9:00 a.m. eastern. come join us. have a great week. chris, we'll see you next fox news sunday. harvey levin: the objects people choose to keep in their home define who they are. this is... so what would talking to willie nelson be without this? what, these marijuana things? i'm harvey levin. this is the story of the country music outlaw who went against the grain his entire career, a career than spanned more than 60 years. ♪ on the road again ♪ i just can't wait to get on the road again ♪ willie nelson grew up in abbott, texas, dirt poor, and quickly discovered music was his calling. harvey: being on the road was wild. women and parties. you had quite the time, i understand. what do you know?

harvey: he soon became a superstar singer, songwriter, musician. but despite incredible commercial success, willie crashed and burned. - you owed a lot of money to the irs. - 32 million. and his personal life-- off the rails. traveling on the road is not healthy for marriages. harvey: there's a story about shirley. somebody sent her the invoice for the birth of a baby. not her baby, but your baby. but willie changed his life and turned things around, save for one indulgence. you had a house that was burning down, and you ran in to save two things. what were they? - trigger. - yeah. and a big bag of weed that was really good ( bleep ). willie nelson, one of country music's greatest icons. willie, i cannot thank you enough for doing this on your tour bus. thank you so much. it's nice meeting you. my pleasure. you, too. you, too. and the idea of talking to willie nelson on 4/20 is a particular honor.

well, how about it? yeah. - on your tour bus. - we're still here. yeah. i wanna understand how you became this prolific, amazing guy, and i wanna start with childhood. tell me what this is. well, that's a picture of me and my sister bobbie, who still plays piano with us every night, and she and i have played a lot of music together. yeah, i wanna start with your parents. well, they separated early in my life, and my grandmother came along and took over me and little sister. and my granddad was still alive then. he was a blacksmith, and i think i was helping him out at the blacksmith shop every day when he was shoeing horses. your grandparents were very religious. how did that translate with you? oh, i was raised up in the methodist church, and i went to church every sunday and went to choir practice every monday, and every wednesday we did different things.

so, yeah, i grew up in the methodist church in abbott and still have a lot of great memories from there. gospel music was part of your life. it still is, yeah. gospel music is still a big part of our lives. at our show every night, we play, i don't know, four or five good gospel songs. ♪ amazing grace ♪ how sweet the sound tell me about booger red. you had a nosebleed from... i had to do a poem at this all-day singing, dinner on the ground at somewhere out in east texas, and my grandmother had taught me this little poem, and i had my little sailor suit on, red and white trims, and i started picking my nose before i started doing my poem. and naturally my nose started bleeding all over my little red-and-white sailor suit. but the poem that she had taught me was kind of appropriate, i thought.

it says, "what are you looking at me for? i ain't got nothing to say. if you don't like the looks of me, just look the other way." that's fantastic. and that really does kind of resonate - with booger red. doesn't it? - it does, yeah. that's great. i love something you said once. "all we did was ( bleep ), fight, and throw rocks." that's about it. not necessarily in that order, but... which would be first? we fought first. this was a small town, and you grew up kind of as a country boy. willie: yeah, and our favorite pastime on sunday was going out and fighting bumblebees. we guys, or the young idiots in town would, you know, we got tired of fighting each other so we'd go out on sundays and fight bumblebees. and we'd come home with our eyes closed shut and talking about what a great time we had. that's especially dumb, isn't it? sure. it's exceedingly dumb. you grew up poor,

and i believe you picked cotton. you interacted with a lot of different people, different cultures. did that help you with music? i think so. just in the cotton fields, i was around african-americans and around mexican-americans, and everybody singing the blues, and i got a pretty good education out there. it was like being in an opera out there. it really gave you the kind of breadth of music that has kind of followed you to this day. that's right, in a natural setting. what better than a cotton field? you started gambling at a pretty early age, didn't you? we all do. don't we? one way or another. i'm betting that jessica is gonna beat both of us. how much you wanna bet? $10,000. you got a bet, but it's payable immediately. - and no tears. - payable immediately. you want some of this? what's the trick? i feel like there's some kind of-- - this can't be a real bet. - you probably won't have 10. that's probably what-- harvey: you liked gambling, didn't you?

