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2010 you moved to washington, d.c. became news editor for townhall.com, contributing editor town hall magazine. fox news channel contributor and alternate co-host for "the five." you are ubiquitous, as are you candace. candace, you're known for your commentary. you are the director of urban engagement at the conservative advocacy group turning point usa. pursuing undergraduate degree of journalism at the university of rhode island. you left school, you said that's enough. you launched social autopsy.com in 2016, a website, where you were exposing bullies and so forth. now, this is very interesting to me, you really come from different backgrounds. your both conservatives, is that correct? >> correct. >> correct. >> and you came at it from a completely different direction. this is something i think about all the time, how to appeal to people, to reach out to people, people from different communities, different

backgrounds. i personally think conservatism is the glue that holds society together. why are you a conservative? >> well, as margaret thatcher used to say, the facts of life are conservative, and i think that's really part of who i am. i grew up in a conservative household, my parents were small business owners so it just was kind of part of who we were. they never sat us down and said this is the left believes, this is what the right believes, republicans, democrats, more of a conversation piece and wrote a letter to bill clinton when i was six years old about taxes and unfair he was taking our money and we didn't get to spend his money. he wrote back with a junior argument about paying fair shares, that's when it really started. i'm the daughter of american revolution, my grandpa fought in world war ii, lots of family members in the military, and it was part of growing up for me. i didn't realize until high school that the man wearing a cowboy hat on the poster in our garage was actually ronald

reagan, so my parents just, it was how we were, i grew up on five acres of land in flagstaff, arizona and lived a conservative lifestyle. personal responsibility, being self-sufficient, being responsible for our own actions and futures and pursuits, that's why i'm a conservative. it is part of who i am. mark: candace, you didn't grow up that way? >> i did not. mark: a fairly recent conservative. how did you reach that point? >> well, i like to say now that the reason i'm conservative is because i used to be a liberal, and i learned a lot. obviously growing up in a black household, there's a lot of emphasis placed on black people today being liberals, being democrat, pretty much programmed into us via the public school system that that is the only option for us because republicans, of course, are racist, and they want to harm the black community, and i had a different experience in life realizing that everything my life seemed to be going wrong. i was blaming the world for everything that was going

wrong. there was no personal responsibility because a lot of the liberal movements you are essentially taught there is always someone else can you blame, and pointing the finger at everybody else, not looking internally to fix things and find things continue to go wrong. during the 2016 election cycle, i was watching our wonderful president take a run for the white house, and the conversation was very strange, the rhetoric that the media was using was extremely aggressive. they were trying to convince me he was a racist, he was a sexist, he was a misogynist, at one point he was incestious, they started the story about ivanka trump and that he was a rapist. i said this was strange. i grew up listening to hip-hop music. trump was glorified in a lot of the songs, all of a sudden they wanted me to believe he was a racist. i had to ask myself in the moment, is it plausible racism is used as a theme to turn

black people into single issue voters. the answer is, of course, yes. mark: what does conservatism mean to you? >> conservatism to me is limited government, liberty and sticking to the constitution and realizing that government is not the solution to almost anything. that your community, your family is the solution to everything. going back to the beginning of the country, we rejected this communal way, style of living, going back to the pilgrims coming here. being conservative is about making your own decisions, deciding on your own future being and responsible when you fail, learning from the failures and being able to move on and be successful in your own right not having to depend on other people to make yur success for you. obviously, you go through life and you have partnerships and bosses who promote you and give you opportunity, but it's up to you to take the opportunities and pursue them in a way that makes the you successful. mark: what does conservatism mean now is. >> if you look at the inverse, liberalism means bondage and

conservatism means freedom, the freedom to choose, the freedom to have responsibility to go after things in life. it's the founding principles of this country, that any person who comes to this country with the clothing on their back and make something of themselves. i learned conservatism through my grandfather, i didn't know that was the name of the i didn't know these were conservative principles. starting his life on a share cropping farm. working tremendously hard. five years old picking cotton and laying tobacco out to dry on a farm. and today he owns that farm. that was the american dream, and we lost that, we gave that up as government got bigger and the individual got small jeer this is all quite important from a philosophical perspective. you just related it to your own family. is conservatism about individualism? >> absolutely. >> is conservatism about a circle of liberty that surrounds each individual? that government must never penetrate?

