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in hollywood sharing the christian faith. i have to share tomorrow otherwise i'll do what tucker doestu and that's to steal time. not your heart be troubled. the news continues. ingraham. i hit the post. tellll tucker how to hit the po. it's a radio thing. >>. hannity! >> sean: you have to think of something new, creative and original. >> laura: you're talking to me about the need to come up with new jokes? are you kidding me? you've been making that joke since 1997, ok? >> sean: you're out of that mind but with that -- >> laura: since 1997 you've been making that joke, ok? >> sean: do you have to get in trouble every week on the air? do you have to get in trouble every week? by thek way, look at my tie, can it be more crooked than it is right now? >> laura: only a man that's really filled with virility and
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testosterone could pull that one off, hannity, but you got it. that salmon color is looking really good. as fascinating as this is, i got to get to my show. >> sean: have a great show. we have a little talk to come soon this week. later.ll you about it >> laura: fantastic. thanks so much, great show. good evening, i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle." a lot of ground to cover and we will get through it together because disgruntled former employees are throwing in with the anti-trump lynch mob, but how effective are their mediaor tantrums? the updates on asked fbi agent peter strzok and outfit ousted white house aide am rosa are coming up. >> plus antifa went nuts yesterday talking about murdering the president. we will tell you about the left's stunning silence on the issue in just a moment. and a new poll about the democrats views on socialism. it should disturb the party and frankly all americans. but first, who is really
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dividing america? that's the focus of tonight's angle. last week the media hyped yesterday's unite the right to march.da a white supremacist gathering in washington. >> a large gathering of white supremacists in the nation's capital who will march for the same abhorrent reason that they marched aa year ago. >> white nationalist and biggest are expected to once again take to the streets, this time in front of the white house. >> as the white house pushes back on her allegations that the president is a racist, thousands of white nationals are preparing to demonstrate just outside the white house this weekend. >> laura: did he say thousands? despite all that the supremacists managed to turn out a whopping 20 protesters. they were far outnumbered by the members of the press whose news organizations t spent gobs of dough giving them free air time
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to the pathetic largely irrelevant band of racially-obsessed malcontent. have the media ever given this much pregame publicity to a march that actually turns out, i don't know, hundreds of thousands of protesters? most of them young? they often show up in bitter cold or freezing rain? like the annual march for life? i don't think so.li but that annual event is positive and life-affirming and respectful and attentive, as i said by mostly high school, college kids and it does notos advance the left's agenda. but the weekend's white supremacists circus has a possibility. the president rightly tweeted before the much ballhood white supremacist march in washington the following. he said the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulting in senseless death and division. we must come together as a nation. he wrote that he condemned all types of racism and acts of
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violence and he said peace to all americans. since trump rode down that shiny escalator to announce his candidacy, journalists have worked overtime to paint him as an avowed racist. every view he has for instance on law enforcement, standing for the national anthem, the travelf ban and of course on immigration, they all allege it's racially motivated. it can't possibly be that the president advances policies and ideas because he believes it's going to be good for americans, good for safety, good for the american worker. no. you add the tragic events of charlottesville a year ago and you had the media's backdropa going into this weekend's eat unite the right freak show. those sad 20 figures were swamped by over 1,000 counter protesters and some did carry signs that simply read kindness
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or love and that was heartening. but the real fireworks happened when these folks showed up. >> [inaudible] >> laura: that's basically a family affair. black lives matter in the domestic terrorists posing as protesters, a.k.a. antifa, were present and revealing the ugly underbelly of what could have been a powerful statement against true hate. instead, here's how cnn classified all the nonwhite supremacists as "anti-hate groups." huh. i don't know about you, but just like we all know what the vile hatred of racists sound like, we should all know what it sounds
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like when directed at a racially diverse police force who are standing there either in the heat or in the rain just trying to do their job on sunday. >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ indiscernible ] [ bleep ] >> laura: they wanted to get at where the 20 racial malcontents were. apparently protesters like to tear each other limb from limb and want the police to get out of the way. and if you happen to be driving a vehicle in the vicinity yesterday, this is black lives matters way of spreading love and peace. >> [inaudible]
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[ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> laura: if you guys have nothing to hide and they're on the side of right, anyone ask them why they're wearing masks to conceal their identity from law enforcement? you know why? because they destroy property and harass officers and throw projectiles at them and they just attack the innocent. this next video, this couple's crime, well, wearing trump t-shirts. >> go home! [bleep]! [bleep]! [bleep]! has to walk around with security and escorts because [ bleep ] because they think [ bleep ] nazis. >> laura: still the media coddle antifa and these leftist
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protesters largely because their anti-trump message aligns with the ones preflailing a lot of american news -- prevailing in a lot of the american newsrooms. but if they are going to cover for them rather than cover them, will the media now align themselves with this message too? [ chanting ] >> laura: at least they're rhyming. not that you will see or hear many of those images on other media, of course not.he even when these lunatics by the way to turn on journalists attacking reporters in the street, cutting the cord to their cameras as they did this weekend, the media, they want to look the other way. >> what's wrong with you? get that out of my face. >> [bleep]!of >> i got it.
