>> pleasure being here. mark: god bless. see you next time on "life, liberty & levin." define who they are. this is "objectified: pamela anderson." this was the first cover i did of "playboy." - how old were you then? - i was legal. ( laughter ) i'm harvey levin. this is a story about a small town canadian girl who became one of hollywood's most iconic sex symbols. you didn't have a lot of acting experience. they had me come in and they just said, "count backwards from ten and say your name," and so they gave me the job. that's gonna piss off a lot of actresses. pamela anderson's face and body were everywhere. tv, movies, magazines, but her massive success came at a price. you did the sex tape that was supposed to be private. were you embarrassed? and her very public relationship soon turned toxic.

there was some domestic violence. - yes. - but you kinda got back with him afterwards. but despite all the ups and downs in her personal life, pam found her real passion in activism. and now, her unlikely assortment of allies include everyone from wikileaks' julian assange... - was it ever romantic? - ( chuckles ) ...to vladimir putin. he's not the most popular guy in america. america likes to blame russia for everything. they kind of joke about us. you know, they say, "what is america complaining about today?" pamela anderson, the woman whose all-american good looks opened the door to superstardom and intense activism. - okay. - hi. pamela, thank you so much for doing this. - yes, of course. - carol, nice to meet you. - nice to meet you. - barry, good to meet you. - nice to meet you. - so, um, first of all, i'm fascinated by your life, so what i want to do is, i want to take some objects that you've kept over the years,

and use those objects to kind of-- as a touchstone to figure out how you became the person you are today. let's start with the crib. - carol: the crib was a total nightmare. - harvey: why? pamela would crawl out of it as soon as she could move around and get into things. she took everything out of my cupboards and made her own cake and whatever before we woke up, like, at 3:00 in the morning. okay, well, i am going to talk to your daughter. - it's a pleasure meeting you. thank you so much. - all right. - pleasure meeting you. thank you guys. - pleasure meeting you, too. thank you guys. can we, before we move on, just engage in full disclosure, - that it's so freaking cold right now. - it's so cold. i know. - there's a lot of snow outside. - because we're doing this in winter. - but worth it. - tell me about what it was like growing up here. well, it's, you know, it's just a small town in canada. - very natural. - harvey: you're a small town girl. pamela: small town girl, small town girl. it's really cold in this house because it's been abandoned for so long, but this was the house where my parents were married and i was conceived and everyone lived for a very long time,

my family lived here, so i'm rebuilding it for my parents. harvey: so tell me a little bit about growing up here and about your family life. pamela: my parents were very young when they were married, 17 and 18. and i think it was probably a shotgun wedding 'cause mom was pregnant. dad was a chimney sweep, actually, and my mother was a waitress. and, um, my dad actually played a lot of poker, and i actually dealt when i was very young. tell me about the relationship between your mom and your dad. it was, i think, passionate, volatile kind of relationship. very romantic, they broke up a few times, but they got back together. my dad was the bad boy, and my mom was the bouncy blonde. my dad was on a motorcycle and crashed a few cars racing. - but passion and romance-- - it sounds like you're talking about you, isn't it? - a little bit. - tell me about what you did as a kid. pamela: i just lived on the beach. i lived on the beach. i had my little pretend store behind the driftwood log and sold, you know, shells. you're making it sound like "baywatch" wasn't a stretch. well, if you watch it, it was just an extension of-- - just a little bit up the coast. - right, right. you know, i thought about what's most important to me

and what i wanted, and this is it. the water, the beach, my friends. just want to make sure they're always going to be there. did you consider yourself pretty growing up? no, no. i always thought there was beautiful girls in the classroom, and beautiful girls around, but i always felt like i could be friends with everybody. i wasn't necessarily, um, cute. - i still don't think i'm cute. - you're kidding me. no, it's in my mind. i think i'm much better looking in my mind. i'm much thinner, at least, in my mind. - ( laughing ) - this will piss off a lot of people to hear this. - did you have a lot of friends? - yes. i had a lot of friends. i was always the one that loved the boys, but they didn't necessarily like me. - why? - i don't know. i think i was a very aggressive child. - ( laughing ) - so it was more your personality? more personality to play. i used to always say, "let's play. boys chase the girls." and then no one would chase me, so i'd have to chase them. you suffered severe sexual abuse as a kid. you know, i did, and it was a female babysitter

