starting to ask the fundamental question, hooters government work for? and boy, has become even clearer over the last year and a half. >> sean: 83 days, an important election. let not your heart be troubled. let not your heart be troubled. i went two seconds over. i like tucker. >> laura: i would love to chitchat but i am packed. we do have a great show. laura ingraham. >> laura: all right, hanni-tie hanni-tie. i am laura ingraham from washington, d.c. welcome to "the ingraham angle." we have a riveting show. would you like anything else? president trump has revoked john brennan's security clearance of the media is in a complete freak out. we also an exclusive with lindsey graham with his controversial idea on how to clean up the fbi. raymond arroyo will be here with a hollywood example of false me

to allegations and some alter credible ones out of pennsylvania. but first, the media versus drum. that is the focus of tonight's "angle" ." remember when it was bad for local media to convey coordinated messages over the airwaves? you know, like when sinclair media asked local anchors at their stations to read the same promo scripts to describe their newscasts, they were derided by legacy media as orwellian, soviet style propaganda, so it created local. oh, the outreach. >> the idea there, all these anchors come all these markets, that were required to read these scripts, attacking state news. >> if you are centralizing a political message to however many, more than 200 stations i think it will be if they get the ftc approval for this, to 200

stations, you have one of the great political must think messaging machines in the world. >> laura: it was an abuse of the media for sinclair to air these homogenized promos to local markets. but with a legacy media coordinate messages across local markets, it is apparently no problem at all. tomorrow, over 350 papers organized by "the boston globe" will print coordinated editorials to denounce the president for his fake news comments and media trash talk. sounds like one of the great political messaging machines and the entire world, if you ask me. marjorie prichard at "the boston globe" told cnn, "we have some big newspapers but the majority are smaller markets. all are enthusiastic of standing up to the terms assault on journalism." what we are witnessing is the fall on politicization of the media. as steve bannon once had come in the media have become the

opposition party and that is a pity. i think it is ever disastrous g of the electric in 2016 company have obsessively worked to prove themselves right. in other words, on just about every issue, they painted the most insidious portrait possible of the president in order that later on they can say, see, we told you so, we were right. i think it is also utterly predictable. the better the economy gets, the more confident of the american are about their future, that more frantic than ever trump press becomes. it's a perverse, inverse relationship. i've noticed something else. the more popular trump becomes a among african-americans -- his numbers are as high as 36%, according to rasmussen -- the more desperate the scribblers are to draw him as a racist and of course they throw in xena phobic and misogynistic for good measure. rather than cover how american lives are being transformed due

to a booming economy, record-breaking employment figures, the media focus on self-created controversies like fabricated dossier claims. what was in the dossier was a spelled out, detailed allegations there was a mutual operation underway here. that there was collaboration and coordination between the trump campaign and the russians. >> the day it began with clips of jacob become a former fbi director, all of her televisions that he cannot roll out infamous pee tape mentioned in the steele dossier. >> listen, that is exactly what mueller is looking at. one of the things. we'll find out. >> laura: false, and one of my personal faves that the media's obsessed on, the breathless melania is m.i.a. speculation. >> one thing of the president of the white house have been quite quiet about is melania trump and her status. his biggest ankle had to the

white house seems first lady melania trump. the public hasn't seen her in 23 days. many wondering where she might be. >> of the first lady or the person standing in for the first lady disappears, you want to know where she is. >> laura: the first lady was recovering from a fairly serious surgery. by the way come a lot of these journalists take up two weeks for a colonoscopy. now we are caught up in the omarosa obsession. that is wall-to-wall coverage of a woman lacking credibility, pushing specious claims complete with surreptitiously reported audio snippets. >> can you stand at the podium and guaranteed to the american people they will never hear donald trump alter the n-word on a recording in any context? >> we already know that this president seems immune from even the broadest standards of decency, we've had, in the past. another tape wouldn't change anything. >> people are prepared to believe a lot of the things that she is a saying about him and at

least a couple of things have looked like they might be true based on some of these tapes. >> laura: a couple of things look like they might be true. [laughs] omarosa is a stream of charges have been refuted by nearly every party she quotes in her book. frank luntz, katrina pierson, and lynne patton, her closest confidant on the white house on our show last night. they all disputer claims. the president says the producer of "the apprentice," mark burnett, denies there is any tapes. but still, the media happily gives omarosa hours and hours and hours of your time. i think in their warped thinking, the woman in america considers to be the ultimate mean girl helps advance the narrative for the media that trump is a racist. but once again, i think the media are misreading the american people. here's the latest data. according to an npr-pbs news hour merit poll, 71% of americans have not very much or no confidence at all in the media, compared to just 25%, however great deal of confidence, or quite a lot.