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[ bleep ] >> laura: clever. this was posted by an nbc reporter on his twitter account. it shows his camera crew assaulted by these nut jobs. [ chanting ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> don't worry about this now. don't worry about d me. don't worry about him. >> laura: later when nbc went to coverage of this event with the same reporter, they omitted the fact that their own crew had been assaulted and thee showed no video of the incident. how curious. imagine if some conservative group had done that to a reporter, what they would have said. they get upset when the trump crowd screams to go home. the media are actively concealing the heinous actions of these fringe groups because they serve their ends.
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no matter the tactic, no matter the violence or mayhem, these groups are largely given a pass because they are brazenly, vociferously, consistently, vitriolically resisting trump. how ironic is it that just days ago "the boston globe" convinced more than 100 news organizations to blast the president for his verbal and written attacks on the media? not collusion or anything. they are set to release coordinated editorials and newspapers across the country later this week. yet when a group or groups actively attack them, the press, physically destroying their equipment, they scream vile things and threaten reporters, the media's silence is deafening it's fox news who is supporting
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the protection of journalists. i suppose the old saying is true, the enemy of my enemy is my friend no matter how awful and violent that friend may be. but if they continue to turn a blind eye to the hateful actiono of groups like antifa while exaggerating the importance of a handful of goofy racists craving attention, the question must be whose really fomenting division in america? the guys whose policies brought unemployment to record lows? whose fight to keep ms-13 out of already stressed areas? i don't think so. i think america is a lot smarter than the media think they are a and i think they see what real hate is and who was trying to solve rather than stoke problems. and that's "the angle." joining me now with action is national review columnist victor davis hampton. juan williams, cohost of "the five," and fox news contributor tammy bruce. quick reaction to the "angle"?
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juan? >> i think the heart and soul of what happened in terms of the coverage is that last year in charlottesville we saw the unite the right people come together and express not only hatred, intimidating folks, but kill somebody and as a result, when you have the unite the right now come back a year later for a rally in washington, d.c., and we see protesters turn out in greater numbers, nonetheless the press is going to pay attention to people who are there who organize to spread their hatred and in fact, as you point out, p in some cases it's not appropriate behavior by the antifascist crowd and the black lives matter crowd, but that's nowhere as big a story as what's going on in terms of that far fringe neo-nazi kkk group being empowered or emboldened to stand in public in front of the american white house and say that they believe in racial
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supremacy. i think it's contrary to our values as americans. >> t laura: well, of course the aclu, tammy, has supported nazis marching in skokie and racists have been protected. we have a first amendment. the most vile speech must be protected under our constitution. that's why we have a constitution. if it's just positive speech protected, what's it all mean? but nevertheless, it is such a small group of people. they have no influence in american society. they have no relevance and they are by everyone who matters overwhelming majority of the american people reviled. at the same time you have 1,000 people in washington? some were fine. i think some of what happened was fine, but there was a very strong element that expressed deeply disturbing sentiment and
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physically, physically were very aggressive. and i don't think there was much focus on that at all. >> there is actually two other stories here. the real story is that there were only 20 white racists at this event. that is remarkable. obviously someone unlocked their parents basement doors to let them out. any average american could get more people at their backyard barbecue with two hours notice and this is with the course 24/7 coverage by the media.rb they pumped up this weekend event. so that's the story, is that in this nation of the hundreds of millions of people, two dozen people show up with a white nationalist. the other part of that story is that this antifa, people perhaps have forgotten in early 2016 a report from politico later in that year noted that through interviews and secret documents that they found that barack obama's department of homeland security designated antifa as an acting