who was, uh... the bad person in my life, and my parents thought she was the best babysitter ever because she always brought presents. she was always there. but she was-- she molested me, and, yeah, it was very difficult. i remember i used to wish her dead and then she died. she died in a-- on her graduation night, and i thought i killed her. so i couldn't tell my parents that she was doing these things to me, and i couldn't tell her that i killed her. i really thought that i had these magical powers that i-- whatever i thought was going to happen, so... - you had a 25-year-old man-- - yes, yes, oh, god. - tell me about. - i was supposed to be at the movie theater and i was with a girlfriend. we ended up going over to a friend's house and, um, this man was teaching me how to play backgammon. and, yeah, then he attacked me and i had never been with anybody, and he was a lot older than me, and i was 12 or 13, so... - he raped you. - yeah. so that was, um, yeah. my first experience and... so, it wasn't pleasant. how do you trust people after you have situations like that?

um... i don't know if i do trust people. i don't think i do trust people, really. a lot of things have happened to a lot of people, and you just have to get past it and be happy in your life moving forward. there's nothing you can do about the past. i'm sure it affected my-- my life and my, um, my choices about my-- even my-- not my sexuality, but my power as a sexual person 'cause i think i really-- i say i flipped the script, you know? i decided that i was going to be in charge of what was sexy for me. and soon as i realized that was just my mindset, it just freed me from everything. it was really a huge epiphany for me to be able to think that i can live my life my own way. what were your dreams when you were living here? did you want to stay? did you want to leave? i wanted to leave, find opportunity and do something different. i just felt like there was something i was supposed to do, and i didn't know what it was. i thought, you know, celebrity people were born celebrity kids. i just didn't realize it was even an option for someone like me that grew up here.

it was never in my mind, and it still was never an ambition for me to be an actress or to be famous. so tell me what that is. looks interesting. yes, this is very me. this is, um, the hair of my dog, star. i think anybody that's seen "baywatch" and seen the little golden retriever... - harvey: that's the star from "baywatch"? - pamela: yeah, this is star. - yes. - harvey: that dog is famous. - pamela: this dog has his own montage. - harvey: and you kept that. pamela: and he ate a lot of bagels off the crew table. - yes. - huh. i want to take you back to the lions game. - okay. - that changed your life. pamela: i guess so. i'm glad i went. i wasn't going to go. my neighbors were going. they had free tickets to the bc lions game. and they had t-shirts and labatt's beer. they were representatives of labatt's beer. and so we went with my neighbors, and the camera zoomed in on me, and they told me to stand up and show the t-shirt all game. and then they had me on the advertisements. "monday night football," they would show me.

and then all of a sudden, i was the blue zone girl. and after that, i did a commercial for labatt. ♪ glad to see that smiling face ♪ ♪ hey, you're gonna like this place ♪ ♪ doo, doo, doo, gonna break out the blue ♪ so tell me what happened after that because it's pretty amazing that you just show up at a game, put a t-shirt on, and you become a star. pamela: phone rang and it was marilyn grabowski from "playboy" and asked me to come shoot a cover. i've been on 14 or 15 covers. not all of them have centerfolds of me inside. not all of them have pictorials inside of me. harvey: were you freaked out? i was, i was. i was very shy. like i said, getting over my shyness was really, uh-- that was really important for me to be able to... face my fears and be brave in all sorts of situations in my life after that. i think it really set me up for quite an exciting, bold life. it's an odd thing that somebody who is shy by nature and not particularly trusting goes from that to "playboy."

seems like there's a middle ground before you get to "playboy." no, middle ground, no. ( chuckles ) no. hugh hefner: she has certainly never forgotten her roots. no one in the history of "playboy" are more outspoken in terms of crediting "playboy" for their success. and i think that's a reflection of who she is. and she's one of my dearest friends, and i think, you know, "playboy" and the mansion are her other home. harvey: you become extremely famous from "playboy." it is still an audacious thing for somebody who, you know, goes from being a model for "playboy" to acting. well, i just-- i was asked to do a lot of different shows like "married with children" and, you know, things like that. - harvey: "charles in charge." - pamela: all those little things. i did those just for fun, and i thought that was fun, and then, uh, you know, "baywatch" was always calling me, but i didn't know how to get to marina del rey. i thought that sounded so far away. so i never-- i would never show up. and finally my boyfriend was going to have an audition, and i went with him, but it wasn't planned.

