rope and everybody is safe. how can you miss that out in the lake? >> bill: kind of hard, isn't it? there you are. i'll tell you what he's doing at 5:00 today for sure, that's his lead story. >> he's going to be doing a show out of that thing. >> bill: happy monday. >> see you tomorrow. >> fox news alert for you now, big developments in the investigation into the justice department and f.b.i.'s probe of the trump campaign during and after the 2016 election. fox news confirming that the f.b.i. has fired controversial f.b.i. employee peter strzok. he is the employee outted for sending anti-trump text messages while serving as a lead investigator on the hillary clinton e-mail probe and during the special counsel investigation. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today, the host of kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy herself, host of the intelligence report on fox business network, trish regan, host of the evening edit, also on the fox business network.

elizabeth mcdonald and joining us on the couch today, steve hilton, host of the next revolution which is not on f.b.n. >> but it should be. >> melissa: you are wildly outnumbered and you're the author of the soon to be released book "popular populism" and he is outnumbered. anything positive right now should sell like hot cakes. >> he's a great writer! >> that's such a nice thing to say. >> i love your monologues and can't wait to read the book. >> you have a warning for you all. i left my contact lenses back home in california. so if i start calling you trish or kennedy, that's the reason. i can barely see anything. >> melissa: and i can make funny faces at you and you'll never know. you have no idea until you watch it back later. should be a fun show. now that the f.b.i. has fired agent peter strzok, his attorney slamming the agency in a statement saying, in part "it is a decision that produces only one winner. those who seek to harm our country and weaken our democracy, the f.b.i. and the american people deserve better." chief intelligence correspondent

catherine herridge is live outside of the trial of former trump campaign chair paul manafort in alexandria, virginia, and we are waiting the start of day 10 in that case. lots of news, break it down for us. >> that's right, melissa and thank you. so about an hour from now, the court will reconvene in the courthouse behind me in the eastern district of virginia, and we're expecting the government, the prosecutors to put on at least one more witness before they wrap their case. this is a senior banking official from the federal savings bank. he was part of the loan committee and he'll know the ins and outs of this $16 million loan that paul manafort secured in 2016. the big news, though, this morning has been confirmation that f.b.i. agent peter strzok has been fired for cause by the f.b.i. and that decision was made, according to a statement from strzok's attorney, by the deputy director of the f.b.i. and the allegation in the statement and this is significant is that the

deputy director overruled the finding of the f.b.i.'s internal disciplinary body called the office of professional responsibility which, according to the statement, had recommended a suspension of 60 days and a demotion but it's said that deputy director fired strzok friday afternoon. now, strzok's attorney as part of that statement is saying the decision to fire f.b.i. agent peter strzok is not only a departure from typical bureau practice but it also contradicts director ray -- that's christopher ray's testimony to congress and his assurances that the f.b.i. intended to follow its regular procedures in this and all personnel matters. this decision should be deeply troubling to all americans. what's key here is that agent strzok is kind of at the intersection, the nexus, he is the common link, between the clinton e-mail case and the russia investigation and the one other person who also held that

sort of dual hatted role who is really in a decision making position was former deputy director andrew mccabe and now both of these individuals have been fired for cause by the f.b.i. just as a footnote, strzok's attorney says this has never been any evidence that his political feelings directly impacted the decision making in the russia collusion case, but you know from that very public testimony there were many republicans on the oversight and the judiciary committee just felt that was a bridge too far. and that there really was evidence that some of his decisions were driven by politics, melissa? >> melissa: catherine herridge, thank you so much for that report. >> you're welcome. >> melissa: i will bring it out to the couch. let me start with you, i mean, so he's -- >> me? >> melissa: not you. yeah. peter strzok finally fired after having been escorted out a while ago. it was probably news to some that he was still on the payroll. what do you think about this? >> my reaction and i expect a

lot of other's reactions will be about time. that's great. the danger, the establishment, the f.b.i. and others in power here think of this as some kind of sacrificial offering that will make the whole issue of the establishment's role in trying to stop donald trump getting elected and then once he's elected to try to undermine him all go away. it wasn't just peter strzok. he's not the only one. this isn't some rogue agent. there's something deeper going on. while we should be happy that this has happened, we should continue to press for a deeper investigation of the whole system. >> melissa: this is the tip of the iceberg. you'll remember the testimony was very tense when he got up there in front of congress. let me remind you of a little bit of it. kennedy, i'll ask you what you think on the other side. >> i don't appreciate what was originally said being changed. >> i don't care what you appreciate, mr. strzok. >> that's an expression of speech. i wasn't smelling one thing or the other.

