to be on bob mueller. i am so tired of this guy messing everything up. he's got to go. i hope you'll tune in. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to a special inside the issues edition of "tucker carlson tonight." over the next hour we will take a deeper dive into some of the biggest matters affecting american life today. we start with speech. as you probably heard, recently many of the biggest tech companies joined in a coordinated effort to sensor content from alex jones. apple, facebook, spotify, very manyio, youtube, all of them pulled or froze jones' accounts on the grounds that his views are too dangerous to be heard publicly. the left which seeks to crush anything it can't control applauded the news. the institutional right in washington afraid of being criticized mostly stayed

silent. that was foolish and it was cowardly. this isn't about alex jones or any one person. it's about the central principle of our society and it's at stake here. do people have a right to communicate their views? it doesn't matter what those views are. alex jones' views or anyone else's views. they may be misguide or repugnant. they often are. there is a remedy for repugnant views, make a counter case. defeat bad ideas with good ideas. that's how society functions. we are moving in the opposite direction. increasingly the people in charge use technology to see you lens criticism, mostly of them. the left will tell that you defending alex jones' right to speak is the same as defending what alex jones says. that is a lie. they know it's a lifetime achievement we would make the very same case on behalf of jill stein or chomsky on the left or anyone else the establishment was trying to silence. the left wing aclu spent about 100 years representing

radical extremists who views they hated and they did it to make that point free speech is for everybody, even the crazies. that's the very definition of free speech. in a free country, everyone can be heard in totalitarian societies only the powerful can be heard. the left used to understand that. but they don't anymore. what changed? why are the most powerful companies in the world suddenly so threatened by an independent radio show host in texas that they are willing to lose business in order to make him shut up. and joe's hardly their only target. every day the big tension companies censor someone else whose political opinions they disagree with you sigh it all the time. last summer the ceo of google a billionaire by the way flew home from family vacation just to fire a low level programmer called james day more. what did day moore do? his crime was writing a private memo that gently questioned identity politics. the reaction in both of those cases and many others

like them was weirdly disproportionate. almost hysterical like shooting someone for looking at you funny. competent people don't behave like that. inel secured, terrified people do. that's the point. our establishment crushes dissent not because our establishment is strong but because it is weak and afraid. in the words of a perceptive essay this week, quote: censorship is what happens when powerful people get scared that piece was written by a former wall street executive called michael kreiger and worth quoting the at length here. the elites aren't afraid what alex jones says krieger. trump didn't. alex jones trust in institutions elites did that with spectacular failures. trump's selection and alex jones' popularity are merely symptoms of a corrupt and failed status quo. the stewards of which refuse

to take a look in the mirror, accept blame and reform. censorship by silicon valley billionaire also back fire spectacularly ultimately safer for society to have open public forums where all ideas whether you consider them dangerous and crazy or not can be openly expressed alongside each other. deep platforming popular content won't make it go away. shift to areas of the internet you may not see fester and go stronger. you will think it's gone from society because it's been safely cleansed from your corporate government facebook time line. but it may grow even stronger in the shadows. end quote. in other words, censorship does not work. ideas spread. the ide good ones take root and they endure. people know what's true. they can smell it you can't stop them from knowing that. you can't control their minds. can you only humiliate

yourself and undermine your own authority by trying. our childish billionaire overlords may be geniuses they say they are, but they don't understand that some day soon they will learn and that is a comforting thought at a time like this. joining us now is depaul university professor jason hill. professor, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> so, tell us your view of why censorship from the left but not exclusively from the left but mostly has increased. that doesn't seem like the sign of confidence. it seems like the sign of people who believe they are losing control. >> well, i think what has happened is that the right has lost the culture wars. i think that we are seeing a period since the 1964-65 period in which the free speech movement was fought ironically by the far left. the farther we are under the control of a left, far left movement that is exercising

cultural power and is in control of our cultural institutions and what we have are these institutions like google, like twitter, like youtube yielding to that cultural power out of fear of retribution or repercussions that they fear will have financial consequences. but make no mistake about this. we are in the throws of a far left that has exercised and is exercising great cultural power our society. they have won the culture wars. >> tucker: what i don't understand is why people who dissent, who have different views tend to be so passive in the face attempts to shut them up. i understand why people don't like alex jones. i'm not definiting alex jones' views obviously. if they can silence a radio host or silence james