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domestic violence. that is significant as the federal government during obama's term was warning state and local officials that this is very dangerous coordinated behavior that they needed to really deal with seriously and now we fast forward to your "angle" where you've got the american media and particularly cnn calling it an anti-hate group, a group that barack obama's administration determined to be enacting domestic terrorism violence. so there is a disconnection here and i believe that the connection in fact is to force this false narrative of racial division in this country that is not as it portrayed to be, wear are not as divided as they say in that meeting this kind of division and hyping it as being major is what they are required to move their narrative. >> laura: a well, victor davis hanson, so many angles to get into this with you, but i felt
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bad for the police, because they're standing there -- we're going to get into this more with fuhrman and bonginono -- but they'rehi standing there. this is their job. they're just trying to keep the peace between two groups, one small and one very large and try to keep the peace.y you saw the video. we didn't play all the videos. we're going to play some in a few moments. >> i think the larger narrative is that we have reached a point in american society where the media really does believe that the noble aim of truth or justice or fairness requires almost any means necessary. t it's not just my view, sorenstein center in harvard says 80% to 90% of the press coverage was biased. we know the political donations go one way from another study. when you look at journalists in the past or in the obama administration, the wikileaks,t even the recent hiring of sarah jeong at "the new york times" despite her racist paper trail.
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you get this image and it's not mine, it's not yours. people who are very eloquent oni the liberal media side have said, jorge ramos, the editor of "new york times", jim ruttenberg at the "new york times" ithink even cristian amanpour that trump poses such a threat that the old traditional journalist at those should not require. >> laura: by any means necessary, by any means necessary. tom friedman, jorge ramos said we are in a different scenario. i know you've said some of this too. you finish up and then we will get to juan. >> one really quick point. what trump hasn't done, this is rhetoric. he's fought back at the media, what he calls fake news but he has not jailed to reporters like jfk did.d. he did not serve an associate reporter, the associated press reporters in a way obama did
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with james rosen at fox news. he didn't introduce a bill like the roosevelt allies in congress did called a liable bill to stifle opposition. he didn't do what hillary clinton did in 2008 when she tried to stop the hillary8 documentary. in the final tragedy is what's not being reported. we have the fourth highest member of the doj, bruce ohr, who was colluding with fusion gps after the election to undermine a president and my gosh we just had dianne feinstein admit that for 20 years her chauffeur was a spy for the chinese government and she's one of the ranking members on the senate intelligence committee. >> laura: beyond shocking. beyond shocking. >> extensive business in china and it's not news. people don't trust the media anymore and that's an empirical fact. >> laura: and they're hurting themselves, juan. this is my point, be aggressive, hold the president accountable. that's what they should do. i agree.gg
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but be fair.r. if you are going to cover hate, then cover everything about what happened. don't cherry pick a line or a scene. cover it, and be fair about it and what is happening with this antifa group where they are shutting down speech on college campuses, tammy is aware of it, so is victor. he's at a college on the west coast. it's outrageous that people's free speech are being intimidated and they're trying to shut down people with threats of violence or actual violence. and we are treating them like they are just -- they are just ambling about having a protest, no they are not. no borders, no walls, no usa at all. it really? what the heck does that mean? >> it seems to me you are off target here in a big way. to me, the big threat -- and you see this all through the opinion polls in america, people worried that trump is emboldening racist behavior, words and action in our country. we had a year ago charlottesville and we saw the
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kind of tiki torch madness that was not only antiblack andvi latino, but we saw them intimidating people in synagogues. you see what's going on in terms of the trump rallies, the hatred towards the media, the presss being called the enemy of the american people and instead you are saying but look at all these protests, look at some of these wacky people who are attracted to protest in america to any protest. that's not the story, laura. >> laura: juan, if you're worryied -- worried about the media telling jim acosta go home or cnn stinks or socks. -- sucks.as i said on this show that i don't like that. i didn't like it when it was done at the rally. i didn't like it -- but when journalists are physically attacked and they don't report it on their own network, something funny is going on. maybe i'm not the smartest person but come on! >> i know you very well.