but the amazing thing is, the media don't seem to care about what the consumers of news are shouting at them. the ratings and readership are down, whatever, we have a mission, that is to get trump. most of completely abandoned the idea of objectivity and are now essentially operating as full-time members of the resistance. so now that we've established all that, what lessons can the white house take from all this? i realize it's tempting to swing at every pitch. but let's be real here. as trump proved in the election, the media just aren't that influential anymore. so the president needed and feel like he has to respond to their every utterance regardless of rubbish it of my fishes that i. combine the media's arrival into the democrats' an visible and the presidents i think is a pretty sweet opportunity to actually expand his base before november. a lot of people are shaking

their head, how can they be. he will be on the stump and critical races before november but i think it should also take the time to visit places that republicans have often ignored. mr. president, your agenda is working, so sell it everywhere. and listen to the people who are being fed a load of malarkey about what is in your heart and mind and show them what is really in your heart and mind. and yes, that means doing events exclusively for african-americans and latinos, including and distressed communities, places like chicago, where democratic leaders have failed abysmally. show them a better alternative and celebrate the gains you have already won for them and all americans. too many republicans never understand that you often won respect for just showing up. but of course, i don't expect the editorial writers to give you any credit for any outreach like that. in a way, who cares.

no one is reading them anyway. and that's "the angle" ." joining me now for reaction as dave bossi, a fox news contributor or served as deputy manager of trump's campaign and richard goodstein, former advisor to bill and hillary clinton. richard. >> bertie want to start first? the media or omarosa? let me talk about omarosa for a second. you would like to think, trump said, i will hire the best people, these people would be experienced, have great ideas, really work hard, and work for the american people, instead, what he revealed was, the people that he keeps on are people who say good things about him who he later refers to as "dogs and lowlifes," and the problem with that, what does that say to foreign leaders? he doesn't just talk in a vacuum. people actually are kind of watching what he is saying and it just kind of -- and michael cohen, omarosa, god knows who else, or taping conversations with trump. what does that say about the kind of relationships, even his closest advisors have towards

him and what trust they have towards him? that's a problem. it's not what is on the tape, it is what his reaction to the tapes say about him. >> laura: what do you think susan rice's performance and all day sunday shows after brent because he? what are that's it? she would go out and lie -- you want to talk about qualified people? spying on americans and unmasking people. you want to talk about qualified? she should never have been promoted to the u.n. after she went out and lied to the american public! she was not qualified or she was lying! >> let me answer your question -- >> laura: omarosa should never have been hired. i agree. >> you would have had her head. >> laura: please. a goofy video causes a benghazi attack? is ridiculous. terrorism, everyone knew it was terrorism. >> obama had his share of bad folks working in his white hous white house.

omarosa's big question for me, the big question about omarosa's, not just what she has on tape that she's released, but what she has that she hasn't released. i think i would call for a congressional investigation into how she did this. did she use her personal phone? did you use a white house phone? was a secured from a not secured? where their enemies of this country who had access or could gain access to those recordings? this is a very dangerous precedent to be recording inside the situation room in the white house and congress' oversight, in my opinion, this is a must do investigation. >> it's rare -- of course, i agree with david 100%. >> laura: you're right. she never should have been hired. it's because there's a presidential records. she did she says bond to a subpoena? was a presidential records. >> laura: i like -- politico reviewed the tapes and they said, the tapes she provided, and they said, they are kind of juicy, nothing about the president or his family. she was out there, "i'm omarosa, i'm going to tape you -- i never trust people who taped conversations or who write

memos. jim comey, omarosa, end of story. memos -- let's talk about john brennan. everyone is hot and bothered about him. richard, this is what john brennan said today about what trump could be trying to do with the russians at the russian's behest. let's watch. >> i'm very concerned about the principle here. i'm very concerned about what this might portend in terms of the implications of other clearances, and this is something that i believe that the press needs to shine a very bright spotlight on, make sure that this abuse -- that's what i consider it -- an abuse of power by mr. trump, does not go without very close review. and challenge. >> laura: he mentioned about the rest -- so he's talking about the security clearance there. trump has the unilateral authority to revoke his security clearance. right, he does. john brennan will be compromised and whatever he does, and his life from this point on, by not having a security clearance? no. he worked for presidents of both

