>> martha: be sure to tune in this sunday on fox news sunday, i make in speaking with lindsey graham, tucker is up next. ♪ >> mark: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight," i'm mark steyn in for tucker. if the national football league is back, the six-month hiatus has done nothing to alleviate the protest, two players on the miami dolphins melt during the national anthem and other players raised their fists during the anthem or simply walked around. the protest served to reignite the nfl's feud with the president. today, president trump tweeted the nfl players are at it again and taking a knee when they should be standing proudly for

the national anthem. numerous players from different teams wanted to show their outrage, something that most of them are unable to define. they make a fortune doing what they love. be happy, be cool. a football game that fans are paying so much money to watch and enjoy is no place to protes protest. find another way to protest, stand proudly for your national anthem or be suspended without pay. "the tweet was immediately labeled as racist by the president's foes. >> he is the racial opportunist in chief. he is using race to incite the base. >> trump embraces racism himself. >> he continues to do this iq insult against african-americans. >> donald trump himself is a

racist and a white supremacist, that's all there is to it. >> mark: he's a racist because people are expected to stand for the national anthem. burgess owens is a former nfl player, are we in for five, 12, 20 seasons, is this a permanent breach of the national anthem as a communal ritual observed by all americans? >> there is no question it's hard to believe we are into a third season and unfortunately the way this works out to the players are the ones who take the brunt of this. they're going to be impacted in their career but still be impacted later on when they try to get a job and realize they have demeaned their own brand. but we need to look at the source. the sources nfl management, one of they going to get your act

together and stop playing these guys and to stop playing our country? they have a choice of setting our rules, nobody shows up to work and protests because they feel like protests, these young men have not been taught in their home about respect. they think they can get away with it and it's not going to happen. they're going to pay the price and the owners will move their business on. >> mark: you have stood for the national anthem in public on sports, in sports stadiums for years. how can players be so narcissistic that they think a national anthem is an opportunity for self-expression, regardless of whether they are pumping their fists or taking a knee or standing upside down, why would you think that's something to do international anthem? >> and i grew up in a different

generation, like jim brown, lynn swan and franco harris. we would get teary-eyed because we had gratitude. we had a dad who talked about respect, not only about respecting ourselves and our family, and these young men don't have that. this all goes back, the real crux of this, we have an issue behind the curtains. the black community as a crying shame, they are pumping out 75% of black boys in the state of california last year cannot pass a meeting or writing test. it's an issue of understanding our country and her history and being proud of it. >> mark: there is a significant loss of revenue in a significant loss of audience. i meet people all the time who say the nfl is dead to me, i'm not going back to it. how much more of this -- they want to take a third season? how much damage to their brand can they take?

>> they are leftist globalists. they just paid the commission for the $40 million because they see incentive internationally. they lost 20% of it in the last couple of years. they're looking at $25 billion globally with their international teams. nfl china players, nfl france players, you name it, they have put in place a global strategy for global tb revenue and they don't mind giving up on american fans to do that. >> mark: i remember that game at wembley stadium where they all took a need for "the star-spangled banner" and then got to their feet are god save the queen, an extraordinary site. chris hahn is a radio host and a former staffer to chuck schumer, he joins us.

do you agree with this? the president by defending the national anthem is being a racist? >> i don't know that he's being a racist but it surely does appeal to a certain racist part of his face. i'm not saying his whole basis racist but there are definitely people who this appeals to end he's picking a fight once again with a black athlete in an attempt to distract us from an economy that while growing for some, is producing inflation that is hurting others particularly people in his base. >> mark: the fact they are black athletes, the flag, the national anthem, there's very few things in a republic that are supposed to be for everybody that we all agree on. particularly in fractious times. it's not in your interest to make a standing for the national anthem just a thing that right wing conservatives do. >> i always stand for the anthem

but i thank god every day i live in a country where i don't have to. this is america, you are free to protest. taking a knee during the national anthem has been discussed as a reasonable appropriate and very respectful respectful -- absolutely. you speak to people over the years within veterans communities and others, this is a very respectful way. >> mark: those people pumping fists, walking around, you can take a need for king george the third, you got rid of him so you don't take the day, you stand up for the national -- the point about the national anthem as everybody has got to do the same thing for it, or it's not a national anthem anymore. >> the point of living in a democratic republic is everybody can do what they want to do particularly around a song being played at an event. it is freedom, you don't fight for the flag or the anthem, you fight for the freedoms that the flag and the anthem represent.