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you'd be the first to say look at these self-centered reporters, all they want to do is report and talk about themselves and the fact that somebody bumped into them or push their camera. you don't really talk about the news of the day, which is that you have racists on the streets of washington. >> laura: we have to go, guys. heartbreak. we'll take a break and be right we'll take a break and be right back. too early... or too late. we'll take a break and be right back. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. whenshe was pregnant,ter failed, in-laws were coming, a little bit of water, it really- it rocked our world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. we're the baker's and we're usaa members for life.
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>> laura: the ridiculous white supremacist rally in d.c. over the weekend thankfully turned out to be a total dud. but what about those so-called counterprotesters? >> we are asking people what they would do if president trump were to show up at this march, some of the answers have been pretty stunning. >> if it came down to it and it was a group effort, we have to do him like qaddafi.i.n >> murder him for the people? >> laura: as you saw on the "angle," it's not just the president they are threatening.y antifa members shouted slurs and got physical with s the d.c. police. p joining me now for reaction to get an idea of how law enforcement is reacting to m all this chaos is former nypd and secret service officer dan bongino and former l.a.p.d. detective mark fuhrman. it's great to see both of you. mark, you might have heard what
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juan williams just said. we don't want any white supremacist out there, we don't want 20, you don't want 2,000, you don't want 200, but they do have a first amendment right and they are going to go out there just like the nazis can march and the kkk can march. not pleasant to see but it's the reality. the point that so many are making is that that's 20 and they are contained and they are irrelevant and they are hateful but then you have a lot of other stuff going on that's not really getting adequately aired. mark. >> of course it isn't, because it doesn't address their narrative, but when you look at these, i can't remember a legal protest for years and i mean years, five, six, seven years. the left breaks the law of the -- the moment they have a protest and i think this is a failure by everyone to addressing this a first amendment right. the first amendment has nothing to do with depriving other people of their rights,ig
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violating laws, attacking people, assaulting people and o vandalizing property and challenging officers. >> laura: mark, is it even allowed to go -- i didn't realize you can go a millimeter away from a police officer's face and shout horrible vile things and basically spittle is going insh the police officer's face. some of them have shield. but i didn't know -- i didn't even know you could do that. i thought you couldn't do anything like that. they just didn't want to push back because they didn't want any violence? >> i don't believe you can do that. once you make any kind of contact, bodily fluids, any kind of contact, challenge the officer to fight, any of these things, but you have to understand, this is inciting a riot. i think this is a complete failure of leadership. these poor officers, the rank and file are put up there like some kind of wall, a symbolic wall but they are doing their job and all they have to do is
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just stand there and take it, don't make contact, don't rock the boat, just stand there, we will do our jobs in these poor officers have to take this abuse. this is not the way it's supposed to go. once they commit a crime they should actually target that person, they should open up, they should move forward, arrest that person and keep moving. >> laura: dan, i'm sure the thought is, they do that and then it's all hell breaks loose and then you have utter chaos, the left gets what it wants. see? the police brutality! i think they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't. i think they did a great job over the weekend that there was as little violence, frankly, as there was. how'd the police feel in this situation? how did the secret service feel? you hear the kids threaten the president's life. they a weigh 120 pounds by the
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looks of them but they're threatening the president's life. >> they are. and i've been there. let's just be clear, let's just call it what it is. these are disgusting human filth bags. that's what these people are i know it's your show. you probably want to be more measured. i don't't really care. i was a cop. these are friends of mine. these f are dads. these are moms. these are people who go to work every dayho for a meager salaryn a job where there's a strong likelihood, laura, they could be killed defending your life. they're not perfect. they're sinners like everybody else but they commit to a higher purpose. your job and my job, that doesn't happen, we don't go to work every night that there's a pretty good likelihood i could be injured or killed tonight and what do they have to deal with? this disgusting human filth out there spitting in their faces and i was just talking before the segment saying i'm unbelievably salty tonight because i'm tired of this, the media coddling of who these people really are. anti-hate groups? these are the very essence of
