rachel: after fox & friends.com for after the show.com and catch the answer on instagram. ed: see you tomorrow. >> [laughter] ed: we're going to celebrate tomorrow. neil: relax america, you survived it's the weekend but man oh, man what an incredible week. paul manafort is going to jail. michael cohen is going to jail. immunity deals are popping up everywhere. china trade talks are apparently going nowhere, north korea talks stopped going anywhere, jeff sessions is under fire again, and oh, yeah i forgot, stocks are breaking records, again. so quick question, if the world is falling apart, why haven't investors gotten the message? maybe because it's not about pro s but it's about profits and maybe because this probe is no longer about collusion. it's about something else good or bad we're going to ask former

whitewater council robert ray, and kick him out of office you might as well kick this bull market goodbye. the president says don't be surprised, did professor just say don't bet on that? and do you ever wonder what the late supreme court justice scali a would say about some democrats now to delay these brett kavanaugh hearings so we'll ask his son chris here and only here and then remembering robin leach, capitalist crusader the man who chronicled the 1% and then gosh danit, became one of them. so much to cover so let's get covering beginning now. very good to have you everybody i'm neil cavuto. the president just tweeting from the white house this weekend to fox jillian turn erin washington d.c. on what he is saying, jillian? >> good morning, neil the president is capping off a week of attacks against his attorney general this morning tweeting just a short while ago, jeff sessions said he wouldn't allow

politics to influence him only because he doesn't understand what's happening underneath his command position. highly conflicted robert mueller and his gang of 17 angry dems are having a field day as real corruption goes untouched. no, collusion so now a handful of capitol hill republicans tell fox news the timing of sessions potential departure could be after the mid-terms and lindsay graham insisting the bad blood isn't about the russia probe it's about the relationship between the president and his ag , that's gone south in recent months. the last time the doj commented on this matter was thursday, when sessions himself took the high road saying he's been focused on the president's agenda from day one protecting the american people, reducing violent crime and enforcing immigration laws. now this clearly isn't the only legal issue on the president's mind this morning. he's also taking aim at his former attorney michael cohen's guilty plea from earlier this week. also tweeting a short while ago, michael cohen's attorney clarified the record saying his client doesn't know if president trump knew about the trump tower

meeting, out of which came nothing. the answer that i did not know about the meeting, just another phony story by the fake news media. sources confirm to fox news yesterday that the trump organization's main attorney was granted immunity by prosecutors in the southern district of new york, to testify in cohen's case that source also said this happened a while ago, prior to the cohen plea. that's a wrap, neil. neil: jillian, thank you very very much so the president knew this week before everything with the attorney general that one is weird, just to pick-up the phone and tell the guy what you think but whatever that's fine. the fact of the matter is that the president generated a lot of interest in talking about the bull market and that it could all come crashing down if the democrats go after him. take a look. >> i'll tell you what if i haven't got impeached i think the market would crash. i think everybody would be very poor, because without this thinking, you could see numbers that you wouldn't believe.

neil: i don't know that was a tony soprano moment for me it was like i'm not saying i want this bull market to go away but it would be a pity if it went away if, i don't know. just kind of struck me as interesting. a lot of people we talk to an the street had the same feeling but did link the president to the success of this market, so pull him out of there. take a look. >> i think if trump gets impeached which i don't see why which grounds he would be, the economy would definitely be affected in a negative way. >> i don't think it's really dependent on him to be honest. >> i think it's definitely affected he's been doing so much to create more jobs here. >> the president doesn't have that big of an impact on the economy. it kind of goes where it goes. >> he's had a very positive effect on the economy, so if he was impeached i definitely think it would have a negative effect. >> then again i'm not saying it's going to happen but it could happen so you might have fun with that i throw that out to you on free basic cable. so let's get the read from john

layfield, and jessica what do you think of that going after me , kiss this market goodbye. >> it was one of i guess a more interesting things he said in that interview but there was a lot in there including like we should out law lying about the timeline of everything. i think that he has in looking at the latest polling good cause to say that the economy is doing exceptionally well under me. people are reacting to it the fox news poll for instance, the only issue area that he has a positive rating on is the economy. neil: that's a big one to have a positive rating on. >> with healthcare now. neil: he can take a bow for that and if he were, you know, under impeached? >> he does have a lot of credit but no, what does this say about mike pence the fact that the president is gone the vice president that he put in power the world is going to hell under mike pence leadership? that's essentially what he's saying and look most of the problems with policy has been put in place and they have in effect with the economy so if

something were happen to president trump and i don't believe that's in the realm of realistic probability, but if something were to happen, it's not like the old days the president says when he had say mckinley brings in teddy roosevelt because he wants to challenge the other side with a radical departure with the vice president in the modern presidency you bring in vice presidents that would carry on the president's agenda. so very little would change. neil: i remember that. >> but to john's point trump though has a certain thing where he can get people to do things. these are trump administration policies so yes, if the vice president pence came in, you'd still have these policies but could he get everything done? the tax cuts is not a new concept and trump got it done, and also he won the election. there were republicans before him that just couldn't get it done so he's got that special thing and i think without him the market would fall. neil: well he had full run of the table too. i'm not minimizing that it was a big thing but susan to that point do you or are you hearing from people that just the uncertainty of where this investigation goes?

>> he's been here before we've seen this picture before 1990s the clinton boom was a strongest rally that we've seen in american history, right? stocks went up 417% during that run. that's even more than what we've seen and we just crossed the longest bull market run. neil: this is up about 320? >> 322 something like that? neil: that's the bullish argument. >> and i think there's a big signal that the market has more to run on friday. we broke through a record high for the s&p 500 a closing high we haven't seen in seven months the longest drought in two years neil: do you guys think just the uncertainty of it normally as you reminded me on wall street that more of not knowing where this goes wondering about these immunity deals whose getting what and why, that it festers? a lot of people dismiss it. >> i don't think this affects

the market long term. i do think it's bad for the country and i think it does hurt the republicans in the mid-terms but as far as the economy and the market the valuations are down earnings are up 20 something percent this quarter and the bull market is revital ized because of these tax cuts and regulation. neil: jessica one of the things that comes up is democrats are potential grabbing the victory by pounding impeachment so much or hinting at it. >> actually in the past few weeks you've seen a big effort by nancy pelosi, chuck and would be in charge of impeached proceedings if we take back the house in november all coming out saying they will not go the impeached route they understand how polarizing this is. neil: but they say that. they say that. >> yeah, they do say that but actually i certainly believe that nancy pelosi and chuck schumer mean it. neil: you mean, i could still see them pursuing it. >> when you look at the enthusiasm gap, democrats have a huge advantage now and the latest polling we have an advantage. neil: i don't know we keep getting numbers like this market

and this economy those enthusiasm numbers go the other way. >> well the economy has been doing well but i would add that a thing that will get the gop dates to the polls is impeached which is why you hear every republican out on the trail saying if you don't vote for us, donald trump is going to be impeached. >> didn't that back fire on the republicans in 1998 and they got killed right after that in the election, because they impeached the president. >> it is a motivating factor if you look at the trump base which is about 30% there, and it's a mid-term election which is usually not as exciting as the presidential obviously, if you want to get them to turn out to at least match the baseline enthusiasm of the "resistance" by saying donald trump is going to go away and these are people who yes they like mike pence but they do like donald trump. neil: but even, i'm telling you even republicans melissa i want you to react to this i was talking to california congressman, a big fan of the president, and friends with vladimir putin who was saying by the way that the president is getting burned here although i've pointed out it's not the

fake news media that created these crisis. let's take a look. >> the president's being blackmailed this man was being blackmailed and the president, the guy whose mistakenly handl ing it so that every bit of the procedure isn't correct, he's not the villain. the villain is a person blackmailing him but no we don't get that at all. neil: but congressman is always trying to blackmail you and you wrote the check to make it go away. you're at least a co-participant in the blackmail, right? >> oh, well no, the person, yeah legally but what we're talking about is this massive pr campaign. neil: it's not a pr campaign. you're being blackmailed and you write a check to someone to get the blackmail to go away you are participating in the blackmail. all right i got a little upset with where this interview was going but obviously republicans he's been targeted in all of that but again he wrote those checks to silence these women.