>> wasn't literal. that means there was no bias whatsoever. he didn't have a negative view of trump supporters or then candidate trump. it's very interesting because we'll see what this does to the investigation. look at the number of people that have been excused from the f.b.i. because of their involvement in this investigation and the overlap between the clinton e-mail server investigation and the trump russia investigation, they are now gone. and i'm wondering, is there a connection between the people who have been exorcised from the organization and the mueller investigation. if there's a connection between the president and some sort of russian collusion, is this leading us with somewhere? steve is right.

peter strzok's head is not enough. it's taken too long. it's nice to see some accountability. we haven't seen that in any of these other investigations. >> melissa: remind our audience, the reason why we care about peter strzok, one of the many reasons, is because he's the one that turned the investigation from the hillary clinton e-mail server at the pivotal moment and wrote the memo that opened the investigation into russian collusion that brought out the mueller probe and all of that. this person with his bias that we've seen through these texts who was fired for cause and now is gone for good, is the one who set all that into motion. >> you're right. and the rewording of the gross negligence down to the unactionable extreme recklessness term. you know, there are five other individuals the inspector general said that displayed bias towards trump still in the justice department. we don't know who the other ones are. what was striking to your point was, you know, when he said, we will stop them. remember? he couldn't recall sending that text? and all of a sudden, he did

recall, we will stop him. and then like we -- we meant the american people. nobody believed that. what was really striking is in 2016, even before hillary's opponent was named, peter strzok said hillary will win 1 million to zero. he had her winning even before donald trump was named as her opponent. and he oversaw both the hillary clinton probe, e-mail probe and the russian probe as well. >> melissa: trish? >> i think the bias is pretty obvious and pretty blatant. it's pretty disgusting to see. i say great, i'm glad you got rid of him. why didn't this happen way earlier? why did it take this long? think of the destruction that we have had in terms of our beliefs in the fairness of our system. think of all the damage those texts did. his bias did to us. i mean, the smarter thing would have been to get out ahead of this months and months ago. instead, we now in a situation

where the american people do not trust the f.b.i. and it's, in part, because of this guy. >> so powerful. if they would have got rid of him at the beginning and said, this is not acceptable! you can't have someone in a role like this who has such clear political bias getting involved in the political case. that would have given people confidence. but it was exactly the opposite. >> melissa: taken off the mueller probe when they discovered the text. you remember the texts weren't revealed for so long. it took the i.g. in order to find them and turn them over. it wasn't enough when they were doing the investigation. >> didn't have access to them. >> melissa: all right. meanwhile, senator lindsey graham renewing his calls for a second special counsel to investigate the f.b.i. and d.o.j. over their handling of the russian probe. he's specifically targeting the d.o.j. official bruce orr who -- ohr who has been subpoenaed to testify next month. he takes issue with ohr of

having been involved with the russian probe while his wife works for the opposition research firm the clinton campaign used to get dirt on then candidate donald trump. watch. >> both campaigns were investigated by the f.b.i. and the department of justice in 2016. when it came to the clinton campaign, she got a pass. the criminal investigation of the clinton campaign was a joke. when it came to the trump campaign, it was corrupt. it was biassed. and i think unethical. mr. ohr shouldn't have had any role in investigating the trump campaign because his wife worked at fusion g.p.s. >> melissa: steve, this is the kind of collusion that we don't hear about. that's so much more direct. when you have somebody working inside the f.b.i. that hires the firm that his wife works for to hire a -- an english spy to go out and then mingle with the russians and come up with this dossier. that's incredible. there's money changing hands. there's people from the f.b.i. it's insane.