is this an appealing idea among young people today and college campuses today. when i was a young guy, a little while ago, i was fighting, i was in the minority all the time, because the professors weren't different, they were collectivists, tenured, some of them were marxist and it sounded so cool. we had to fight this, and i thought the people who fought it were the smarter ones. is that what's going on today or is it worse in our colleges today? >> i than parents get nervous about sending their kids to college because they're concerned about the indoctrination, for me going to a liberal university and having that combative role with professors in the political science department and the journalism department finalized why i am the way i am. i was challenged every day and had to defend myself and come up with another side of the argument that was valid. when it comes to other students, i was leading the

charge to bring conservative speakers and fighting the administration because they were infringing by charging ridiculous security fees. i would say the campus environment maybe hasn't changed, it is pretty bad. i speak on college campuses a couple times a semester and no room for thought outside of the marxism and the socialism. what i learned is the students may buy into that, but when you ask them what socialism means, they can't define it. when you start pointing things out like each and every one of you are wearing a different pair of shoes and each and every one of you have a different style backpack or different ipod or phone case and seems simple but the fact is they are individuals on every single level of their life, and socialism and communism and marxism don't allow them to do that. you can never blame students especially for something they've never been told. i feel it's my obligation to simply present the other side of an argument of an idea that they're not getting inside of

their classrooms. and oftentimes, i always ask people who disagree with me to come. tell whatever group that is hosting, invite the college democrats, socialists, invite people to listen, professors who are saying horrible things about my speech even though they have never met me or know who i am or what i'm going to talk about. they may come in disagreeing with me and may leave disagreeing with me, the rewarding thing is when students say i walked in disagreeing with you, i still disagree but know where you're coming from. and even better is when they say i totally disagreed with you and now i agree with you and now i'm going to tell ten friends tonight. mark: you are a journalism major. >> correct. mark: i was your major. was it hard left? were they indoctrinating people? is that why journalists are almost to a person, few exception, speak, sound, make the same noises on tv and radio? >> that's correct.

it definitely is indoctrination, i will say, this it's much worse today than when i was in school, talking about a difference of five years. what i had observed on college campuses this year. mark: you are on campus often. >> we do college campus tours, it's terrifying, the idea it's virtuous, you can't speak as a conservative on campus without being boycott, without being protested, without students lining up and playing music loudly so they can drown out the sound of your voices. we're not speaking about anything controversial at free market usa and the students hate that. and they don't hate that as katie mentioned, they don't hate that because they formed these ideas. they hate that because they have been indoctrinated to hate. that i say college campuses are literal liberal indoctrination camps and that's why i understood in terms of we wanting to wake up black america which is my highest

priority, that is an extremely important vertical to hit. how i ended up as a liberal. ended up thinking that socialist principles could save the world. the most important battle we're facing in this country and what conservatives did wrong is handing over the school systems to the left, it is the most important battle we are fighting today. mark: this is a great point. it essentially is a monopoly, an ideological monopoly and we're told academic freedom and free speech, when i was going to colleges, though i was a minority from a philosophical perspective, they would hear you out. we had a few conservative professors. there's less and less of that. we have this ideological monopoly that's calling that on the college campuses. there's thousand of them. there's a few exceptions, they're the exceptions, what do we do about it? >> i would say we need more conservative professors, but that is not the easiest feat in the world.

>> i would say this, the faculty is incestious, they pick from their own schools, they pick people who are their own ideology. i've been looking into this myself, how do we break the back of this monopoly? >> we have to look at the fact that taxpayers are funding these government institutions, so we call them public schools, they are government institutions especially when it comes to universities, they are constantly going to state legislatures and asking for more money for less productive work and less results. universities on the public level, the government level are not responsible for anything that they put out. so they don't care if you go for four years, five years, six years as long as you are paying money, they don't care if you get a degree in sociology, there's no results, not trying to get people a job. how do we change that? talk to state legislatures how the universities are taking tax money and not producing any real world results of students who can then go get real jobs instead of being $100,000 in