willie: i do. i still do. and i'm not really good at any of them except maybe dominos. - you were in the air force. - that's right. that did not work out well for you, did it? well, not really. i wasn't really cut out to take orders, yeah. harvey: yeah, you don't seem like a military guy to me. no, no, no, and they realized that pretty quick. why'd you do it? i did it to get off the streets and get some food and hospitalization and clothes and all that good stuff, because when you join the air force, there's a lot of good things that you get with it. i also got out of there with some time at baylor university paid for by the air force. speaking of baylor, did you really say, "i majored in dominos"? yeah. and my baylor song didn't really go over that well. ♪ jesus was a baylor bear ♪ but jesus wouldn't cut his hair ♪ ♪ his helmet didn't fit ♪ but he didn't give a ( bleep ) ♪ ♪ 'cause jesus was a baylor bear ♪

they still haven't adopted it as their song, but maybe they will. maybe they will. i know what that is. that's trigger. yeah. tell me about when you got it and why it's trigger. well, my favorite guitar player is and was django reinhardt. and he had an old guitar-- d'angelico, i think it was-- and the tone was so great that i started looking for guitars that would have a similar tone. and i found this martin, and it was in a music store there in nashville. shot jackson owned the music store. and it had the tone i wanted, so i haven't quit it. - i've stayed with it. - is "trigger" after the horse? yeah. - harvey: roy rogers' horse. - roy had trigger. but there were times when you actually ended up pawning your guitar. oh, yeah, many times. yeah, i pawned it so many times,

i tell the joke that the pawnbroker played it better than i did. and you go retrieve it. i'd would retrieve it for a saturday night. i love something you said, that "the picking finger is the second most important part of the body." care to say what the first is? i forgot i said that. you did say that. it was pretty funny. - you were a dj for a time. - right. would you honor me with the way you introduced your show? this is your ol' cotton-pickin', snuff-dippin', tobaco-chewin', stump-jumpin', gravy-soppin', coffeepot-dodgin', dumplin-eatin' hillbilly from hill county willie nelson. where'd you get the dumpling eating? i don't know. it was kind of euphonious, you know? harvey: "rolling stone" has called you, justifiably, one of the great singer-songwriters of all time. didn't start out easy for you, though, did it?

willie: the scale of what i considered success was i was very successful when i first made some money playing a guitar that i didn't have to go pick ( bleep ) cotton for. so i finally had a way to get around that. and it was the guitar. so, hello, you know? the record executives were not initially crazy about your voice, were they? i don't know. i had heard that. i don't know. i'm just-- they didn't tell me that. they didn't tell you. ♪ i can't tell you what to do ♪ ♪ but she's not for you ♪ she's not for you yeah, i think my phrasing was a little scary for a lot of the people out there who really didn't understand. and sinatra being my favorite singer, his phrasing was fantastic. and i'm sure a lot of that is i listened to his songs over the years.

i'm sure i picked up a lot of his phrasing, and it really didn't fit the nashville sound, probably, that much, not back then. i have had the privilege of hearing your version of "my way." willie: ♪ regrets ♪ i've had a few ♪ but then again ♪ too few to mention and, willie, it is sensational. i know you're releasing a sinatra album. yeah. that must be amazing for you 'cause i know how much you loved him. willie: yeah, and it's-- you know, really looking forward to getting it out there and singing some of the songs live on the shows maybe sometime. but "my way" is such an incredible song, and it came out pretty well in the studio, so... it's amazing. it's amazing. and paul anka told me it's one of the best versions he's ever heard.

- willie: that's what he told me. - yeah. you had just incredible hits. "mr. record man," "family bible," "night life," you sold those for $50, a hundred dollars, just to make ends meet. and these were just monster-- well, back then it helped out, you know? it paid the rent. - did you ever get them back? - yeah, i got-- i got "night life" back, "family bible" back, through the years, you know? it took a while, but i did. "crazy" was such an amazing song. ♪ crazy ♪ i'm crazy for feeling ♪ so lonely did you ever think of singing it yourself rather than going to patsy? well, back then i wasn't selling a lot of records, you know, and patsy was really hot, so it just made a lot of sense to get as many patsy records as you could. and, fortunately, she liked "crazy" a lot. one of the biggest-selling country songs of all time, i believe.