>> right. and that's why -- and there's more than what you've had time to list there. i think that lindsey graham is exactly right about this. and it goes to the point that we were discussing earlier. everyone's confidence in our governing institutions because at the end of this mueller probe, whatever happens, you can be sure that roughly half the country will think it's completely biassed and cooked up by the establishment and won't have any confidence in it and the other side of the equation, the hillary clinton side, just got off without any investigation and unless there is an equivalent process on the other side, this country will not come together. there will not be confidence. you have to have this second inquiry, equivalent in status to what we see going on with trump. >> you would hope that mueller will look into all sides. if you look at the mandate, it specifically says to look for collusion in the trump campaign. well, what about the possibility of collusion in the hillary campaign given everything that melissa just laid out? it seems to me --

>> melissa: not good if you're paying for this stuff, too! >> the role of the f.b.i., department of justice and other institutions of government in potentially trying to subvert an american election. that's really serious. >> when you talk to the career f.b.i. officials and the veterans, they are really upset. they don't like what's happening to the bureau at all. and, you know, you got to wonder when peter strzok talked about the insurance policy, was that the dossier? because peter strzok did say in testimony that yes, the f.b.i. got access to that file. so i don't know. it's just -- if you swap out the word trump and put in the word obama or any other democrat, they would be pretty upset. >> president trump tweeting on the peter strzok matter saying agent peter strzok was just fired from the f.b.i. finally. the list of bad players in the f.b.i. and d.o.j. gets longer and longer based on the fact that strzok was in charge of the witch hunt, will it be dropped? it is a total hoax. no collusion.

no obstruction. i just fight back. kennedy, i mean, here we go. president tweeting about it again. i guess you're back, though, to the matter of bruce ohr as well, they want to see his texts between him and his wife who was working inside fusion g.p. s., what could those say? on one hand, the texts we've seen have been insane. >> i don't only want to see the texts between them because obviously, they're married and some of them could be pretty saucy and some could be very boring. get 1% this time! but i also am curious about the relationship between bruce ohr and peter strzok. and if you remember, when michael was the i.g. when he sat before congress, he pretty much said peter strzok is still very much under investigation and this is a different track we have taken. so i'm curious if his firing has anything to do with further investigation there. and, you know, bruce ohr going before congress, i think that's a very good idea.

and his wife as well. you know, they obviously played vastly different roles. there are a number of people in washington who are married or are partners and they work in different areas of government and, you know, perhaps, there's crossover. but, you know, absolutely right when it comes to influencing the outcome of a presidential election, that's when it is unethical and not ok. and if you're the president and sitting here and watching another person meet the guillotine, you have to wonder if your exoneration is around the corner. >> and we haven't heard from bruce ohr yet. that's what's so interesting when we got peter strzok out in front of congress, you want to hear these people and see how they're saying what they say because peter strzok was defiant. he was almost beligerent at times and he seemed very titled. and it kind of gave you a lot of the sense behind the texts. >> even though the i.g. said he showed a willingness to take action against the president, right? >> melissa: right. >> i can't get over, you're

absolutely right, though. i can't get over his attitude. watching that, do you remember watching that and thinking -- >> unbelievable. >> he's totally shameless. >> amazing. >> all right. the white house and the president responding after former white house staffer omarosa drops more of her secret recordings. oh, lord. red flags they say are raised as the former trump advisor takes aim at her former colleagues. plus what the president is tweeting about this now. >> is general kelly running this country or is the president running this country? alright, i brought in new max protein

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>> melissa: the white house and president trump responding to former advisor omarosa newman after she dropped secret recordings from her time at the white house. the latest in allegedly taped conversation with the president during which the president is apparently surprised to hear that she was fired by chief of staff general john kelly. listen. >> omarosa, what's going on? i saw on the news you're thinking about leaving. what happened? >> general kelly -- general kelly came to me and said that you guys wanted me to leave. >> no, nobody even told me about it. >> melissa: right. the recording released today on nbc's "today show" a day after omarosa put out the tape of kelly firing her.

omarosa made that tape by bringing a recording device into the high security situation room. that has her former colleagues at the white house raising alarms. >> the very idea that a staff member, former staff member would go into the situation room and attempt to record someone else shows a complete disregard for national security. >> melissa: again, we're talking about omarosa. i don't know if you watched the seasons of "the apprentice" that she was on, very entertaining and made a name for herself by being one of the first reality villains. so i actually am maybe the least surprised person in the world that she took a recording device into that highly secured room. >> i think you put your finger on it because i think about this story, it's basically an entertainment story and isn't a news story. this is totally inconsequential. not going to affect anything in the real world. she's obviously looking for book sales. it's market forces.