parties for decades, he was a resource that he would not be able to give the united states. the problem with pulling a security clearance is he's basically saying, you talk against me, and you will get -- our first amendment rights to free speech and free press, that is what all this -- that is what we are talking about in the segment -- >> there are plenty of folks out in this country who are critical of this president, that the president out doesn't have a problem with about whatever they say. but you can't be the leader of the resistant movement, the group of americans that hate this country and this president, and still hold a security clearance. >> you can, if you know what he knows about with the threats are from a broad, he should be scared to death. >> he's a political hack. nothing more or less, a political hack who should be chairman of the dnc, not -- >> laura: how can you tell the difference between john brennan and any host on msnbc? nicole wallace had him on today and she asked him, do you think that trump could be beholden to

a third-party other than the american people? and he's like, well, it could be the russians but i don't know, and i don't know -- he was like saying, "i don't know, i don't know, i don't know." it was the most rank speculation from a former cia chief! it's just wrong. it is wrong. >> i think he knows a lot more than -- >> laura: no, no, he doesn't. listen to what nicole wallace try to get him to say. he was like, "it could be but i don't know anything but mueller is looking into that" brady had a big nothing. i'm telling you. it was hilarious. i was watching it with a producer, i was like, what the heck did he just say? it didn't make any sense. it's like -- she's a pond in. it's fine. >> you don't need a security clearance to be a pond and prayed to be when you know what i think, aside from brennan, all these security clearances should be temporary. they should be -- >> peter strzok still has his security clearance. >> laura: peter strzok still has his whole security clearance. >> that's what i understand. >> that's what i heard as well

tonight. >> the president needs to go down that long list of folks who are out there across this country leading the resistance movement as enemy, in my opinion, what they have done is damaged this country's national security. >> my answer to that is, you have people like omarosa telling the federal government, people like john brennan who have worked for decades, for multiple presidents come he worked for bush, reagan -- come on -- >> laura: during 9/11. >> my point is, he's a resource, if you want to say you are cut loose, that is the price the country pays. it's not a price he's paying parades because we are grateful for her service and i'm glad he's gone. >> laura: i think you should have to reapply for security clearances. why should it be never ending? it's a total scam. >> i'm glad the president stood up for the process of our national security today and took at. >> laura: he should go down the whole list. it's not an enemy list, it -- you've moved on to something else. >> the problem was, it looks like an enemy list. michael flynn, i think, still has security clearance, right? he has confessed to a felony!

>> when you are the leader of the resistance movement in the country, people in the streets being violent and burning down buildings -- >> laura: got to believe the antifa people pray they don't like brennan but for now he's as a friend. antifa -- >> that is his -- exactly. the fact that he can't do that shows that it is -- >> he did one today. >> laura: don't tease us. we got to get more. we still have a few more days in the week. guys, thank you so much. in the intelligence community's generally apolitical but brennan has been one of the president's harshest critics, regular making appearances, sounding more like a far left fondant and a former spy chief. joining me now, someone who has been very critical of brennan, republican ron desantis, the republican nominee in florida's gubernatorial contest. is it fair to revoke a security clearance? john brennan, the list of jobs he's had for the government, and he is just trying to protect the

united states, don't you see, from perpetual russian interference, from the pulpit known as our current president. i meant to but that is basically what he said today. >> of course, he is just the great public servant. please, first of all, he shouldn't have a security clearance, even if he did do a good japanese. if he had been apolitical, but his conduct has been a joke. it's damaged the intelligence committee. community. his tenure as national security chief and ncaa was very unproductive and disastrous, he did not do a good job identifying isis as a rising president of course wasn't somebody helping to facilitate the disastrous deal with iran, so his performance wasn't good. i don't think he would be a guy you would even want to get advice from, even if he wasn't such a partisan hack, but the fact that he launches those wild accusations on twitter, it's just not conduct becoming of somebody who has been in those high positions. >> laura: i have to say, a short while ago on -- this was

