tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ >> mark: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." i am mark steyn and for tucker this evening. the trump administration just unveiled its plan for a full-blown space force to be created by 2020. we'll have more of not just ahead. plus, more on the alleged islamic extremist compound in the new mexico desert. but first, president trump has highlighted his administration's efforts against the ms-13 gang. so of course, the left now supports ms-13. fox.com has published a video portraying the gang as a bunch of cute teenagers who ride

bikes, listen to music, and work after school jobs. >> when you think of the street game ms-13, what do you see? may be something like this. or this. but what if i told you the typical ms-13 gang member in the u.s. actually looks like one of these young men on facebook? >> the ms-13 members that i've been following our working after-school jobs, they are living with their parents, they get around long island on bicycles. >> there is no indication that we are seeing a bigger surge of ms-13 then we've seen in the past. >> mark: so basically, ms-13, they are like high school valedictorians with machetes. timothy is the district attornen long island in the county's former police commissioner and he joins us. tim, these guys are all over your neck of the woods. are they just have a lack of my

kids doing after-school jobs, riding around on bicycles? >> here the facts, and 2016 and part of 2017, we saw 17 homicides that ms-13 committed to. that is 17 homicides in just 16 months. two of those homicides were 15 and 61 girls from friends brentwood high school. another one was a quadruple homicide where four boys were chopped into little pieces in a park. this is an extremely dangerous game. one of the most dangerous street gangs we have the united states. thanks to law enforcement's efforts, since that time. matt, we haven't seen a single confirmed ms-13 homicide, and that's because of the great work of the men and women of law enforcement. >> mark: you guys have a tough stomach for homicides, but even if you are familiar with finding dead bodies, what ms-13 due to their victims, where they actually chopped off limbs, and

you find these guys dismembered and in pieces, these are some of the most vicious organized crime in the country, as you know. >> that's exactly right. when they commit a murder, they do it is our new message. they are incredibly brutal. one example, i already noted, the four boys, plenty of other examples. the two girls were murdered and brentwood, when we first came upon the homicide scene, the injuries were so severe, we actually thought it was a hit-and-run because of the head trauma was so significant. we need to take this gang extremely seriously and that is exactly what law enforcement is doing across the country and i applaud everyone's efforts. we are working together to target violent ms-13 gang members and we are making a difference. >> mark: do you think it helps when someone like boxed out, which has a lot of influence on the left, basically said, there are some people who kill people but there are a lot of nice, cute kids, going along with it as a mic with any after-school activity? >> no, it minimizes the threat

that this street gang poses and it minimizes the situation that these communities find themselves in. ms-13 targets young, hispanic boys in neighborhoods that are underserved. it's incredibly important that we target these gang members with aggressive law enforcement tactics and that we also invest in gang prevention and intervention strategies so we prevent them from recruiting more members. >> mark: good luck with that. they have done some terrible things out in your part of long island, tim. thanks very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> mark: america remains in the grips of an immigration crisis and other aspects, too. in one of the two major parties, increasingly promoting policies indistinguishable from global open borders. any effort to enforce the country's border invites accusations of racism, even though mexico is actually importing more people who come from honduras than the united states does. earlier this week, we saw the border patrol capture a man

attempting to smuggle three brazilians into the country using a fake ems vehicle. a great day is an anchor at univision and he joins us now. henrique, this is interesting to me that mexico is allowed to deport hondurans without being accused of racism. while the u.s. isn't. why does one country get to enforce its borders, but another doesn't? >> you just got a look at news reports in mexico and around central america to know that mexico's immigration policy is highly criticized, the way they violate human rights for the central americans is also highly criticized. it has been pointed out by, i would say, hundreds of news reports and human rights reports, too. i don't think they are being able to get away with anything. i would just say that, despite what many people say on this network and at the white house, in terms of mexico not doing anything to help the u.s. with

undocumented immigration, you just stated the fact that mexico is importing hondurans and other central americans at a very fast-paced, over 200,000 central american migrants have been deported. that's a lot. >> mark: mexico is not aborting 200,000 hondurans to kiss up to president trump. it is doing it in its own national interest. so -- >> this is the thing, mark. they are doing it in the program and agreement between the u.s. and mexico to have mexico guarded south borders with u.s. dollars. some of that comes from the u.s., so it is doing it in part, tell mike to honor agreements with the u.s. in the u.s. gover. >> mark: that is not why -- we all know the truth, or most people should know the truth about mexico, which is that it is ruled by a corrupt elite who are essentially european mexicans, mexicans of white european descent, who treat

