jumped in. first responders came. he is a hero. most-watched, most trusted, most grateful you spend your evening with us. good night from washington. i amoa shannon bream. ♪ >> mark: good evening, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," i am mark steyn in for tucker this evening. right now, congressman chris collins is speaking after being arrested for insider trading. let's go there live. >> outside of the courtroom. as i fight to clear my name, rest assured i will continue to work hard for the people and constituents of the 27th congressional district of new york and i will remain on the ballot running for reelection this november. thank you very much, and have a great night. >> mark: that is chris collins speaking after being arrested for insider trading.

in other legal news, president trump's legal team says that it is a negotiation over the terms of any interview with robert mueller. let's go live now to ed henry to break that down. >> good to see you, mark. the president's legal team is saying that this is a good-faith effort on their part to try and get a deal on an interview with the special counsel robert mueller. these two sides are so far apart in working out the details that this could become a major battle that ultimately is decided by the supreme court. months ago, mueller privately threatened that if they can't agree on a voluntary interview from the president, he may issue it's a subpoena to try and compel the president's testimony. the only other time and testimony that happened was bill clinton being subpoenaed to testify in the lewinsky matter, but he backed down to avoid what could have been an embarrassing defeat. mueller originally proposed a wide-reaching interview with the president that has been flatly

rejected by his attorneys who believed that could set down a series of perjury traps. after the special counsel last week offered to tighten the focus a bit, giuliani andte sekulow today tried to narrow it even further, trying to shy away from t questions about whether or not the president committedo obstruction, in part because -- they are making the case the president has a vast executive power to hire and fire officials like former fbi director james comey. giuliani made clear today another problem they have is that mueller's team indicated earlier this year they might start wrapping up the obstruction phase of this probe by june or july to give it space in the midterm election.is well, obviously, that deadline has been obliterated. we are getting close to the midterms. now giuliani is pushing for the investigation to be wrapped by september 1st. the other major concern for the president's team tonight is whether he will get a fair shake, especially after a new report in the "hill" newspaper revealed the opposition research firm hired to put together the

dossier, fusion gps, also worked with officials at the fbi, justice department, and intel community. new emails and memos show the former top obama justice department official bruce ohrhe was in contact with the former british spy, christopher steele, including conversations thatat they had just before the fbi first opened its probe. now, since ohr's wife also was on the payroll of fusion gps, you can understand by the trump legal team tonight has some questions about those contacts, mark. >> mark: indeed, ed. thanks. joe digenova is a former u.s. attorney for the district of columbia. he joins us. joe, mueller is telling the president, you can volunteer to do this interview, or otherwise i will force you into it. is that how it works? >> well, it would work that way ordinarily for a citizen, but the president is a very special person under the constitution and under investigations like this. the president could very well agree to a voluntary interview. i would not recommend that he do so, and i don't think that he should.

if mueller tries to subpoena him, he is going to have a very, very tough time, because according to what we know publicly, there is no conducty, involving the president, there is no russian collusion, there is no crime involving collusion. so what is the reason that mueller wants to talk to him? it is very obvious. he wants to talk to him for purposes of writing a report and then referring the matter to mr. rosenstein to refer towr congress for impeachment. the use of a grand jury subpoena to get testimony from a president for use in anus impeachment proceeding is illegal and unconstitutional. >> mark: just to be clear on that, you would take the view that if there was any serious wrongdoing by the president, we would already know it, and that the main object here is just to

sit him down and then they will say something that mueller can use against him? >> yes and yes. this is clearly nothing more than a testimonial perjury trap to get the president, which hast been mueller's objective from the beginning. you know, one of the things we have to do is realize that there are certain things that are self-evident in some situations. i used to say that crime has a cadence. the russian collusion case has no cadence. there is no cadence of criminality about the president's conduct. so why does mr. mueller want to talk to him? the answer is, he wants to try and trap him. there is no evidence whatsoever, anywhere in any record, notwithstanding what adam schifi says, that the president has done anything wrong, nor anyone around him. in fact, all of the activity of the president's transition team, campaign team, involving communications with foreigners, was perfectly legal, and mr. mueller has never said that it isn't. >> mark: speaking about communications with foreigners, this business of the assistant deputy, assistant deputy under