on cnn, anderson cooper -- interviewed michael hayden about all of this, and he had this to say about brennan's effectiveness. >> it was personal and it was vindictive and frankly, i think it was an overall judgment that john was being somewhat effective. the white house just messaged the entire american intelligence community. if you stand up and say things that upset the president or with which he disagrees, he will punish you. speed when i first thought he was in a prison there. they actually sent a camera crew to dulles airport, he is on the way to vacation. that is how important it was to cnn. but he said it is a sign that he was being somewhat effective. at what? undermining the president? he lied -- they had dianne feinstein, the cia spied on a senate committee, the computers of a senate committee, he lied about it. he should not have a security clearance just for that fact! wears dianne feinstein when you

need her help? >> i know. the thing is, the idea that the intelligence community, you are sending a role to them, it's not the role of the intelligence community to be launching political attacks, many of them are professional but the idea that you are an activist as an intelligence official, it is not the type of intelligence that we want to. we want people who are apolitical, and obviously, we have seen in the fall out of this russia thing, when you have people like brennan, when you have people like peter strzok, would you have people like andrew mccabe, who are behaving politically, that really distorts some of the powers that -- the use of some of the powers of the government has played >> laura: on a separate issue, today governor andrew cuomo from new york made a comment that made me stop in my tracks. as part of the democrats, i think i'm a desire to turn out the vote, get people registered, oh, my god, -- they are freaking out because they see the economy rising so high and they still have to create a sense of panic. but this is what he said. let's watch. >> we are not going to make

america great again. it was never that great. we have not reached create gre. we will reach greatness when every american is fully engaged. >> laura: the president just tweeted out, "can you believe that this is the governor of the highest taxed date of the united states, andrew cuomo having a total meltdown." he just literally tweeted that. your reaction to that? he tried to clarify, he apologized, congressman, your reaction, really quick. think it was just absurd. some of the great things of the united states have done, we've done things that no other country has done. i think the country is a great country, i think we are in the right track now more there we were the last eight years. new yorkers on the wrong track and people are playing his date because of his bad policy. >> laura: congressman, thanks so much. the fbi investigated

hillary clinton and president trump's campaign but he was going to investigate the fbi? republican senator lindsey graham has a bold idea and he joined his next with details. this wi-fi is fast.

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intel community. now keep members of the senate are ramping up their own efforts to do so. fox news correspondent kristin fisher is here on that but she begins with more detail on the brennan affair today. kristin? >> hey, laura. president trump has been threatening to do this for weeks but few thought he would actually do it, even house speaker paul ryan initially did mr. do people. today, he did it. president trump revoke the security clearance a former cia director john brennan. now democrats, they have been using words like nixonian, illegal, a gross abuse of power. by the white house press ticket terry says the president is well within its constitutional to do it. >> mr. brennan has leveraged his status as a former high-ranking official with access to high information to make a series of outrageous and unfounded allegations, outburst on the internet and on the television about this administration. >> it may be only the beginning.

the white house as its it is considering taking similar action against people like james comey, and susan rice. here you have the white house potentially going after the security clearances of several former top national security and law enforcement officials. at the same time, you have republican senator lindsey graham urging action against the entire justice department. he wants a special counsel to investigate why a dod official, bruce ohr, was allowed to investigate then candidate trumr the opposition research firm that produced that now infamous dossier. >> these investigations against trump were corrupt to the core, they gave quentin a pass. bruce ohr was at least unethical. we need a special counsel to look at all things department of justice and fbi when it came to the trump investigation, particularly the counterintelligence investigation. >> i should mention that bruce ohr was one of the people that the white house press secretary said was on the list of people that they are considering to

potentially revoke a security clearance. laura? >> laura: think so much. lo and behold, here -- do you see him? lindsey graham. >> i agree with every word. >> laura: i don't know about that. [laughter] tell us about brennan. you are on board with this idea? i think you are one of the people who thought it was a good idea. >> here's what i think. you can be the former cia director and a critic of the president, you just can't leave the resistance movement of the same time. you look at cia policy about how a former director should act, he is well over the line. >> laura: they have a policy ab. >> laura: he had a history of lying, the senate investigates -- on that, what he did with his senate staff, they were spying on the computers, they lied about it, dianne feinstein found out about it. >> this administration didn't share anything with him, he really thinks trump is worse than any enemy we have, so i think the way that he's carried