everybody else, whether they are mexican or not, appallingly. and isn't the reality of a legal mexican immigration that you have a essentially a corrupt ele in mexico driving the people it despises into america in much the same way as it would be if we said 20 years ago, let's flat white south africans drive all the blacks out of the country so they can have it to themselves k south africans can find somewhere else to live? is about the reality of mexican illegal immigration? >> welcome i know. we started this conversation by saying that mexico is importing more hondurans to their country than the u.s., and now we are saying that mexico is actually letting them through and sending them to the u.s. mexico is not sending anyone to the u.s., actually, more mexicans are coming back to their country than those emigrating into the u.s., with or without documents. mexico is part of a route that is used by central american immigrants and more and more, it

is trying to enforce this immigration policy, as we cope in a humane way, which is not always the case, to try to have, and the cases of refugees, not only their right conditions, but also to let them legally request asylum and then go through and vaguely a quest asylum in the u.s. >> mark: but why is that in america's interest? that is a federal question, enrique. >> what is what it meant the american interest? >> mark: what does unskilled mass immigration from mexico and latin america in america's interest? >> as i was saying, immigration from mexico is not zero now. if that a sloth level it's been in decades. there is no math immigration from the mexico into the u.s. there is a problem central americans coming to the u.s. border. but we could have a larger debate on the benefits of immigration. i would ask you, what is so wrong about immigration? how is immigration hurting the u.s. or how is this different to

other immigration in the u.s. history? >> mark: it's predicted that 30% of the world's jobs are going to be outmoded by automation and robots, no developed jobs needed mass immigration. as you say, we'll have that comport occasion one day. thank you, enrique. thanks a lot. house minority leader nancy pelosi says that voters should fact democrats in november because it will help illegal immigrants, so vote for your democrat candidate and they will let lots of people in the country to take your jobs. >> we are not going to be able to get it done under the republican leadership in congress. we believe that we all have leverage when we went back in november. >> mark: leverage and november. that is intended to appeal to hispanic voters but it may not be working. polls have shown president trump's approval with hispanics to be above 30%. that is better than i vote to

share he got in 2016. elvira salazar is a republican who is running for congress in florida, and she joins us today. elvira, we often think that in your state, for example, cuban-americans tend to vote republican, but we see signs that actually there is a broader appeal among the hispanic a population now. >> it is indeed. but i want to answer to it nancy pelosi was saying, and once again, the democrats are trying to play political football with hispanics. in 2008, in 2009, president obama said to my colleague from univision, jorge ramos, that we were going to have an immigration reform law the first year of his presidency. in reality, he used his political capital to pass obamacare. so right there, the democrats, and nancy pelosi, had the wonderful and magnificent opportunity to stop this immigration reform problem that we have, or to pass an immigration reform law, and in

reality, while the democrats gave us were crumbs called the daca executive order. and i want -- i think that we should really point out, and these are facts, this is not analysis, that in 1996, president clinton signed something called the immigration reform law, which gave the legal framework for president trump to be separating families. so let me just start with those two facts, that is why president obama and nancy pelosi are traitors to hispanics. now why are hispanics now giving approval ratings? because hispanics share many of the core values that are dear to the republicans. we are god-fearing, law-abiding, we like small government, we are self-reliant, we do not want government in our lives, we fear god and we want -- we love this country. and -- >> mark: let me just ask you a question on that though, elvira.

because the people can have different views on that. but what i find interesting about the democrats' view of hispanics, and the media's the media assume that lawful hispanics in the united states only care about illegal immigration. that, in fact, they are just ethnic solidarity voters. if you have been in this country for generations and you are hispanics can buy your most important issue is leading in lots of other hispanics. is that true, is that the only issue you guys care about? >> at all. it is very important for us to find a solution to those people that have lived here for more than 15, 20 years like a tps recipient. we don't want those people to be thrown out of here like cattle, because they have put roots in this country. that is why an immigration reform law is so important. it's important for us. but also, the economy. look at what is happening with the economy right now. that is benefiting more hispanic businesses. >> mark: that is certainly