so you literally didn't go because you didn't know how to get to marina del rey. - yeah. - and if your boyfriend didn't drive you, - you wouldn't have gone? - pamela: right. and he was going for an audition, david charvet. so we both got the job. your life is just a series of chance things, isn't it? accidents. ( chuckles ) yes. yes, that's what i like about it. that's what's-- not a lot of planning. - so you were on "home improvement." - that was my first job. harvey: i know. you were a big hit on "tool time" as lisa. why did they hire you, do you think? you didn't have a lot of acting experience. pamela: they had me come in and they just had me on tape and they just said, "count backwards from ten and say your name," and i remember saying, "ten, nine, eight," and so they gave me the job. i don't know, it was something really ridiculous. you counted backwards from ten and got the job that way? yes, that's how i got the job. that's gonna piss off a lot of actresses. i guess i did it really well, though. ( laughter ) i think a lot of people have opportunity presented to them and they're just afraid to take that chance or they-- it seems so out of left field that you-- you don't see it. and i see those things, and i like to, when something calls me, you know, sideways,

i like to go and see what that is. yet and you were kind of reluctant at every count. yeah, there's always some kind of element of... - chance and fate. - ...chance, fate, danger. did you kind of feel invincible that you just had these series of enormous successes and it was never really planned? um, well i know, like, david lachapelle, one of my dearest friends, and he always says, "you are the least calculated, the least ambitious person that i know, and i don't know how you've had this life." it just kind of keeps on rolling, these new-- new experiences. and then you decide to do movies. yeah, i got "barb wire," which was obviously fantastic. and i really wanted to play a superhero. hey, handsome, want some company? you a cop? hmm, see a badge? harvey: "barb wire" did not do well. pamela: it didn't do well, no. so, in many ways, your first failure. uh, well, i did a movie. i thought that was incredible. but i was pregnant, and i didn't want to do any more film after that.

so it wasn't like my movie career had ended because "barb wire" didn't do well. it's just that i chose to be with my kids. seems so odd because you were such a huge movie star, television star, um, you were just a huge star at the time, and you kinda just put it on ice for a while. i wanted to raise my kids. that's why i had kids. you did a sex tape that was supposed to be private. i didn't do a sex tape. tommy and i were naked at all times. it was just an invasion of privacy. it was stolen property. i didn't do a sex tape. tommy and i were naked at all times. your digestive system has billions of bacteria but life can throw them off balance. re-align yourself with align probiotic. and try new align gummies with prebiotics and probiotics to help support digestive health.

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and i was so uncomfortable. i just didn't want anyone touching me, and i, um, got sick. - physically sick. yeah. - you threw up? i did, i did. really glamorous. when you looked at it, did you say, "god, i'm pretty"? no. no. no! i just thought i didn't like my body. i didn't like any of this. - really? you picked it apart? - yeah, yeah. - did you? - yeah. - nobody else did. - oh, well. so that was the beginning of the-- beginning of it all, i guess. you did a sex tape that was supposed to be private. i didn't do a sex tape. tommy and i were naked at all times. and we've videoed lots of different things in our life. and we put all of the tapes and our video cameras and everything in a safe because we had construction done at our house. and someone stole the safe, and we didn't know for months because we were having construction done at the house and it was behind a carpeted wall. and no one should have known it was there. and someone spliced together all these different times in our life and said there was a sex tape made, but i think we had sex maybe a little bit in it,

but i don't-- i've never even seen it. i don't want to see it. but it was stolen and put all together. we never made a tape. ever. we just videoed our lives and, um, and people assumed it was this honeymoon tape and everything else. we never made a dime off of this. we went to court over it. a tape was stolen from tommy lee and myself. ieg is now selling that tape worldwide illegally without my or tommy's consent. further, we have not received one penny or signed an agreement permitting them to merchandise this tape. last year, we turned down $5 million cash for the tape. my fight is not for me alone, but for all celebrities whose privacy has been invaded. i will continue to fight, not only for myself and my children, but also for legislation that would make what they are doing to me a crime. i mean, it was just an invasion of privacy. it was stolen property. people started doing these tapes for attention after this, but ours was completely just natural, two people in love and married and enjoying their lives together. it wasn't something that was-- anyone was supposed to ever see.