it is what it is and it might not be an impeachable offense but i'm saying he is not without galvanizing this talk and that i would imagine worries the markets or could. >> well you're right about your blackmail point but the thing is for what he paid them it's like a drop in the bucket. it's like oh, whatever. >> it can be very small campaign violation. neil: but the difference on all of that but you're saying, you know, the idea that it could buy the election or the way its been so you're not worries about just looking through your greedy money eyes, right? >> [laughter] neil: by the way which i admire. you don't see that having an impact? >> no, i don't and here is the thing. again we've strayed so far from what the original purpose of this investigation was that i think regular people now are more than ever convinced that it is a witch hunt, that it is trying to go after trump. >> but the polls say exactly the opposite the support for the mueller probe went up 11 points.

>> well maybe the poles are right. neil: the americans want it wrap ped up like yesterday. they are getting impatient. >> that wasn't out this week. neil: it was actually the week before. but susan all i'm saying on this is this would not be the first investigation that has veered off course but i don't know how far off course and i don't know how the markets can deal with something that could be going on now for many months. >> some analysis has pointed to political influence obviously on the markets markets history has taught us when there's a democrat lick controlled house a republican controlled senate and a white house president that's republican, markets have under performed during that period. >> you hire an attorney to me it is to be expected you have a real estate guy in new york city the president, you have all of these associations with lawyers. you've got to expect this stuff comes out and i believe that the american public does. i don't believe the american public cares if it's a crime yes , prosecute it but i don't

think that affects the public. >> if they can pay their bills and have money in the retirement account and if you bought the day after the election any of the market at all and most strong stocks, you're up more than 30%, about one share that cost $215 at an etf, you made $ 72. you couldn't make that money ignition. people care about that. neil: i wish we had more time unfortunately we don't. i think what you're saying is make money not constitution, baby. all right we'll see where all of this goes in the meantime do you ever wonder where this probe is going? i think it started out with collusion. what if it's not about collusion any more it's just business deals and it's not personal. it's all business, after this. hi, kids! i'm carl and i'm a broker. do you offer $4.95 online equity trades? great question. see, for a full service brokerage like ours, that's tough to do. schwab does it. next question. do you offer a satisfaction guarantee? a what now? a satisfaction guarantee.

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neil: all right, we've got a lot going on with these immunity deals and everything else you already heard about michael cohen whose looking at jail time , paul manafort is looking at spending the rest of his life

in jail and a lot of this as we're seeing immunity deals granted to the national inquirer head and of course the former cfo of the trump organization what you make of that. let's get the read on how he reads all of this former white water prosecutor robert ray when you grant someone an immunity deal, obviously they feel they have something they can share with you that would make it worthwhile, but it can also encourage maybe just a false story, but your thoughts? >> i was always reluctant to grant immunity deals, because of course you have really no leverage over the person that you grant immunity to, other than the ability to prosecute them for perjury. it's not the same thing for example, as having someone in a cooperation arrangement where their liberty is at stake. they have pleaded guilty to a crime and the government of course holds the power with the sentencing court to either say

that someone has provided substantial assistance in an investigation. neil: so in other words they've already gotten what they wanted? >> right exactly. neil: but how do you know what you're going to get? >> so people refer to that as be careful and buying a pig in a poke you don't necessarily know what you're getting. neil: so what are we to learn from this and whose getting it and why? >> the reporting seems to suggest that the immunity deals have been in place for some time and that would not be surprising to me. neil: in other words pre-cohen. >> correct and remember michael cohen didn't make a decision to plead guilty apparently up until the very enter when prosecutors about a week before went had his lawyers and said hey listen either you move here or we're going to return charges against you by a grand jury, so it's not surprising to me that they would have had immunity deals in place in order to sure up their case. neil: but in the case of the cfo of the trump organization that's a very different reach there. what do you think it means? >> it's still a component of being able to prove the charges

against michael cohen. now, could it also be of some other benefit? of course, but i think that it's not surprising to me that that would have been put in place in order to sure the case up against michael cohen which eventually led to his guilty plea. neil: but what if it's not about collusion any more oddly enough it's veered to just business transactions that go back years. >> it sure doesn't look like it's about collusion. neil: but what does that tell you? >> these are all financial crimes this is paul manafort tax evasion, bank fraud, in the case of michael cohen the only interesting addition to it was the matter related to campaign finance. it suggests and also to me, what struck me about it is that if it was to head in the direction of collusion, i don't believe that robert mueller would have ever let go of that case, meaning the michael cohen case in the southern district of new york. if it had been me if i thought that was important to the ongoing investigation that was within the core of my mandate i would have not have passed it off to the southern district of new york.

neil: wonder if they're working together by the way? >> well they are all part of the department of justice. the special counsel is just a division of the department, but again, if it's within the core of your mandate you would not easily let it go and the fact that it was let go suggests to me that it is about financial crimes only. neil: that would be stunning if this whole thing that was really built on the russians colluding with rig the election with the trump campaign, that is off the table and now we're looking at age-old financial transactions that might or might not involve russians at all. >> and it seems to be become enormous interest to the democrats who i think are hell bent and determined no matter what is said with regard to collusion to head in the direction of allege ed financial crimes by the trump organization , long before -- neil: and there was any prosecuting over reach? the same was said of the clinton investigation that morphed into a relationship with an intern but wow that's weird.