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of the mueller team would backfire on them. >> wears a sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department? people who hate drum were put into primary positions of power. that is completely tainted this investigation. the real story here is not that this case isn't going to fizzle, it's going to blow up on them. >> mark: alan dershowitz is a retired harvard law school professor and the author of "the case against impeaching trump" and he joins us. professor, is this interview with the president going to happen and should it happen? >> it won't happen. i think it's going to happen is giuliani will make mueller an offer he can't accept, to paraphrase "the godfather," and that way trump will be able to say, look, i wanted to testify but it was mueller who turned down a reasonable request by our attorney. look, no lawyer would ever allow a client to testify under these

circumstances. all they have to do is ask him one question, "did you know about the meeting in the trump tower with your son," if you answer that question truthfully, that he didn't know, if that in fact is the truth, he could still be charged with perjury, lying to a government official because we have michael cohen who says he did know. you you never allow your client to see something that can be contradicted by another witness because the prosecution can choose to believe that other witness. >> mark: if you had president trump as a client, though, he's a very good, gregarious guy who was quite happy to sit down and talk and o jack to anybody and thinks that as long as he is just, like, straight forward and says what he thinks, everything will be fine. often, from a lawyer's point of view, that is the worst kind of client to have, isn't it? >> yes. and i would certainly -- i'm not his lawyer, obviously -- but i would advise him to speak to the public on television, say what he wants to say, write his tweets, although i don't think

he helps himself by some of his tweets. but under no circumstances put yourself in a position where you can be charged with perjury or lying to a federal official. and if he doesn't believe me, he should make two phone calls, one to martha stewart, who went to jail because of what she said after prosecutors, and the other to bill clinton, who was impeached because of what he said in an interview under oath. and so i think every responsible lawyer would say to him, you should not either testify or be interviewed. look, i once gave him advice on television, i said, i have four pieces of advice, don't fire, don't pardon, don't tweet, and don't testify. >> mark: i want to ask you about rudy's other point, the hyperpartisan nature of what has been happening. with reference to this bruce ohr guy in the justice department, and his 60 60 contacts at least with christopher steele, the mi6 agent who was basically the dirty tricks operative for the democratic party.

you know as well as i do that impartiality is the essence of justice, a county court judge can't have a bunch of communications with the plaintiff and not with the defendant. that is a big no-no. how come bruce ohr at the department of justice doesn't know you can't talk to one political party continuously through the height of a campaign? >> of course, there is a difference between a judge in a prosecutor. prosecutors are allowed to talk to people, and so i don't believe that mueller and his team care about whether the democrats win or the republicans win. they are not partisan in that sense. i think they are zealous, some would say overzealous prosecutors, because he is special counsel, he has a target on the back of the president and others. if this case were handled by ordinary u.s. attorneys, and they came back after a year or two years without indicting anybody, it wouldn't be a story, no one would know. but when a special counsel is given a target and he fails to indict, he has been a failure, and that is why i am so strongly

opposed to a special counsel, except of the most extraordinary circumstances, which weren't met in this case. >> mark: you're absolutely right about that, professor, in terms of the special counsel's office. i hope we get rid of them. thanks a lot. as a young self identified socialist, alexandria ocasio-cortez supposedly represents the future of the democratic party. it's a strange future to behold. >> we need to occupy every airport, we need to occupy every border, we need to occupy every i.c.e. office. we look at figure sensei, unemployment is low, everything is fine, right? well, unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. why aren't we incorporating the cost of the funeral expenses and those who die because they can't afford access to health care? this, like, upper-middle-class is probably more moderate but that upper-middle-class doesn't exist anymore. they are haiti was in the '90s when, like, kids had furbies

and parents had soccer moms with two book vans. that is not america anymore. >> mark: soccer moms with two bands and funeral expenses crippling the economy. is this the sort of thing the democrats can run on, win on, and, god help us, govern on? chris is the president of new heights communications and she joins us. this is the future of the party? >> look, i like ocasio-cortez. i think she speaks clearly, i think she speaks with moral conviction, and i think a lot of people were inspired by her and that is why she won her primary. that said, she won a primary a month ago in a congressional contest that represents the bronx and queens. this is not necessarily america. that said, i will say that people like her because she is this young latina woman who seemingly came out of nowhere, nobody gave her a chance, she had no endorsements, nobody in the party really got behind her,