himself hurts the intelligence committee. >> laura: let's talk about your idea for a special counsel to investigate the justice department. how would that work and what are your grounds? >> number one, i'm tired of getting on tv and tell everybody the bad things. i want somebody is not a politician. let's put the shoe on the other foot. what do you think the democrats would be saying if a republican -- of the rnc hired a former british agent to go to russia to get dirt on clinton? do you think they would be wanting to look at whether or not there was a crime, if a fisa it warrant was issued based on document that is a bunch of political garbage? i'm tired of telling everybody in the country how bad this is. have somebody to do for the fbi and the fisa warrant process what mueller is doing for trump. >> laura: what would it entail and who is subject to this review -- you can't investigate the whole fbi. there is a core within the fbi, bruce ohr, the fact -- does he still have a security clearance? i guess he does. >> the email investigation was a

joke. >> laura: from the beginning. >> they were in the tank. they had a bias against trump and for clinton at nephew had done what she had done, we would not be talking. >> laura: would you still be a member? >> i would be court-martialed. people sitting in jail, i want somebody to look at how the content email investigation was conducted, wide was dismissed, and the fisa warrant. every american should be concerned about the rule of law and i think the fisa warrant process was horribly abused and may be in a criminal fashion. >> laura: could the judges who were sitting and reviewing that application for the search warrant, for the wiretap of carter page, is there any process within the fisa courts to review that again? if i were the judge, and they didn't tell me that the opposition candidate -- not just an opposition -- but the candidate paid for that dossier, which was a critical part, if not the most critical part. >> there's a footnote in there that is a reference that this guy may have political motives.

they never told the court -- >> laura: of course not. >> he was on the payroll of the dnc. >> laura: what about the judge? judges? >> i would be really upset. >> laura: there is no way to go back and on wiretap somebody but there should be some sanctions, they should be an ability to issue sanctions against of the justice department officials, who signed up on this. >> somebody have to watch those who watch us. mr. horwitz is a good guy but he doesn't have the power of a prosecutor. the corruption of the department of justice and the fbi regarding the clinton email investigation, the early stages of the trump-russia investigation were corrupt to the core and i think somebody needs to look at it outside of politics, mr. rosenstein is watching, what more has to happen for you to by outside your organization needs to look to make sure that we clean up the mess? >> laura: james clapper tonight said our discussion of this, the constant criticism of fbi and intel is undermining

those hallowed institutions. let's watch. >> i spent a good part of my life, 50 plus years, 34 of it in the military defending this country and its values and standards and institutions. which i feel, as do the others involved here, are under serious assault. this is going to get worse before it gets better. i predict. >> laura: so it's trump's fault or republicans fault for questioning how this whole investigation, how the special counsel was appointed, comey set up with the whole thing -- i mean, you can't -- if you question it, you are undermining the authority or integrity. what about the integrity undermined by them? >> not one democrat seems to be concerned that the people in charge of the clinton email investigation clearly were in the tank for clinton and hated trump. nobody seems to be concerned that a political document prepared by political party using a foreign agent to go to a foreign country to get information on a political

candidate was used to get a warrant, nobody seems to be concerned about it. i have been in the military for 33 years. i love the fbi, i'm very concerned about what i have seen. >> laura: senator , birthed tourism, the president hasn't talked all that much about it, he did in the campaign. it's become a huge problem in this country, ads in russia, china, "we'll get you a u.s. passport, come here, have a baby, we'll find you a doctor, we'll get you a passport, bingo, it's done." how does this get turned around? >> i think you need to change the laws. if you go to france and have a child, you are not a french citizen. people abuse our laws. they actually get tourist visas close to the delivery date, they come to a resort with a maternity ward just to have the child in america. >> laura: we want to have you back to get into that further because i think it is a massive, massive scandal. thank you so much to my senator graham. the pc mob is tearing apart a new tv show title while the catholic church under fire after a, horrific report on abuse in

pennsylvania. that in our "seen and unseen" segment with raymond arroyo nex next. keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424.

>> laura: time now for our "seen and unseen" segment, where we expose what's behind the big cultural stories of the day. ♪ first, in this show on bravo has the pc crowd have sobered up, they are about to smash their screens and rage. i'll tell you. for more, we are joined by fox news contributor, "new york times" best-selling author of the wheel while wilder series, raymond arroyo. tell us about this new jerry connell talk show. why's it had also offensive? >> jerry o'connell, the film star, is a fan of bravo programming. >> laura: does he have a show on bravo? >> he will. it's called "real men watch bravo," except there was a huge reaction to that. they said the title is misogynistic, homophobic, i don't quite understand how it's homophobic but nonetheless,