yeah, it's all-time, number-one jukebox song. since you got a guitar in your hand, would you give me 15 seconds of your favorite song? well, that's kind of hard to do. ♪ when the evening sun goes down ♪ ♪ you will find me hanging round ♪ ♪ the night life ain't no good life ♪ ♪ but it's my life ♪ many people just like me ♪ dreaming of old used-to-be ♪ and the night life ain't no good life ♪ ♪ but it's my life i am so blown away

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and you live on it a lot. don't you? - yeah. - it doesn't feel confining to you? not really, no. i have everything i need here-- a stove, an ice box, a shower, and the whole thing. a nice big bed in the back. harvey: a long time ago, you kind of gave up the bus in favor of the four seasons hotel and private jets. it was easier to-- nicer to get around. i still enjoy a nice private jet ride every now and then. okay, you should. i know you have homes in various places, but this is home for many-- it is. i can-- you know, drivers and everybody else, they go in and they have rooms in the hotel with room service and all. that's cool. but i'm happy out here. harvey: when you were younger, being on the road was wild. women and gambling and parties. you had quite the time, i understand. what do you know?

no, i'm not interrogating you. i just-- i've read a lot about you, and i just heard that you had a great time on the road. as much as i can remember of it, it was real good. i read once that you ran into the hell's angels at some point somewhere, and you connected with them, and they ended up being part of your tour. - willie: still are. - how did that happen? well, we just kind of liked each other. a lot of the same attitudes and ideas, and we always were friends for all these years. a lot of people would say, "oh, my god, the hell's angels. they're scary. they're dangerous." they probably are. they protect you? well, i protect them and they protect me. it's kind of a mutual thing. is touring more important to you than recording? it's kind of hard to compare because you need both if you're gonna stay out here and seriously do music. you need to have some good studio time so you can keep making good records.

harvey: right. does one feed the other? when you tour it helps records, and when you record it helps touring? well, yeah, for sure. the record companies like it when we tour and promote the record, you know? plus, we enjoy doing it, whether it's new or old. "whisky river" is still a good song. "whisky river" is a great song. ♪ whisky river, take my mind ♪ don't let her memory torture me ♪ ♪ whiskey river, don't run dry ♪ ♪ you're all i got, take care of me ♪ do you keep up the same pace that you did 20 years ago on the road? 'cause i don't think you've slowed down. we're in san antonio right now, and you're about to perform. oh, i think we're kind of moving along at pretty much the same speed that we have been for a while. our shows are kind of up-tempo, good, high energy shows, and our audience seems to like that.

i got stuck in a massive traffic jam coming here because there were so many people who were coming to see you tonight here in san antonio. and i was looking inside the cars as we were driving, and it's everybody. it's young. it's old. it's different ethnic groups. you have a rainbow coalition of fans, don't you? yeah, i see-- they're all ages. i see kids and old people like me out there. that must feel great that you've been an artist for so long, and you connect with everybody still, 'cause most artists don't. i enjoy the audience. i enjoy the fans. you know, i'm-- i like the attention. who wouldn't. you know? so you love the applause still? sure. talk to me about smoking at the white house. i can't hardly remember that. there were several of us up there. - on the roof? - on the roof of the white house.

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and run into people like ray price. you know, i'd had a couple of hits along the way, but marijuana didn't really knock me out because i was a chain smoker, first of all. i'd smoke two or three packs of cigarettes a day, and they were killing me. harvey: did you feel that? that they were killing you? willie: oh, i had pneumonia four or five times, a lung collapse and all that horse ( bleep ). so i finally said, "well, it's gotta be marijuana or nicotine. i can't do both." and i wasn't getting high on chesterfields, that's-- so i rolled up 20 fat ones, stuck it in my chesterfield package, and i haven't smoked a cigarette since. did you give up drinking for marijuana? oh, i'll take a drink. you got one? no, i don't. i don't. i'm sorry. clearly this is your thing. willie: this is better for me. alcohol and i don't get along. i don't know a lot of people that it gets along with.

i lost a lot of good friends that way. at some point in your life you had a house that was burning down, and you ran in to save maybe two things. - what were they? - trigger. - yeah. - and a big bag of weed that was really good ( bleep ). couldn't let the police have that. it was, i think, two pounds of columbian weed. - it was. - yeah. that must've been amazing to run in and get those two things. it really defines you, doesn't it? i guess so, yeah. i guess so. honestly, willie, everybody i've talked to tells me you're the nicest guy they've ever met. you once talked about the allure of weed for you, and you said, "i can be a real ass ( bleep ) when i'm straight." i don't understand that, because nobody says that about you. why did you say that about yourself? well, i probably know me better than most people do, you know, and i know when it's time for me to shut up and sit down.