"the new york times" never even wrote a piece about her until after she won them and then it was, "where did this lady come from." the reasons she did so well, and was able to topple somebody like joe crowley, is because of the way that she talked about issues that people cared about in her district. >> mark: isn't it more basic than that? you said because she is a long latina. and the democrats now, it's all about identity politics. she is a young latina, he's an old white male. she is the dash he's the past, e future, and the fact that she talks about the 1990s like i talk about the 1890s, and that she seriously thinks that if 50% of the workforce are doing two jobs, you have full employment, that is irrelevant. it is all identity. young latina trump's the dead white male. >> no, i don't think so. but i do think for women in

particular, also people of color are the ones who are furious right now, they are furious at donald trump, they are furious at the dash i'll be honest -- the old white men who are runnig the republican party right now and frankly, who have a pretty big grip on the democratic party, as well. so that is why you have seen so many women across the country who have said, you know what, it is my turn, i'm going to run for office now, too played and they are winning in record numbers. so particularly so particularly in the democratic side, mark, if you see a race in which there is not an incumbent, there is a man, a woman running, women on the democratic side are winning 70% of the time. that is amazing. with that said, america wants to see more women in office, and i -- >> mark: good luck telling that to bernie and chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, because you've got your old white issues in that party, too. >> we shared do. it's a big tent rates. when nancy pelosi is happy to take a tire iron to anyone who argues with that. thank you, christy. what on earth was going on in

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conditions, and training at least one of those children to commit school shootings. what on earth was happening there and couldn't have been exposed more quickly? "tucker carlson tonight" investigates. ryan mauro's director of the intelligence network at the clarion project. a nonprofit that educates the public on radical islam. he has assisted authorities in this investigation and he joins us now. ryan, if you watch certain other networks, you'll find it very hard to pick up on the muslim angle to this. they are being rather coy about it, as is their won't. but the father of the principal guy here, for example, is a big shot a mom who was an unindicted coconspirator in the original world trade center bombing a quarter century ago. so this has deep roots in the most extreme islamic circles

here in america. >> right, so what is really scary about this, when someone from al qaeda or isis get arrested, you know they are almost certainly a fringe player, they are not a famous imam. he is different. as soon as i started studying radical islam, he was the first one on my radar, because he is one of the leaders of the basel american community, i'm sorry to say. he's very radical, the type of things he has been connected to come in terms of a coalition with other groups are the types of things that this group, this compound in new mexico, were preparing to do, were learning how to do, that type of ideology. we haven't connected the imam to that specific operation in new mexico but you don't have to. what you're talking about is the extremist infrastructure that is the hard work, the easy work is the violent part. >> mark: in that sense, it seems more organized than some guy from chechnya or wherever writing his car up onto the sidewalk and mowing down half a dozen people, and other words, that sort of freelance jihadism we have become used to.

did this seem something slightly more institutional? >> that's right. there's really two ways that you create this type of problem if you are a radical. first, you say, how do i create the person that holds the weapon? is harder. you do that by pushing the ideology, imam for example in 2001 spoke at an event that was literally called "g hard camp for young muslims." that is public plates. when they are not shy about this, are they? >> they've gotten better since 9/11. >> mark: let me ask you something because normally with school shootings, you'll see things on twitter, the las vegas thing for example, where there will be a little -- i'm sure this will put be terrorist, his name will be awkward, and it turns out to be the usual alienated loner. but things don't stay separate. so if school shootings are effective, at some point, jihadists will have caught onto that and want to get a piece to the action. >> look at how we all reacted to

it. right? even if you can get the small number of casualties, doesn't matter because it's a school shooting, so they achieve the objective, and one of the ways that these groups operate above that ideological infrastructure, in terms of operations, they set up security companies and some of the information i have provided, i broke the story today, what i provided to the authorities, does link people from the compound to a security company. that is a good reference, that is how you good law enforcement type training, that is how you do this type of thing. >> mark: that is fascinating, ryan. when you look at the compound with a piled up rubber tires, nothing to it, a lot of stuff sitting out in the desert, but it's got important connection when it comes to getting the stuff they need. thanks very much, ryan. tucker is going to come back after the break because americans are an increasingly lonely people. how did that happen and can it be fixed? that is coming up next. ♪ when my hot water heater failed,