>> mark: it's not a first amendment issue, i have a first amendment right to shout f words at your grandmother's funeral. to defend it as an abstract right is absurd. any civilized society depends on people having -- respecting a minimum of social norms. if you're at an international game and they play the canadian anthem or the french anthem or the german anthem, or these jacksonville jaguars players who stood up for god save the queen, they understood with a foreign anthem it's polite to get to your feet but not with their own anthem. >> let me just explain this to you but you may not have learned this in school. in a free society like ours, you do not have to stand compulsory for anything. you can do what you want to do as long as you're not hurting others.

there is no law that says -- we don't live in the age of 1984 where you do with the party tells you. you can peacefully protest whenever you want wherever you want. >> mark: let me explain something to you since were all explaining to each other, of course not. everyone accepts there is a legal right to do things, there's a legal right to be a boorish narcissistic ultimate million dollar buffoon who doesn't understand a basic societal norm. >> we have one running the country right now. >> mark: defending this kind of narcissistic self-indulgent buffoonery as some abstract freedom is completely ridiculous. no one is going to put them in jail, bob mueller isn't going to indict them and toss them in jail for 200 years but it's still not something you guys should be defending. >> i am defending people's rights to express themselves

peacefully without bothering other people. i respect that right. the president has bigger things to worry about then whether a couple of athletes are kneeling on sunday. i know it's a double whammy for him on this anniversary of his ridiculous remarks after charlottesville, it's a double whammy because the nfl rejected him many years ago, they wouldn't let him by a team so he gets back and he gets to charge up his face. we need the president to focus on bringing people together, not pulling them apart over this. >> mark: there's no point bringing people together who can't even agree on the national anthem. you might as well say wake me up before you go go for white people and the macarena for black people. carry on, you can have the leftward bird >> we respect thee also respect people's rights to

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>> mark: nancy pelosi has led democrats in the house of representatives for more than 15 years and more and more of those democrats are fed up. as of today more than 50 50 democrat congressmen and congressional candidates say they would not support her to

speak or if the party retakes the majority. >> we will have a vote as to who will be the next democratic leader whether it be minority or speaker of the house, will you vote for nancy pelosi? >> probably not. >> you have said you will not support nancy pelosi should to become elected as the next speaker. >> folks are ready for a new generation of leadership. >> would you back her if you win and are in the house? >> we don't want to get ahead of ourselves. >> mark: mark penn was a poster and advisor to both bill and hillary clinton and he joins us. 15 years in the modern age is a hell of a long time to be holding down a party leadership job, is she finally in trouble? >> i think trouble is overrated

here. if the democrats win the house she will have done the fund-raising, the messaging, she will be in a strong position and she will be strengthening herself in california. the california delegation is solidly behind her. i don't think she's going anywhere if she wins. on the other hand, there are a fair number of politicians for the purpose of the election because she's unpopular who want to distance themselves from her. eventually there will be a change. the other thing that could happen here is the problem solvers caucus, if this racism within five or six seats, democrats or republicans they may hold up the election for speaker unless there are rules changes and put some power back in the member's hands. >> mark: let's step back and talk about what you said in the beginning about whether she is in trouble or not. once upon a time if you were a loser, if you got a second

chance whether it's grover cleveland, richard nixon or whoever it is you're talking about. we live in much more brutal political times and nancy pelosi hasn't actually won in the house for 10 years. four elections and possibly a fifth grade what's the secret of her power? how was she managed to hold her grip on this court? >> california fund-raising, personality and organization. remember what has happened here is the fund-raising and the political campaigns largely got centralized giving more power to the leaders. that's one of the big reasons nothing gets done on both sides. the leaders have too much power and the members aren't free to agree on stuff. >> mark: let's turn it from a minority leader to a well-known new york city madam, the

self-described manhattan madam kristin davis testified before the mother investigations grand jury. why she did that is unclear but she has been the friend to a long time trump advisor roger stone. if you have a difficulty keeping your metropolitan madam substrate, this is the one who claimed to have provided hookers for eliot spitzer. how did the mueller investigation and of calling the manhattan madam before the grand jury? >> i lived through 98 so i know there are no rocks that special councils will stop from turning over? i think it's unfortunate for special counsel has gone down this road. roger stone has been clear, he didn't collude with anybody, he was up to his usual political tricks and bragging and they are obviously interviewing everybody around him regardless of