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hate groups. these are violent confrontational aggressive people who spit in the face and scream out and confront police officers doing absolutely nothing wrong and ironically there to keep them safe as well. they are the worst among us, these people. >> laura: yeah, that brian set itler at cnn is a butte. he says the banner on cnn, anti-hate groups dramatically outnumber whited. supremacists n d.c. that's his tweet. then we have this msnbc commentator defending antifa. want you to watch. >> they there were some journalists who were attacked by street protesters and those protesters were also going after the police and didn't want to be on camera. they are believed to be part of antifa, what's your take on
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this? >> i didn't see it. i know one thing when i was in charlottesville -- >> there it is. >> there were a lot of differen' activists saying why are you in riot gear? there is a belief, i'm not saying it's always correct but there is a belief by many activists that the police passively support this kind of violence.up >> laura: where was the pushback on that? i'm not sure -- so the police are supporting violence against what, the journalists? you lose track of the narrative because it's so nonsensical. as if the police enjoy spending their sunday night dealing with this nightmare, whether it was last year or this year. mark? >> i'm going to tell you, going to tell you this and dan knows this too. at the last thing you want to do is be sitting in all that heavy riot gear waiting for a demonstration in the hot sun,ea waiting for them to actually do what you know they are going to do, they are going to violate the permit, they are going to violate the law, there are going to not disperse when they are told, they are not going to do what they are supposed to, what they already agreed to with the city officials. it happens time and time again s and then you have to stand
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there. unfortunately these officers don't get to do what we probably got to do. we have leaders that weren' actually there and they understood that once a crime is committed, one thing is thrown, game starts. that person will be pursued, the crowd will be dispersed, teargas will be actually ignited and sent into the crowd and everybody will be split up. it's their choice. they don't want a peaceful riot, they don't want a peaceful demonstration, that's the way it is. >> laura: dan, final thoughts? >> the worst-case scenario for a cop when i was with the nypd was getting that mobilization card where you got mobilized to go down to a riot. those comments you just heard about them wanting this violence are some of the most disgusting comments i've ever seen and -- in broadcasting. they should be ashamed and that
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person should never be allowed on television again. those are disgraceful.ul >> laura: guys, we need to do a whole hour just on the law enforcement aspect of all of this. m thank you so much for your input on this. next sean spicer versus the omarosa saga. don't miss it coming up.hi omarosa saga. don't miss it coming
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>> laura: talk about unhinged, fired trump eight omarosa is making all sorts of outrageous incendiary claims about the president, of course promoting her new book. she even released a secret recording or two of her conversation with the president just after she was fired. she better have a good lawyer. the president fired back athe wacky omarosa this morning calling her vicious but not that smart. so vicious is okay if you are smart. joining me now for reaction are chris hahn, radio host, former aide to senator chuck schumer and with me here in the studio, former white house press secretary sean spicer, author of the best seller the briefing.
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good to see you. let's start with you because he reminded me the last time you were on, one of the first times. >> right after the show launched. >> laura: yeah. i asked you what does omarosa do. w what'sd her job? >> and i said i don't know. >> laura: and that got a lot of publicity. speaking of the controversy i should say at first, mark burnett apparently called the president after the president waiting trying to say that there are no tapes of the apprenticeay where i used such a terrible and disgusting word as attributed by wacky and deranged omarosa. so she has gone from wacky omarosa to wacky and deranged omarosa. i don't have that word in my vocabulary, and never have. she made it up. look at her many recent quotes saying such wonderful and things about me until she got fired. she had zero credibility with the media.