i was pregnant with dylan at the time, and it was affecting my pregnancy and affecting me. i was under so much stress that we just let everything go and said the damage is done, you know? it was more important-- the health of my son was more important than-- than the stress of trying to fight these stupid people. we'll deal with karma in the long run, so we just let it go. harvey: it made $77 million. did you see any of that? pamela: never. not a dime. never. and wouldn't want any of it. - were you embarrassed? - yes, i was. i never, um-- i've never seen it. not something you want anyone to see, and it was, yeah, really humiliating. how did it affect your career? - i don't know. i'm still around. - what do you think-- is it harder to go through the aging process when you have lived a life where sexuality and sensuality is a big part of your dna? pamela: well, sexuality and sensuality doesn't have an age, i don't believe. but aging, yes, is, um--

i've got good genes. and, you know, aging is something that is inevitable. but yes, i guess i never really thought i was beautiful, so i think it's the beautiful girls that really-- really-- - you-- you still don't? - no, but i-- no, i don't. i think i'm kinda cute. no, on a-- on a good day. but i'm-- i think i'm more funny. ( stammering ) are you being serious? - because that's the oldest line in the book. - no, i'm more funny. no, but it's true. no, i don't-- i never have. i don't-- i don't-- i'm much better looking in my mind. i'm thinner in my mind, for sure. so how did you get involved with julian assange? i wanted to know how i could be more effective as an activist. - was it ever romantic? - there was definitely a romantic, kind of, connection. i think that, you know, he's not close to people like he is to me that i-i can can really-- honest, i have a real personal relationship with him. is that a yes? ( chuckles ) it's a high-tech sleep revolution. the sleep number 360 smart bed intelligently senses

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"certificate of leopard adoption," what is this? well, this was a gift from, uh, the minister of the environment at the kremlin. i speak at the kremlin every december, usually. well, for the last few years, and they gave me, um-- i adopted a leopard. and they named her pamela because she's not camera shy. i talk about environmental issues and i talk about the illegal capture of whales in vladivostok because a lot of the animals that they capture, the belugas, they sell to aquariums all over the world. and i've been able to help-- i wrote a letter to putin and he made it illegal to import seal products into russia, which stopped 95% of the market, which basically stopped the seal hunt. you've been dealing with people at a very high level at the kremlin. - pamela: yes. - harvey: you know, putin's, you know, right hand people.

he's not the most popular guy in america. pamela: i think, yeah, america likes to blame russia for everything. that's usually the first thing that happens when i go-- we sit around the table and the first thing they kind of joke about is, "what have we done wrong today?" you know, they say, "what is american complaining about today?" it's, um, it's not even-- it's a joke. it's, um-- i think it's-- it's just distraction. - what do you mean? - just to distract about the skeletons in america's closet. they like to complain about russia, and i think it's a good way to-- it's propaganda, and somewhere in the middle is the truth. let me take you back. how did you develop this kind of connection with animals? pamela: i think i, um, i always had an affinity with animals, but i know that when my-- i found this dead deer hanging in a-- in the pump house. my father always told me, "don't go into the pump house." so of course, it's the first place i wanted to go with all my girlfriends. and we opened up the door and there's a dead deer hanging upside down with no head that he's-- he's been hunting.

so that traumatized me and then i told my dad he had to stop hunting and he did. - really? - yes, so i realized, "oh, you just have to speak up." and so then i started speaking up about a lot of things. every time you put on a pair of shoes, a belt, or a pair of gloves, chances are you're wearing leather. and out of all the things that animals are abused for, leather is the most common. to learn how you can help, call peta. thank you. you joined peta right at the height of your popularity on "baywatch." it was kind of risky, wasn't it? pamela: you know, people always ask me, "do your associations affect your career?" and i say i don't-- i don't think about that. but i'm sure, i mean, especially now, i think, that people always tell me i'm blacklisted. harvey: some people think peta gets too radical. does it ever get too radical for you? pamela: well, i don't throw paint on people. i think that you can reach people in a positive way, like when i wrote to melania trump and i sent her a fake fur coat and i asked her to not wear fur, to continue the tradition of not wearing fur as the first lady