does marijuana calm you? willie: yeah, when i was drinking a lot, paul english, my friend and drummer, whenever i'd get too drunk and wanna fight everybody, he would roll up a big fat one and make me take a couple of hits. and i'm drunk already, so it don't take long for me to go straight to bed. so he knew how to get me out of the picture. you ever do harder drugs? no. i've tried cocaine one time, and i don't need to go faster. you're against cocaine, my understanding is. well, i can't say i'm against-- i think i read somewhere in the bible it's not what you put in your mouth that harms you. it's what comes out of your mouth. talk to me about smoking at the white house. i can't hardly remember that. there were several of us up there. - harvey: on the roof? - on the roof of the white house. - it was nice up there. - harvey: who was president? willie: i can't remember who all it was. harvey: i think carter was president. rosalynn? no, no. it was jimmy.

oh, jimmy. well, doggone it. - willie: short term. - harvey: you were that high that you-- ( both laugh ) and i want to say again how much i've enjoyed seeing all of you, and thank you again, willie nelson. it was just absolutely wonderful. thank you, all of you. it was great tonight. no, i had fun at the white house. we went bowling. they had a bowling alley down there, and we saw a movie down there. it was-- slept in the lincoln bedroom. - harvey: oh, wow. - willie: yep. did you smoke in the lincoln bedroom? no, no. even you, that would be a lot. no, no. that's not cool. so you're not gonna tell me who you smoked on the roof with. - no. - okay, that's fair enough. well, talk to me about smoking with snoop, because that must have been - quite the contest. - oh, yeah, snoop and i, we're old buddies. we hang out a lot when we get a chance to make music together. we did a song called "roll me up and smoke me when i die." harvey: i love that song, by the way. so how do you travel when you're kind of known for this?

there are states, like here, where marijuana is not legal. well, we've been fortunate some of the times, and some of the times we haven't been. it depends on where we are, the attitude of the venue, whatever. most times, people are very liberal thinking at a concert venue, and they don't really get-- crack down that much on if you're drinking a little too much or whatever. they kind of let it slide. how often do you smoke? i don't know. - that much, huh? - yeah, well... i was trying to think when i wasn't smoking, and i haven't come-- you know. - fair enough. - yeah. i've been married four times, and traveling on the road the way i do and did or whatever, is not healthy for marriages. there's a story about shirley, that i guess that fell apart

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willie: i've been married four times, and traveling on the road the way i do or did or whatever, is not healthy for marriages, i don't care whether it's me or whoever. and the last 32 years, i've been lucky to be with, you know, a lady that understands me. we travel together or we don't. very independent-thinking. so we managed to hold it together and raise a couple of great kids. harvey: there's a story about shirley that i guess that fell apart when somebody sent her the invoice for the birth of a baby. i could see how that would upset her. yeah, not her baby, but your baby. that kinda did it there, didn't it? well, it didn't help the situation. you know, you have, um, a band that is with you all the time, and it's almost like the band becomes your family on the road. - i mean, is that fair? - willie: very fair. we are family.

do you see the band as much as-- more than you see the kids? well, yeah, i do. you know, unfortunately, but that's just the way it is, was. - it's part of the profession. - part of the deal, yeah. you have eight kids. billy died tragically, apparently hung himself. how'd that affect you? 'cause that's just a terrible thing to have to endure. - move on. - just move on? how involved are you as a dad? 'cause you have a lot of kids. do they come to you for advice? oh, they have, occasionally. mainly, i hope they just watch me and learn to do the opposite of what i'm doing. that's what i told ray price, that "i learned a lot about what not to do just by watching you." so, the same way with me and my kids. i hope they watch me and not make the same mistakes i made. well, you've also done a lot right.

so, at this point in your life, you've been married for more than three decades to the same woman. you've got two kids who are following in your footsteps. you've got a sister who's with you all the time. seems like, when the dust all settles, you have a very tight, loving family. i do. very fortunate. that must feel really good, after the ups and the downs that it just seems like it's a very... - very solid, yeah. - ...loving family. yeah. that's part of the success of life, isn't it? hopefully, yeah. that's more than you could ask for. - you owed a lot of money to the irs. - 32 million. that must've been a tough period for you. bee spears said, "well, i think they should be the ones who should be worried. to let a guitar player from abbott, texas, get into them for 32 million, they're not that ( bleep ) smart."