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which is that i think that we have been over time, probably overprescribing these medicines, and not looking carefully for alternatives, and for other ways to address people's depression, not looking at the causes. >> tucker: that's it right there. he would think with the suicide rate spikes, and it has measurably, we would have a national conversation about why. what do you think the cause is? >> i don't think there is one single cause but i think there is one particular cause but it is contributing to depression, that i don't think we talk about enough, and that is social disconnection, that is loneliness, and when i began my tenure as surgeon general, if you would have told me that i would be thinking about and talking about loneliness is much as i have, i would have told you are wow you are absolutely wrong. but i was really educated by

people all across america while i met during office in my travels, and what i came to learn is that many of them are struggling with isolation and

loneliness. they didn't always say that at the beginning of the conversation it but it became very clear that it was part of their experience in a story, that it was contributing in fact to anxiety and to depression in their lives. when i delved more deeply into the science about loneliness, or became very clear is that loneliness is not just about feelings that we may have from time to time. but when it's experienced for long periods of time, it can increase our risk for heart disease, for dementia, for anxiety and depression, and is associated with the shortening of our life span. so it it, to recognize that ãyou are lonely does not mean that you are broken are fundamentally flawed. >> tucker: do you see that technology is making his lonelier? >> i think that technology is a tool that can be used to address loneliness and increase loneliness. what makes a difference is how we use technology. i think the way we are using technology right now, i worry we are increasing our loneliness one, you look at social media, and you look at the data that is increasingly coming out on social media usage and its impact on the mental health of people, you see that increased social media usage is often associated with increased feelings of anxiety and depression. what has happened unfortunately with social media is that many people have substituted their online relationships for their off-line, and personal relationships. but there's another way in which technology is playing a role here, which is that nearly all of us walk around with phones, with smartphones, that give us immediate access to email, text messaging, and that can be incredibly convenient. i have a smartphone and it's very, very helpful.

but that phone, and our devices can also creep into other parts of our lives. they can come to the dinner table with us and impact the quality of the conversations we have with our family, they can show up on the table at a restaurant when we are trying to catch up with a friend and instead of they are being distracted by the messages that are being popped popping up on our screen. we have found that our phones and work more broadly has crept into our evening, weekends, and vacation time, that has actually taken away from our time with family and with close friends. >> mark: and you can see tucker's full interview with the former surgeon general on the "tucker carlson tonight" facebook page. up next, it is "final exam" time. can you do better than two fox news pros? remembering this week's news, the contest, the battle, is coming up next. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> mark: you know what that music means. it is time for tucker's "final exam" where "final exam" where we test news professionals to see who is the news hero and. this week's contestant from fox business, and for my hometown of toronto, susan li. susan was on fox business earlier today launching the new smartphone. >> samsung prior >> mark: but is she smart without the phone? few people are these days. we also have us with those fox news correspondent at large geraldo rivera. he's done everything in show business except tucker's "final exam." and that was intentional. he planned it that way.

but we locked the door so he can't get out. contestants, hands on browsers. i will ask the question in the first one to bos gets to answer. but you must wait until i finish asking the question. you can answer once and i'll acknowledge by saying your name and each correct answer is worth one point. but you get it wrong, you lose a point. best-of-five wins. let's get started. question one: on monday, where charlie would trump hayter spent the night outside the white house singing broadway's protest? susan? >> rosie o'donnell. >> mark: plus royal mate. >> the more people that show up here event generally will take over all of d.c. and will have no choice but to resign. [singing] >> mark: actually the president was in fact not in the

white house but in new jersey. but he could still hear rosie from there. a wild story out of boise, idaho, folks there were shocked to look at other windows and find more than 100 of what farm animal running loose? revisited? and we go to susan again. >> ducks. >> mark: let's roll that tape. >> goats on the loose. residence in boise, idaho, waking up to a shocking scene. 118 goats swarming their suburban yards, completely unsupervised. >> what happens if you get it wrong? >> mark: we are back to 0-0. over 100 goats there. i believe they were fleeing rosie's natalie. [laughter] let's go to question three. this is multiple-choice. an amish man in michigan is giving ridesharing apps a run for their money by launching his own business using just his

horse and buggy. people in his town can secure a ride for just five bucks. what is this amish entrepreneur calling the service? is it a: rent a buggy? b" he bid and driver" or c: amish uber? and we go to geraldo. >> amish uber, c. >> mark: let's rule that tape. >> meet the amish guy in southern michigan, who is dubbed himself the amish uber. >> very good. >> he drives folks around for five bucks a pop in his horse and buggy, doesn't have a cell phone, obviously, so you have to flag him down. and he's a to is not officially associated with uber but he gets people where they are going for in a blink in note. >> mark: yeah, we could use that in new york. i hate it when you come out of a quilting bee and you are late for the barn raising and you can find a yellow cab anyway. so we really need that in new york. question -- that means that, by the way, susan, canada's