debt over a women's study. mark: pull bactfunding? >> pull back the funding, look at what they're spending money on. when i was in college i would go on a radio show every single thursday and expose what's inside the universities, inside the classroom, what professors were saying inside the classroom. what they were spending money on. they built a fake border wall across campus. mark: somebody built a wall. >> and those are the things that student fees are going toward, what parents are paying for, exposing that from the inside out is important because alumni can look at it and say i'm no longer going to give my money to the universities. i'm going to give to conservative organizations that are making a difference on campus. suing universities is key, too. they think they're not going to be held accountable by anybody when. they're infringing on the rights of students, organizations have sued on behalf of students, adf has sued to say look, you think you can bully students out of first

amendment rights by bringing conservatives because you offer a different point of view? we're not going to offer that anymore, constitutional rights apply on and off camp us. >> when we come back, i want to know what you think we should do about the ideological monopoly on campuses. i think it is the biggest problem we face when it comes to young people in this country. don't forget to join us almost every week night on levin tv. go to crtv.com/mark. crtv.com slash mark and join us or give us a call at 844-levin tv. 844-levin tv. by the way, notice how patriotic our guests are. red white, blue, and they did not plan it. >> we did not plan it. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple.

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them and wrote them a one million dollar check. i say excuse me? you wrote them a one million dollar check, you don't recognize the school? what katie is hitting at is correct, funding the problem, not the solution. part of it is empowering the student government races are so important. these presidencies on campus, they control a large budget and they determine who gets to come speak, and they can block speakers. so it's about that as well. making sure that the students conservative principles are one on campus and through the student body. that's something we do at turning point usa. actually be willing to stand up on the college campuses and talk about principles, despite all of the noise is incredibly important. it is a monopoly but see a difference. we started as a very small organization, now on 1300 college campuses across the united states. in all 50 states as well. mark: what do you think about this rigged faculty recruitment

system? i mean, given all the money, public moneys that go into the universities and colleges, particularly state money. shouldn't states treat this like they do other issues with respect to antitrust and so forth? what is this tenure after one year or two years and you have a stalinist-style professor who just blabs for the next 30 years and puts in the two days' worth of work. this whole thing needs to be exposed, how they do it, how little work they do, how it's incestuous and the state legislatures need to get involved in the college governments and universities. we're paying for, it not like the independent private institutions, are they? >> the thing is leftist professors have the freedom until they get tenure to say what they want, indoctrinate students in classrooms. a limited number of libertarian or conservative professors have to stay quiet until they get tenured protection. i had one professor in college

who was a libertarian, and he basically had to keep it a secret because he wasn't tenured yet. and said once i get more tenured i can be more open about things i believe, for now i can't be. tenure is a huge problem. the other big question i have for leftists on college campuses constantly preaching about diversity and yet not interested in a diversity of ideas in the classroom. the majority of professors just like the majority of journalists in this country are leftists and don't have any concern over the lack of diversity when it comes to differences in ideas. >> they want everybody to look different but think the same on college campuses. that's the goal, that's the mission. everyone should look different but think the same, they create the diversion there is diversity when there is none and we see that every single day at turning point. so, look, i am optimistic, what we're allowed to do now is not just about being on campuses. it's a social media battle, too. this is a cultural war we're

fighting. the students are not paying attention, on phones, on twitter, on facebook, on instagram. that's where we make the most impact. so being on the college campuses, capturing what's happening when we sit in a chair and talk about american principles, capturing the reaction and students say wow, when i go to college campus what do i want to be? a liberal or conservative? do i want to be the individual standing up shrieking and yelling and quite literally shrieking and yelling blood curdling screams because someone wants to speak or be someone more sophisticated? that is something to put a more optimistic tone to this that we are winning this cultural war. if we aren't winning the cultural war we wouldn't have this amazing president in office right now. >> every single student on a college campus has a cell phone and capable of accessing youtube, accessing your show, accessing preger u. and getting