assistant attorney general, or whatever the hell the position was, this guy is surprisingly cozy with the foreign intelligence agent called christopher steele. how is it that bruce ohr, who still works for the department of justice, does not understandc what he was doing is wrong and unseemly with all of his contacts with christopher steele? >> because that is a different standard. you know, what is interesting with the obama justice department at the senior levels and the fbi at the senior levels, a politically corrupt two organizations. mr. ohr was part of that. he has been demoted three times since they discovered his activities, his text messages and emails that were discovered. he is probably being kept on foe the department as a courtesy to allow him to retire with a certain amount of time. but also, he has probably been forced to cooperate with the ig investigation to testify

against other people like sally yates, john whatever his namehe was who ran the national security division. >> mark: thanks a lot, joe. that's amazing. demoted three times. eventually it's going to be down to janitor or whatever it is. dan bongino is a former secret service agent and nra tv contributor. he is also author of the book "spygate: the attempted sabotage of donald j. trump." a dan joins us now. if you were in the president's position, would you agree to sit down with mueller? >> heck, no! why? mark, why should he sit down with mueller? his case is based on nothing. mark, let's walk this through and be logical.wh i know liberals have a difficult time with this. this entire case as we know it is based on this dossier, this spurious, nonsensical dossier. let's walk through with the fbi themselves said about the o dossier. the director said thee information was salacious and unverified. the number 2 said they would

have no investigation without the dossier. the head of the division in charge of the case said that verification of the dossier was in its infancy, and the lead investigator in the case said o that there is no "there" there. why would you sit down with this guy? this is obviously a trap. he did nothing wrong. >> mark: as you say, that is logical, and i would buy that if somebody was trying this with mr. smith at the county court. but what about the politics of this? half of the country is going to go bananas if trump refuses to sit down with mueller. in other words, is the risk of walking into a perjury trap less than everybody claiming trump has pulled off a coup because he won't sit down with this cockamamie guy who wants to talk about some lousy steele dossier? >> it's a great point, mark. the political price and the legality of it are two different arguments. on the political front, which you asked, yes, there will be a price. here's the problem i have with

that, mark.wo if i thought mueller was acting in good faith, i would say, all right, maybe it maybe worth doing at that point if it is limited in scope. the problem is, mark, there is no evidence of that. mike flynn sat down with investigators from the case with no lawyer. the fbi went back, admitted there were no signs of deception. they then prosecuted him for what? for lying to the fbi. does that make any sense? there is no good faith effort here at all. >> mark: no, and i am absolutely opposed to this whole lying to the fbi thing. i think that is disgraceful. dan, i do want to get this in. despite allegedly being under russian control, president trump's administration just slapped new sanctions on russia in response to the nerve agent poisoning of a former russian agent and his daughter in the u.k., and the sanctions will kick in later this month. actually, another young woman over in britain subsequently died of this poison. so trump is acting against putin

because putin is poisoning and, in fact, killing the citizens of american allies. what do you make of this? >> yeah, mark, if trump is a russian asset being controlled by putin, he is certainly the worst russian asset in the history of human intelligence gathering. his military wiped out 200 russian mercs on a syrian battlefield. he has led the effort to cut off the nord stream 2 pipeline to economically damage russia. magnitsky has expanded that. we are having conversations like we are rational because we are, but trying to get through the 6-inch thick skull of liberals, who have committed to thiswe russian collusion thing is useless. nothing we say is going to make a difference. facts don't matter anymore. >> mark: all that stuff you said, dan, all that shows is that the conspiracy just goes deeper than any of us could possibly suspect. thank a lot, dan bongino. the blue wave may be weakening to a blue stream or maybe just a blue trickle.