daymore at google. why don't we fight back against this? >> we can't fight back because we have not -- we don't have the moral courage to fight the opposition. we are apologists for our values and we are apologists for our principles. >> tucker: yes. >> we have receive ceded the mol high ground and in some sense given them the moral authority out of some sense of cowardice. great deal of moral cowardice that conservatives have that people who are even mildly conservative have and we have ceded high ground to people who have co-opted values and principles in the name of some sort of morality that is nothing short of nihilism, cultural relativism and attack on

reasonable and an attack on rational armen station. but it's a lack of courage and it's a lack. >> tucker: i think you are exactly right. but, if all people who dissented from prevailing view of, say, our tech billionaires who have so much control over our speech, pause and say you know, i'm not actually going to go along with this. you don't have the moral high ground over me. and i am going to say what i think. i'm going to stay each longer if you try to see you lens me. you could actually make some headway fighting back against it, couldn't you? >> you could. but i think people, i think we -- the point i would like to raise is that we don't really realize the kind of cultural power that is being exercised and the kind of intimidation tactic that is exercised and wielded over people who have dissenting views. there is a kind of hijacking of one's moral conscience

that has to be reckoned with. and i think until people who hold conservative values or people on the other side of the spectrum say no, this is wrong, free speech has got to be defended, and whether it's even -- i would go as far as, tucker, to say even hate speech, so long as it's not incitement to violence. >> tucker: i appreciate you, professor, for reminding us of that. thank you very much for that. >> thank you. >> tucker: we want to go over another topic that has emerged again and again in the news recently. socialism. socialism has a century long track record of creating human misery and destroying countries from russia to venezuela. the ideology has proven impossible to kill and it is flourishing or appears to be flourishing in the modern democratic party. democrats as a whole now say they view socialism more favorably than they do capitalism. politicians like bernie sanders and cynthia nixon proudly call themselves

socialists. >> maybe there is a taint to social atheism turns people off. >> i don't really think. so i have think the real issue is that the ideas that we have been talking about almost without exception, steven are now ideas that are mainstream ideas that are supported by the vast majority of the american people. >> republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what we do. [cheers] so we might as well give them the real thing. >> tucker: give them the real thing. what is the real thing? what are they talking about when they say they are socialists? david has thought a lot about this. he is director of the simon center for princ principles and politics at the heritage foundation center in washington. all of us have watched slack jaw you had as a growing number of democratic politicians embrace socialism. what does that mean. >> i think you should look at the policies they support

rather than the labels they use. threw will find what they're calling is socialism is basically liberalism. they want more regulations on the private sectors and bigger entitlements, basically socialism has become a synonym for more aggressive self-confident grand of liberalism definitely spreading. but marxist len nist socialism the stage on the way to communism is completely dead in the u.s. and enjoys almost no support. i would tell my friends on the right not to panic this is not the birth of communism. what it is a re a no more bill clinton era of big government more self-confident form of liberalism. >> tucker: it does seem like somebody has failed maybe parents, teacherrers or both in making the term socialism unacceptable. no one is espousin espousing na.

and for good reason. murdered tens of. why is not morro more. >> three things naziism, jim crow and slavery. they know that's bad. socialism and communism killed 120 million people in the 20th century. that's not really taught. other thing to keep in mind is 2008. 2008 happens and immediately the left reacted and said this is capitalism. this is the legacy of reagan. this is unregulated greed. it's the private sector running amuck and trampling over the well-being of americans. polsters come along and give the american people a choice of capitalism to which many on the left and millennials means 2008 or socialism which has come to mean kind of we are all in this together, we take care of one another or the government gives us free stuff and people say well i sure am hell not going to

support capitalism therefore i'm going to promote socialism. failure of failure to teach history. words evolve and meaning changes overtime. for today for a lot of people socialism means big government. >> tucker: libertarians and some conservatives never really reckoned with the deep resentment about the bank bailouts i always thought. did it ever occur to them that people looked at that, if you are a noneconomist like me and think if my business fails no one bails me out but we are bailing out these billion-dollar banks? people kind of hated that and why wouldn't they? >> i also think we didn't offer a simple counter narrative. i mean, there have been very intelligent and profound explanations offered on the right by economists of what happened. but, to put it bluntly what's our talking point? and i have been in d.c. now for 10 years, i still don't know what it is so i think in the popular consciousness 2008 was caused by deregulation and greed which i think you and i both know