>> certainly in the political domain and public sentiment i think the public is left to wonder correctly, what are we about here and where is this going? the problem is that prosecution is not linear. it's not a straight line thing. along the way you find things which is why within the mandate that any special counsel or independent counsel is given if you find things the legality along the way you have authorization to prosecute those matters but that doesn't takeaway from the fact that i had said all along that this investigation has a limited life we're going to be once we pass the election fast approaching 18 months and thereafter, the public has the right as the president has said -- neil: incredible. we'll have more after this. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. that's it? everybody two seconds! "dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure

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live right now the pope is in ireland, he is ariving there amid a crisis within the catholic church right now, some of the investigations and priest abuse have widened or at least reports of decade-long cases of them widening in the philadelphia area. of course ireland began all of this if you think about it the epicenter of the new storm that kicked off more than a decade ago with revelations of abusive priests that again go back many many decades and the vatican has responded all of this, the timing of this trip though couldn't be more problematic for the pontiff here he has tried to assure ireland still a country dominated by catholics although not nearly as many church going catholics that he says the church has a responsibility to speak out on these issues and will. that it has been tardy and shouldn't have been, and that he is going to be ahead of his and meeting with a number of victims group this is the first pope to do so, and to meet with as many,

not only in ireland but he hopes down the road in all of his stops including back at the vatican of course and rome itself. again it's going to be a problematic trip because the church's pr has taken a major hit as a result of this crisis, and what could be a catholic church literally on the brinkmst anecdotal reports, the donations to a number of key archdiocese and their campaigns have been dramatically affected by these ongoing revelations and the pontiff is trying to put all of this pack in perspective and say the church is still a good place dominated by good men and those who will do the good thing and the proper thing and not let this scandal arise. we'll keep you posted there with developments in ireland meanwhile also keeping you post ed on hurricane lane. now downgraded to a tropical storm but it is still bringing a whole lot of rain and flooding to a lot of areas in hawaii. fema administrator brock long

with us, thank you for taking the time. how does it look there? >> good morning, neil. well as you said, its been downgraded to a tropical storm but that's no reason for citizens in hawaii to let their guard down. they're still projecting more than two days worth of rainfall to continue to inundate the satan quite honestly we could see record breaking rainfall that surpassed what we saw last year with hurricane harvey. neil: administrator how do you deal with a storm that's so slow moving as far as hurricane and tropical storms go this is especially so, so obviously that makes the flooding factor all the more worrisome right? >> right it does, so any time a hurricane or a tropical storm is losing is moving less than 10 miles an hour, obviously it has a high propensity to dump torrential rains and that's what we're worried about right now more so than the winds, but the national weather service has done a really good job. this has been a really tough

storm for them to forecast and we're thankful for the support they provide us because it allows us to make sure we're properly prepositioned. it takes time to move things particularly when you're thawses of miles from the continental united states so we depend on them and their good forecast to make sure that we time everything appropriately, but where we are right now, we're prepositioned very well and we stand by to help the state of hawaii respond and recover. neil: you know we're so often focused on storms of this type on the eastern atlantic seaboard we tend not to pay as much attention to what's happening in that neck of the woods but how does the hurricane season look to you, what are you prepared for? just sort of lay it out for us. >> well, the seasonal forecast is always important from a personal preparedness standpoint we want people to really fine tune their preparedness. are they financially resilient? are they properly covered with insurance which is one of the biggest lessons learned last

year from hurricane harvey but at the end of the day it only takes one storm, and it's interesting to me that in 1992, what else happened that year was hurricane andrew hit in late august. neil: that's right. >> it was the first name of the storm in the atlantic season so regardless of what's forecast it only takes one to put lives in danger and create a large amount of destruction. neil: all right, brock long i know you have your work cut out for you but thank you very very much fema administrator keeping an eye on this now tropical storm lane hitting hawaii right now but a slow moving storm so a lot more dangerous than it would appear. meanwhile the north korean trip is off, the president canceling mike pompeo's trip there, it would have been his fourth, saying that he's not satisfied with the progress that korea is making. where is this going? bass pro shops and cabela's

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neil: all right, you are looking live at the pope he's in dublin, ireland right now he arrived a couple of hours ago. this was a trip that was planned before revelations came to light of an additional 1,000 cases of clair clerical that date back in some cases many decades. the pope was criticized for being late to respond to those developments, but he has talked about it in dublin this morning, this afternoon, if you will there saying that the failure of authorities of bishops and religions, priests an others to adequately address these crimes has given rise to outrage. the irish prime minister has also spoken to this and said the church need to do more. it seemed to lead to a bit of a tense exchange between the two but it has been told we're told will be very very friendly, that the pope is going to be meeting with a number of victim's groups

to try to speak, he says not only for irish catholics but catholics worldwide that this will not be tolerated and will not be allowed to continue. we'll keep you posted. also keeping you posted on other developments concerning north korea. this was to be the weekend secretary of state mike pompeo was to leave for north korea would be his fourth trip this year the president called it off abruptly yesterday saying he had not seen sufficient progress on the part of the north koreans to denuclearize and a foreign policy fellow at the independent women's forum, what do you think of what this means, claudia? >> this means that exactly as one might have predicted and some of us did. the deals between south korea and north korea between president trump's administration and north korea will not work, they're falling apart now. we're seeing what's happened with every deal that's been done neil: all right so we needed some measurable improvement or

signs that they were denuclearizing but what were we looking for that we're apparently not getting? >> well things like nuclear weapons leave leaving the country to be in our custody of some place where they're not going to threaten us and the free world. we were looking to things that i think north korea just isn't going to do. its given a lot of signs that are concessions in a small way. the return of prisoner remains from the korean war or what we hope they are, the release in the course of all of this just prior to it, some americans being held hostage, the partial dismantling of a mission el site the blowing up of a tunnel at their nuclear test site which can be cleared out. it's none of these amount to actually ending their nuclear program, just none of it, and that's the problem. neil there is unfortunately

there is no diplomatic deal that's going to end the threat from north korea. the very own pleasant reality is the only real solution is an end to that regime. a few people want to look at that. it's unpleasant, it's un attractive but that's what we're really up against. the deals won't work. neil: now the north koreans we're told were surprised by this development that is the canceling of this trip on the part of the president for michael pompeo to postpone it because they've been doing a lot of the right things returning u.s. servicemen's remains, re uniting north and south korean families not good enough. what did you make of that? >> no, look. these are being described as trust building measures. south korea where they have this appeasement happy president who is trying to build a federation with north korea. like rule one of governance is do not fed rate with the state, just don't do that, but these

trump-building measures look we can't trust north korea no matter what they do as long as that regime is there. it has no real accountability to its own people. it brutalizes them. it starves them, it en slaves them that's what its done since the end of world war ii. neil: but it's the only regime we can deal with at the time being so what do we do? >> well i think we need to make the mission how do we bring it down with minimum cost? unfortunately, neil the problem is it's really a problem. its been allowed to run for so long and under president obama's so-called strategic patience, we saw the considerable rise and military sort of regrouping and modernization of its two big patrons, china and russia. these are all things that the trump adminitration now has to maneuver around in order to deal with north korea. it's an incredibly difficult problem, and the real thing is one way or another, kim jong-un

's regime has to go. that's the reality, and could we bring it, could it be brought down from within? far preferable to what could be a terribly war. we don't want another korean war , but that's about it. the rest is the holding action trying to manage it but it's like trying to manage a psychopath in your neighborhood. you really don't do trust building measures. neil: wow, claudia thank you, i think. we'll see what happens. be well. all right, well he had only minutes to do so and by the end of the day yesterday, twitter ceo jack dorsey did decide that yes i will go to congress and testify just as facebook ceo mark zuckerberg had earlier this year but at issue is the same issue. why does it seem both these social media sites are so tilted against conservative media? conservative causes? conservative points of view? at least jack dorsey admits he's left leaning. what about the social site