because they're, you know, obviously become fashion icons. - harvey: did melania get back to you? - pamela: yeah, she wrote me a beautiful letter, thank you very much, and she hasn't worn fur. - harvey: really? - pamela: no, she hasn't worn fur. so that was great. so how did you get involved with julian assange? pamela: i met julian and i wanted to know how i could be more effective as an activist and we created activist tenure, and it's based on academic tenure, so we're going to choose ten activists a year for ten years and pay their salaries no matter where they are in the world. it'll be very diverse, too. it won't just be, you know, more digital. it would be-- it'll be people, like, women's rights and animal rights, environmental rights. and we think that we'll just-- we want to help create career activists. people that-- invest in people that are going to be activists no matter what. so how did you end up connecting with julian? pamela: i brought him some vegan food, and now it's a tradition that i bring him vegan food every time i see him, and i see him a lot. - i just saw him last week. - what do you guys talk about? everything. i mean, he-- i think with me,

it's kind of a relief from everything. he asks me about my life, my kids, my, you know, parents, my, um-- what i'm doing in my life. what's just-- and we talk about-- and he kinda gets on little tangents about the bible or the glass i'm drinking out of or, um, vegan food or animal rights and last time he started talking about jealousy. we talk about everything. he's just got a really interesting perspective, and i think he's a real testament to the human spirit to be in such a terrible situation and still laugh and be joyful and be excited about that he's stirring the pot and causing trouble, in a good way. and he's willing to take the heat for, you know, what he's exposing, and it's important, what he's doing. i think he's one of the most important people living. he's only exposing people to the truth. is it ill-gotten information? doesn't matter. information is information. if it's true, i want to hear about it. it's kinda saying the ends justify the means.

uh, well, you know, people have this-- i don't-- i never understood this theory of how people-- even, you know, when it comes to the police and warrants and things like this, i think the truth is the truth. if you're doing bad, if you're doing something bad, it doesn't matter how people find out about it. was it ever romantic? pamela: he's definitely an interesting person and there's definitely a romantic kind of connection 'cause it's a romantic struggle. it's a very-- you know, we have this closeness, and i think that, you know, he's not close to people like he is to me. that i-i can really, honest-- i have a real personal relationship with him. - is that a yes? - an imperfect person. ( chuckles ) well, i can't say. but he's, um, he's just a-- one of my favorite people. you're very much anti-porn, it seems. well, i wrote a book called "lust for love," which started out as "the sensual revolution." i believe the sexual revolution gave us a lot of great things, but also gave us a lot of really bad sex. i think that uncommitted sex is boring.

and i think that this whole new wave of information with this tinder and these dating apps and so much pornography online has left a lot of people desensitized. and, um, i'm a real romantic. and i believe in monogamous relationships and that there is an addiction to computers and porn and stuff like that. so i just think that-- i spoke at cambridge and oxford on the subject, and i had women come up to me afterwards in tears saying, "i can't believe you're talking about this. i'm 21 years old, and my boyfriend hasn't touched me for six months 'cause he's addicted to pornography and he doesn't come near me." i'm well aware of my part in all this, and that my track record isn't one of a saint. and it may seem hypocritical, a sex symbol complaining about porn addiction. a society desensitized through the easily available explicit imagery on the internet at any age, we go numb and become neglectful. neglect is a form of abuse, and it is also used to manipulate. and relationships are suffering in very painful ways. before the internet, was "playboy" porn?

pamela: i think "playboy" is very innocent and titillating and sexy and cute. everyone has to decide within themselves what pornographic is. i don't think so. most important thing for me is to be a good mom and to be there for them. you know, you were a sex symbol. how did it affect them in school? oh, they-- they got into some fights. you know, people tease them. look, it wasn't a secret that you had done "playboy" 15 times. it wasn't a secret about this tape. it's willingham, edge of the box, willingham shoots... goooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! that...was...magic. willingham tucks it in and puts the championship to bed. sweet dreams, nighty night. as long as soccer players celebrate with a slide, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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so tell me what this is. oh, this is a brandon creation, brandon lee. it's actually very funny because brandon's an amazing artist. i remember dropping them off at surf school when they were young,

and them coming up to the car and saying, "are you pamela anderson?" and i said, "why?" and he goes, "all these kids down here are screaming that you're pamela anderson. what is that? is that bad? is it good?" at career day at school, they would ask what does your mom and dad do, and, "my dad's a rock star and my mom rescues animals." - they had no idea about you. - they didn't really know that i did anything else. - "baywatch"? - no. see, well, this is after they found out. - harvey: so this is his version of "baywatch." - pamela: yes. and he used to tell people, "don't worry, my mom's a lifeguard." ( laughter ) swimmers: help! help! help! victims in the water! ( music playing ) who is that? you wanted to be a mom when you were growing up? yes. obviously, i wanted to be a mom, wife. yeah, i always did. i always did. - harvey: more than career? - pamela: yes. yeah, i think so. harvey: i have to say that when you look at pamela anderson, maternal isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