she had a nice book that everybody is fine. don't buy it. only reason she's getting on "the today show" and "meet the press" is she's saying all this stuff about the president. i think i'm right in saying every single story she's told where she's brought somebody else in to back up her story have said that's not true. i didn't say that. i didn't say that. the pollster over the weekend denied it and said she didn't contact me. katrina pearson on her show last night, specifically going through all the things that she claimed that katrina said that weren't true. it's all ridiculous. there's one slightly serious thing that i want to address, she's been going around saying that we heard earlier that the president is a puppet. that it's john kelly who runs the country. that is the most ridiculous thing. if you think about what president trump is actually doing and how outraged all of the establishment is, for example, on tariffs where everyone is basically against him. on relationship with other countries, one after another, he's breaking precedent. and the fear is that this john

kelly driving rather than them it's obvious, this is a president that is completely steamrolling all the people. it's just obviously mad. >> melissa: if you have somebody that's problematic and unstable, you're going to essentially fire them the way that general kelly did and the president has to play dumb in order to not really poke the hornet's nest. >> absolutely. i would say first of all, it shows epic bad judgment on the president's part for bringing her in the first place. we know that. you can see that. i mean, this is along the lines with paul manafort and michael cohen, you know, among the very bad decisions that happened early on and hopefully he's learned his lesson. beyond that, when you listen to the recordings, first of all, general kelly, i mean, is like a textbook example of how to fire somebody with dignity. you listen to it. he's now look, we can -- you can look back on this as a nice year with nothing on your reputation. if we just shake hands and you walk out and all is fine, and he knows full well that she's going to light a torch and throw it behind her as she walks away.

but he tries to be civil about it and then you listen to the president and it's hard to believe he didn't know about it. but that's like the classic, he doesn't want to get -- oh, no! i need to know i'm so sorry! >> not in love with this idea. >> there's nothing i can do. i'm just the president of the united states. >> melissa: is there anything here that can hurt the president? she's saying he's a racist and she's heard recordings of him using the "n" word. >> i don't think anyone believes her at all. you said it well in the beginning. she was america's first reality show villain. she doesn't have a lot of people that say i trust what she says. i don't think anybody buys it. the people in the trump camp don't like her and then people, you know, that were on the other side, maybe they'll listen to her a little bit but they know that she's not fully credible. so that's the problem. but the fact that she's not so credible gets back to what was she doing there in the first place? i mean, she never, ever should have had that job, maybe he felt like he owed her in some way because she helped on the

campaign trail. i'm glad that general kelly did what he had to do in this case. >> maybe the president's intuition fails him occasionally when he's making personnel decisions. look at michael flynn and paul manafort and omarosa. >> you know, the media is treating this like blockbuster bombshell headline news which is nonsense on stilts because there's nothing in the audio tapes that reveal anything that we didn't know already about how the president would deal with a firing or john kelly would deal with it. and you're right about john kelly. the fact that he is the mastermind and the president is a puppet, i mean, weren't there reports that john kelly wanted to leave because he couldn't control the white house? i mean, so it's sort of undercuts the narrative about omarosa trying to sell her books with this. >> said the same thing about steve bannon. >> but astonishing that a recording device was brought in there and she was recording. >> melissa: here's the thing that is interesting. they keep drawing the parallels between people that are first trump supporters. you go to chris collins, you know, who was just indicted for

insider trading. and they try to connect it to the president and say he had bad judgment. you have to remember, he's trying to reward loyalty of his early supporters and the only people that supported him early on were people that were way out on the fringe who were betting on a long shot because they were already disenfranchised from things that were going on and he tried to repay their loyalty but now it looks like he had such bad judgment, let's dial back to when he hired these people. no one thought he was going to win and no one thought he was going to get the nomination. we didn't think he was going to run out of the gate. >> who was one of those early adapters? jeff sessions. jeff sessions was the first one in congress to take him around and we're stuck with him as attorney general. making a series of bad decisions, sitting there eating boiled peanuts while he recused himself. >> you know this as well when we were trying to bring people on, because we want all sides that would support the now president trump. >> there was zero. >> there was none, exactly.