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contributor jenna ellis saying facebook flagged her article claiming it doesn't follow the community standards and then just up and removed it from it site. washington examiner contributor with us right now. how did they explain what happened, jenna? >> yes, they actually haven't explained what happened. i received notifications after this article was being flagged as spam and saying it doesn't follow our community standards. i reposted a screen shot that was sent to me and tagged by a friend, and i tagged facebook and mark zuckerberg in my original post that asked why. those tags were immediately removed and facebook to my knowledge has not reached out to pj media or reporter tyler o'neill who first broke this story and they haven't given any indication of why this particular article that was definitely a conservative analysis of the michael cohen situation and favorable to president trump because it went against the liberal narrative why this was possibly suppressed neil: we did reach out to facebook they did give us this statement i want you to react quoting that we fished an issue

affecting our automated systems that caused some posts to be incorrectly marked as spam. we've restored the posts that were affected and apologized for the inconvenience. have you noticed that it's back on or no? >> well it is on the washington examiner's original site. my specific facebook post that i reposted is back online but the problem, neil, with this is that this is a very easy way for facebook to blame their algorithm when as we know with the 24/7 news cycle this is shaping public perception and when you're suppressing my content but a fellow contributor as well in the washington post, her favorable article as well, was also suppressed by social media and specifically facebook and so when you have this type of narrative and you're saying okay, 48 hours later now we'll restore the content you're suppressing not only the possible millions of shares like the president tweeted yesterday but you're also not really giving airtime to the fact that conservatives and specifically

christians will have some commentary that we would like to air to the public. my job in the world director of the public policy for the james dobson family institute wants to help educate americans and specifically faith-based communities what's going on in public policy so for facebook to suppress this for 48 hours and blame it on an algorithm is not really a sufficient response. neil: well they don't have similar algorithms for left-lean ing views so that's what we sort of breathe this suspicion, and jack dorsey of twitter is going to testify to congress on this same issue that popped up he admits he leans left he tries to police that and make sure his site is fair to everybody but again of those sites that are taken down or material that is taken down by and large are conservative, so i can understand your concern. what do you want to see come of these hearings in this case and follow-up ones down the road? >> yeah, well social media platforms are definitely private

platforms, and so this isn't really a first amendment violation and so what i think that conservatives should be calling for is transparency. we do sign a user agreement and there are community standards but none of them are openly transparent particularly on facebook that say if you're a conservative we're going to sensor your content so for specifically faith-based communities we need to be able to understand what's really going on, what the user agreement terms and conditions genuinely are so that we can decide for ourselves do we want to still continue to participate in these platforms or do we want to go elsewhere? neil: do you want to go elsewhere? >> i think we're thinking about it. i've certainly had discussions personally with dr. james dobson , and we're very concerned as a faith-based community to make sure we get our message out and for conservatives specifically we're looking at potential options and there should be competitors for facebook right now, they're really having the benefit of being one of the only platforms that are out there with a lack

of competition and so i think that conservatives definitely need to consider that as a valid option. neil: all right, well jen a thank you for taking the time. >> thank you, neil. neil: all right, jenna ellis. in the meantime despite the success proven pretty much this past week the record long bull market run that capitalism seems to be delivering the goods. there are a lot of people who say that socialism is better but i want to show you something, be careful what you wish for. this is how much it will cost you in bolivar, the venezuelan currency, to buy that one chicken. that's a lot. no bull. when my hot water heater failed it rocked our world. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they took care of everything a to z. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege.

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fox so i like capitalism and i think that its returned the world to the longest bull market no matter who you want to give credit to or not it's not about red or blue it's all about green you do well with capitalism you do well elsewhere yet socialism appears to be on the rise and that only surprises me because given what's happened in a lot of key races elsewhere this thistles where everyone seems to think it's like the gift that keeps giving socialism st. way to go. i want you to take a look of what's going on down south of our border in venezuela a country with a lot of riches and all of a sudden out of ideas, out of money, hyperinflation, out of control. this is making promises and commitments to people so much so that inflation can't be controlled. we're showing you the currency in venezuela and how much of it you need to buy every day items like a bar of soap, we've been showing you meat, basic staples

like milk and carrots and all of that. the price of these items have been doubling and tripling on a daily basis so the government is trying to slap a restriction on how much those prices can go up but there's no way to control it because they breed a black market where they go up even more and they're even running out of toilet paper we don't want to go there but it's a mess so we have asymmetric president and ceo vanessa newman on this. vanessa this seems to be going from bad to worse what's happening? >> it's horrible and i'm born in venezuela. i'm a venezuelan american and i track this and my friends send me these horrifying messages desperate, beeping all night and videos of the horrors and the lines and boxes, trucks full of cash that they are actually trying to buy and sell cash so there are multiple problems here one is it used to take all that cash to buy all those things and then the banks won't give you enough cash so you literally run

out of even the ability to do that, so you need a big bag, you can't get the big bag. now, the currency has been swapped by the president and by deleting five zeros like that's going to fix the problem and then pegged it to new currency. there's total chaos. the bank had to like shut down, reboot their computers, nobody can get money and they're starving. thanks to socialism, this criminal cartel has couched itself as a socialistic government, used socialism to starve 30 million people that they're basically holding as hostages and now they are fleeing the country. neil: how does this happen though, vanessa, because if you think about it sometimes when see this happen in countries that have nothing to pull back on venezuela a lot to, the least of which was oil. it's a country of riches and it had a lot going for it and then it was squandered all the way. >> well, it was the narrative of socialism posing itself as

social justice right? so when i was a little girl there, we had the bolivar was 4.30 to the dollar and the concord flew, you had huge amounts of americans because of the oil industry it was a phenomenally wealthy country and now what happened was you had some corruption, you had some in equality you had some political accommodations and they said we're going to over throw this system and make it socialistic and bring greater social justice and take that oil money and give it to you the people. what happened is they made beggers out of the people. they took control of not just the oil company but the other businesses and they give you handouts in exchange for your loyalty. this is what has happened. neil: all right now the president is doing everything to kind of fix this or have the government as you mentioned with this new currency to change it or rig it more to what he likes you just can't willie nilly do

that sort of thing but i'm wondering how the people are responding. eventually they get very very hungry. they get very very panic it and worried already 2.5 million have left, right? i mean many to colombia and elsewhere but what do you see happening? >> we think that there's even more people than that. a lot of estimates peg the number closer to 4 million. neil: really? >> oh, yeah. to put that into perspective because of course not all immigration systems track whose come through their borders as you know so we suspect it's much higher it's as if 40 million americans have left the u.s. proportionately and they're going to flood and it's going to get bigger. 15% of children are on the verge of death from starvation and they're seeing africans, the immigration is reaching the point of syria, you have higher infant mortality than syria and this is all because the narrative of socialism enabled this criminal cartel, drug trafficking cartel to seize

power, so it's just going to get worse. when you had the economic announcement everything shut down. i've got these videos of the stores shut and people went quiet and they're figuring out what to do so what they are doing is heading for the borders because they are hungry. neil: incredible vanessa thank you very very much. >> thank you. neil: vanessa newman we're following those developments but just reminding you when it comes to capitalism for all its problems it is not any of that. more after this. thanks to tena intimates with proskin technology designed to absorb so fast, it helps to protect and maintain your skin's natural balance so you can feel fresh and free to get as close as you want all day, and now all night for a free sample visit tena.us