connection, just as they are interviewing everyone around trump. quite interestingly one of roger stone's other associates appealed to subpoena and i think although it was turned down at the district level, it was the most fascinating case which might be the case that unravels the entire independent counsel the investigation if it's appealed. >> mark: that is an interesting appeal. this doesn't meet any basic judicial norms what the special counsel does. he goes down the chain, he wants to talk to this madam because she's got something on some other guy and he can put the squeeze on that other guy and the other guy can roll up another guy and eventually somewhere in that chain, they will find that someone who has the goods on trump. why do democrats and republicans put up with this? why isn't there a bipartisan understanding of the need to get rid of this thing?

>> i wish there were. i fought ken starr in 98 and i've been outspoken i think this investigation is wrong. i think judge ellis clearly knows that manafort is on trial by the independent counsel with the entire weight of the largest prosecutorial machinery almost ever built only because he spent two months as trump campaign manager, he might've had a trial but much two indictments, even without bail, even harvey weinstein is out on a million dollars bail. this is not the way anybody really expects the american justice system to work. i am puzzled -- hatred of trump is so broad, people are forgetting the first principles is that we all have to agree on a system that's fair to all. >> mark: will get into judge ellis and the manafort trial later on the show.

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into facebook, you aren't consuming the products you are becoming one. the company relies on your personal data to make money and now it's trying to get even more of it. recent reports say the company is contacting major u.s. banks seeking detailed financial data about the bank's customers for the sake of crafting more services to entice facebook users. roger mcnamee was a mentor to mark zuckerberg and since then he's become a critic of facebook and joints is now. if any government entity was doing what facebook does, liberals in particular would be outraged about it. you remember how after 9/11 they went bananas over the patriot act because they thought george w. bush was tracking what library books people were taking out. that sounds quaint now. facebook knows more about two and a half billion people on the planet, more about more people

than anybody has ever known about anyone. where's it it going to stop? >> it's infuriating. as many active users as there are total members of christianity, were talking about the largest entity in business that has ever existed. they capture everything, what's particularly galling about the issue is it's not like they are going offer a new service. as a consumer, you have access to web services, facebook wants to get that data because with that data they're going to know a lot more about you and they're going to be able to manipulate your attention to the economic benefit. they're going to be able to use that data with third parties. my advice to everyone is if by some reason -- do not do this, this is a really bad idea.

i wish facebook would recognize the game has changed and they need to behave differently. >> mark: as a practical matter, they're going after major banks. if you want to transfer your checking account to the first national bank of the dead moose junction somewhere in the main woods they might not have done a deal with facebook. it's increasingly hard to avoid his tentacles. >> it's difficult, the good news is you would still have to take a little piece of software and facebook messenger that works with your specific bank so you always have the ability to opt out in this case. the problem as you pointed out is that in so many areas you don't have any way to opt out, all of this stuff has been done to you.

the sad thing is most of us don't even realize this has been going on. there's so much data that has been gathered in the way it's being used, you don't realize that's where the data is coming from and you don't realize this is being done to harm you. my simple point to everybody is the days of trusting tech companies to do the right thing are in the past now. i'm not saying don't use new ta tax, make sure you understand what the consequences are. there are a lot of reasons why that is just a terrible idea, it's convenient to bring the songs you want to listen to. >> mark: thank you for that. in order to have the convenience of knowing you like a justin bieber but not miley cyrus, you are willing to be surveilled 24 hours a day.

it's a 24-hour ankle bracelet that two and a half billion people are wearing around the planet. california republican congressional candidate recently learned what it's like to have powerful tech companies dictate what can and cannot be said. elizabeth tama created this campaign ad. >> in cambodia under the khmer rouge, being young and single often meant a gruesome life and often death. they approached my father, he said he was about to be married and they asked him to whom? he pointed to the prettiest girl that he saw having never spoken to her before. 41 years later, they are still the happiest couple i know.