if you could find someone, it wasn't necessarily the most credible type out there. so in the very early days, people were very reluctant to support him and if you just wanted to talk about, say, tax policy or international policy, no one was there. i mean, so you were stuck with kind of a rag tag group. >> melissa: it ends up -- it has again and again and we've seen it in the past few weeks. it continues to bite him because these people turned out were not the best sort. >> you know what? the only for bites winning. a police union urging tens of thousands of members to boycott the miami dolphins over national anthem protests. whether the nfl will now be forced to create a league policy. plus what president trump's attorney rudy giuliani is saying now about a potential sitdown with president trump and robert mueller as giuliani today called on mueller to end the russian probe by the end of the month. we'll debate that in a moment. >> why did i say september 1st?

two months ago when we met on september 1st as a date he might be able to get the report done by. >> does he still sound like that? >> he has not repeated that since then. but he hasn't taken it back! >> right. and there's no reason why it can't be done. oh!

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has and they can evaluate it. they're entitled to this information before -- he shouldn't hold it and try to manipulate the election the way comey did. i don't think he wants to do that. >> melissa: steve, i think rudy is using that classic clinton model which worked so well where you say everything. you just muddy the waters and you confuse everyone until finally people are like forget it. >> on this, he's got a really good point, though. i think that it's pretty obvious, isn't it, that if you have this investigation in any way, getting into the headlines during that crucial campaign season, that really is the time that everyone starts paying attention to the races, labor day is the traditional kickoff. yet, he's right. a, it should be published before then. i don't see any sign of that happening. so if it's not, he's got to basically have a pause. you can't have the president going and doing interviews during the campaign. that's exactly the kind of

interference that people were rightly upset about with comey. >> melissa: although he's not on the ballot. how much are people deciding who they're going to vote for based on how the mueller probe is going? >> i think he could actually get some support in his base if they feel like their president is being pushed into a corner increasingly so, maybe that will get them out to the polls. so it could go a few different ways. look, i would like this to be done and over with. >> melissa: we're sick of it. >> the longer it goes on, the more as we talked about earlier, the more americans lose faith in their government, in the system, and that is a dangerous thing. and if you think that vladimir putin may have had any ulterior motive here and trying to plant some of this doubt in the american public's mind, well, we've completely fallen for it. so the longer this goes on, the more distrust people have. let's get it done and over with. >> can i just add something to that? because obviously, they want chaos and they want discord. but what's funny is i don't

think it's working to their advantage. i think what it's done is people may be divided right now. but they're so politically engaged which is kind of the opposite of what they want. and now, you know, our economy is doing far better than their economy by pretty much every measure so if they want political chaos to bleed into the economy and somehow have that fail, that plan isn't working either. so, you know, i think it's great to have people talking about stuff and looking at stuff they never looked at and it's good for people to have this kind of skepticism about their current leaders, people they elect and those that are appointed in what some call -- >> that whole conversation about the bureau overseeing the deep state wasn't there before. >> they're looking for julian assange to be sitting next to donald trump jr. writing e-mails or hitting the buttons to send them. it's not there.

the american people know that this probe costs $17 million. we don't know if robert mueller is going to get to the bottom of it before the election. probably not. they want to know was there conspiracy and collusion? the longer it drags on, the american people are probably saying, you know what? we are tired of it. wrap it up and tell us right now what you have. what do you got? >> if there's something and it's bad, let us know or, i mean, look at the other way. maybe the president is intentionally drawing it out and the whole idea is you keep this idea alive if the senate turns, first thing they'll try to do is try to impeach the president. they're trying to subvert the will of the people. so what do you think about that, steve? >> that's actually a really good point because you've got the democratic leaders, democratic party leadership is actually, i think, worried about that impeachment message because they know that they love it. but most voters don't want that at all. they think that's way too far. and so if that becomes an issue

in the campaign, vote democrat and you get pelosi and impeachment, that works to the republicans' advantage and not the democrats. >> flip side of that, democrats are quick to point out that the president's negatives are high and especially among suburban women who once again, they think are going to play a pivotal role in a lot of different places around the country and the more you tempt him to tweet. >> great point. >> melissa: people don't like that. >> remember, republicans pushed the impeach clinton in 1998 and ended up losing seats in congress. so your point is well taken. i think people want to get got only of it. i think there's like probe fatigue right now. >> melissa: there is probe fatigue. another syndrome that we'll need therapy for, kennedy. >> strong cup of coffee and vitamin b12 shot right in the keester! >> the fact that we have this going on to begin with is very strange in that it was all based off that dossier which, you know, as journalists, we would have never run with that information ever because it hadn't been properly sourced.