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♪ >> mark: for more than a year, democrats have been hyping an electoral blue wave that will arrive and sweep away republicans like the pharaoh's army, but the wave may not be arriving as planned. democrats hoped to flip ohio's 12th congressional district in a special race last night, but the race is too close to call. meanwhile, almost every candidate endorsed by socialist

darling alexandria ocasio-cortez was defeated. lou dobbs is with us from "lou dobbs tonight" on fox business. the most interesting thing, louu the difference between the parties. on the republican side. the great scourge of the establishment, rino squish. >> i've arrived. >> mark: you are. >> i'm not thrilled with many orthodoxies, whether left or right, particularly the venomous and so awfully wrong left inth this country. it's extraordinary. ocasio-cortez is suddenly anointed the face of the democratic party. i have to say, it is a motion that i would hardly second and endorse. she knows nothing about economics. she actually said that the

unemployment rate is so low under trump because everyone has two jobs. there is no reasoning, no rationale. >> mark: you know that, lou if 50% of the country has two jobs, that is full employment. you know it makes sense. >> absolutely. about as much sense the far left ever makes. and to think that she is aware that there is, as she put it, "it's happening, there is something happening." she keeps talking about "it." no one has talked about a descriptive label. >> mark: i think she is better to leave it as vague. when you pin down the something -- what is interesting about it, she was a star. she kind of burst out on the scene. she was the new star, and it's clear she's not star quality. >> it is clear, perhaps, to you. to me, to this audience, but i'm not sure it's clear to the

democrats because they are the ones, after all, who carry her around as if it is precious cargo. trump derangement syndrome, the carry around the idea that other people's money is better spend by them. there are all sorts of delusional aspects to their everyday lives including who will be the pace of the democratic party for years to come. >> mark: let's look over on the g.o.p. side. as you said, you like to crush the rino squishes like a bug beneath your thumb. who came out better from last night, trumpism or rino squish-ism? >> it's interesting. a bit of a long answers. trump endorsed five candidates, five candidates won or are leading tonight. that's pretty good. not a single person running for office in the republican party thanked paul ryan for their i

victories, but they were all thanking president trump. i think there is a moral here for the rest of the republicans, including rinos. they had better quickly affix themselves to the trump agenda if they intend to win in november. >> mark: it's like go trump or go home. >> exactly. >> mark: are you a little disappointed, kris kobach, all a bit neck and neck? >> i'm thrilled that he is ahead in the count to this point, something like 3,000 or 4,000 provisional ballots. as secretary of state, he will be -- i have known kris kobach for a long time. he is strong, he is absolutely resolute, he is an original thinker. that is something that is alien to american politics, just ask president trump. and i think he will make a terrific governor for the state of kansas, but what i really like today, the secretary of state is the one who will be responsible for counting thoseda ballots.

they said wait a minute, you have to recuse yourself -- this is my language, not his. the intent is clear. he told him to go to hell because he wants to assure that it is fair and orderly, and that is exactly the right answer for any republican. >> mark: and i agree with you that he is an original thinker, and i love what he says about immigration and voter i.d. ande all of those critical issues.an what about, though, what they say about ohio, just quickly, lou? i think mitt carried it by 10. i think trump by 12 points. why is that so close? >> it's close because of turnout in large measure. the republicans did not turn out as they should have. so far behind 2016 levels it is funny. tom perez saying he has great optimism. remember, ohio's 12th district was going to be in the blue wave column. unfortunately, he is trying to

spin the idea that a party that turned out almost twice as many people in the 12th district as the republicans -- the republicans will absolutely slay it. >> mark: we'll see about that. little droplets on the floor, the blue wave. lou dobbs, thank you. criminal illegal immigrants roam free in the united states.s. how the democrats say the only problem is that the borders aren't open enough. that's next. next. ♪ ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep.

