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permanently separated from her family. a person came in from mexico illegally and killed her. we need the wall, we need our immigration laws changed. >> tucker: crimes like this are of course embarrassingly inconvenient for the american media which routinely, every day, remind us that illegal aliens are far more impressive than we are and if we disagree with that we are racist. so of course they all but ignored the murder of mollie tibbetts. one of the few mentions came yesterday on msnbc when a college professor called christina greer dismissed tibbetts as some girl in iowa. >> they have been so willing to move the goalpost every single time with this president. i don't think today change is much unfortunately. i'm sure we will hear what he has to say about this at his rally. but fox news is talking about a girl in iowa and not this.

>> tucker: a girl in iowa. when you pay tuition, that's who gets it. later she apologized in the least sincere way possible. on twitter she used her brief celebrity to whine about discriminatory immigration policy. where was we think the only person to even mention mollie tibbetts all day on nbc. cnn was barely better. the prime time lineup ignored it completely. that's not surprising because for msnbc and cnn and the people on whose behalf they speak, tibbetts' entire existence is inconvenient. as a native born american she was problematic because she might not work for the low wages they prefer to pay. if her vote would not be politically reliable and now at the victim of a murder, she is a problem because she exposed the lie they forced on us over and over, the lie that every illegal immigrant to america is superior to the people who already live here. they are so good and so noble that it is immoral for us to enforce our borderlines or exercise control. to them mollie tibbetts really is just some girl in iowa and

the fewer of those there are the better. alex is a senior immigration policy analyst, he joins us today. let me ask you a broader question first. why is it the instinct of people like professor greer, people like you, to minimize crimes like this? to attack people who are bothered by them, or fearful when they see a crime like this? why not just concede that this is real? why attack people who are upset by it? >> i haven't attacked anybody who was upset it. i've acknowledged that this is a terrible crime, that this murder is a heinous act and that person who committed it if they are convicted by a court of law should be punished to the full extent of the law. i can't speak to what the professor has written about this but this is definitely a horrible tragedy and i have not tried to minimize it in any way. >> tucker: sure, because immediately you hear people say, and i'm sure you will say in a minute, don't use this crime to

tar the reputation of any illegal alien. i think most people look at this and say if you are in our country illegally, a single crime is too many. talk about adding outreach to insults. already breaking our laws and then committing crimes and there are an awful lot of crimes committed by people here illegally and by noncitizens more broadly. the u.s. sentencing commission says 44% of all federal inmates are noncitizens. that's a huge number. why wouldn't we be upset by tha that? >> that federal data is only for federal prisoners as you probably know. federal prisoners account for fewer than 10% of all prisoners in the united states and that's not representative of a crime. an example, 2016 almost 18,000 homicide convictions in the united states but only 85 through the federal courts because they simply don't prosecute homicide. so if you want to take a look nationwide at convictions and incarcerations of people -- that's a much better way to do it. >> tucker: it would be. it would be.

it would be, but we don't have those data. the most conference of data we have are from the federal system. >> that's not true. >> tucker: it is true, actually. not every state keeps those dat data. >> the state of texas actually does. the conviction by immigration status. texas has a lot of illegal immigrants. >> tucker: why are you blowing past this? if 44% -- about 7% we think is illegal. 44% are noncitizens, how do you what's going that? i thought every noncitizen was better than a citizen. >> they are not, obviously. but immigration laws are prosecuted by the federal government. drug laws that people crossing the border are prosecuted by the federal government. those are federal crimes. if you are interested in things like murder, like this woman murdered in iowa, that will be in state court. we take a look at the homicide -- illegal immigrants

are less likely to be convicted of homicide than native-born americans. >> tucker: murder is not the only crime. so you had 71,000 americans died last year of drug ods. the majority of opiates, heroin, from mexico. so mexican drug trafficking conducted largely -- they are not counted as homicides but they are in effect homicides. >> there are people who are dying as a result -- they absolutely do, -- >> tucker: actually they are dying because of the drug o.d. >> alcohol poisoning during the 1930s. >> tucker: actually, people still die of cirrhosis and alcohol is legal. i'm not in favor of prohibition. i'm merely pointing out that these drugs come from mexico but we have the right to be upset. are you bothered that he used a faked federal i.d. for a number of years?