jerry o'connell and the producers of the show decided we are changing the title and jerry came out to explain why. >> we change the title of the show, it's no longer the after mentioned titles, it is now called "bravo's play-by-play" and it's basically a panel of three of us and we sort of break down everything that happened that week on bravo. it is sort of like a "sportscenter" for bravo highlights. >> bravo, it saved my marriage with my wife. it's our passion. it's what we talked about. >> i have news for jerry. then, real or otherwise, are not going to watch the "shahs of sunset" if there is a ball being thrown -- >> laura: that's misogynistic. >> men like some programming, women like other. >> laura: i like jerry o'connell. >> it is like trying to get men

to watch hallmark. >> laura: lifetime tv, there is always a woman pushing a man down the stairs or vice versa. someone is always getting pushed down the stairs. >> and women aren't watching that either. >> laura: real men don't watch bravo. >> remember earlier this summer, we talked about chris hardwick, the host of amc's "walking dead." he was removed from that show and his other talk show pulled from a schedule because of abuse allegations made against him by a former girlfriend. i am did a thorough review, this week, they were turned him from metaphorical dead to host "talking dead," and was an emotional return. >> i want to thank you, the "walking dead" community, for all the support to these last couple months for the show was not just a job to me, this is a vital part of my life, you know, and this has been a sanctuary these last seven years we've been here, this has been with me through good times and bad times and i have so much gratitude to you, the fans, and i have said the following words a million

times, countless times, and i have never been more thankful that i am in this very moment to say to you, that i am chris hardwick and this is "talking dead." [cheers and applause] >> so what you're seeing here is a man who saw his career flash before his eyes. this was handled the right way. they did dismiss him from the show, they pulled the show from the schedule but after a quick investigation, they returned him back afraid >> laura: everyone -- >> the allegations were not true. >> laura: not everyone who is accused is guilty. that's a problem with some of these 20-year-old allegations. some of them are, some of them aren't. >> the me too movement rush to judgment, i worry about it. >> laura: i confess, i have never heard about him. >> now you have. >> laura: by the way, from false allegations of abuse come up to all to real ones. you've covered the vatican for decades. tell us about this grand jury report. you and i are both catholics. >> be a part of this graphic, we are talking about 300 -- what

the grand jury calls predator priests exposed in this report. over 1,000 child victims. these cases spanned 70 years, from 1947 to the present. >> laura: how was it all coming out now? >> the grand jury was charged with looking at all the denominations in pennsylvania and doing a report and investigation. they decided to focus only on the catholic church but i don't quite understand come up when you look across denominations, there's kind of an equal -- >> laura: public schools. >> the protestant church -- >> laura: locker rooms. because of that aside. this shows a disregard for victims, a callousness toward what these victims were going through, they covered up these offenses, they had them, they reassigned, putting markets in danger, this is unconscionable. cardinal world was mentored and thus, a bishop of pittsburgh, he was interviewed this past week about his predecessor or successor -- predecessor, rathe rather, cardinal mccarrick, and they asked him, is this a crisis in the church? was observed what he said.

>> i don't think this is a massive, massive crisis. it was a terrible disappointmen disappointment, for all of us, for you, for me. so we are saying now, well, what do we do in the future? if somebody wants to say something about a bishop, they have a place to go. >> let me ask another question. i think something that is emerging from all of this is the terror of bishops before bishops. i think that is something that has to be addressed, how bishops care for their brother bishops, cardinals from their brother cardinals. >> laura: that is a vatican consultant on communications, worrying about bishops to bishops. what about the victims? here's what needs to happen, laura. we needed an independent, lay run, forensic audit, a financial audit, of every diocese in the united states, and maybe the world, and then you need a late panel, and power by the vatican of prosecutors, independent prosecutors, with canonical officials, cardinals, to investigate every diocese.

they should make canonical referrals as well as criminal referrals. clean house. >> laura: every last bishop and cardinal who knew about this, transferred people -- >> were a part of this. >> laura: i don't understand how the cardinal mahoney is still rolling about the rest post where there's a lot of people out there. because there's a lot of questions -- >> laura: and wuerl saying this is not a crisis -- what? what are you talking about? what do you mean -- we got to explain this to our children, and this got to be get cleaned up. i'm livid about this place because this is as bad as i have seen it in 20 years. >> laura: raymond, thank you. one of america's most celebrated black athletes is now comparing the national anthem, get this -- two songs of slavery? details after this. bass pro shops and cabela's