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industry already know a lot more but and your neighbors and your family than the east german ever could have dreamed. they are always looking for nor information. for most people the smart phone is the way they get it smart phone doesn't just track where did you go. it can also listen in on your conversations, your in person conversations and use them to decide which ads you see online. brett larson host fox news headlines 24/7 on xm. he frequently investigates tech stories for us. brett larson i know this can't be true because we've ised this for a long time but the industry has denied it repeatedly but you are saying it is real? >> they have denied, denied, denied but every time someone sits down and researches it seems it is actually happening. that the conversations that you are having in front of your smart phones are being listened to and then advertisements appropriate to the conversations you had will pop up the next time you go online. >> tucker: can i interrupt to you make sure this is not

when you are speaking to serrie, when you are talking to the phone when you are in a restaurant. >> even now. >> tucker: how is that legal? >> here's the thing. this is where when why had mark zuckerberg in congress, congress said over and over these end user agreements that we click through and don't pay attention. for what we know it could be buried in there but it could be buried in there in such a way that you don't really understand what they are saying. when you open an app. for the first time when you download the facebook app., for example and open it for the first time it may say facebook app. would like access to cam rand microphone. logically because i want to put pictures on facebook directly from the app. but, buried in that license agreement it may say flat out and, you know, we're listening to the things going on around you when you post your photos so that we can take the mood of the room or so that you are not posting a silent movie,

basically. but, this reporter advice media did the same thing and he did it the same way all of us have heard the story over and over antidotal things i was talking about wanting to go to japan and the next thing i know i'm in front of my computer and all these ads for cheap flights to japan. most of us dismiss it like there is no way that can be happening. zuckerberg is in congress and no way we are not listening to you. other researchers have found a lot of these apps are actually listening to us and also paying attention to how we interact with the app. they are going to excuse it away. they are pays attention how we want to make the app. they want to make the app. a better user experience. phones are listening for magic word. listening for okay google to aletter the virtual assistants or hey serrie, there it goes what can i help with you? in order for my phone to hear me say that it has to be listening to me all the time. so it's a matter of what other apps are also listening and what their what their trigger words to

get them to start paying attention. for all we know the facebook app. tryinger is i'm thinking about and then the next thing is what they are listening for. >> tucker: that's the point we don't know by the way congress banned lawn darts and cigarette because they were a danger to the public they have done nothing about this because they are pathetic in the pocket of these companies. let me ask you this, where does the data go all your intimate conversations what do they do with it. >> take it back, process it and sell you advertisements. when we did that investigation into google and tracking your location, it's really about they want to know where you go. they want to know your routine because then they have a more valuable sell to an advertiser. you are not just going to a fast food restaurant and saying we are going to give you 1,000 customers. you are going to a fast food restaurant and saying we are going to give you 100 customers that absolutely walk past your store every day and 10 of them walk in once a week and we know this for fact. now they can go a step further of those 10 that we

nowak into your store one of them is actually talking in the morning about how he's to get breakfast at your particular establishment and they have all this data. >> tucker: why would any smart person bring this phone into your bedroom. >> i know, tucker, when we think about it baby cams, pet cams, all of those things in our homes connect you had to the internet. we don't know where that's going. my advice would be turn the phone off if you are bringing it in the bedroom because it is probably listening to you. i'm not trying to sound alarmist. i'm just trying to be realistic. >> tucker: you are the opposite of an alarmist. i'm alarmed and terrified and upset that congress doesn't do anything about it. thank you for relentless investigations. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: drag on 17 years and counting billions and billions of dollars is

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enough to do a lot of things. victory though seems as far off as ever maybe farther away than ever as taliban forces control huge swaths of the country side a major city less than a hundred miles of the capital kabul. president trump prom nilsed in 2016 to keep the out of quagmires what can he do when this quagmire he inherited. spoke to an expert blackwater on the country of afghanistan. erik prince jones us tonight. thanks for coming on. >> hey, tucker, thanks for having me. >> tucker: you are one of the few people i know paying attention what's happening in afghanistan. the president gets elected a year and a half ago partly on the promise to reassess afghanistan. the pentagon asks him more time, more troops. what is the result of that? is it turning around? >> look, the president got bad advice a year ago. he originally was going to go with his instincts which is to do something different and unconventional. he was very deliberate about the decision making process

and in the end they rolled him and after a year more, another $62 billion of spending, more dead americans and lots of dead afghans we are losing the taliban showed that very strongly again this week. they kill another 350 afghan soldiers, four districts taken. they effective li cut the country in half by cutting a major city and also this week killed 50 kids in kabul studying or taking a college entrance exam. so the country continues to melt down. the conventional approach is not working. for the last 17 years we have basically repeated the soviet battle plan and it's not working. time for the president to make some choices. >> tucker: so what's the thinking here? so as you said, it's been next month it will be 17 years. >> next tuesday. >> tucker: we do not control -- right, a large part of the country and it's not working. is the thinking that something is going to change or why are we continuing to do the same things over and over? >> well that is the