why is it that apologist for illegal immigration like yourself gloss over that? if i used a fake i.d. if i show up and i'm hired under another name and a fake social security number, i go to jail for that but it's totally cool when illegals do it because why? because they work for the companies that give you money? is that why? what is the answer? >> the problem is a lot of bad federal laws incentivize identity theft. if you have to have a piece of paper in order to get a job in this country and people are going to steal those pieces of paper in order to get it. it's going to create a black market. if you make it legal what people want they will forge these documents. >> tucker: make things legal. you are not really answering my question, which is why should i live in a country where as a citizen i am gravely and profoundly punished for identity theft but over 10 million illegals are not and people like you don't think there should be? but i am punished for that. if i were to use someone else's

identity -- i certainly haven't because i would be punished for it. >> a lot of people are punished for identity theft. what are you talking about? >> tucker: more than 10 million people are living and working in this country using fake federal identification. they are not punished for that. you don't think they should be punished for it. i would be punished if i did it. do you see the double standard? you defend the rights of people who aren't even citizens and actual citizens like me would go to jail for it. >> i don't think that native-born americans or foreign-born people should have to prove and ask the government for permission by showing a piece of paper to get a job. that's not what this country is about to have permission showing a government piece of paper. >> tucker: slow down, how about fly on an airplane, how about operate a motor vehicle? those require state government ids. should we get rid of drivers licenses too? >> some ideas i necessary to protect people who might harm people. how does me working at a movie theater working at a nursery damage other people like that?

i'm not sure about drivers licenses -- why do i have to ask permission from the federal government to get a job? why do you want me to do that? where does it say that in the constitution that i have to do that? >> tucker: driving a car. >> that's on the state level. >> tucker: i'm not going to argue with you about ids. i'm saying there's one stand of the people here illegally, they have champions like you and american citizens don't. and that's annoying to normal people. that's all i'm saying. >> everyone you want to use to punish illegal immigrants is going to be used against native born americans too. i i have developed these stupid forms to get a job because i have to prove that i'm legally eligible. >> tucker: alex, thanks. instead of protecting america from potentially dangerous illegal immigrants one of the left's top political priorities is abolishing ice, the agency of course tasked with removal of dangerous immigrants violating our laws from this country. >> ice is never welcome here!

>> and as a candidate for ag i feel like it's really important to speak out to abolish ice. >> we should protect families that need our help and that is not what ice is doing today and that's why i believe you should get rid of it, start over, reimagine it and build something that actually works. >> abolish -- >> ice! >> abolish -- >> ice! >> tucker: a lot of concern for the families of illegal aliens. not much concern for the family of mollie tibbetts. former acting director of ice joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. let's just get to the practical part. there is a way of building on the left. i think it's possible, probably likely that democrats take the house of representatives. it will be a move to abolish ice. what would happen if that were successful? >> the president's right, it equals open borders. if you enter this country illegally and happen to get by the border patrol no one is looking for you. if you get arrested by the border patrol and get released because you are waiting to see a

judge and you don't show up in court or you show up in court and get an order of removal and don't leave mike over half a million that currently exist in this country, no one is looking for you. if you get a visa to come visit and you don't leave, no one is looking for you. the president's right, abolishing ice equals open borders. wes tries predators will be at arrested. less children will be safe from child predators? >> tucker: let's say you work for ice, and you did of course, you ran it. you are a federal law enforcement agent and you turn on the television and elected officials are calling you racist, they're comparing you to the nazis, saying your job should be eliminated because you are criminal peter what's that like? >> it's insulting. they are pointing a finger. they are vilifying them for enforcing laws that congress enacted. i'm a native new yorker and i'm disgusted by the governor of

new york. i've done more for the safety and security of new york state by arresting 5,000 criminal aliens off the street in new york. they also concentrated criminals, but you can't come into our jail. it's a ridiculous argument. but they are not going to bully ice for not doing our jobs. i had protesters at my house two weeks after i retire. they are not going to shut me up. i'm going to keep fighting this fight and we will prove to the american people that ice is a very important agency that does a lot of important -- i said last year prevented 8,000 people from getting a visa to come to this country that had derogatory information to harm this country. ice arrested drug traffickers, gone traffickers, drugs. they saved almost 1,000 children from child predators. ice is an agency full of patriots that protect this nation. >> tucker: i think normal people understand that. thanks very much for coming on. >> you're welcome, thank you. >> tucker: the left doesn't

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♪ >> tucker: for more than a century the statues at university of north carolina commemorated alumni who died fighting for the south in the civil war. since then it has been frequently protested. it has remained standing and has itself become a key part of campus history. none of that means anything to the modern left. two nights ago a mob of angry children trying out for the red guard apparently pulled the statues down while law enforcement let them do it. [inaudible]