- no? no? - nope. nope. ( chuckles ) i'm a good mom. - and you're a great-- you are a great mom. - ask my kids. just because i'm covered in glitter doesn't mean i'm a bad mom. i would still be the girl, the lady at the-- taking the kids out of the car every morning and kind of judging people by their messy cars, and then when i'd shut the car door i would see my reflection and see that i was covered in glitter and black mascara everywhere 'cause i'd been, you know, working on a photo shoot or something, but that's what i-- i was always there. i was at everything, every game, everything i could possibly be at. harvey: you quit "baywatch" after having brandon. it's pretty amazing for somebody who was on a hugely successful show with a big career and something that is coveted in hollywood, and you gave it up. well, i think i had a good, long run at it, and then i wanted to be a mom. the most important thing for me is to be a good mom and to be there for them. ( chuckles ) it's as simple as that. you protected these kids, um,

almost michael jackson-style. ( chuckles ) michael jackson. i love michael. harvey: you did. i mean, you really wanted to keep them out of the spotlight. pamela: yes, it wasn't their choice to be in the spotlight. i never dragged them down red carpets. people that put their kids on instagram, it's dangerous 'cause there's a lot of crazy people in the world. they both got into really amazing universities and, you know, dylan got into usc, and brandon got into queens university in canada, which is like the harvard of canada. brandon's taking acting classes, and dylan went to school for music, a specific school for his music. - we are in canada in their bedrooms... - yes. harvey: ...where you moved them from malibu when they were 13 years old. pamela: well, they went to boarding school at 13 in canada. i was really-- it was really important to me that they got some canadian roots in them, and some-- and also, it was good to, uh.... just get them out of la. and they are so interesting and confident. you know, they've had very colorful lives. they've been raised around all sorts of different people and artists. and i'm just proud of both of them.

they're both healthy and they're not, you know, into the-- into anything bad. and they're very focused. they're not like me. they are calculated and ambitious and boys. and they're so sweet. with me, they don't let me pay for anything, do anything. they look after mom. they don't ask me for anything. they're very proud. how did it affect them that you had, you know, you were a sex symbol, you were on "baywatch." you know, this tape had come out. how did it affect them in school? oh, they-- they got into some fights. you know, people teased them and, uh, they, unfortunately, came upon things that i was waiting age appropriately to be able to talk to them about these things, and there's never a right time. harvey: well, it wasn't a secret that you had done "playboy" 15 times. it wasn't a secret you were on "baywatch." it wasn't a secret about this tape. i mean, that was bad. kids in school teasing them about seeing their mom and dad. and that was hurtful and horrible, and also-- and when i did "playboy" too, i wasn't thinking, "oh, i'm gonna do 'playboy' now, and this is gonna hurt my children when they're born and raised and, you know,

you don't think of these things when you're doing them. and... you know, they just had to-- they-- i just had to tell them, "look, your parents are your parents. your mom loves you, your dad loves you, we are who we are, and nothing's gonna change. this, you know, the tape is out. i'm in 'playboy.' you know i'm a good mom. you know what reality is, and everyone else is gonna say whatever they want to say. so you have to be strong and know you're loved and know we did the best we can, and we have a funny family. maybe it's different than everybody else, but we care about each other and-- and we do the best we can." if one of them brought home a girl and said, "i'm gonna marry her," and you looked at her, and you said, "that girl is just like me." - oh! - would you say do it or don't? - do it, of course. - ( laughing ) no, but they've-- the have good taste. they have good taste, and i don't have any, um-- they'll make the right choice. the relationship started to go bad. there was some domestic violence. it was very famously reported.