an education outside of leftist marxist professors who only want them to see things from one point of view. one of the thing i want to mention about campuses and the way they treat students, they have the handbook, the code of conduct, how you're not suppose to discriminate against groups, political ideology is not in there. students pay the consequences for it because professors expect a certain point of view, in their work, in papers, things they're smith towards degree program, and yet they're allowed to discriminate that way, i don't understand based on being consistent on the policies why that would be in there. >> they have groups that discriminate. in colorado, students against white supremacy and target turning point students, accost them in bathrooms, yell at them and call them white

supremacists because they believe in free markets and capitalism. this is happening in college campuses across the united states. mark: do you see this bleeding into the media? you watch cnn and msnbc and some of the other platforms. the hosts and not just those, the nature of the guests they invite or regular contributors. i saw you i think it was on msnbc with this fellow dyson. >> a professor. mark: and you wouldn't take any of his stuff. a georgetown university professor, i assume he's tenured. and this guy is full of rage. >> right. mark: it's always white, black, white, black, and he's a popular guest on msnbc, i assume he shows up on cnn, too. he's not alone. this narrative in the college campus in the classroom with these tenured professors is now being pushed into the general public through a media platform like msnbc and cnn, is that

right? . >> that's correct. they want to divide and separate us and pretend that everything is racist and everything is sexist and making people go home and feel they have a right to be enraged and emotional and angry. that's why i do what i do, present the different perspective people haven't heard and more realistic perspective what's going on. i did not grow up in a racist country, that's false. and many students believe when we start events on college campus. i say how many of you believe america is more of a racist country today than the 20s. hands will go up. they actually believe that they are living in a country that is more racist today than it was when our grandparents were coming up. than when we had jim crow laws and slavery. they say it's shifted, it's a different kind of racism. >> i have to say that i've been waiting years for michael eric dyson, professor dyson to meet his match. i was so happy to take him on. for years i've listened and watch him promote that garbage that he does on msnbc and in

his classroom. mark: you're not the only one. and it's not just an african-american professor, you can have white professors, whatever it is, it's the same narrative. >> when they are pushing it out on the airwaves outside of their bubble odds of the university, they're more exposed, people can see the arguments being made and realize they don't stand up in the real world which is why these types of professors, only this on college campuses, they can't survive outside of that. arguments don't hold up, principles don't hold up. they're indoctrinating students, a lot of them get into the real world and realize they were lied to, wasted money and they are more conservative than before. mark: interesting week had problems getting them here to talk to me. we'll be right back.

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suffering, if we hadn't had somebody who was tough and willing to take the hits from the media. mark: in this respect you're talking about immigration. >> and other things, too. standing on a platform and saying to black america, what do you have to lose? having everybody in the media interpret that as racism. what's happening in the black community is racist. the politics inflicted in the black community is racist. when you talk about the welfare system, lyndon b. johnson and his great society act, right? those are the things that were racist. trump was telling us you guys are losing. his courage and strength is what i admire and the results he's already brought to the country in 18 months he's been in office. mark: and i saw a recent poll where his popularity in the black community is not only rising, like 36%, that's higher than any other modern republican president i'm aware of. >> you're getting me excited, i'm going to do a back flip. despite every single day, we

have cnn, msnbc, racist, racist, racist, trying to get black people in line. here's the thing, results. producing results. mark: i literally -- let me ask you, this katie, i can't think of a single racist thing this president has done, and continue to call him racist, racist. and i think in part it's to drag down his growing popularity. not just in the black community, the latino community, his numbers are up as well. and this whole thing about racist and he sympathetic to white supremacists and so forth. it's almost like a propaganda effort in the media, is it not? >> first of all, you just deported a nazi, i don't think it held up any longer than before. of course it's a tactic, the media despite claims of objectivity, they're run by the left and a bunch of leftists who believe if you make the argument against conservatives or anyone you disagree with,

you run the argument and you win. that's not working anymore. clearly based on the numbers, people are tuning out of, that including minorities. i'm not a minority but i assume they find it patronizing every time something is offered or discussion about the situation inside certain communities that automatically the people trying to solve a problem are racist. i think they are sick and tired of problems not getting solved and accusations and name calling continuing to move forward without results. left doesn't have any solutions as candace said, for 50 years fighting the, quote, war on poverty with no results. it's the right for school choice instead of protecting unions, allowing kids in minority schools across the country to change schools so they have a future in education, so for the president, he's walked the walk on that. he's been for school choice, talked about going into chicago and trying to help with the situation there, and most importantly brought up the