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had to sing their oppressors' feel-good songs. currently, the song being demanded is the national anthem during football games." drowning out the reaction, project 21 cochair horace cooper along with criminal defense attorney anthony tile. great to see both of you. let start with you, anthony. help me with a connection here. i am having trouble making the connection from the national anthem to the songs of slavery. >> what he is saying is that generally, african-americans slavery had to sing songs, you

know, to kind of show that they are happy during their -- although they were oppressed and doing horrible labor jobs, and forced labor, they were doing forced labor -- what he is saying is, he is comparing the national anthem with -- >> laura: anthony, i get what he is doing. you are restating what he says. my point is, nfl players are playing my favorite game, i love football, and they are getting paid fairly well, some cases millions of dollars, and they love the game. so they are not being oppressed and i know there is a social justice causes, i get that. but slavery and football -- that -- it's just -- i mean -- even if you love the celebrities, and you -- i get that. but sometimes the left goes overboard. the right does it, too. but you lose people by going there. i think it is sad because kareem abdul-jabbar is an incredible athlete, and credible person, but i don't -- i just think you

lose people with making those trump's. >> i don't think he is going too far. i don't think is going too far. i think all he is saying is, he's comparing, you have a lead, 99% white owners, then you have the president demanding that they ss of how much money you make, if you feel as if you are being forced to do something that is reminding you of an oppressive pass to -- >> laura: no, no. you don't have to play football, no one -- leave the game if you don't like what you're owners under coaches are asking! the coaches make them run suicides every day. they don't want that to mike to do that. i used to be in college sports. >> they don't mind doing that. >> laura: you have to do -- there are rules, they signed a contract. horace, go ahead. >> the 1% are sitting out there on the field want us to believe that that their experience is the same as people who were

held captive, kidnapped, brought to work, and forest, and not allowed to have any freedom. that that is the same, that when we honor our country with the national anthem it is the same as when one per centers who are paid by the .001% ask them not to offend the audience. that that is somehow in any way akin to slavery. what you you do, you lose people. you make sure that the public doesn't want to watch football d that people don't join this particular crusade. >> horace, horace, horace, horace, what are you talking about? did you just hear lebron james the other day saying it doesn't matter how much money you have or who you are? when you are black in america, there is a feeling of being reminded that you are black. there is a feeling of being reminded -- >> that is ridiculous! that is absolutely ridiculous!

>> don't give me this about the 1%. >> they are the 1%! they are the 1%! >> it doesn't matter if they are the 1%! if they can't walk on the straight and feel -- >> it absolutely matters! they are americans, black, white, and brown, who suffer and who are deprived, and to do without, and those people aren't getting any of the attention. because of their race -- >> laura: no one can hear either of you so you are both making interesting points but i can't hear you. the piece, which is well written as a column, i might not agree with it but it is well-crafted, kareem abdul-jabbar mentions frederick douglass, of course, who is one of my absolute favorite historical figures, and he mentions him but then frederick douglass is the same person who frequently played "the star-spangled banner" on his violin for his family.

so he frequently played it on his violin for his grandchildren and two years after the war, 8071 speech at arlington cemetery, it if "the star-spangled banner" floats only over free american citizens in every corner of the land, and our country has before it a long and glorious career of justice, liberty, and civilization, we are indebted to the unselfish devotion of the noble army. i think using frederick douglass in the column is kind of mess playing. but go ahead. >> laura, laura, this isn't a zero-sum game. you can be of any race in america, that is the beauty of america, and you can feel ashamed to sing the song. there are some times when black people are getting shot down on the street that you don't feel as if -- i'm talking about getting shot down by police -- they do don't feel as if like that national anthem has risen to its standard. now honestly tell obviously

during the civil rights movement -- >> laura: martin luther king marched to it. alveda king, we talked to today, she couldn't join us tonight but she said, her uncle was extremely patriotic, and all the marches you see with the american flag is always there. he always insisted that it be there. that was her point today. horace? >> laura, kareem abdul-jabbar and these multimillionaire coddled individuals that rather than using -- >> why is it about the money? >> let me finish. rather than using their time constructively to pursue whatever social justice causes they want, have decided that they hate this country so much that they will offend it with the national anthem is played. >> laura: i don't think they hate the country. i really don't think they hate

the country. >> this is hateful behavior. >> laura: i don't think they hate the country. i think they are really, really -- they've got it in their minds that the police are unfair to african-americans. >> if you slap your spouse and you say i love them, people -- if or when the national anthem is played -- >> laura: we are way over. i think it would be nice if everyone stood for the other men how to debate off the field come i think that is always better. great segment way to question baker, by the way come as a target of a political vendetta. how the legal perfection is being recognized against americans. next. this wi-fi is fast.