reputation is now riding on this. geraldo takes the lead, 1-0. question four, a man was arrested this past week after a video went viral of him harassing a very large animal. in yellowstone national park. the man nearly got himself killed when the beast charged him. what type of animal was he harassing? susan, susan buzzed too early. she's being deported. i.c.e. are outside of the studio right now. geraldo, your turn to answer? >> a bison. >> mark: let's see that tape? >> taunting a bison. >> no, no, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, god. oh, god. >> police say that raymond is beating his chest at the animal in yellowstone national park. he's had several run-ins apparently with the law at national parks or over just the

last few weeks. >> mark: it got worse from there, afterwards, he played that bison rosie's selections from "bye bye birdie"." it's horrible. you don't want to see that. final question, another multiple-choice question, a new disney movie has been banned in china because president xi is angry that people compare him to a character in the film. who is the animated character? is it a: dumbo? b: pinocchio? or c: c: winnie the pooh? susan? >> see , winnie the pooh. >> mark: let's see. >> chinese movie fans will not be able to see the winnie the pooh movie, christopher robin. chinese censors have banned the movie because people in the country were using pooh memes to mock president xi jingping. >> mark: president trump would love it if the worst thing rosie o'donnell's would say about him was that he looked like winnie the pooh. unfortunately, despite a plucky

showing by our canadian gal here, geraldo has come through for the united states of america, total humiliation. final score, america, two, canada one. >> >> oh, canada. [laughter] >> mark: and that is it for this week's "final exam." pay attention to the news each weekend to an end on thursday nights to see if you can beat the professionals. we'll be right back. ♪ minor accident - no big deal, right? wrong. your insurance company is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it to sign up with a different insurance company. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise their rates because of their first accident. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪

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today, vice president pence revealed that the administration's more detailed plans for creating a fully independent of space force in just two years. professor michio kok who is a physicist. the author of a "new york times" best seller, "the future of humanity." he joins us. professor, if you watch tv, people seem to be making jokes about this thing. but most western nations have essentially off shored huge parts of their infrastructure to the happens in the last couple of decades, and yet, they are essentially unguarded and totally vulnerable up there. >> i think we have to take it seriously because donald trump sees this as part of his legacy, long after he's gone, we are going to have a u.s. space force. for the first time since 1947, a new branch of the military, and i think he wants to put his stamp of approval on this, so we have to take it seriously. >> mark: yeah, but the joke

about it is, like, it's a plan nine from outer space then, these are going to be trumped space cadets and everything. but there is -- we are vulnerable too much weaker countries who, if they happen to detonate everything on the righr the middle of the country, would knock us back to the mid-19th century. that is what is at stake here. >> that's right. we don't realize that outer space, we are a sitting duck for a preemptive strike. you realize that we are the most vulnerable because we have over half of all the commercial operating satellites in orbit and even a small nation like north korea, a hydrogen bomb over kansas would be enough to wipe out nearly half of our telecommunications network and paralyze power stations across north america. and that's just one hydrogen bomb over kansas. >> mark: yeah, and it's a situation that's never really existed. i mean, we don't -- because it's happened so sort of imperceptibly, we don't realize

that our banking systems, and our electrical grid, are all kind of migrated to outer space. >> in fact, this conversation is happening in outer space, this tv show is carried by satellite. the internet's telecommunications, radio, gps, the economy, national security, all of it is done in outer space. like i said, we are sitting ducks. that is why we should follow what ronald reagan did. ronald reagan said, we need peace through strength but b, let's cut a deal with gorbachev, let's try to manage the unmanageable by cutting a deal. now the outer space treaty of 1967 could address these vulnerabilities, but it is way out of date. there it says nothing about lee jordan cannon, nothing. >> mark: no, the world has changed so much since then. thank you, thank you very much for that, professor. that is absolutely, extraordinary. it is a serious business and as

you say, it may well be part of the president's legacy. that is it for "tucker carlson tonight." i want to thank our intern, caitlin, who is going off. she was so excited to get a picture or not with me, but with sean hannity. shawn is ready to take off, blast off into the stratosphere. >> sean: is that what you call it? blasting off. we do have big breaking news. mark, thank you. we have incredible dress, joe digenova, the great woodmark li. we have breaking news this hour. it is so much worse then we knew or thought. the story of corrupt doj official ex-foreign spies working together, literally to m becoming president, and after his election to destroy him. we have more major breaking news surrounding bruce ohr and christopher steele and now christopher steele's boss, fusion gps founder glenn simpson. the hills john solomon has now uncovered additional disturbing communications and for the first time, we have