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>> we have a prosecutor that has such enormous power that they seem not to want to rest until they talk to president trump. you know, are they going to talk to president trump about a business deal 25 years ago in europe and expect him to recount the details of that and if he gets the details wrong, all of a sudden he's a convicted felon? now, this is a terrible amount of of power and terrible situation. i don't wish this on anyone and why i've become a stronger and

stronger believer that we shouldn't have these special prosecutors period. it may be too late in this instance. they don't serve any good because they have too much power over ruining people's lives and trying to get people to give up information that may or may not be true. >> neil: and that was before the immunity deals we learned about the cfo of the trump organization and the media, and the head of the national enquirer, et cetera. so, it started this issue of prosecutorial overreach and whether it's a little too zealous here. former trump campaign advisor her, michael caputo, he was exposed to it and has a lot of legal bills because of it. michael, good to have you back with us. >> thanks, neil. >> neil: what do you make of what you're learning? and you know a little bit of maybe having been subjected to it and questioned by the mueller folks and all. where are they going here? do you know? >> well, long ago i came to the conclusion that they're not

investigating a crime here, they're investigating a man, the president, and trying to find any crime they can in order to bring him down. and i think, as senator paul said, it's very clear that this special prosecutor has far more powers than any other prosecutor in the department of justice, and they're using those to bring people in like michael cohen. you know? michael cohen, at this point, i think would plead guilty to just about anything, no matter what they said, even made up crimes, just to get a reduction in his prison sentence, and that, to me, is what this system does. >> neil: so, when you were talking to them, and i know there's some stuff you can't bring up. what were they after? what were they going into? >> oh, they asked me about michael cohen. i know michael, but i didn't know much about what he was going up to. they asked me a bit about paul manafort and a lot about roger

stone. i tend to be considered to be closer to roger than most of the other folks. they asked me a little bit about other people, but, really, i didn't get asked much about anyone named trump and, you know, when it was clear to them that i knew nothing about any kind of russian collusion, the interview was cut short. we expected to be there six, six and a half hours and we were there for just over three hours. >> neil: you mentioned roger stone. you know, he has been speaking, pretty forcefully, that he feels he's next, that they're targeting him. >> well, you know, i get that feeling, too. i talk to roger fairly often. he's a very dear friend of mine. i know he's not involved in any russian collusion, but i think at this point we're not even looking for russian collusion anymore over at that special counsel's office. >> neil: and i get that feeling, the way this is going, the direction in which it's going, it might have completely gone off that track. >> it sure seems it.

i mean, they were talking about russian collusion with me, but that was early may and that's a lifetime ago in this investigation. you know, now, we hear about a -- a lot more about peccadillos between the president and porn stars and things like that and those are the questions i was asked, but-- >> did any of that come up when you were questioned? >> not at all. they did ask me, strangely, about some jealous husband in new jersey and the context of roger stone. i didn't know where that was coming from. it seems to me they've gotten really far afield and russian collusion, while they probably still believe it, it doesn't look like they're getting any closer to it. >> neil: all right. let's say now you've got this immunity deal with the chief financial officer with the trump organization. where do you think that is going? >> i think it's going just where i thought it was going, when they gave cheryl mills and heather samuelson immunity in the clinton e-mail server scandal. we didn't know what that was about when we heard about it and later on we found out it was

really limited immunity just about their devices. i don't know what these two gentlemen, mr. pecker and the cfo from the trump organization are cooperating with, but i don't think just because they have immunity we can expect that they're going to-- that they're rolling on the president and creating some kind of a wave of charges against him. i'm willing to sit back and wait. i'm not getting too excited about those immunities. >> neil: all right. pecker is the one that gets a lot of attention because apparently the national enquirer has a vault full of stories and issues that involve donald trump going back many, many years. what do you think of that and where they're going with the immunity deal for him? >> i don't know. it's very interesting to think that mr. pecker's vault would be totally and completely filled with donald trump material when national enquirer covers space aliens to hollywood and sometimes it's hard to see the

difference. that vault might be interesting, it might be empty. i don't think that donald trump is the only topic mr. pecker was covering over there. let's just face it, i mean, in my opinion, neil, this is really getting completely wrapped around the axle of personal peccadillos. in my mind, you know, they were using personal money to address a personal issue that mattered a lot to the president personally. and to me, that doesn't sound like campaign finance violation. >> neil: well, of course, many a prosecutorial investigations have veered off course. we've mentioned many times on this show, you and i were talking about the clinton investigation, started on real estate transactions and ended with an intern and a dress. stranger things have happened. this may be going in the same sort of off court way, but it is what it is. where do you think this goes? the president continues to call it a witch hunt that he's being treated unfairly. what's your gut read on this?

>> well, i think, you know, i think you hit it on the head. these special prosecutors may end up with a vaunted theory of russian collusion or bank fraud or waterwater, but they always end up in the president's pants for some reason. i don't understand. they can't find anything so they go to, you know, to the personal foibles with interns and porn stars. i think america's rather tired of of this and i think judged from your previous guest, i don't think that we should be following these kinds much procedures for the next special prosecutor. it may be too late as rand paul says, but i think this needs to be changed and i think also, at this time, the president is facing a really difficult decision to make and that is, how he's going to clean out main justice. the folks who were pointed to main justice were trying to stop him from being president and now days, trying to push him out. they've managed to clean out

main justice somewhat, but the president's got to do more and that includes, by this time, attorney general sessions. >> neil: do you think the president moves to fire him after the midterms? >> you know, i don't advise the president. we don't speak. you know, but i've got to tell you, if i were to advise the president i think i'd make an announcement that, you know, demand that all the documents that congress has requested be returned to congress unredacted completely. every single thing they've asked for. if justice doesn't do that, you fire sessions and give the next person in line 72 hours to do the same thing. and keep firing them until they turn over the documents that are required by congressional oversight authority. i believe there's a lot behind those redacted comments and i think you'll find the-- >> and let me be clear because another guest raised this with me, if you were to fire sessions, let's say, within

rosenstein, you could have like a nixon saturday night massacre on your hands, right? >> right, i suppose you could, but we see some senators like lindsey graham coming around to the idea that the president deserves to have whatever cabinet secretary he desires and we also know that attorney general sessions has nothing to do with the mueller investigation at this point. he's made sure of that himself. i'm not quite certain you could paint firing the attorney general sessions himself as some kind after way to commit obstruction on the mueller investigation. what we need are those documents that they've been hiding and resisting and redacting before they give them to congress. congress wants them and they deserve them by law. it's a constitutional requirement and the justice department has to stop stonewalling and stop keeping the secret and we can find out exactly what main justice was doing in the run-up to the presidential election to find out to stop donald trump.