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they didn't want interviews when she worked in the white house. now that she says that about me they will talk to her. fake news, spicer? >> agreed. she continues to make stuff up. she made some serious accusations about me and some other folks that have left the white house that are completely false and inflammatory. i think part of this is the president is right, one is what she has done, the disloyalty and the spreading of false information. she taped john kelly in the situation room. >> laura: i've been in the situation room and you are supposed to leave all phones and anything in that little area there. t >> and the idea -- my guess is they probably took her there because they thought there's no way anybody would violate security protocols like this and then clearly she did. but i think there's two issues. there is that in the second issue is the president brought up that these media outlets that no she is spreading falsehood to decry fake news are suddenly treating her like a celebrity and someone because she is attacking the president. >> laura: and, um, chris, how's this any different from
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michael wolfe? it's going back to my point in the "angle," the useful protesters, useful idiots, useful never-trumpers. useful omarosa. useful michael wolfe. it most of them have been discredited for one reason or another but they are useful for the by any means necessary remove trump approach to things. >> they are also emblematic of the president brought them into the white house, including michael wolfe who the president gave credit to he brought omarosa into the white house. he gave her a job.or their security protocols were so lax she could record things in the white house, including in the situation room. she saying things about her colleagues. you are saying you don't have a nondisclosure agreement, if you -- but do you have any agreement with the president? you've been treated pretty poorly and you've been very nice to him, i think, since you left the white house. there is a lot of dysfunction in
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the white house and omarosa is just pointing that out and weg are going to hear more and more tapes i think in the weeks -- days and weeks to come. >> laura: is there any dysfunction and omarosa herself? there's dysfunction in the white house, okay, but let's say that's true. let's take that as a given, there's dysfunction. there was lots of dysfunction is most white house is frankly,s whether you heard about it orer not in this case you can at least say we know what person without credibility sounds likea and acts like. >> the only reason we know omarosa's name is because of donald trump. so everything omarosa is and everything she will be is because of donald trump. he created omarosa. he created a monster. >>on laura: i agree. i agree with you. you've got to get in on this. why was she brought into the white house? >> she had been loyal and it surely will. >> laura: what was your experience in the executive branch?
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>> what i am saying -- >> laura: i know people who are loyalist for trump who literally volunteered for top positions -- it's not your decision, but literallydeer interviewed for top positions and they wouldn't even get a hearing by the white house personnel office. still won't get a hearing. drives me nuts. omarosa! >> still won't get a hearing. i will say this, she has been aa loyal person to the president. during the campaign she had been a huge cheerleader of his candidacy, his values, the results he was going to get. i do understand the president turns to somebody was been loyal. -- i would love to have economy -- have you come work for me. >> laura: so work for obama! >> i'm not here to defend her but i'm saying that the president rewarded her loyalty. >> laura: what was your experience? >> i will agree with chris on this. let me agree with you for a second. i agree she didn't have theid experience necessary to come in. the bottom line is that this is the kind of payback -- she is who she is because ofin donald trump and the only thing that he's gotten in return is disloyalty from her. >> laura: no. no. no. that's a given. i agree with you on all of that,
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i'm just saying don't bring in people to the white house who have literally zero experience for that position. whatever her position was. i guess she had some decision -- position. whatever her position was, i guess she had some position. she said this on hardball tonight. we're almost out of time, we got to watch this. >> if you have any other recordings he wouldn't share them here, do you have some? >> i have plenty. >> anything mueller would like to see? >> at his office calls again and they want i will share. anything they want i will certainly cooperate. >> do you think you should be impeached? >> at this point yes. >> laura: she's a legal expert as well. >> i just think the disloyalty and the breach of security are beyond the pale. >> laura: legal problems? >> i hope so. >> there has to be a reason so many people are taping conversations with the president and the people around him. you have to admit to that.ma there is suspicion about him.nt about how he relates to things. this is not the only tape, this is not the only breach of security.