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- so what's this? - oh, uh, the swear jar.

there's not a lot of money in here, so it means, um, we don't swear a lot. what-- what is-- okay, what is the swear jar? - the kids and i. - so... but now if they swear, they have to put money in here, too. - did it with tommy, too. - how big was the jar when you were with tommy? - oh, big one. a big one. - ( laughter ) ( bleep ), yeah! ( cheers and applause ) can i get a ( bleep ), yeah? - crowd: ( bleep ), yeah. - ( bleep ), yeah! - crowd: ( bleep ), yeah. - ( bleep ), yeah, bro. uh, tell me what kind of men you're attracted to. oh, god. i don't know, different. i like people that are-- i think i'm really, um, interested in people that are more eccentric, maybe. harvey: you dated david charvet, tommy lee, kid rock. so what's the common thread with all these guys? i think they're all really good at what they do. you know, i think that, um, yeah, i like people that are talented and smart. and interesting, just different.

all the people i mentioned are celebrities. uh, not all-- well, i mean, people that i've dated, i guess i've-- what, musicians? a couple of musicians and a surfer. - harvey: that's kelly slater, right? - pamela: yeah, kelly. - harvey: but he's famous, too. - pamela: yeah, i guess. but these are the people that pursued me, so... i'm a girl. i don't do the pursuing. tommy lee pursued you? - yes. very, very-- yeah. in a big way. - in a big way. tell me how that happened. uh, he found out that i was doing a photo shoot in mexico and followed me there and asked me to marry him. and i married him in four days. i'm all for impulsiveness, but four days to get married? yes, believe me, it was, um, a bizarre decision, but it-- it, again, it was just meant to be. we just felt it. harvey: why? i mean, what was it that drew you to-- pamela: love at first sight. i don't know. i always felt that i was gonna get married if someone really was aggressive and wanted to marry me and was, like, caveman style, and that's how it was, so... but we had everything in common.

we were really, um, suited for each other, and had beautiful kids. no regrets. did the romance ever kind of fade there? because it seemed like there was passion the whole time. had passion the whole time, right to the end. so that's interesting because with all the problems, you still had passion. yes. i think very much in love, and the kids do know they were born out of true love. that's one thing that they-- that they know. when you married him, as much as you were pursued by paparazzi, - it went on steroids, at that point. - yes. - man: tommy! - get the ( bleep ) out of here! - man: hey, tommy! - you ( bleep )! pamela: i think it was partly the reason why we didn't really make it in our relationship. we were just pursued all the time, people hanging from trees, people running us off the road. i remember being pregnant and paparazzi jumping on our car and getting in-- tommy was always in fights, and, you know? just trying to protect me, you know? i think it's very-- it's difficult. and i try and explain that now to people that--

when, you know, paparazzi come up to you, you have to just pretend they're invisible. don't give them anything. the relationship started to go bad. there was some domestic violence. it was very famously reported. people are saying, you know, that i had beaten pamela. that is not true. that's just not true. i-- grabbing a woman and shaking a woman is not-- not cool either. but that's what-- that's what was done. i don't really want to get into it too much because it's the past. it's history. but looking back, i can see how certain things that he was going through and doing affected his actions, too, so... you went through a nasty divorce, but you kinda got back with him afterwards. yeah, back and forth, back and forth. ( chuckles ) i wanted to have a mother and a father for my kids. i really wanted that, you know? that was really important to me. i just thought, "how can we screw this up when there's definitely love there?

so let's try and work it out." it just was too broken at that point. i'm greatly saddened that my children are gonna grow up without their mother and father being married. that-- that really-- that bothers me a lot. i thought we'd be together forever. i really did. - you, uh, married kid rock. - yes. harvey: there was a pretty famous incident in 2007 at the mtv vma awards where tommy went after kid rock. i remember it because it was the very first day tmz went on television. - oh, no. - and i remember we thought we've got to blow up the whole show because look what just happened. pamela: i could just see them looking at each other and i thought, "something bad is gonna happen." and i end up going out the door leaving, and they jumped at each other on live tv. and went after each other. - you're like helen of troy. - i don't know. i just went to my hotel, and as soon as i got to my hotel, my friends were there saying, "you're not going to believe what happened." and i said, "oh, no." i could feel it.