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♪ >> mark: illegal immigrants are finding all manner of ways to enter the united states. last year, more than 700,000 people illegally overstayed visas within the u.s. meanwhile, illegal crossings into the u.s. from canada have more than doubled. and on the mexican border, crossers are increasingly aware they can exploit hysteria about family separation, so-called, to their advantage. a man caught illegally crossing the mexican border with a girl claimed she was his daughter. in fact, the girl was entirely unrelated to him and he had raped her multiple times. thomas homan is a former director of i.c.e. and he joins us now.w. tom, 700,000, visa overstayers in one year. suggests if nothing else,

this figure we have heard for years now but 11 million so-called undocumented immigrants is likely to be something of an underestimate, do you agree? >> i think that the overstay visas make up about 40% of the estimated 11 to 12 million. but it's something we've got to address. we have asked congress -- again, the same talking points i've used for a long time. we've asked congress to address the visa overstays, to make it a crime to overstay the visa. it's not a crime like entering the united states illegally is a crime. congress can certainly help us by making that a crime and holding people accountable for breaking their promise of leaving the united states on a temporary visa. >> mark: just to be clear on this, we live in a modern, high-tech age. many countries such as france or the united kingdom, for example, have exit controls.hi they check you out, as it were. why is it that we presumably know these people have overstayed their visas but

nothing gets done with it? is it just because, as you explained, d it's actually not illegal to ignore that? >> it's not illegal, but we do address the overstay population. again, 11, 12 million, and there's now a few thousand officers. we've got to prioritize those with a criminal nature. we look at those that overstayed their visas, we prioritize those that come from meetries of interest that a certain demographic, and we look for those that have committed crimes first. we've got to remember, a lot of stories i'm reading is, well, the president is too concentrated on the wall, and he's too concentrated on that and not enough about overstays. we've got to remember, the people that get a visa, they do go through a clearance program. we are aware of their criminal history. those coming across the border illegally, many of them are criminals, so we really do need to concentratee on that southern border. >> mark: let's look at what is happening on the canadian border. i gather a lot of this is just south of montreal, a 30-mile strip of the vermont-quebec

border, what you call the swanton sector, i believe, basically small rural border crossings, often like the famous town of derby line, where the town library and opera house straddle the border, they are shared communities. these are not places which historically have seen a lot of illegal immigration. why are suddenly mexicans,e middle easterners, discovering that canada is an easy way to get into the u.s.? >> because of that exact reason. they figured out canada has a very weak immigration system. have you seen in the last year how many refugees that couldn't play the system here under this president, who takes it very seriously, went to canada? because canada has very low immigration volumes and weak immigration laws. this is why these numbers have ticked up on the northern border. this is a perfect time for us ts work with canada. for instance, they should require a visa for mexicans when

they enter canada. we have a great relationship with canadian law enforcement. this is something we should be working on together.r. i grew up in in upstate new york off the st. lawrence river, thousand islands region. there are places that you don't have 100 feet of vision. it is less than a one-minute boat ride across the a st. lawrence river to get to the united states. it is a hard swath of land to cover. >> mark: and often those border posts -- seriously, though, justin trudeau sentimentalizes illegal immigration even more than the democrats do. realistically, working with the canadians isn't going to get too far is it, tom? >> i think now that they see what happened with the number of refugees that left the united states to go to canada because they are weak, i have talked to canadian immigration authorities, they are concerned. i think for the first time in ae long time, they are looking to see how they can toughen it up.. i went to a law enforcement seminar in new york and i met some canadian law enforcement, and i think they have awoken to this issue, and i think you are going to see them make some changes this year.r. >> mark: okay, let's hope so.

thomas homan, former director of i.c.e. thank you. earlier this year, philadelphia's mayor celebrated when a court ruling allow the city to keep its sanctuary city policies. here he is. >> ♪ we are a sanctuary city, yeah ♪ ♪ we are a sanctuary city, yeah ♪ >> mark: yeah, here's what that song actually looks like in practice. juan ramon vasquez, an illegal immigrant from honduras was released by philadelphia police despite an i.c.e. retainer request and then went on to rape a child. but andrew cuomo says i.c.e. is the real threat to the safety. of the public. >> we want the police force that fights terrorism. we don't want what we have an i.c.e., which is a politicized police force. i will do nothing cooperatively with i.c.e. i have sent them letters asking for an investigation.