great things can come. >> mark: facebook blocked that ad on the grounds that it contained shocking, disrespectful and sensational content, they have since relented in the face of public backlash. elizabeth ng joins us now. >> i found it incredibly frustrating when i got into the race to run for congress, a big part of my message is that great things can come from great adversity. my parents survived the khmer rouge and came to the united states as refugees and for some reason, facebook didn't

like that message and revoked my ability to promote this ad on their platform. >> mark: the khmer rouge in their mercifully brief time in cambodia managed to kill well over a million people. they were butchers, pol pot and his allies were butchers on the incredible scale. do you think that just some twit at facebook who's got no memory of anything before 2012 thinks that your ad was promoting genocide? are they that stupid? >> we constantly see how this is an attack from liberal tech companies that continue to go after conservative voices. what i showed were just glimpses of genocide. my family lived through it. for a tech company to be able to

say what history lives on, i find highly problematic. >> mark: that's an absolutely critical point. the point you are making there, it's not just that facebook dominates our present and our future. they are unilaterally deciding for themselves what part of the past we are allowed to know about. for example, what happened in cambodia, some social justice pajama boy at facebook this decs that can be erased into an a half million facebook users aren't entitled to see it. >> i tried to go through the normal protocols when it was first revoked and to no avail. it took five days and a whole national movement in order for them to say i apologize for the

confusion. had i been a liberal in los angeles, i don't think this would have taken five days international movement. my bigger concern is what if this happened five days before an election? >> mark: you're absolutely right. people who aren't in a position to go public have a much more difficult time. thanks for that, thanks for your inspiring story and your family story and good luck in your election. paul manafort's criminal trial in virginia has produced no end of excitement thanks in part to the unusual behavior of the deciding judge. he threw another curveball at prosecutors today, that's coming up next on "tucker carlson tonight" ." no matter who rides point,

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ellis mysterious halted testimony for five hours without explanation. alex lytle is a criminal defense attorney, he joins us now. what's the reason for this mercurial judges five hour delay today? >> we haven't gotten a d confirmed reporting as to the exact reason. i think there are a few clues. the judge went into the jury room and also the court reporter going into his chambers with the attorneys from both sides. that suggests there is something going on with the jury with possibly a juror who has been exposed to some information and said some things that he shouldn't have. if that happens, there has to be a hearing out of the presence of the public, the jurors have to be questioned about the series of things. >> mark: it may be some jurors have been known to be behaving inappropriately. the prosecution's view is that it's the judge who's been behaving inappropriately, he's been very hard on them.

yesterday he told one of them to stop -- talking about this loan that men afford never got and move on to one that he actually did. i'm all in favor of being disrespectful to judges because i think americans are too deferential to judges, generally, but in this case the prosecution is showing its anger with the way the judge has conducted this trial. >> you don't often see federal judges come down hard on federal prosecutors it's generally the other way around. the prosecutors are in front of the same judges day after day but this judges known to be this way. he's called himself the caesar of his own small roma. i don't think it's unexpected behavior from judge ellis but it's unusual compared to other cases. >> mark: mark penn was on earlier and he made the point that we all know whatever the state of paul manafort's taxes,

the reason this trial is taking place has nothing to do with his tax returns from ten years ago, 20 years ago, whatever it is -- but only because he worked for the donald trump campaign for a couple of months in 2016. is it a credible case given that underlying reality? >> the evidence has been standard bank and tax fraud, the sort that you see in every state in the united states. the government does not take kindly to lying to banks especially when you're talking about millions of dollars. would've it had to have as much focus? of course not. these are bread-and-butter cases. >> mark: rick gates stole money from manafort's bank accounts to finance an extramarital affair in london, does it come down to the governments -- mueller's

witness, his credibility versus manafort's? >> any time you have a cooperator providing the insight account, jury is going to be asked to determine whether that person is telling the truth. prosecutors build these cases by taking the information in the corroborated us much as they can with hard documents. they've done that here and ultimately that's what the jury is going to have to rely upon if they convict paul manafort. >> mark: we will see how it goes if next week proceeds. thanks for joining us. the stars are at war in hollywood. kanye supports him while spike lee hates him, their latest antics are up next. your alle? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist.