i could feel like something was going to happen. and then, you know, you married rick salomon not once, but twice. you are a girl who doesn't quit. pamela: i mean, i knew rick a long, long time, and he pursued me for years and years and years. and i just thought, "well maybe you should just marry your friend." 'cause he was so persistent. and then that didn't work, and then he got sober, and i thought maybe that would work. again, thinking you could marry your friend, and that would be different than marrying someone you're really... romantically passionate about. i don't know. i don't like confrontation, and when things get a little bit difficult, i run for the hills. so i think i've learned, looking back, that maybe i didn't have to run away so fast. i could have probably worked through some things in different places, but, again, my mom always says, "no, you weren't with the right men, so you made all the right decisions." so, here i am. - i don't know why you want to do this. - i'm not jumping in. - i'm just jump-- i'm just-- i'm just-- - oh, god. i feel like such a wuss, but i'm not gonna do this.

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- harvey: seriously? - pamela: i'm serious. it's his favorite place to poop. - harvey: and you pick it up? - pamela: of course i pick it up. - harvey: oh, good. okay, okay. - pamela: don't worry, don't worry. harvey: so this is your life now, huh? pamela: yes. well, this is paris. i'm in marseille now. harvey: and you moved to france. why? pamela: well, i moved to saint-tropez for the summer, and i rented my house out, and then i decided to stay. fell in love, moved to marseille, and i'm still there. and i have my dog there, and i have, um, just a normal, fun, beautiful life with family, and it's new, you know? it's a new language. it's a new country. it's new people. you have to have a lot of courage to just pick up and move to a new country and learn a new language, so... i take french lessons three times a week. it's fun, it's good. sometimes it's a little scary, but i like to be scared. so tell me about adil. he's a soccer player. - oh, yeah. - there's an age difference between you and adil. - oh, god, who cares? there's no such thing as age. - well, there is. age is an illusion. new love, new life. - but you're living with him now. - yes. yeah, we live together in marseille, and everything is great.

- he's a good person. i love it. - tell me about your life here. it's-- well, i'm still in the south of france. i knew i'd be there at this point in my life, so i'm there. and i travel a lot. i'm doing a magic show right now, which is kinda funny. - that's really interesting. how did that happen, too? - i know. - because this is a left turn. - well, las vegas. i did it-- you know, this is-- this is from when i was in vegas. i did the-- i was a magician's assistant with hans klok just for fun 'cause i love magic and i love to be on stage. and this is a very dangerous trick we do in germany where it's fire, spikes, gasoline. all sorts of crazy things could go wrong. and i need a little bit of excitement in my life where i create drama where there needs to be none. so, i-- it's good for me. but i'm covered in bruises and i'm always hurt and burnt and things like that. you know, it's funny because one of the things that i've always believed is that change keeps you young. - that's it, yes. - i really believe that. that if you constantly challenge yourself, find new things, it just energizes you, it does something to your body.

- yes. - you seem to really believe that. ( chuckles ) i do. yes. just keep active. keep challenging yourself. like, i meet a lot of women, too, that are older, that have so much life in them that are alone, and i think, "god, don't give up on love, don't give up on your dreams, don't give up on anything because we just gotta keep going full blast until we're gone." you know? ( chuckles ) - you're doing that, aren't you? - that's how i feel. yes, yes, yes. - i don't know why you want to do this. - i'm not jumping in. - i'm just jump-- i'm just-- i'm just-- - oh, god. - ( groans ) - i feel like putting my feet in. i feel like such a wuss, but i'm not gonna do this. - ( sighs ) i have to. - ugh, god! - it's not that cold. - if you had any idea how cold this is. - it's not that cold. - get out. but there's-- no, there's-- there's-- there's crabs and oysters. - it's cold. - it's cold. save the whales! ( chuckles ) - you're fantastic. you are fantastic. - mwah! - my-- i do that every time. that was no problem. - okay. - i was gonna dive in, but, okay. - yeah, that's-- that was--

- that would have been suicide. - no, i would do-- no, i've done it before, plenty of times. oh, my god. why do you do that, by the way? pamela: because i have to say my little prayer to the ocean. protect the oceans. >> the forgotten men and women of the united states are forgot to know more. [applause] you are the great people. the great people. you work hard, you pay your taxes, you do all of these things and you were forgotten. they forgot about you. you are the smartest people. you are the smartest people. and talk about they talk about the elite. you are the elite. you are the elites. [applause]