definition of insanity to do the same thing and expect a different result. again, the president got bad advice. he was only given the option of more money and more troops or pull out completely. if we do pull out completely, it will become a terrorist super state because the taliban, isis have the ability -- right now they are making about $600 million a year between illegal drug sales and illegal mining. the 9/11 attack only cost $500,000. but we need to, as a country, have a sustainable and effective program going forward and with the thousands -- the 15,000 u.s. troops that are there. 30,000 contractors in country is not working. we recommend a very much smaller and much more unconventional approach that goes back what worked after 9/11 cia led very small team, very fast, very that niewrvel not a big plotting conventional approach. right now we are spending $62 billion. even some of the staff in the white house align the president say we are only spending 15 billion-dollar.

no, you can look in the overseas contingency funding bill of the pentagon, they are spending 49 plus 17 in base support for their efforts in afghanistan and it's wrong and it's much cheaper way to do that for all the talk about pakistan abusing the united states. it's true. but because of the pentagon's very thirsty, very hungry footprint we can never actually choke off pakistan because they can choke off our supply line. the president should appoint a special presidential envoy effectively a bankruptcy trustee. the president understands how to restructure basically bankrupt failing situations. he needs to do that in this situation, give that envoy the title 50 authorities just like the cia had when they went into afghanistan after 9/11 and work this thing out. now, there is a new commander going in who is a guy with a special operations background. that is a very good step. but the president can bolster that and have someone, one person that reports to him to unify the

multi-headed hydra of u.s. government policy and fix this. i know the president's frustrated. he asks about it all the time, i'm told. it's time for the president to take a different path and solve and end this longest war in america. there are americans dying there now who are toddlers are not even born when the twin towers fell 17 years ago. >> tucker: very quickly, is it true that other countries have secured mineral rights in afghanistan as we. >> sure. a lot of countries have secured mineral rights. there is actually very legal mining going on. the taliban and isis are doing hundreds of millions of dollars worth of illegal mining because, again, as a country we haven't advanced the rule of law into these areas to prevent actual legitimate investment. but, if we go it with a small unconventional footprint we can put this thing back on track. >> tucker: of course we are getting nothing out of it as usual. >> we are standing by, mr. president. >> tucker: thank you for

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as a global super power. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: there was a surprising piece written in the financial times that described the chinese leadership's view of donald trump and it came as, i think something as a surprise if you follow the news coverage of trump in this country it said essentially chinese leadership believes that our president is playing three dimensional chest. is he a brilliant tactician and they fear is he outflanking him strategically. do you think that's right. >> yes. i was in beijing a week ago. i heard pretty much the same thing that they think president trump is basically the superior president out of the five or six china. he has done the most to alter the relationship. he has really gotten their attention. they are quite concern there is something deeper going on than they are aware of. you get this sense that the chinese leadership and the advisors to the leadership are afraid of being outsmarted by president trump.

>> tucker: it's a little odd from a nonexpert's point of view because it doesn't seem like his posture has been that aggressive. is it just that he is the only president to fight back at all? or do they think more is coming? >> both. i think he has distinguished himself as fighting back at all number one. number two, the details and the depth of his allegations and these several white house reports he has released are really quite stunning to the chinese. he is basically alleging that they stole their way to the top. they have had forcible technology transfers from u.s. companies, these outright stolen technology. they sort of have an illegitimate path to being number two in the world. that he would say these kinds of things, especially this term he is used in some reports economic warfare, that china committing economic warfare against america and other countries. this is really quite astonishing to them. if they're used to being

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♪ >> tucker: welcome back to our special inside the issues hour. we recently touched on a little known, but important issue in american life horse meat. we interviewed a man called dave dukett he came on this show and said congress should change the law to allow meat for human consumption. >> welfare of the horse world has gone down hill ever since. when you have something that doesn't have any value at all, which is what the unwanted horse is, we have a huge history of horse meat consumption in the united states. >> tucker: we got a remarkable response to that

segment. horse meat is uncommon in this country very common in mexico and in france. nancy watson is not impressed by that she is president of the safe food, safe horses coalition. she thinks the idea serving black beauty at thanksgiving dinner is repugnant. she saw that segment and asked to come on to state her case and of course, we were glad to have her. nancy, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: so the argument is from the other side and, again, i'm agnostic on this though i don't claim to have a horse burger any time soon. the argument there are a lot of unwanted horses and news stories describing abandoned horses and that this market in horse meat might be a solution to that. that's the argument anyway. what is your response. >> there are no ununwanted horses in america. just recently a poll was