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going to war with one another to defend or attack president trum president trump. on jimmy kimmel last night at the wrapper kanye west said he wouldn't be believed by those chaining him for liking the president. >> everyone around me try to pick my candidate for me. and told me every time i said i like trump that i couldn't say it out loud or my career would be over, i would get kicked out of the black community because we have monolithic thoughts, we can only be democrats. liberals can't bully me, news can't bully me. >> mark: just a short while ago, the president tweeted thank you to kanye west and the fact that he is willing to tell the truth. african-american unemployment is the lowest ever recorded in the history of our country so honored by this. thank you for your support, it is making a big difference. film director spike lee told

anderson cooper in his view donald trump wasn't his president at all. >> the president of the united states had a chance to denounce hate, hate groups, the whole world saw what happened and he didn't do it. it's not even a dog whistle, it's a bullhorn. >> what you want to sit down with donald trump? >> no, i don't use his name either. agent orange. >> do you consider him your president? >> no. >> mark: harley shimkus is a reporter with fox news headlines 24/7. kanye west the president this tweeting about him, he is unusual in that he spoke up for trump, he spoke up for the president and he was clubbed and

battered and he stuck with it. >> we can give him credit for at least being brave. i do think some conservatives have jumped on the kanye bandwagon a little bit too prematurely. he made some very good points about freedom of thought when he declared his support for the president. it's clear in that interview that he likes the shock value, he likes to be a contrarian and he doesn't like when people tell him what to do. jimmy kimmel asked him a simple question about what president trump has done for the african-american community and kanye west was come completely unprepared to answer. he could have pulled from a number of things, jobs, -- it doesn't feel like he's done a deep dive into conservative values. he did make some good points about at least not being bullied by people. >> and i don't think anyone seriously expects kanye west to

be a rock-ribbed conservative to turn into william f buckley. isn't it just the case where you've got people who are the most successful guys on the planet, major celebrities. we live in a bizarre world where you can be one of the most successful people ever at what you do and you are terrified to miss tweet because you will be clubbed to a pulp in your career will be over. isn't there something refreshing about a guy who says i like to be free to say what i want. >> it brings us to the spike lee point. what struck me with what he had to say is that he wouldn't even sit down and talk to the president. i think he made some very good points in the interview about what's happening with the charlottesville riots but those points go nowhere if you're not willing to meet with the person in charge. lebron james said the same thing, he wouldn't sit at the same table.

famous people in hollywood who could potentially score white house invitation they almost become their own worst enemies because they aren't solving problems by screaming at other people that they hate the president and they don't like where this country is going. >> mark: they're not just screaming, they are smashing is a star on the sidewalks of hollywood. they're turning to violence and we are seeing some pushback on the kind of vandalism of trump memorabilia. >> interesting headline, conservative street artist that happens to live in california which is a headline -- has been putting fake hollywood walk of fame trump stars because president trump's hollywood walk of fame star was recently smashed with a pickax.

george lopez did something file to it or at least pretended to. there is one guy who was fighting back in a way and it's a laminated sheet. there is no real damage done there, and he's trying to make a political point. >> mark: you used the word contrarian and once upon a time edgy pop culture figures used to like to be contrarian. now they are plunking people who just want to be serious about all of this stuff. we've got to go, thanks for that. we will see you on the tv imminently tomorrow. >> monday. >> mark: glenn greenwald is a dog lover and a so is tucker and after a break they will be back to discuss the dog rescue operation. plus creepy porn lawyer news.

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my husband and i actually have 24 rescue dogs of our own at our house. about five years ago or so we fostered hundreds of dogs over the year. working with the homeless population in brazil that lives on the streets with their pets. discovered that the bond between homeless people and homeless dogs is even more deep and profound because of their mutual deprivation than the average suburban family with a dog. we the decided to tap into that and started a shelter a year ago that's designed to rescue abandoned animals from the street. at the same time employ homeless people who have demonstrated an affinity for animals because they live and care for them so well on the street. employ them and transition them into permanent employment and getting housing. so we are growing slowly. we have about 150 dogs. we currently have at the sherlt. we placed about three dozen

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what's that like? >> it's a lot of dogs. >> it's [ laughter ] >> it's a lot of fun. sometimes of course you know as is true with your kids, say, you want to just murder them all. but in general, it was my dream too when i was a kid, was just to have a huge stockpile of dogs that we rescued. >> [ laughter ] >> of course we have individual relationships with them. and they have these really amazing and intricate cliques and bonds with one another and weird friendships that they form. but we always the said that ten and twelve and 16 and 20 was our limit. 24 is definitely our limit. they all go to the shelter the now [ laughter ] >> it's incredibly amazing. our kids love them. it's great to have them around. >> i have so many more questions but we're out of time. but good for you. that is the lord's work i'm totally convinced. thank you for that. >> thank you tucker, really appreciate it.

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