>> neil: i want to bring larry sabado in here, professor extraordinare. so much to get into here, larry because this is a week that the president said in light of all of these developments, the democrats are sort of notching this up to impeach me. be careful what you wish for because there goes the bull market. what did you think of that? >> i doubt it. i didn't see much of an effect when bill clinton was under impeachment and if you go back actually to nixon, there was an effect for a while, but when the new president gerald ford came in, people were so relieved, it buoyed the economic side as well. i don't think that's it at all. i think that impeachment is a bad strategy for the democrats for lots of reasons, but i don't buy that explanation that everything's going to go to hell in a hand basket if trump is impeached. >> neil: you know, i'm wondering whether bill clinton avoided that fate, not only based on the

idea, people in the senate debated whether, you know, what he was charged of and lying about an affair with an intern warranted high crime and misdemeanor, but obviously saved off impeachment, but was he also helped by the fact the economy was doing very, very well, something that richard nixon did not enjoy, that it compounded the bad environment for him? this president, too, enjoys a good economic environment. does that come into play? >> i think it comes into play, but much more important is pa partisansh partisanship. the question i have for you and everybody else, neil, why would you go through impeachment which is easy if your party has the majority in the house and why would you go through this if you know for a fact that it's going to fail in the senate. and republicans knew they couldn't get the votes when they

impeached bill clinton. and the democrats would make the same mistake. even if the republicans lost the senate, they'd have 48 or 49 seats. you're not going to get to 67 votes to oust a president especially in good times as you're suggesting. >> neil: i'm wondering whether they care? there's a rabid part of the party, go for him, we don't they he should be there and not thinking that through. to your point. the democrats say go slow on this, a, it hurts in the midterms and b, it's going nowhere because of the dynamics you discussed like getting two-thirds of the senate to go along. >> if you're saying that the activists don't listen to reason, that's true on both side, neil, i'm going to give you the award of the week for the most accurate statements. they don't care about the practicalities. >> neil: if the division is such and this investigation potentially has veered into other areas, i have no idea, but we've had a lot of smart folks

who follow this who think it has, play this out for me, how these --. >> well, of course, you have the election on whether the democrats gain the majority. if it's a couple of seats, then it would be more foolish to try impeachment. if it's a substantial number of seats i don't think it will happen because you're going to have enough democratic representatives who realize that if their term, the next two years if they're in charge, if their term is defined by impeachment instead of an agenda that is positive and relates to things the american people want and need, then they're going to be in power for two years. so in the end, most people in politics choose continuance in office. that's the usual goal. >> neil: you know, finally picking your professor brain here. you work with a lot of young people, young students. regardless of their political

persuasion, does this disenchant them? are they cynical? i mean, you've worked with many classes and kids over the years. you've seen shifts in opinions in presidencies and congresses. what's their mood? >> look, it's easy for anybody in this day and age to get cynical. you don't have to be young, but you're right, young people tend to be more idealistic, if i were to read their mood they're not happy for lots of reasons, but there's nothing unusual about that. it rarely happens that young people get excited about politics and move into it or turn out a the a high rate. my slogan in class for decades has been politics is a good thing. that doesn't mean every aspect of politics is a good thing. but overall, we have the worst possible system except for the others.

winston churchill apparently didn't say, but we attribute it to winston churchill anyway. >> neil: that's fine, it works. always good to see you. thank you for coming in on a saturday. >> no problem, neil. thank you. >> neil: when we come back here, antonin scalia, i wonder what he would make of what's going on here, reports that they want to drag this out and maybe delay the supreme court hearings. his son chris is here with some ideas. what's the strongman? it's a pea-protein, gluten-free pâté. (whistles) it's a burrito filled with plants pretending to be meat. here we see the artist making an attempt to bare his soul. it's just a gray dot. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as 8 minutes by america's largest mortgage lender.

>> and hear about a blue wave and i say why is there a blue wave? we're doing better now with jobs. today there are more people working than at any time ever in the history of our country. so, i don't think there's going to be a blue wave. i hope there's a red wave. >> neil: all right. well, the polls can be wrong. the polls are talking about the blue wave. of course the polls said one thing in 2016 and worked out differently the polls on the popular vote were right back then, but what people forget and

what the president and the true campaigner back then, this is a state by state electoral vote push and on that measure going into some of the key battle ground states, the president turned it around for himself and won. now, in those battle ground states like in pennsylvania, illinois, and where trade issues have become a big issue, republicans are facing an uphill battle not across the board, but in places. that's what you should be looking at and not necessarily looking at national numbers. because that will tip key house races and in other words, maybe be a signal that the house could or might not change hands. cat is here, and capri, you and i were briefly chatting on the break and the issue came up about democrats pushing impeachment. we've got a number of analysts on both sides saying for them that might be a big mistake. you say? >> i do agree. i think that it is a big mistake and for a number of reasons.

number one, donald trump won a lot of middle of the road traditional democrats. in order for democrats to win seats that are potentially pickups like the ones across the country that are being competitive. they need to make sure that they bring those democrats back into the fold that voted for donald trump. those people are not particularly excited about an impeachment press. number two-- >> even if they gain the house and once they're in there. >> if they gain the house and they're in there. if they do it, it's because they're actually also winning swing and moderate districts. as you mentioned this is a case by case, district by district, issue by issue race, whether it's a general election or a mid term election, so those folks if they want to win in 2020, trying to vote on trump with impeachment. >> and do they realize they do not get hillary clinton if they impeach him. they get pence.

>> some say the president without the tweets. >> yes. >> neil: the president says i don't understand why this is happening. the economy is on fire. what's going on here? what's going on? >> democrats like capri are very smart here. the reason that democrats have changed their tune on the impeachment argument is because it does not poll well. if you look at a recent quinnipiac poll, the popularity of special counsel robert mueller has been down about ten points. it's ironic that we're polling the popularity after special counsel. >> neil: it has picked up a little bit. >> just a bit. >> neil: the poll out last week that americans still wanted to wrap it up. >> right. but you look at the number of democrats, it's still pretty high about 79% that would like to impeach trump, but the independent voters here are the key and those are key in the states. >> can i bring-- >> and that overall number of people who would like for trump to be impeached is actually down ten points as well and that's moving in his favor. >> in the midterm elections we talk how important the independents are and frankly the number people say there are more

independents that are, you know, registered than republicans or democrats. that belies the numbers people may identify why one party or another. the independents, people maybe not crazy what democrats are doing and not crazy about trump, they have to make the decision, do we want to vote for democrats simply because we believe it's necessary to place a check on donald trump in the last two years of his presidency? i think that's where this comes in. and you know, we've seen a bunch of polling saying, ap just came out with a poll basically saying that trump's numbers are great on the economy, but basically not good on anything else, but as we all know polls aren't necessarily always the best indicator. >> neil: in the midterm, an economy might not help you. barack obama had a good economy in 2014 and of course, there was the health care law and all that and his party still lost seats. midterms are different. if you're happy with the economy and less inclined to go running out to the polls because you're happy. >> going out to the polls, let's face it, it's kind of boring.

not the most thing you have to do with your day, you have to wait in line and nothing fun at the end of the line. >> i disagree with tfrjts i think it's boring, but i still do it. >> neil: it's the core of our democracy. >> it is, but it's hard to motivate people and voter enthusiasm is higher than in the past for both parties, but higher among democrats and that's going to be the biggest struggle is trying to convince people to go out and vote. people are really-- >> and do you think it switches hands? do you think it happens? >> i think it's too close to call. i tell you what's not boring-- >> i don't think it's going to happen. >> what's not boring is having enough money in your pocket to pay for your kids, more than crumbs. >> neil: capri? >> i think it's more likely that they flip the senate than the house if that makes sense. i think it happens maybe by a small margin. >> neil: that's interesting. all right, guys, we have a lot more coming up on this. the fallout, if this happens the way they think it's going to happen, is this all a big nonevent? after this.