i have said if they do any criminal acts, which a police force can do, we will take criminal action against i.c.e. >> mark: so for the chief executive of a major american state declaring war on law enforcement agencies takes priority. robin biro is a former regional director for barack obama's presidential campaign. he joins us now. robin, what is the reason for this fetishization of illegal immigration that has led people like cuomo and that philadelphia mayor to actually declare war on american law enforcement? >> i'm glad you asked that. i had to read the full statement in its entirety to grasp that. what he is alleging is thatha i.c.e. is being misused as just a deportation force, and what he is taking specific issue with is proposed registration from this administration that will make it harder for undocumented

immigrants to get green cards. >> mark: wait, wait, wait a minute. let me stop you there. i am a legal immigrant. it is a lot of effort to get a green card. if you do it legally. why should people who would ignore the system and walk p into the country from mexico or canada or anywhere else, why should they get a green card? >> you know, here is my theory on that. i honestly believe they are looking at this as a financial issue, because their economies benefit from that. undocumented immigrants pay $11.64 billion in state and local taxes every year. >> mark: but wait a minute. that would sound a lot in new zealand, but in a country with a multitrillion dollar expenditures, that is a relative

drop in the ocean. most people would rather have noncriminal immigrants than get an extra $11 billion in taxes for state and local governments. >> well, there was a study in 2014, a bipartisan study by the senate when they were considering an immigration reform bill, and that did show that on undocumented immigrants were far less likely to commit crimes than native citizens of our country, so i'm not sure that that's entirely true that there is a huge influx off illegals wanting to commit crime. the numbers just don't match up. >> mark: no, that's actually not the case. for example, with i.c.e., 9 out of 10 -- brians kilmeade mentioned this on monday's show -- 9 out of 10 people detained by i.c.e. have committed a crime. >> by entering our country illegally, they certainly have. >> mark: no, no, crimes other than illegal entry.

and that gets us -- let me just ask about this case in philadelphia. this guy, they won't cooperate with i.c.e., so you get a child rapisthi -- >> which is terrible, horrible. >> mark: but every society generates its own rapists and murderers, what's the point of cooperating with a system that facilitates the importing of additional rapists and murderers? and drunk drivers. what's the point? why do you do it? >> like i said, the study shows that they commit less crimes than native citizens. i am assuming they're going off of that. and that was a bipartisan study done by the senate.do >> mark: no. >> i prefer to speak in facts and not hyperbole. >> mark: well, that's -- robin, every country is stuck with its own citizens, whether it is america or chad, you take the rapists and murderers of your own society as a given.

and that is not a fair metric on which to measure any of the others. but thank you for joining us. >> i.c.e. does a great job of getting those out. >> mark: thank you for joining us, robin. more and more psychologists say they are seeing the symptom of a new disease, trump derangement syndrome. is it real?th that's next on "tuckerym carlson tonight." that's next on "tucker carlson tonight." ♪ this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened;

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>> dramatic images as officers move in, restraining the woman at the statue of liberty.. she told him her actions were ts protest president trump's immigration policies. >> at a mexican restaurantt for dinner last night, the dh secretary was heckled by protesters. >> shame, shame. >> president trump's star on the hollywood walk of fame destroyed with a pickax again.fa this tmz video shows austin clay smashing the star. >> a woman in massachusetts is being accused of intentionally

running her car into another vehicle because it had a trump bumper sticker on it. >> this guy isn't mentally stable enough to run the country and he should be impeached in every congressman who wouldn't should lose theirh job. >> mark: yeah, it's trying to to impeach every congressman who won't impeach trump. for more than a year and a half, the left has been in the tightening grip of trump derangement syndrome. it's a fun term, but does it reflect a real psychological issue?n more and more psychologists saym they are seeing the symptoms, specifically, an overpowering fear that president trump represents the end of the world. i gather this started with a canadian broadcasting corporation survey, nell daly. you are a psychotherapist, do you think trump derangement syndrome is a real syndrome?