published taken just a few months ago where it showed 1.2 million homes available for horses in need. it's a matter of rehoming them and making the effort to find them a new home there are no unwanted horses. it's a manufactured crisis by the small faction of horse meat eating people in the united states who want to bring that industry back. >> tucker: you said it's a threat to public health. how so? >> well, the fda, the government agency responsible for public health and food safety classifies horses as companion animals. we raise them in the united states as athletes, work meatmates and they are toxic chemicals and pharmaceuticals banned for use on livestock and food

producing animals. putting these horses in food supply. we are contaminating the food supply knowingly. we supply two thirds of the horses that are slaughtered for human consumption in mexico and in canada. >> tucker: why would and i know you are sincerely gravely opposed to eating horse, but why would people go to all this effort to argue on behalf of eating horsehorses when there are perfectly good cows available, for example. what is the appeal of horse meat? >> that's a great question. you know, the cost of raising horses for slaughter is way more than the cost of raising cows for slaughter. and the slaughter process is much more costly for horses. they have five times more blood than a cow. you know, it's just a messy

process. i can't fathom why anybody would want to slaughter a horse. physically they have the long muscular necks so the head restraints don't work. the captive bolt doesn't work. i really don't know why anybody wants to bring that industry to the united states. >> tucker: do you think there is something degrading of a nation about eating horses? >> personally, i do, yeah. but honestly, it's -- our fight is about public health and food safety. >> tucker: right, i understand that. >> we are contaminating the food supply with toxic horses. horses meat that's sourced from u.s. horses is toxic. >> tucker: there is something awful about it i agree with you. i can't quite put my finger on it but i think i'm on your side. thank you very much for that. great to talk to you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: new york mayor bill de blasio has isolated

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because they exist we have been changed for the worse. i feel very angry when i see a media outlet, a corporate giant, a profit-making giant dividing people and creating hatred and negativity. cnn, you could try and find some politics in cnn but it does not even come close do resembling the clear political agenda of news corps. >> tucker: that was new york city mayor and non-genius bill de blasio on cnn recently describing what he believes is the biggest problem america faces diversity of opinion. well, there isn't much of it left in this country, almost every news outlet has identical views on everything and they happen to be the same as bill de blasio' views. only one television network not completely on board that's one too many for bill de blasio. dissent is divisive, he says, things would be much better if people who disagree with bill de blasio were forced to shut up. mandatory consensus. that's the left's view of paradise. we don't agree by the way.

we plan to keep saying. so we move into our ongoing investigation into wind turbines. they have a well-deserves reputation for causing noise pollution ruining the natural landscape and providing precious little electricity in return for all of that they kill at love birds okay they be hurting our military? we spoke with texas state military donna campbell about that. here is our conversation. >> state senator donna campbell joins us now u senator campbell thanks for come on. >> thanks some for having me. >> tucker: i have heard a lot of complaints about corporate wind farms one that they are unsightly, two that they don't produce meaningful and usable energy, three that they kill an awful lot of birds. you are saying that there is a fourth problem with them that they hinder military readiness. tell us how. >> you are right. they do hinder military readiness. i would say that's the primary problem. i took a tour at our naval air station in kingsville where we train over half of

our naval and marine corps pilots. and there i saw firsthand look i had a firsthand look at the wind turbines. they are 500 feet tall. some as tall as 2 football fields in height. huge blades and in a cluster, we find that they affect the mission of the base. the flight path has to be changed. the altitudes have to be changed. it degrades radar and all of this combined actually affects mission readiness, which, in turn, affects our national security. it's a threat that needs to be dealt with. >> tucker: i notice they are almost all in low income rural areas. you don't see them in nantucket sound and off the coast of santa mondayca. why is that the people most in favor of corporate wind farms don't have them in their own backyards? have you noticed that? >> yes. and i couldn't have put it better myself, tucker. they are putting them on the coast down in texas.

they're clustered across the landscape of america except in the places, of course, where they want to keep the area pretty. important for us is that yeah, important for us is that we don't compromise our national security. >> tucker: well, of course, that's the new angle in this and i'm glad you brought it to our attention. senator, thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you so much, tucker. >> tucker: that's it for tonight's special inside the issues hour. i hope had you a good time. we did. tune in every night 8:00 p.m. to the show that is the sworn enemy and we mean that to lying ♪ [national anthem] ♪ [national anthem]

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