economy in a way that allows every single person, regardless of what skin color is, what gender is to succeed. and that's what matters. >> i don't want to mince words, the left believes that black people and hispanic people are stupid. that is the truth. they believe we are stupid. that is why they overuse the term racism at every turn. this is a fear tactic and keep using aggressive terminology. white supremacy, white nationalism to strap us in using fear. okay? it's something that it gets me fired up, obviously, and it's upsetting to me because we've allowed this to happen. this is the reason when hillary clinton was running, rather than going into the cities and speaking to black people she threw a jay-z and a beyonce concert, she believes black people are stupid because we have a monolithic path and proving their point. voting in 90% margins, we were

proving their point and on the brink of being disrupted in this country. mark: do you think white liberals, i'll talk like the left. do you think white liberals, they said, look, we've served these communities. we've redistributed wealth. created this program and this program and this program and we have a few appointees over here and over here that they believe they deserve the black vote and the latino vote and shouldn't have to work for it. >> here's what you have. when i talk about white liberals two, categories for me. liberal and ignorant. liberals are people like ocasio-cortez. people like bernie sanders and hillary clinton know it doesn't work. they understand politics are not working, they know what's going on in chicago, this is why they are silent when 71 black people are shot on the south side of chicago and none of them say anything because that's a democrat-run city and

intended to happen. i feel strongly that white liberals that believe they deserve the black vote paul is into the two categories don't understand the black community and ones that do keep up the same tacticis. >> would say it's beyond that, that they think they deserve it. they believe they're entitled to it. >> right. >> after providing things from the government that they are the ones who are actually saving these kinds of communities when the fact is the majority of congressional districts across the country and the majority of cities are the poorest with the most crime run by democrats for decades and yet they don't want to take any responsibility for the kinds of results that they have produced and then they wonder why when someone like donald trump says you have nothing to lose, why he would say that? they have failed and continue doing the same things to keep the communities down so they can continue to stay in power. that's what they want. >> that's correct. mark: ladies and gentlemen, don't forget you can join us almost every week night on levin tv, levin tv.

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values, telling women there is liberation in hating men and hating relationships when we understand that a child has the best chances of doing well in society if they have both a mother and a father present. if you need to see the stats on that, look no further than the black community, if you want know why we're doing so bad, a lot of it has to do with a father absence, and i think that when you talk about how hypocritical the left can be, think about the way they treat press secretary sarah sanders, the way they treat ivanka trump. they're mocked at, laughed at, referred to in crude terms. why? because they don't do or say what the left wants. it let's you women under the guise of feminism are not free whatsoever. >> feminism to me? feminism today is this bogus idea that you have to be for all women, but the reality is that you have to be a leftist woman who believes in

socialism, hating men, wearing pink hats on your head, protesting at every single turn. mark: abortion. >> abortion, any time, anywhere, for free. my second book assault and flattery is all about this issue, i wrote about it after going to the dnc in 2012 and listening to speech after speech how conservatives have a war on women. everybody womens the mitt romney binders full of women and played the seven minute long tribute video to ted kennedy, and on the video, they stamped the words women's rights champion across at a convention claiming to be fighting a war on women. so this really got my idea started for my second book to combat this narrative that conservatives had a war on women but gave me a bigger picture to where modern feminism comes from, and it comes from marxism, from socialism, they wrote a pamphlet called prairie fire

and the nuclear family based in marxism is actually a jail for women and they need to be broken out of it and needed to take advantage of the new 60s feminist movement for political power and if you go back to the beginning of the feminist movement, the suffragettes weren't about hating men, they weren't about just equality, equal opportunity and modern feminism today is completely the opposite and not about women being individuals, standing up on their own where their own lives being the purveyors of their own future, it's about being in lockstep with the left and certainly don't count as a woman and as a feminist. >> the left categorizes people, gives them nomenclature, projects ideology on top them and demands compliance and if anybody doesn't agree, this is feminism, this is the black

community, the hispanic community, the whites, you people so on and so forth. isn't it an attack on individualism to think for yourself and what made this country great in the first place? >> that is why i hate movements rooted in victimhood because it's going to be hijacked by the left because any movement that is rooted in victimhood rooted in emotion, anything that is rooted in emotion is not rational. when you think about viral movements like #me too or #black lives matter wanted to start as a conversation between police officers and the black community, where i ended up being a full-on assault against the police community or hating police officers. #metoo movement which started as meant to be a conversation between men and women ended up being about hating men and wanting to take men down in powerful positions. hard to be a nonfeminist, you take attacks from people on the left and the right that find