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tell me a little bit about why you recorded this. well, these songs are songs with just me and my guitar, that i put in the studio and left it there over the years. and through the years, whenever i want to put down

some new songs that i'd written, i'd go to the studio just me and the guitar, and put down just an acoustical version of it. and so i had a whole lot of songs over there. so, when the irs thing came along, i just offered them a deal. i said, "i'll make you some irs tapes. you get so much per record, and we'll go on until everything's paid." ♪ and when i remember how things were ♪ ♪ my memories all lead to her ♪ ♪ i'd like to start my life anew ♪ i'm an attorney, and i've never heard this before. you partnered with the irs with this cd. - absolutely. - that's amazing. - and it did well. - it did well, and they were glad, i was glad, everybody's happy. guys came by with pencils, and-- that's fantastic. before you did this and dug yourself out of the hole,

you owed a lot of money to the irs. - 32 million. - $32 million. newscaster: nelson fans journeyed from across the state for today's auction, many hoping to take home their own piece of the red-headed stranger. harvey: they seized ranches, homes. they seized recordings. that must've been a tough period for you. willie: bee spears played bass for me back in those days, and they asked him if-- if i was worried. and bee spears said, "well, i think they should be the ones who should be worried. to let a guitar player from abbott, texas, get into them for 32 million, they're not that ( bleep ) smart to begin with." which i thought was pretty cool. that's pretty cool. ultimately, you got out of the hole and i know price waterhouse ended up making-- we made a deal, and everything's worked out.

- and things are good now? - things are great. i want to get into just a couple of the bumps along the road. you've been arrested a lot for weed. it would've been so much easier to drink, i suppose, than being thrown in jail for something as ridiculous as, you know, smoking marijuana. no, 'cause i know... weed's better for you than alcohol. - it is. absolutely. - period. but that's not the way the law saw it. yeah, they'll learn. my understanding is that you've been arrested so much, that the police now see you and they get you and they generally don't do anything. well, and-- yeah, and they can come see my show, and see if i remember any of the lyrics. - is that a defense? - yeah, and, you know, if they can't, at this point, see anything that pot is hurting me for, except getting thrown in jail for it, but that's a learning experience for all of us, you know. it's funny because we're in texas

where the laws are really strict. - yeah. - they're not bothering you. no, and they haven't for a long time, and that's cool. i think most of the people out there, the people who know what's going on, know that eventually the marijuana thing will get a little better in texas. it got better in california. it'll get better everywhere. it takes time for people to grow up and vote for it. love this story. back in the '80s, when you moved back to abbott, texas, somebody put a billboard up, and it said, "town of willie nelson," and you weren't crazy about the billboard. well, i-- you know, it wasn't something that i wanted to see up there a lot. what'd you do? i heard it got burned down. you did, huh? well, i heard you did something very noble, that it did get burned down and that they fingered somebody else. and you said, "that's not fair,"

and you came forward, didn't you? yeah, i did. they was trying to throw some kid in jail for doing it, and he didn't do it. this is your version of "three billboards." yeah. ♪ mama, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ ♪ don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ ♪ let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such ♪ you became extremely famous and successful being called an outlaw on stage, kind of an outlaw singer. did that kind of filter in to other parts of your life, or was that just a stage persona for you? it was not a big stretch for me to be the guy that they thought was, you know, the outlaw. i didn't have to really change anything to be that guy. my hair was already long, and was already wearing bandanas, so if that was enough to give them the outlaw thing, cool.

i'll accept that. so people talk about you as being a hell-raiser back in the day. how do you think of yourself today? whatever the opposite of a hell-raiser is. - is that what you are, the opposite? - that's me, yeah. you once said, "if i meet a musician who has different political and religious views than mine, those differences dissolve the minute we start to play." - music brings people together. - it does. what do you think about the current political climate? i mean, it's so divisive right now, nasty. plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce

