job losses over the last 20 years, china being in the wto, all these neocon hawks l wo all they did was tell us, we got to build up the military, that is great. i agree. but china is the big threat to america's dominance, militarily and economically. if we grow their economy at the expense of our own, we will be in trouble down the road. i also want to get some thoughts from you on something that is the opposite of what the "chicago sun-times" columnist road. this was a piece published this morning imagining the day after trump's reelection loss in 2020. here it is. "as trump seethes and tweets in

defeat late tuesday president-elect elizabeth warren celebrated, the arc of the trump story is starting to make more sense than it has for much of his chaotic presidency. the normal rules of politics doo apply to donald trump after all." so now the time was up for trump. they are already imagining his loss, which tells you, well, the derangement syndrome, whatever you want to call it, that c clie is wearing thin, they are now having to write about 2020 in 2018. >> they are desperate to take on president trump right now. they are hoping obviously that 2016 was an outlier and they will blame it on anything. hillary clinton being a bad candidate finally or russian collusion, which they have yet to prove. they want to acknowledge there is a stomach problem insidee the democratic party and screaming medicare for all in running hillary clinton clone like elizabeth warren is not going to fix a giant gap that they have with them at all the country wh may still consider a bunch off better cleaners working jobsry they would never deign to get their hands dirty doing. i am a guy who was from the coast.et

i'm from l.a. i spent some time in cambridge massachusetts. i am an elite, by any ofss these standards. but the bottom line is, the people in bootable country are doing work that is as important or more importantly thes people on the coast, who are sitting in their coffee houses writing scripts. >> laura: you are not an elite. just because you go to those nice institutions, if you understand the plight of the. regular working person, and you think that they have a role in our economy, you are not an elite. >> i'm an elite but not -- trump made this distinction at a rally. he said, the people in this audience are elites but if you are good at your job, if you work hard, in the united states you are an elite by any standard but you are not an elitist. that is where democrats get it wrong. >> laura: got it. ben shapiro. awesome segment as always. trie, "go this way." i say, "i'll go my own way, with anoro." ♪ go your own way

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>> laura: remember, trade that isn't fair is just protectionism of a different sort. his protectionism of >> trade that isn't there is just protectionism of a different sort, protectionism of cronyism.

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