[screaming] >> tucker: the point isn't how you feel about confederate statues. a lot of reasonable people think they are appalling. they make a strong case for that. it doesn't matter. what you just saw it as barbaric and it's an attack on democracy itself. polls consistently show that americans believe the monuments should be left standing. it rather than change their minds, and you can make an argument, the left doesn't want to do that. it uses the mob to get its way and they keep doing it until the law stands up to them, which it these days really does. bob woodson's president and founder of the woodson center and offer of the triumphs of joseph and he joins us tonight. thanks for joining us. >> please to be here, tucker. >> tucker: i assume you are not a supporter of confederate statues? but tell me what you think when you watch that video. >> i am outraged that as a veteran of the civil rights movement we fought to fulfill

the dream of america. it we supported our founding values and our principles and we also didn't destroy anything in the name of justice. for those people out there who are supposed to be heirs of that legacy, they are a fraud. i am against taking those statures down. to remember something that doesn't mean that you are celebrating it. the jewish people brought the holocaust museum because they said it's important to remember it. as a christian, we remember the cross not because it celebrates roman oppression. because it is victory over death that we celebrate, resurrection. it is important to apply your own narrative to the symbols but i think what is being done there is an outrage and these are anarchists. if they are not freedom fighter fighters. and those of us in the civil rights movement should speak out against this outrage.

>> tucker: so you are saying that having the statue up is not a celebration of the confederac confederacy. it's a way for the rest of us to remember what it was in the triumph over it by the united states. >> that's right. it's also being just misused by members of the left to really denigrate the values of this nation. that's what it is. and they are using race, but what it does also is deflect attention away from the more critical issues that we are facing, particularly in black america where we have more blacks killed in one year than were killed in 70 years -- lynched in 70 years between 1873-1950, 4,000 blacks were lynched brutally but 6,000 blacks were killed in one year. if taking a confederate statute down does nothing towards saving a life in chicago but we are

talking about statues and not the realities that are confronting thousands of people who are losing their lives today. that's where we ought to be putting our time and attention. >> tucker: exactly. and none of these people care at all. thank you very much. it's an honor to have you tonight. >> thank you. >> tucker: a lot happened today with michael cohen. we will discuss the guilty plea of president trump's personal attorney and what it means. stay tuned. as a co -right away, i could tell his priorities were a little unorthodox. -keep going. stop. a little bit down. stop. back up again. is this adequate sunlight for a komodo dragon? -yeah. -sure, i want that discount on car insurance just for owning a home, but i'm not compromising. -you're taking a shower? -water pressure's crucial, scott! it's like they say -- location, location, koi pond. -they don't say that.

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♪ >> tucker: as you know doubt saw, the president's former personal attorney michael cohen pleaded guilty to a number of criminal charges, but some of them stemmed from a payment that he made to stormy daniels. for that and the other things he is facing three to five years in prison. you are hearing on cable news that this could be the death now of the trump administration and

who knows what lies ahead, but it does raise a number of interesting questions about the crime itself beginning with was it a crime? chris hahn joins us tonight to sort this out. chris, thanks a lot for coming on. >> any time. >> tucker: if i had asked you 20 years ago do you think that you would be leading the charge to remove a president from office over his sex life you probably wouldn't have thought you would find yourself here, but let me ask you this, if you are approached by someone who says give me money or i will embarrass you, isn't that extortion? >> it is extortion and i have no problem with the president's sex life. i think on the melania should have a problem with it, if she does. but the president is being accused of is directing michael cohen to commit a federal election crime, which is a felony. if that is true, this is

something congress should investigate. >> tucker: it may or may not be a federal election crime. it may or may not be a felony. most are civil offenses as you know. let's get back to the core event here. stormy daniels apparently sent to donald trump through his attorney, give me money or i will embarrass you. you just conceded that is extortion. if that happened to you i think you would consider it extortion. i know i would if it happened to me. why do we not consider it extortion in this case? where are we celebrating her lawyer, celebrating her? you just said it was extortion. shouldn't someone get on this? >> i don't know that stormy daniels said give me money or i will tell. i think stormy daniels said i will tell and the president said wait, let me give you money so you don't tell, which is what happened with catherine mcdougall and which may have happened with others and i think we are going to find out. we won't wait, stop for one second here. so you are saying what we already know, which as she took