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tell me about this. it's a new record called "last man standing." me and buddy cannon put it together and wrote the songs, and it's got some pretty good songs in it. ♪ i don't wanna be the last man standing ♪ ♪ oh, wait a minute, maybe i do ♪ ♪ if you don't mind, i'll start a new line ♪ ♪ and decide after thinking it through ♪ my understanding is you've written 3,000 songs, maybe more. probably. i don't know. they're not just wonderful songs, but the words are just so powerful. where does that come from in you? i don't know. i'm just fortunate enough to be able to put down what i'm thinking and put a melody to it, and like harlan howard says,

"country music is three chords and the truth." and that's pretty-- that's pretty close. i wanna talk about a little bit just about your social activism. you are a liberal guy politically, and your audience is not necessarily that. yet they don't have any problem with that. and in our society, that seems to be the deal breaker. not with you. willie: i don't mix politics with the audience. they would never know what my political mind is just by our show. they shouldn't. it's not part of the deal. i don't care what they think about anybody. it's their prerogative. i just got a new song, that if you don't like who's in there, vote 'em out. that's what election day is all about. yet there are so many entertainers who take political stands and alienate part of their audience. well, that's their choice, and they probably maybe did or didn't know

what the repercussions could be. but, you know, taking on this or this and trying to incorporate it into your music, i find it hard to do. i just go out there and sing "whisky river." i don't care if you're a baptist or a methodist. don't bother me. you were one of the first celebrities to get involved with the occupy wall street. that was a big deal for you, wasn't it? willie: yeah, i think i'm kind of a supporter of anybody who's got something they wanna go out and do for freedom and for the rights of everybody. i'm for that. - you're an animal rights activist. - yeah. do you eat meat? i will eat a little bacon every now and then. i don't eat too much steak, because i just don't, but i eat a lot of bacon and eggs. climate change is a big deal for you, and you've written about it, you care about it. well, i know it's a fact, so whether you believe it or not,

i think climate change is a real deal. what do you think about the current political climate? i mean, it's so divisive right now, nasty. yeah, i don't pay no attention to it. i listen and laugh a lot, and i'm not getting into it. you once said, "if i meet a musician who has different political and religious views than mine, those differences dissolve the minute we start to play." - music heals-- music brings people together. - it does. it does, absolutely. harvey: willie, i love how you got passionate about martial arts. oh, cool. are you into martial arts? i love ufc. i'm a big ufc fan. i don't do it. but you're really into it, - and accomplished. - well, thank you. harvey: how did you decide to do it? because when you were 81, you got your fifth-degree black belt. willie: when i was a kid, growing up reading comic books, reading about judo and jujitsu

and all those things that-- charles atlas bodybuilding and all that, so i grew up thinking physical activity, and i did a lot of sports and a lot of boxing in school, and it was just kind of natural that i moved into martial arts. everybody told me, "do not ask him to demonstrate anything because willie nelson can kick your ass." they told me to watch out for you, willie. do you still do it? i mean, you practice it? oh, yeah. i've got a bag in the back, and i punch it a lot, and i got some kicking bags in and around over the country. you haven't slowed down at all. have you? i try not to, you know? how do you feel? pretty good. pretty good. uh, getting ready to be 85. - gosh. - and, uh, might as well take me over to the sausage factory, i guess.

thank you very much. ( crowd cheering ) thank you. i know you have a show to do, and i am deeply honored that you spent some time with me. thank you so much, willie. - enjoy the show. - thank you so much. - you're welcome. - really appreciate it. - enjoy the show. - thank you. ♪ whiskey river, take my mind ♪ ♪ don't let her memory torture me ♪ ♪ whiskey river, don't run dry ♪ ♪ you're all i got, take care of me ♪ ♪ whiskey river, take my mind ♪ ♪ don't let her memory torture me ♪

♪ whiskey river, don't run dry ♪ ♪ you're all i got, take care of me ♪ good evening everyone and welcome to the next revolution. i'm is steve hilton. here with me tonight in los angeles is lisa boothe and charlie kirk. we'll also be joined by someone with bomb shell allegations against joe biden. we'll also take a moment to remember the life of john mccain. i was in hawaii last week with my family and spent most of it waiting for a hurricane. the real storm was on the east coast with the dramatic courtroom