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. mark: katie pavlich, mollie tibbetts, 20 years old, minding her own business, out jogging, and she is hunted down by an illegal alien. horrific. i mean, just a nightmare for the family, for the country, and then true to form, all of a sudden we're told this is nothing to do with illegal aliens and really this is one case and american citizens kill more people than illegal aliens. why do we get into this debate? was she not killed by an illegal alien? >> well, the left doesn't want to admit water is wet, of course they're going to try to

scapegoat the naturive and get it away from the fact the person was in the country illegally. he committed a heinous crime. we don't know all the details. we know she's dead and he led the police to her body. idea that the left makes excuses when we hear this case, it's a single characters it's not a single case, there are other cases and hundreds of angel families and thank god president trump is finally bringing some kind of publicity to them, he held an event talking about what they go through because the media doesn't care when american families lose a child fundamentally. we've heard a lot about child separation in the last couple of months. mollie tibbetts has been permanently removed from her family. and as i heard another angel mom say a couple months ago at the white house, when i visit my son because we are permanently separated, it's at his grave site and he's below the ground when i talk to him. there's no recognition, always an excuse for illegality in favor of illegal aliens instead

of american citizens who go through this horrific thing almost every single week. this is not an isolated case. mark: candace? >> this is not the only thing, drug problems, heroin epidemic in this country. how many families are victims to that living with that every single day? let's talk about why the left does not want to acknowledge this. why does the left want open borders? why does the left want to abolish i.c.e.? for votes, that's it. all about power. they're willing to forego american children that are dying, willing to forego americans' addictions as long as they get votes. if they can get the community and make them government dependent and make them all democrats, they have a chance of winning back power in this country. that is the conversation that's not happening, and so it is devastating what happened to mollie tibbetts, kept me up thinking about this and what her family is going through, we

were seized by the story, the entire nation seized by the story and have the conclusion is heart breaking because this is a death that could have and should have been avoided. mark: the president of the united states is trying to secure the border, trying to back i.c.e. and the border patrol. we have a political party in the country that doesn't want to secure the border, abolish federal law enforcement, i.c.e., people come illegally into the interior of the count tree, is their job to find and move them. the border patrol is under the individuals as well. this is what president oba it's time for the 'biggest sale of the year' on the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. and now, all beds are on sale. save 50% on the new sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. only for a limited time.

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mark: candace owens, are you positive about the future of the next country for the next five or ten years? >> i'm one 100% positive about the future of this country, especially once president trump secures a second term.

i am the eternal optimist in general in my life has been a tale of overcoming. we are blessed to live in this country and we are at a point where i feel that things are getting worse and sometimes things do to get worse before they get better. since he finally, at long last, have a real conversation about the things that are wrong i can't help but feel optimistically about where this is going to be to. mark: katie? >> i'm optimistic about the future. there are days i worry, of course but america has always failed and that the greatest country in the world has ever known. always had faith in america and we been in the tough decisions before we fought a civil war and made it through and i believe that the next five or ten years and the next 100 years will be some of the most amazing days america has to come. mark: we have to fight for. >> absolutely. >> we can't take it for granted. mark: i must say talking to you to i feel much better. >> nope or at all. [laughter] mark: i want to thank you very much.

>> thank you for having me. mark: it's a great honor. check it out next time on life liberty and living. reporter: i'm sandra smith in for chris wallace. senator john mccain is honored for his decades of public service. >> the senate, the country, the world, are lesser places tonight with the loss of john mccain. reporter: the war hero, presidential candidate and six-term senator dead at 81 from brain cancer. >> thanks for having me on again, chris, i love our spirited discusson