money in order to remain silent, which means that if she hadn't taken money, she talked anyway of course but the application -- trump doesn't like to spend money on anything, as you know. the cheapest man in the world. >> she didn't stay quiet very >> tucker: but the deal was extortion. i'm not defending this. i don't think the president is telling the truth about it. i think it probably did have a relationship with her. but it still extortion. so why are we excusing that? it's a sincere question. >> tucker, it's extortion if she asked him for the money. it's not extortion if he offered her the money. let's be clear here. in the president of the united states decried -- the crime is not extortion, the crime is directing someone to commit a crime. and who knows what else we are going to find out. >> tucker: let me just ask you, the idea here, and it's a stupid idea i would say, is that this was a campaign contribution

and so the implication is it had come out that trump had a relationship with a porn star. people would have been totally shocked and wouldn't have voted for him because that just doesn't sound like the donald trump they knew. that's ridiculous, actually. this wasn't a campaign contribution. this was hush money paid to a porn star and that's what it is. it's not a crime, it's embarrassing. honestly. >> according to what we heard in court yesterday, according to what we heard in court yesterday, the president was concerned that this and other things would come out and he directed michael cohen to commit a campaign finance violation. that is different than collecting a little bit too much money. he himself directed -- >> tucker: i got it. i read the newspapers. i watch all the other channels. how was it a campaign finance violation? speak slowly so i can understand. how was this a campaign donation? this is a payment to a former girlfriend. how was that a campaign donatio donation? >> anything gained of value in a

campaign is a campaign donation. that is very clear in campaign finance law. information -- and particularly giving money to somebody. giving money to somebody for something of value is over the limit. >> tucker: no it's not. >> it is. >> tucker: what you just said is factually untrue. if i run for office -- let me finish my sentence. if i run for office i do not relinquish my right to make money. if i mow your lawn and i'm running for the senate and you pay me for that, that's not a campaign contribution. not all money a candidate takes is it a campaign contribution. how is a payment to an old girlfriend a campaign contribution? it's not. how? 15 seconds, explain it. >> michael cohen paid that money to avoid the embarrassment the last stage of the campaign. at the direction of the candidate if that's true. and if that happens that is a campaign finance violation. and it is particularly egregious

if the candidate himself directed it. >> tucker: but of course he directed it. i don't care what they say, of course he did. he's a married man with kids. he still slept with a porn star. he's guilty of doing what like 50 people i know have done. he's done something awful and you pay the person off. it's incredibly common, as you know. he was a candidate that he still has a wife and kids. i was at a campaign contribution? it's not. it's an effort to keep your girlfriend from talking. >> there is a lawyer who went in federal court yesterday and swore an oath that it was for the campaign. that is what the president is dealing with and that's what congress should be investigating right now. >> tucker: they should impeach him then. >> congress should do its job and get to the bottom of it. >> tucker: we artie got to the bottom of it! he paid off his girlfriend and he got caught! that's the bottom of it! it so dumb i can even deal with it. >> i don't think it's the bottom, i think it's just the surface. >> tucker: there's more, there's more. he paid off his girlfriend, there is no more.

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does our current bureaucratic elite agree with that? apparently they do. we called over to the state department for comment on south africa's land seizures, which should be getting worldwide attention because they are immoral but are getting basically none, and the state department replied with what is honestly an unbelievable statement. we are going to quote it for you at length. here it is. "we are aware of these reports and have been following this issue very closely for some time. south africa is a strong democracy with resilient institutions including a free press. south africans are grappling with the difficult issue of land reform including public hearings, broad-based consultations and active civil society engagement. the president has pledged that the land reform process will follow the rule of law and its implementation will not adversely affect economic growt growth, agricultural production or food security." the state department does not mention that by following the rule of law he has changed the

country's constitution to make it possible to steal land from people because they are the wrong skin color. in other words, nothing to see here, says mike pompeo's state department. it's totally okay for south africans to steal property for racist reasons because there are "a strong democracy" and held "public hearings." criminals take note, start rubbing state department of employees on the way to work, by their logic they will be okay with it because it's democracy. spent a lot of time studying that country in the region. now looks at the center for global liberty and prosperity. we talked with him about this recently. here's our conversation. >> tucker: i thought the whole point of the new south africa and the reason the rest of us were excited to see it in 1994, take shape is because it rejected racial discrimination, and get the government is now embracing it, or am i missing something? >> no. in a free and civilized society

we don't take people's stuff on the basis of the color of their skin. it was wrong when it took place in the apartheid. it is wrong now, and it be a tragedy if south africa were to repeat the same mistakes it did in the past. >> tucker: so there are really two levels here, first is the more level and you and i are in agreement that it's always wrong to punish people for what they look like, but second is the effect that it will have. we saw something similar to this happen in neighboring zimbabwe. what happened when land was seized there on the basis of skin color? >> 18 years ago the governing party of zimbabwe was threatened with electoral loss and in order to shore up its support amongst the electorate it decided to expropriate the farmers of zimbabwe. what that led to aside from horrific violence was a total economic collapse of the countr.