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>> all right. hurricane lane is now tropical storm lane, but still a doozy. still a lot of rain, still had a lot of wind and potential will i -- potentially still a lot of damage. and adam is in hawaii. hurrican had lane is soon to be tropical storm lane. it's been battling the islands, specifically the big island of hawaii, 30 miles or so to my right, to my east of where i'm standing. the video coming in there the last couple -- from there from the last couple of days is unbelievable when you look at the east side of the island where his hilo is located and the volcanos are right down the middle of the island, basically splitting it in half. the east side, they've got in

some cases over 36 inches of rain. the rain coming down and swelling everything, flooding, mudslides, it's been quite a few days for the folks in hilo and rescues continue there. the good news, the rain is dying down some, but the rain and the effects of it will be known for some time there in hilo which has taken the brunt of the storm. back here on maui, 30 or so miles to the west and north a bit of hawaii, we've had coincidentally brush fires. there are two, in fact, i can smell them from where i am right now on the north and west side of the island near a popular place for people to go on vacation. it seems like they're getting a handle on that. the rain hasn't come down as much as they would like in that area, but two brush fires, coincidentally in the middle of a possible hurricane, fire started yesterday, has been quite remarkable. as all of this goes, there's a chance you could get more rain and flooding and you talk to the governor and to the mayors on the island, they'll tell you,

don't let your guard down. >> i would just like to emphasize that there still is the potential for flash flooding and rain damage due to rain. >> mother nature is unpredictable. we dodged a bullet. it doesn't mean it's over, we'll have rain and wind and local flooding and we need to be vigilant and we don't want to let all our guard down. >> yeah, they did dodge a bullet in some places, neil. that's the issue here, the islands, the way they're spread out, the way they're turned, the way the volcanos and mountains sit, it depends where you are. where kona is located, they got a couple of inches of rain. over the hills on the hilo side, they got 30 inches of rain. there's a different and bands are breaking off. we've got heavy rain here this morning, a massive rain that will come down for a half hour and go away. the good news, it allows it to come down the hill and the worries when it rains for some time. the good news is this thing is

broken down to soon to be a tropical depression. >> neil: thank you. i want to take you now to dublin, ireland. the president-- i'm sorry, the pontiff, the pope, i should say is there, the first in 39 years. it comes at a tough time for the catholic church embroiled in reports of scandals dating back decades. the pope is taking this head-on as he travels in his pope mobile throughout the island. this will be a two day visit. he's acknowledged the abuse that's been rampant in the church in the past. he also went on to say the abuse of young people by members of the church can never be tolerated and will not be tolerated and our failure to address these repugnant crimes will not be allowed. he will be meeting with victims and victims' families and this will not be swept under the rug and that the catholic church is vital to the well-being of mankind and those forgotten by the church and abused in the past by the church will now be

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i'm sorry, because of what's going on, with all of these other stuff. >> well, i don't think he would be terribly surprised to see that the confirmation battle has been as heated as this one has been. he saw this coming, you know, long time ago. he was on the court when judge bourke was bourke. he was on the court to see what happened with justice thomas during those confirmation hearings. and my father argued that, confirmation battles were that heated in large part because judges had become more and more like legislators and that's something my father was not very fond of. so, you know, as long as judges were usurping the role of representatives elected by the people, the elected representatives would treat confirmation hearings like many elections. and i think we're seeing that. at the same time, i think it's pretty hard to take the democrats' arguments terribly

seriously, in large part because this latest version about the, you know, the investigation. it is really just the latest version. remember when gorsuch was first nominated schumer called op those hearings to be delayed because of the russia probe. the and then when kavanaugh was first nominated they wanted delays based on documents and now this delay. they do it so often, they keep going back to this well. i don't think that many people outside of their base take them terribly seriously, but, of course, they're just playing to their base here. >> neil: you know, i was thinking of your dad in light of brett kavanaugh and on the issue of roe vs wade and apparently, a couple of people we met, including a couple of senators paying these courtesy calls, that roe vs wade now set a law. what do you think of that? >> i don't know exactly what he said. i know what the senators say he

said. i don't want to get in the middle of those conversations and interpret things we're hearing secondhand, but roe vs wade has been law for a very long time and, you know, judge kavanaugh respects resident. he certainly did on the lower court. but i don't think that that means that, you know-- i don't want to guess in what he said to the senators and what he would do if a case like roe vs wade came up. you have to remember that the democrats-- they're saying he would be the vote to overturn roe vs wade, but justice thomas is the only person on the supreme court to say he would overturn roe vs wade. so i think that that is kind of a desperate plea. again, i don't know what judge kavanaugh would do if a case like that came up i don't think that democrats know either. >> neil: it wouldn't come up with that black and white in a circuitous route.

i also want to touch on your catholocism if you don't mind. your dad was a well-practiced catholic and all this time, having to see the pope in ireland and dealing what's going on in the church right now and addressing all of this. did your father talk to you about the catholic abuse and your brother is a priest and it's well-steeped in your family. your thoughts. >> i don't recall having conversations with him specifically about the abuse scandal. but you know, i saw him often during that scandal and it didn't seem to affect his faith. catholics aren't catholic because of priests and bishops, they're catholic because of jesus, who established the church on earth. and we also recognize that even peter made a lot of pretty big mistakes when he was alive, according to the gospel. so we recognize that the church is led by flawed humans.

i think i, like a lot of catholics, wish that the church did a whole lot more to get rid of these people immediately. i wish priests didn't -- took more consideration of the people, their flock instead of each other and the fraternity of the priest hood. i think that would have solved a lot of problems and i hope the church really comes down pretty aggressively on the people who committed these crimes, of course, and those who covered them up. >> neil: that's beautifully put, chris. not just a fellow catholic saying that, but they eventual. very good seeing you. >> thank you, neil. >> neil: chris scalia. a little more after this. bring you the fall hunting classic with great deals. like these muck men's waterproof rubber boots for under $90. and save $100 on this leupold lto-tracker thermal imager. with proskin technology intimates overnight for two times faster absorption so you can have worry free nights,

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a half, i think, to our deficits. we're going to pass that on really to my grandchildren and their generation. >> neil: all right. that was south dakota democratic congressman telling me last week he's not a fan of those republican tax cuts. fair and balanced his opponent jesse johnson. >> happy saturday, neil. >> neil: all right, your opponent is saying among other things, i think these are tilted to the rich. he's not quite in the camp with what nancy pelosi is saying, that they're crumbs and all that. your thoughts on this and where you ares distinct from your opponents. >> they're not crumbs. for the average south dakota family, $2400 tax savings every year. i think that's real money. we're seeing 4% growth in the economy, a number the experts told us two years ago wasn't really possible anymore.