and yet, comey -- >> comey said it was unverified, right? >> it was unverified and it then launches an investigation. >> they leaked it to the press in order to have it -- >> apparently, that press story was used as the whole thing. >> right. >> then peter strzok said i could be working on impeachment. >> it's messed up. >> melissa: more blowback for the nfl. miami dolphins schedule a first responders day game. and then players make some first responders furious by raising fists and taking a knee during the anthem the other night. now, one police organization with a protest of its own against the team and the league. that's next. ♪

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>> melissa: welcome back. a florida police union is urging members to boycott the miami dolphins after players on the dolphins and three other teams renewed their national anthem protests during the first full slate of preseason games on thursday. some players kneeling raising their fists or waiting in the locker room while the anthem played. this coming after the team had scheduled a first responders day for its november 4th game. that's a home game. broward county police union now calling on its members and all south florida police officers to boycott the team saying "if you've already purchased tickets to the game, we encourage you to call the dolphins ticket office to request a refund because this organization obviously does not honor first responders and the dangers they put themselves in every day." the vice president of the broward county police union weighing in on just this morning on "fox & friends." watch. >> we thought that this was an olive branch to, you know, kind

of mend and heal and actually have some constructive dialogue. >> melissa: it sorts of plays into what the players are protesting. if they think the police is actually angry and agitated, kind of a win for them ooch. >> it's not a good situation. the origin of it which was protests against the way police have historically and currently behaved is the real point. we can't just dismiss that as something that doesn't need to be looked at. of course, it's gone way beyond that now. it's not really about that. it's seen as a basic argument about patriotism and frankly, the president has won that argument because it's quite clear that the public are pretty overwhelmingly on his side. they think that the players should, if they want to express their political views, express them elsewhere. not exactly at that moment at this event, these events that are supposed to be unifying. i think most people agree with that. so i think yes, we should look

at the issue that started it all. the way that the police behaved. >> some of the team owners and some of the organizations, they want to have positive interaction with police officers and law enforcement in their communities. but they can't force their players to be patriotic so what should they do? >> you know, the one issue is whether or not the networks will show this on television or just have a commercial break and not show it at all. i think that's one idea that's been out there. you're right, i agree there's injustice, right? and the criticism is the players are doing this for shock value because that flag has covered the cost of soldiers that served under it to protect our freedoms and freedoms like the rights to free speech. that's what's offensesive to the military families out there that have lost loved ones. it's the pain and agony of that. and many of them, minority families as well. so they're doing it for shock value. can you just, you know, speak at a microphone before the game and speak your mind and not do it during the national anthem?

and will the networks continue to air it on television? >> see, i think it's one of these situations where now it's been going on for so long, both sides can make good legitimate points about why they're right in what they're doing. any argument that goes on long enough, you can find the right place to position yourself in that argument. but now, it's just -- it's ruining football. it's making communities angry. why don't they sit together, one team, i would challenge one team, one team owner to get some of your players out to sit down with first responders in your community and start a dialogue and set an example for everyone else to follow because the continuing fighting isn't helping anyone. it's not helping any of the issues on either side. it's giving everybody only more fully entrenched and i think the president is pouring gasoline on the fire half the time because it's a big issue for him, he thinks, and it's just creating an atmosphere that's ruining the -- >> i think if some of these players could articulate what they want from law enforcement.

and from legislators. what do they want? >> arguments there and they should do that on their own time. but how is it that we live in a world where singing the national anthem and standing for the national anthem has become so difficult for so many? i mean, you think about something -- again, the military families, the history of this country, it's wonderful. i sang the national anthem over the fourth of july. i made a little recording and played it. i thought about it. >> you're a good singer. i love it. >> how crazy is this that this might be perceived as something where maybe i'm sticking up for trump and not for -- and how nuts is that? >> very quickly, i think, there's a big difference here with britain. when i moved here, one of the things that i really loved was this unashamed patriotism that was widely shared. that it was just an american

thing that everyone -- very different from the u.k. where it's always slightly embarrassing. no one sings the anthem, etc. and i worry that it's moving in that wrong direction to a bit like what it is in the u.k. hope that doesn't happen. >> no, i hate that it could be ever seen as political. our national anthem shouldn't be a political thing. >> absolutely not! democratic heavyweight nancy pelosi going after the media! really fake news, nance, after a new report that dozens of her house colleagues don't want her to continue as their leader. is she wrong when she suggests the press is out to get her? talk about that next. alright, i brought in new max protein