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♪ >> laura: remember jack phillips, the question baker face legal action for refusing to break that same-sex wedding cake? he won a major case of the supreme court two months ago but get this, colorado civil rights commission has once again ruled that he violated the law when he refused to bake a cake for a transgender woman celebrating the seventh anniversary of her gender transition. in response, phillips is suing top colorado officials including governor john hickenlooper. joining joining me enough in cos jack phillips himself, as well as his lawyer, christian ragnar from phoenix.

jack, let's start with you. do you feel this is now a vendetta against your bakeshop? apparently you are the only bakeshop in all of colorado because all the focus is on you. but do you feel like this is now, you're being targeted? >> it feels like being targeted. the colorado civil rights commission is coming after me again after the united states supreme court has told them that they were hostile to my faith, and that they can do that, and yet, here we are again, the same situation. >> laura: the transgender individual, she came to your bakeshop, and said, will you bake a cake? for a specific -- how did the transaction or potential transaction go down? >> this is actually on the day that last year, that the united states supreme court announced that they were granting our case, and they were going to hear it, and so this colorado attorney called my shop and asked us to make pink and

blue cake signifying their gender transition. >> laura: wait a second -- wait a second. the colorado attorney? we didn't even get a visit to the cake shop, with bakeshop --- >> cake shop. >> laura: a transgender person did a walk in and say, "high, kate, jack, how are you doing -- >> it was a lawyer who called you? >> it was a lawyer who called us. >> laura: it's ridiculous. >> they explained that we couldn't sell anything else in our shop, or create customer, they asked us to repeat it, so they are creating a predicate for the action. >> laura: it's amazing. the court granted it last year, he won a victory in the supreme court, and now this. so you guys are suing the civil rights commission, correct, and are you suing individual members as well? >> we are suing the executive director. the supreme court made it abundantly clear that the commission was wrong to target jack's beliefs, and that they treated other cake artists

different than jack by allowing them to combine messages but refusing check that same freedom. >> laura: i am like -- my breath is taken away by that. so now, how long will it take for you to get relief or not really fair and is is going to go back to the supreme court? it seems like -- the goal here is to put jack out of business. right? it is so unbearable to do his job, this is what he loves, the creative arts, you serve gay and other couples really. it's just particular, you know, weddings or in this case, transgender dolomite gender transition, which you don't believe in, i'm sure millions of americans don't believe agree with you. >> we'll do -- we'll serve anybody who comes into the shop gladly. but there are many cakes that we don't create. cakes that are anti-american or that would disparage or denigrate other people, including people who identify as

lgbt. those are cakes that we want to create because the message that is cakes per tray. not because of the person. >> laura: kristin, the supreme court ruling didn't give you a clear ruling, however. it was not right in the nose, really quickly, your thought on that? >> it was right in the nose when it comes to the commission's hostility and its denigration of jack's faith and its double standard and how was trading cake designers that it likes and in addition to that, colorado took the position that if you wouldn't express that message to anyone, he didn't need to be compiled here. they are going to lose. >> laura: we are going to follow this case. thank you both for coming out tonight. we really appreciate it. we'll be right back.

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airport, dch nine. look at this. what? this happened last year, atlantic, nice infrastructure of the united states has. glad we spent, like, $7 trillion in the middle east and the iraq war. that is all the time we have tonight. we love hearing from you. tweet me. ed henry -- oh, boy. he's filling in for shannon bream and the "fox news @ night" team is there. i hope you are not flying back to d.c. >> ed: i was going to say the same about you. i'm back in d.c., glad you are not leaving town. we'll see you tomorrow night. >> ed: [laughs] okay, ed. have a great show. >> ed: hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i met henry in for shannon bream. we begin with this fox news alert. two major breaking stories we are following about a couple of sharp critics of president trump who are under fire themselves tonight. the president tweeting a few moments ago but andrew cuomo appears to be having a meltdown. the new york governor who is hoping that a likely reelection won this november could propel him to the short list for president in 2020 may have seen those white house