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stuttering john got through tos air force one a couple of weeks ago. there are real issues. > laura: whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. what was the name of w the wacky couple that got into the white house, walked into the white house during the party from virginia? don't give me this garbage, chris, that the white house is all locked down during obama. they waltzed in, could have dona god knows what to obama and michelle. come on.n, i love having you want, but that -- i love having you on but that we're going to calll on you. chris and i agree on something to make him a wow. great segment, thanks. a great segment, thank you so much. the anti-trump texting fbi agent peter strzok finally got theou pink slip and that may be some very bad news for hillary clinton? wow, we will tell you why. may e very bad news for
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gave peter strzok on friday. the anti-trump texting agent was at the center of both the hillary clinton and russia investigation. mr. strzok has now joined twitter where he posted aa statement from his lawyerr claiming his firing was due to "political pressure. he also provided a link to a gofundme page where he is already raised, it's gone up from 80,000, it's already raised $139,704 of $150,000 goal, do you think you might get that? that was an 11 hours. joining us now for reaction, fox news contributor andy mccarthy. and retired fbi special agent bobby chacon, who knows a man at the fbi who had strzok fired. great to see both of you. let's start with you, bobby. a director, fbi director david bowditch is being hit and trashed by people saying he must be doing this under political pressure from trump. but let's look at his resume for a moment. let's put it up on the screen. he began his career as a police officer. he's a former fbi s.w.a.t. team
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member and sniper, already love him. oversaw nonwhite-collar crime investigations at fbi's san diego office. ran the l.a. field office, led the fbi response to san bernardino and of course now the deputy director of the fbi and tell us a little bit more. >>.27 years in the fbi, he was probably one of the best bosses i ever had. i worked for jim carlstrom in new york during those years and david bowditch ranks right up there with that. you won't find somebody within more integrity than dave and i always thought -- i worked directly for him here in l.a. and he spoke at my retirementor and i always thought if there was somebody that could steer the bureau through this that we are in right now it's dave. he did the right thing here, opt recommended a suspension, daveht saw that we need to have a change for better or worse, we
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need to get rid of these people that were in those positions and did these things and i think he did this for the betterment of the fbi. i think pure and simple strzok needed to be punished for his actions but i think overall he did this because overall is an institution the institution has to be bigger than any of us individuals and i think he saw that and he made the decision a that this is the best course of action for the fbi going forward. >> laura: ok. candice will, andy, was the person in charge of the professional responsibility office at doj. she initially decided that he should only get a 60 day suspension, which was some punishment. in her resume as the following. deputy chief of the doj general litigation criminal division under mueller. assistant counsel and the doj office of professional responsibility. assistant director of office of professional responsibility, again appointed by mueller. that's neither here nor there but she was appointed twice by mueller with very senior
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positions within the fbi. so again, some people are saying because of the way the investigation has gone she was not going to throw the book at peter strzok. if you a point earlier about the ig, the inspector general didn't find the behavior that some of us probably thought he should have found on the part of peter strzok. >> the thing is i don't agree with the inspector general's p assessment. what the inspector general found was that while the texts were very troubling, that no particular decision could he conclude was driven by bias. i didn't agree with that, but it doesn't matter what i think. that's what he says in the fbi more importantly embraced that decision. my only point here is i agree with bobby about the need to turn the page at the fbi, but i do think that this kind of stuff doesn't get decided on people's
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resumes, it gets decided on here is the grounds on which we fired him and here's the evidence backing it up. remember when andy mccabe got fired, they explicitly found three charges of lack of candor. they backed it up with a lot of evidence and it turned out that the decision was consistent all the way through. here i'm not saying that this is indefensible because i don't think there is. o i think we could find ten good reasons to fire him. t >> laura: the august 8th, 2016, text message to lisa page. where he said we are not going to let that happen. she gets worried that -- we are not going to let that happen. what does that mean?oi i know the inspector general didn't -- he didn't say you can't show a decision he made, m but i don't see how that is in any way we are not going to let that happen. it wasn't saying i don't like trump, that's one thing. we are not going to let that't happen is a collective description of something the two of them could possibly do together in their positions.
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that's the only way you can read that. >> and i think his testimony in that was not credible. my only point is you have to articulate the reason why you are firing him and if you don't, what they're going to say ishe it's due to political pressure.r >> laura: they're arguing that trump talked to sessions, and sessions talked to bowditch, this is what his lawyer's arguing. we will see how it all plays out. thanks so much tonight. the democrats love affair with socialism growing. we will reveal the results of a shocking new poll that should concern democrats everywhere. next. poll that should poll that should concern democrats everywhere. i am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. enterprise car sales and you'll take any trade-in?rom that's right! great! here you go...