>> no. it didn't just start with the trump administration. any kind of derangement syndrome, when we have been talking about presidents, it started during the bush administration, people said that people had obama derangementin syndrome, now they are saying that people have trump derangement syndrome. it's just a way of discrediting anybody who disagrees with you, essentially. >> mark: but let's break that down. i remember the bush derangement syndrome, i remember saying to someone at the time, basically, george w. bush, a very moderate republican, he loved mexicans, for example, unlike the president -- current president. 90% of the time he was like tony blair with a ranch. people convinced themselves he was like the new hitler. now here we have a guy who, in some sense, it is an even more nontypical conservative. he doesn't care about transgender bathrooms. he doesn't care about race. a lot of his family are jewish.

yet he is apparently the new nazi, anti-semitic, racist, lgbtq communities are coweringem in fear from him. what is it, in the water, fluoride, what is going on? >> where it starts to break down is you need to trust your leader, have faith in your leader as a human being to have faith in their vision, to understand their vision. where the dialogue breaks down is if you don't have faith in your leader, you don't even want to hear their vision. and people -- trump has beenai tweeting that his opponents, people who don't support his political views, have trump derangement syndrome. in any kind of argument you are having with somebody, it shutsts off the argument, lately if you tell the other side they are crazy. >> mark: just to being clear on that now.u you're saying that when the president -- by the president accusing the naysayers of havinn trump derangement syndrome, he is actually giving them it? >> no, i didn't say that. i mean, this is just the term.is

i don't know whether -- i mean, it sounds like when he is saying things, he is diagnosing an entire population of people. again, this doesn't just happenn from trump, right? it goes back to the bush administration. this goes back to people who disagreed with obama.gh >> mark: let me ask you about a point you just made. i thought it was interesting when you said you have to have faith in your leader, as it were. this is a citizen republic where it chooses one of its own citizens to be the leader. that's why you got rid of george iii. there was a guy, because you didn't have faith in him. walking around in crowns, powdered wigs, and we said, we'll have a citizen president. why can't you take the view that he is a bloke in the office for a couple of years? the pendulum will swing. why let it ruin your life? >> that's a good point, and some people do take that position. not everybody who has come to me

or to my office about the current president, but there are people who are upset. individuals handle it differently. but the point is, to show that you are an evolved person, a highly intelligent person, is open to intelligent, nuanced debate. in our culture now, we have stopped having those intelligent, nuanced debate in part because we stop listening when we are told that we are crazy to have a difference of opinion with a person that we are discussing these things with. >> mark: but it is not the president who drives someone to climb halfway up the statue of liberty and start going bananas, is it? >> i think that there are people who would disagree with you, and i think that there are people who disagree with you that that is necessarily a banana way of protesting. [laughter] >> mark: okay, well, i'llwa see you up there. i don't know if i'll make it up there, but i'll see you there, nell.

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>> mark: facebook, apple, google, spotify, twitter, and all of the rest of the big tech companies have abruptly banned, suppressed, or otherwise attacked conservative and libertarian voicese on their platforms. officially it is because we are all a bunch of hate speecher or offensive content, but offensive voices on the left aren't facing the same scrutiny. veteran hatemonger louis

farrakhan has posted numerous videos on facebook attacking jews and one describing the white male as a "freak of a human." the news website "the daily caller" as well as this program both contacted facebook to ask how those video" don't qualify as hate speech. thus far, facebook has removed two videos, but the rest of the farrakhan archive is allowed to stay up there. jason nichols is a professor of african-american studies at the university of maryland, and he joins us tonight. jason, what do you make of this double standard? that the right gets policed by facebook and co. far more vigorously than the left? >> the first thing i would argue is that louis farrakhan is not necessarily a member of the left. i think a lot of his views are actually far right. i think he doesn't fit very well in this kind of dichotomy.