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>> nancy pelosi back in the headlines accusing the media of trying to undermine her prospects to be speaker of the house. this after nbc released a report showing a total of 51 democrats including nine incumbents running for re-election this november say they will not support pelosi for speaker if the democrats do take back the house. nancy pelosi asked about that on msnbc slamming its sister network. watch. >> first of all, let me just say this and i know nbc has been on a jag, this is one of their priorities to undermine my

prospects as speaker. but putting that aside, i have not asked one person for a vote. what's important is and i know better than anybody how important it is to win this election. i see up close and personal what the republicans and this president are doing. >> i don't know, steve, once you've lost nbc. >> next, tweeting about the fake news media and the failing "new york times." i think that this is so ridiculous. this is not exactly sort of deep investigative journalism by nbc here. like these are public statements that these candidates have made. of course, anyone can see that. what is she talking about? >> maybe she doesn't recognize what everyday americans feel about her. she's living in her bubble there. >> i love that you said that. that's such a great point that you made because they're so out of touch. i come from a long line of new york democrats. so out of touch with the union working class that hillary clinton needed to hire focus groups and consultants to come

up with the campaign slogan everyday americans which makes it sound like a wal-mart commercial. i mean, really? so they've won 16 of the last 24 years the democrats have controlled the white house. there's a warning shot coming from their democrat base saying wait a second, you're out of touch from their own candidates. their own elected officials saying nancy pelosi, you know, you're ruining -- you guys are out of touch, you're ruining it again. >> think about how donald trump was actually able to bring over some of those traditional blue collar democrats to his side of things. and i think he'll continue to do that if they have nancy pelosi in charge of things. >> that's why republicans are using nancy pelosi as a central figure in a lot of their campaign ads, they're pouring money into that message because she's that unpopular. she would like to claim it's the mainstream media conspiring against her, you know, perhaps borrowing a line from the president's playbook or somehow this implicit and institutional

sexism, but the point is people really don't like her. and they don't like where her policies are going to lead, and she says i'm worth the trouble. i raise a bunch of money. but at this point, people are looking around and going is it really worth it? to moderate democrats and ultra progressives, the answer is no. >> there are 11 candidates, i believe, for congress for the democratic ticket in my state of new hampshire when i grew up and every single one of them said they would not rubber stamp nancy pelosi. it doesn't fly right now. >> liability, at what point does the democratic party recognize that and establish people, time to step aside? >> i think there will be a move one way or the other to get rid of her. but i'm not sure that it will succeed because whatever else she is, she's a real machine when it comes to just control and power and the raw kind of elements of politics like that. that's why she's been there so long despite being so terrible in many ways. >> to your point, coastal elites

and these neuvo socialists that are very loud. often the loudest person in the room dominates. is nancy pelosi strong enough to push back on that? they've been coming on strong now, bernie sanders crowd right now. >> you keep losing elections. >> bernie sanders crowd and the tim ryans and people lake that in the democratic party who have actively campaigned against her. cortez was asked if she would support leader pelosi and she said no! >> more "outnumbered" in a moment. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring.

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>> arlen steven hilton is out with a new book called positive populism and this is a theme that you talk about so much on your show. and that's where government collides. >> exactly. it's growth of big business and government together, and the point of the book really is to say, we kind of heard this word of populism and people have a sense of what it's against. we are against the big state and a big business, we are against open borders. then i ask, what is populism for, what the positive agenda and what does populism mean? not just the issues that get talked about, but the things

that are important like reversing the terrible trend of family breakdown which i think because of so many problems. this is a list of ways in which we can give power back to people. >> the book is coming out very soon. thanks very much. we will take you to melissa francis who is upstairs, in," harris. >> peter strzok has been fired and his attorney is