half a century of economic growth was wiped out in zimbabwe was wiped out because of this particular policy. the country experienced hyperinflation had to abandon its currency. the country's unemployment rate was roughly 90%. life expectancy plummeted. child mortality increased. and, of course, the agricultural production has collapsed and hunger ensued. >> tucker: so the western media, particularly the media of the united states has resolutely ignored this. it didn't just happen today. at this has been unfolding over a period of years. the trump administration has not weighed in on this. how should the u.s. administration respond to this human rights tragedy that we are watching unfold? >> the first thing that needs to be made clear is to denounce the policy. the administration needs to make it very clear that it is both immoral because it targets a specific group of people, and i

thought we were beyond that, and secondly, that it could be economically destructive. we need to make it very clear where we stand. secondly, the south african government needs to be aware that the law, the african growth and opportunity act, under which south africa trades with the united states, requires the president of the united states to expel countries that do not respect property rights and due process. so the south african government needs to be aware that if it changes the constitution and it legalizes what is essentially theft of private property, it will be kicked out and further negative economic consequences will ensue. >> tucker: why would former president barack obama just several weeks ago publicly praise and racist, why would he

do that? >> a lot of people hope that ramaphosa is playing some sort of a three-dimensional chess. that he is just trying to appease the far left of his political party and the far left in the country, but ultimately he doesn't really believe in what he explicitly says he believes. ramaphosa has said that by expropriating the farmland, the privately owned farm land in south africa he's going to create the garden of eden in south africa. he's going to turn south africa into hell, just like zimbabwe is a complete catastrophe. if so barack obama should pick up the phone, call serial ramaphosa and tell him that if he wants to continue to enjoy the good press he's been having, he needs to reverse policy that he has set and behave in

accordance with normal rules that define and characterize free countries. >> tucker: i wish he had said that in public when he had the chance. but of course he didn't, being a coward. thank you for your deep knowledge on the subject. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: so that's a tragedy. it you just heard that. keep in mind our state department right now supports race-based land seizures. we hope the policy changes. we will be keeping abreast of it obviously. i had we have no information on the illegal immigrants suspected of murdering molly tibbetts. we will have it for you after the break. ♪ keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424. so you have, your headphones, chair, new laptop, 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes. start them off right, with the school supplies they need

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authorities say murdered mollie tibbetts. matt finn is in iowa. on the story from the very beginning. >> today rivera's employees at a farm not far from here retracted their initial statement and now say that they did not use the federal system to screen out rivera that he is not the man they thought he was. also today a federal immigration official telling fox news that rivera never submitted a daca request and has no record of any immigration status in this country. earlier today christhian rivera was led into the courthouse in prison guard and shackles. i was able to ask him if he killed mollie tibbetts and he did not respond and remained stone-faced. in court his defense requested the media be banned arguing the case has become too political. even the president has commented on the case. the judge denied the request to be in the media today. representatives from the mexican consulate were in the courtroom and they tell fox news afterwards they felt rivera was

treated fairly. tonight rivera is being held on $5 million bond. tucker. >> tucker: matt finn for us tonight. thank you. all summer they have blasted the administration for temporarily separating immigrant families at the border. >> unimaginably they have ripped children away from their parents. >> it is inhumane, it is cruel. >> when you take children away and separate families you are doing the complete opposite of the values of this nation. >> those children should be with their moms and their dads. >> does the president think of children as accessories and not central to the purpose of family sanctity in our country? >> tucker: okay, the left says it's deeply opposed to splitting up families, so where the even more horrified watching an american citizen permanently separated from her family by an illegal alien? on cnn senator elizabeth warren provided a very clear answer,

no. if the real problem, she said, his family separations of illegal aliens. watch. >> i'm so sorry for the family here and i know this is hard not only for the family, but for the people in her community, people throughout iowa. but one of the things we have to remember is we need an immigration system that is effective, that focuses on where real problems are. >> tucker: where real problems are. mary mendoza is the mother of police sergeant brandon mendoza who was killed by an illegal immigrant and she joins us tonight. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: when you hear a politician say someone died and that's sad, but the real problem is how we treat people trying to sneak in illegally, what's your response to that? >> i was disgusted by senator elizabeth warren, and what i want to say to her is stop lying to the american people. if you don't care what is happening to the victims of illegal alien crime.