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>> you don't think capitalist is bad people? >> i am a capitalist. i believe in markets. what i don't believe in is theft. >> were public one of the thingv -- republicans say one of the things statistics show is that democratic socialism is sending in your party, are they right about that? >> no. i don't accept any characterization of our party presented by the republicans. so let me reject that right now. >> laura: well, a new poll from gallup shows that socialists are no longer just a fringe group in the party, contrary to what you
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heard from nancy just there. currently 57% of democrats have a positive view of socialism compared to just 47% will hold a positive view of capitalism. three cheers for public education.ve just two years ago 56% of democrats looked at capitalismli favorably. us republicans, 71% like capitalism compared to 16% whons hold a positive view of socialism. who are those 16%? joining us now, former top advisor to bill and hillary clinton and david bernstein. the ceo and founder of a run for america.to mark, this is kind of wild. this is a little bit different from bill clinton's third way and understanding the old rust belt and arkansas and middle america. now we are positive towardrd socialism, what's going on? >> i ran a poll in january that i asked people to choose between capitalism and socialism, 85-15. but i'm worried about millennials.
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frankly it was 20, 25% of millennials favorite socialism over over capitalism. you see this because i think bernie sanders has sort of presented socialism as something benign and nice. >>m laura: often in ever ends up getting killed, right? >> killed or poor or economically disenfranchised. so it's very dangerous to the extent that people who really grow up with the 2009 crisis, you look at people who are 21 now, they only know the 2009 crisis. capitalism is making a big comeback now. this is actually a bad time to be a socialism because i capitalism is reducing poverty and creating more jobs in the african-american and latino communities. >> laura: and, david, you actually think embracing socialism is not a bad thing, and that, in fact, it can work fairly well for the democrats, explain. >> i think we should be clear about what we are talking about here. when we talk about socialism. we are not necessarily talking about the textbook definition of socialism, we are talking about what people see in the message
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of bernie sanders and the message of someone like alexandra ocasio-cortez, which is basically saying we should have a more fair system and this is a generation of people whoic have grown up seeing the results of a system that has not been in their favor. this is a generation that has seen institutional failures of capitalism over and over again. so it shouldn't be surprising that when our leaders have failed on such a broad-based level that people are looking to see maybe there could be something different here. and to be clear, this is not people saying we want to turn the united states into a socialist country, they are changing their view and saying maybe there is something to this idea of looking differently atso how we do things. that's very different fromom saying -- >> laura: i get that. i actually understand that, because if you grew up and all you saw was like 2009 and the floor fell out and everyone lost all this money, i get that that is really unsettling.
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however, what trump is doing now, it's really working for a lot of people. people get out of manhattan and get out of where the rent is like 2500 for a studio apartment and actually talk to real people in real america, confidence, optimism, opportunities, entrepreneurship is up, up, up, but you wouldn't know that by listening to nt for saying no borders, no walls, no usa at all.l. that's kind of where they are. but i have to say when you look at the real clear politics average today.it it just a snapshot, but it's 3.9% generic ballot lead now for the democrats. again, could go up, could go down but july 12th it was 8% lead. earlier this year it was a 14% lead. i don't think the socialism talks helps democrats anywhere may be brooklyn and queens. >> really the sanders camp all went down in the primary. i don't think the rank-and-file democratic voters have turned socialist. and remember, the voters who the democrats really need, the people in the heartland from
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indiana to pennsylvania, theyll turned to trump for capitalism, not for socialism. we need to win those voters back with an economic growth strategy, not a socialist strategy. >> laura: jason is your economic situation better? we got about 15 seconds. is it better or worse than five years ago? david, excuse me.at >> i think the reality is that for a lot of people in this country it is not better, it has not gotten better for people as they look at their future over the long-term, people in this generation are hurting a tremendous amount and they haven't been helped by this president's policies. >>n' laura: all right, well it's less than two years so give it a little chance see if it doesn't work out a little bit better than perhaps the last five years before that. we'll be right back. with uncontrolled moderate-to-severe eczema,
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wonderful viewers. that's all the time we have for the night. ed henry is in for shannon in new york. mr. henry and the "fox news @ night" team take things from here. ed..... >> ed: wonderful show. always great to see you. we do have a great show. >> ed: we begin tonight with a fox news alert. ox news alert. >> new problems for him rosa about to be revealed this hour. an exclusive, the trump 20/20 campaign, about to break some news in the book, the donald trump used a racial slur. not only is that false but she is going to reveal new information that could poke more holes in the story, information you will only here on this show. another high profile firing in washington today. the fbi agent at the center of the trump text messages, is fire.
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