our national debt. 21 trillion is indefensible. so the republicans can't just stop at these tax cuts. we need to make sure we complete the job and that's going to require some hard conversations about spending. >> neil: all right. what kind of conversations though? i mean, a lot of people talk about trying to get a handle on it and no one does. >> well, because any solutions you're going to offer up are not politically popular. i do think that we need people with a little bit of backbone and say things that aren't popular. i'll give you one example. when social security was founded in this country, the life expectancy for an american man was 64 years old. i mean, neil, getting to 65 was a big deal back then. that's not the case anymore. i want to make it crystal clear, i'm not talking about doing anything to people who are 70 or people who are 60, or even people who are 50, for them we need to make good on the commitments that we've already made, but for people my age, 41,

we have to have a real conversation about, does it make sense for me to retire at the same age that my father retired at. >> neil: do you think that everybody should get social security, even the very wealthy? >> i think, if you're going to pitch it as a pension system to the american people for generations, and if you're going to have everybody pay in, then i do think it makes sense to have that be a real pension system that gets paid back out. that's the money of the american people and i just don't know how we walk back on that kind of big picture commitment. >> neil: for everybody? >> right. now, listen, obviously if you're going to tackle a $21 trillion debt you have to be willing to have a negotiation. got to be able to find some common ground. i'm not a guy who is going to die on every single hill. we need to get to yes. the starting point for negotiations for republicans, gosh darn it, people paid in, let's have them get some of that money out. >> neil: elsewhere in south dakota, elsewhere a lot of

worries about this trade situation. it's had a big impact already op farmers in your state and others. are you concerned that this is going to offset all the good economic news, all the good market news and that it could get nasty? >> well, things are already pretty nasty, i mean, $2 off the price of soy beans means a half a billion dollars out of the south dakota economy. we don't even have a million people in the state so half a billion dollars is a lot of money to pull out of our economy. >> neil: are they worried? the voters you talked to, say, look, we love the president, he won the state handily, but are they getting concerned that, hey, we're hurting here and no one hears us? >> yeah, clearly everybody out here in farm country wants to swift and successful conclusion to these trade negotiations. i mean, i'm a free trade guy. i wasn't supportive of starting this trade dispute, at least not

in the way that we did. but now that we're here, neil. we've got to figure out a way to succeed. unilaterally walking away and surrendering like some of my friends on the left are suggesting, that's not the way to make sure we get more market access for south dak producers. >> neil: dusty johnson, following him closely out of the sioux falls. thank you, sir. all right, they are called superdelegates and to hear bernie sanders tell it, they are the only reason why hillary clinton was the eventual nominee. now democrats are pondering what to do with them. how about on the first ballot, just get rid of them? after this. . >> recount, recount! recount! recount! recount! know what? no, what? i just switched to geico

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>> remember that back then in 2016 where a number of bernie sanders supporters were saying, you know what? we're getting robbed here. the 700 superdelegates are giving hillary clinton an unfair advantage, winning on the first ballot and she did. and now they're gathering, what to do with the superdelegates and whether we need them on the first ballot. doug luzader is in washington. >> defang the super delegates. this is an issue that's divided the party since hillary clinton won the democratic nomination back in 2016 and it may cost the superdelegates a lot of their power. remember, back then, the images from the democratic convention when bernie sanders supporters were visibly angry about a

system that they thought was rigged in favor of hillary clinton in part because of the superdelegates. >> the hillary people can't get in their minds, the superdelegates, that hillary can't beat trump. the democratic party is hijacked by a high arcy that's corruption clintons on down. >> the super delegates include the party, former presidents, throwing their weight behind it without the actual voters. this would cut them out from the first round of voting. this is a nod to the young party activists. >> making sure that at the end of the day when the process is done to select the democratic nominee, that they feel like their candidate got a fair shake. >> we'll find out where this vote goes later today, we think, but one of the proponents the

change up against, the superdelegates to be out of the nominating process and they're mounting a campaign to oppose this. it reflects a generational divide, really, within the party. >> neil: and it's not as if the trouble goes away if the votes are delayed for a second ballot. if it tips that ballot wouldn't it be the same rage? >> i think the hope is that it doesn't often go to an is second ballot and generate that anger. but if it's a close call the superdelegates would play a role. >> neil: and democrats in washington are meeting on that very subject. we want to take you to dublin, ireland. the first pontiff to visit there in four decades. he's speaking out about the abuse scandal and saying that the church is on top of it. we're on top of that. thank you clients? well jd power did just rank them highest in investor satisfaction with full service brokerage firms...again.

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>> before donald trump and the apprentice, there was robin

leach and "life styles of the rich and famous" it was his i a idea, the hunch that the 1% would draw tv viewers. and his champagne wishes and caviar dreams went into the reagan era where it was born. and as leach saw it, they weren't the bad guys, they worked hard for their money, so what is wrong about the show about them enjoying their money. years later leach famously took issue with barack obama saying many of the uber wealthy didn't build that. >> what obama is proposing, you've got to cut right down to it, it's socialism. it is so ugly and evil, it doesn't work. it's never worked. and we went through this in britain until they were rescued from a fate worse than what's going to happen here.

you know-- >> you take great umbrage to that socialist description? >> well, of course, because it's the truth. he has one single answer for every problem that he has faced and that is let's raise taxes. that's his answer. let's raise taxes. taxes in his opinion solve all the woes and ails of the world and it doesn't. >> he says i'm trying to level the playing field. >> what is levelling the playing field? it's a cloway to say i'm a socialist. >> and raising his wealth even though fellow brits weren't embracing donald trump. you see what's going on in england, debating whether donald trump should be admitted there because of his muslim comments, what do you think? >> the whole thing is ridiculous, for overweight and overdrinking politicians from the labor party to stand up and

for wins be heard in a chamber where they shouldn't even be working. neil: leach was just as tough on hollywood celebrities who did not embrace their good fortune like when he went after british actress emily blunt who joked she wanted to revoke her newly acquired american citizenship after seeing a debate featuring donald trump. >> go home, emily, go home emily if you don't like america. neil: she was watching the republican democrat and that ticked her off. if she were watching the democrats, would not. but to rethink your citizenship because of that, i don't know what to make about that. >> it was probably a publicity statement, but if she really feels that way, one should never regret being an american or standing up for this great country. let her go back to britain. neil: they're all staying stuff like this. >> please, they're all hypocrites, you know that. neil: why?

>> they take all of our money and bad-mouth the country. neil: not you. >> never have, never will. you're the only person in a three-piece business suit in legislation. like a hotel tycoon. neil: he had a reason to laugh and laugh he did a lot. his chronicling of the very rich made him very rich as well. as he would often remind me over the years he leveraged his famous name and that even more famous voice. former "life styles of the rich and famous", robin leach had one of the more distinct voices on the planet. i'd love for you to do my answering machine. you've reached the cavuto residents-- how are you? >> i'm doing well. neil cavuto is driving his rolls royce along the beaches. i'm glad you have a voice mail that gets the device as the

thing a ma jig that goes in the furnace. let actors and actresses do what they do best, reading the written words of other people. neil: that's worse than tv anchors who read prompters, for god's sake. >> where do we go when we can't pay our debt. neil: that was awful, wasn't it? >> your hand in a hand basket and it was a terrible impression. neil: it was, but-- >> forgive him on a friday night. neil: robin, your career took off. you were born in brooklyn and people didn't know that and then the rest is history. he could laugh at himself because he said he was a good subject. he was that and so much more. robin leach, dead at age 76.

>> tropical storm lane brushing by hawaii's most populated island as we see, dumping record levels of rain and get this, screen right, major wildfire burning on the island of maui. adam housley on the ground as the sun breaks. elizabeth: plus, we're tracking robert mueller's next moves as trump again lashes out at his attorney general for recusing himself in the russia investigation. leland: live to phoenix, there's an outpouring of support for senator john mccain a day after he tells the world he has ended medical treatment for his brain cancer. ♪