because if you did he would be standing up for us and you would be doing something about it. we have pleaded with these politicians to do something to protect american citizens and they are ramping up their protection of illegal alien criminals. and i just want to say, there are so many victims, tucker, and when you think of courtney in texas and her husband and two children were killed in the illegal alien got two years. it when you of sanders cohan and carlos wolf in maryland were killed on the side of the road, $140 for each of the men he killed and that's the only punishment he got. is this what an american life is worth? to our politicians and fellow americans who don't understand the disgusting narrative that is happening in our country? and this has become political because it's the very politicians who were elected into office who are not doing a dang thing about this and they are ignoring the american people

crying for help and they are stepping over dead american bodies in their rush to protect illegal alien criminals. >> tucker: i don't think you're overstating that. i agree with everything you said and i'm really sad about it and i'm sad that you felt of the sting of these insane policies. thank you very much for joining us. >> i want to say that my heart goes out to the tibbetts family and god bless them and i know what they are experiencing tonight and i'm heartbroken. >> tucker: it's unimaginable. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: one school district says, keep in mind is a revolution going on so you will be shocked by this, students can wear basically whatever they want because dress codes are sexist. any dress code of any kind. cathy areu will lead us through the mass of sexism and dress codes next. advil is relief that's fast strength that lasts

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>> tucker: dress codes are a tradition at pretty much every school in the history of schools. if you want to go to school -- by the way, if you want to hold a job or look dignified in public you have to dress a certain way. it's probably worth teaching kids that lesson but at various school districts disagree. now say students this year will be allowed to wear basically whatever they want. ripped jeans, bare midriff, pajamas. administrators say it will improve fairness and fight sexism. cathy areu's founding publisher of catalina massacre, our liberal sherpa. are you for this? >> absolutely, i'm definitely for this. aren't you? >> tucker: i'm trying to think think it through. if there's no dress code -- if dress codes are inherently sexist, then why are we allowed to tell kids to wear anything at all? >> the girls felt that they were being objectified with the generous code. that's what they were saying this particular school district. they were saying the shorts were

too short, that that was a concern. that they were being told that the uniforms would cover their body parts because their body parts are distracting, that a female's body is distracting. legs are legs. why would a girls legs be more distracting than a boy's legs? so by removing the -- >> tucker: i don't know if that's a sincere question or not but let me just take it to the next age and asked why shouldn't girls be allowed to come to school topless? >> exactly. why are boys allowed on track teams allowed to run topless and women are not not allowed to be topless? in europe women are topless and is no problem because women are not as objective fight as they are in this puritan country of ours. >> tucker: obviously you've never been to europe if you are saying that. the opposite is true, but whatever. >> because in europe the women are topless on the beaches, but not here. here it's considered illegal. >> tucker: but not typically in the classrooms. >> not in the classroom setting. not at starbucks, but in

commercials. you would find people topless in commercials, shampoo commercials in europe. because it's normal and it's not distracting. a woman's body is not only an object, it's not just sexual. >> tucker: try that in downtown rome and then call me, get back to me and tell me how that works for you. if there is no dress code would you have a problem with kids coming to school, anglo kids, in a sombrero or a kimono? or inacio for inuit outfit? without the cultural appropriation the one exception? >> if it describes distracts hn they are not allowing it. if it doesn't distract if they are allowing it. it's a democracy actually. >> tucker: just to be clear -- not democracies, they are authoritarian institutes. topless, okay, sombrero, not okay. >> who's to say that parts of

the body are okay and parts are not okay? >> tucker: we will invite you back to explain that. shannon bream has an exclusive interview with one of the jurors from the paul manafort trial which should be interesting. that's "fox news @ night" tonight at 11:00 eastern. sean hannity right now. >> sean: thank you, welcome to "hannity." 462 days into robert mueller's witch hunt, still no evidence of collusion but tonight we do have proof the destroy-trump forces are working overtime not only to smear the president but every single person around him. manafort, cohen, flynn, papadopoulos all targeted specifically because of crimes that had nothing to do with russia but because they are friends with the president. dozens more of the president's allies now forced to endure what is excruciating, long hours, interrogations, new or serious legal threats and fees, all while the destroy-trump liberal media is cheering in unison for team mueller every step of the way.