i think a lot of people see a black man and they automatically assume he is on the left, but a lot of his ideas are about personal responsibility and taking ownership of things. they are very much right-wing ideas. i wouldn't exactly put him on the left.ht >> mark: okay, so that's great. that's our fault too. farrakhan. let me just cite one of his things here. he says that the united states government is working with jews to feminize black men by weaponizing marijuanaat with chemicals. now, that's the sort of thing -- and i don't buy your, you know, he is really a closet right winger thing. >> i don't think he is closeted at all. i think he is very much out with his right-wing views. >> mark: but the double standard here is that, because he is a black man and,in with respect to your thesis, perceived as being on the left,

he can talk about jews feminizing -- if i talked abouty jews feminizing black men byei putting chemicals in the marijuana, i would be off facebook, boom, like that, first by suggesting it is possible to feminize black men and it is possible that black men are on marijuana and that jews are trying to feminize -- that is circles within circles. i would be gone instantly. >> perhaps. i think the fundamental thing we have to think about is that facebook, google, twitter, they are privately owned companies. if they believe that someone ha, violated their terms and conditions of use, then they can remove them. i would suggest if you have ann issue with farrakhan being on that platform, you should, like you said, write letters, email. i guarantee you with enough economic pressure, they will probably remove the video or remove that person.. >> mark: we are beyond economic pressure.

a third of the population of the planet, 2.5 billion people, are on facebook. that makes them bigger than any sovereign state. you can't really say they are just a private company, jason. they're more powerful than the government of belgium. >> at the same time, i would noy make the argument that facebook owes anyone that platform. we know who the guy at the top is. he has the right to set the terms and conditions of the use of facebook. he felt that someone like alex jones is someone who violated those terms. i would actually argue that alex jones and his reach is much larger than that of minister farrakhan. i think -- and his influence. i think this is one of the things we have to take into account that is the reach and the influence of the person we are talking about. >> mark: okay, jason. thank you. thank you very much for that, professor.

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abuse is now turning into a lot more. w last week police in new mexico got a text message from an unknown source saying "we area starving, need food and water.c police then set up surveillance on a makeshift compound near, nearing the new mexico-colorado border. watch. >> that was the breaking point where i thought we finally hade enough probable cause to put in an affidavit for a search warrant and presented to a district judge. >> the warrant was then granted. when s.w.a.t. teams moved in they found 11 children ages 1-15 malnourished, dressed in rags, living in squalor but they also found an ar-15 rifle, four guns, and dozens of rounds of ammunition. five adults were arrested, two men and three women, and now court documents show thatt all five suspects are accused of training children to commit school shootings. "the defendant transported children across state lines for the purpose of the children receiving advanced weapons training to commit future acts of violence."

authorities initially locked on as part of a search for a missing georgia boy with severe medical problems. 4-year-old abdul rojas wast allegedly abducted five months ago because the dad believed his son was possessed by the devil and planned to perform an exorcism when in fact the boy had epilepsy. the father was among the five adults arrested and other children rescued at the compound say at one time 4-year-old abdul was at the compound. though all police found where the remains of a small child and we should note the father is the son of a radical islamic cleric who according to senate testimony is an unindicted coconspirator in the 1993 world trade center bombing. by the way, the 11 children taken from the compound are now in protective custody. mark. >> mark: thanks, trace.un amazing, it all goes back to that world trade center bombing 25 years ago.

we will have more on this disturbing case out of new mexico tomorrow evening onn "tucker carlson tonight." but that is it for us tonight. thanks for joining us. never fear, the man is here. sean hannity has a great opening monologue. go get them, sean. >> sean: thank you, and a lot of news tonight. welcome to "hannity." 448 days into mueller's seemingly never-ending witch hunt, but now with just 90 days to go until what i am calling the single most important midterm of our lifetime, there could actually be a light at the end of the tunnel. earlier today president trump's attorney rejected interviewig terms from team mueller and rightfully so, we will explain. this to me is an obvious perjury trap being set by partisan investigators. rudy giuliani, the president's attorney will be here with reaction and also to write more major breaking news surrounding the deep state go-between bruce ohr, how the plot thickens tonight evenmo