♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." one of the benefits of living for a while is you get to see how the story ends. it sometimes a little depressing. if you are over 40 you probably remember bill clinton's labor secretary purity he was a liberal among moderates in that administration but a thoughtful and engaging person. his views weren't mainstream but he certainly wasn't stupid or a hater. that was all before term. like a lot of people in our ruling class robert is now a completely different person. it just the other day he wrote that the entire term presidency ought to be annulled. not just ended prematurely, that's no longer radical enough,

but erased from history, forgotten by decree. america must reset to the first monday in november 2016 like none of it ever happened. we have to retroactively photoshop an awful lot of pictures but according to him it's the only remedy. reality isn't tolerable. it should be banned. he was dead serious apparently. keep in mind that 20 years ago people considered him impressive. some still do, which tells you a lot about the state of our intellectual leaders. people still defend john brennan too even after he revealed on television that there's something seriously wrong with him. officials who run the cia ought to be sober and reasonable and even-tempered. it's too powerful a job with too little oversight into a little accountability for a wacko. that would be dangerous for the country. and yet over the weekend there was bright and once again charging a political opponent with a death penalty offense on the basis of zero evidence.

watch. >> i've been having a hell of a time trying to get my guest to say the word treason. i think the president is guilty of that and you use terms like that, you said after helsinki it was nothing short of treasonous, which sounds to me like treasonous. >> treasonous is defined as a betrayal of trust as well as aiding and abetting the enemy so that was the word that came to my mind. >> tucker: things are accelerating fast. trump is a racist became trump is a traitor which has now become trumped is a nonperson who must be erased from our collective memory. the left is officially out of epithets. all that's left is physical harm. who will be the first to call for that? it feels inevitable at this point. mark steyn is an author and columnist and he joins us tonight. so what do you make of a knowledge in the mark? >> i think this is rather like the famous episode of dallas

where they rode off an entire season as not having gone anywhere and pam ewing stepped into the shower and there was bobby ewing, who was supposed to be dead, restored to life. and robert reich seems to basically be proposing the same solution, that he will step into the shower and there will be president hillary clinton magnificently. i hope that's not a bit too vivid for you. as i was halfway through that image it got a bit too vivid for me. but that does actually reflect the level of denial. if you recall back to 2016 in november, we heard all the stuff about america is unique in having the peaceful transfer of power, which i don't quite accept. generally speaking when they get a new prime minister in denmark they don't throw the old one off the parliament building. there are other countries that have people peaceful transfersf power. what's interesting here is that actually they can't accept that

and the new nihilism, which back a year and a half ago with fake news covers the president has now decided to former cabinet secretaries arguing for the erasure of the historical record. sort of resetting things to yea. and actually that is harmful to the so-called peaceful transfer of power and in that sense reich should be ashamed of himself. >> tucker: left the key. here you have not just some pundit on cnn or whatever. here you have a former cabinet secretary and i know him, he's a legitimate smart guy. and a former cia director who is not a legitimately smart guy but is a former cia director. these are the pillars of the establishment. what is it, macro question, about trump that drives the

ruling class to say things like this, irrational things? >> i think there is a general presumption that it's not just that he won but that he shouldn't have won and therefore because he shouldn't have won he cannot really have won. and that's why you have to have basically the stance of speculation. the treason accusation i think -- for start, treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy and actually russia isn't the enemy at the moment. it was president obama who mocked the very idea that russia was even a sort of geopolitical rival of any kind. so we are not at war with russia. the idea that that is actually possible of rising to the level of treason is patently absurd. but i think it's the need to delegitimize and a couple of cycles ago that just meant marking the other guy as being

stupid and being unworthy of it and all the rest of it, but it's actually gone on to something far more dangerous, which is actually delegitimizing the entire system. when you have major political figures saying that in effect the peaceful transfer of power is not possible, it can't possibly happen, therefore if it does happen it's illegitimate, it's not so much this or that president that they are delegitimizing, but actually the very possibility of civilized self-government. >> tucker: exactly. if the suppose it adults on the left reich and brennan and many others are talking themselves into this frenzy for each round becomes more extreme than the last, how long before someone convinces themselves that we need to storm the white house -- we need to take action, like physical action here? that's the terminus of this, right? how could it not be? >> that's what makes this at some level ridiculous.

bill maher just before that bit with brennan said that this is the third biggest crisis in america's history. the revolutionary war and then the civil war and now this. what are you doing about it, build? you're having another catholic maki auto and finding another canadian singer songwriter to date. if you are not pledging your life, your fortune and your sacred honor, are you? by the way, speaking of treason, if he is dating another canadian singer-songwriter that is like george washington dating a united empire of loyalist at the time of the revolutionary war. not even serious about what he's saying. and that's what makes it decadent. if even this is as bellmawr says a great crisis in american history or it's just something you guys are talking about for a giggle. but if they are not serious about it they shouldn't be saying it because somebody will take it seriously and that's the

real danger. >> tucker: meanwhile, the middle-class dies and nobody cares. thank you very much for that, great to see you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: so is it legal, is it even possible to enola presidency? julian epstein is a democrat and former counsel to the house judiciary committee and he joins us know. i have noticed that the left has become more than anything a religious movement in the use of the term annulment kind of proves it. if the presidency were unrolled as reich suggests, would heretics who persist on acknowledging that trump was once president, what they be punished? >> it's a funny way to put the question. i don't think annulment is a serious argument. i don't think we are at the threshold of impeachment yet. i think there is the tenancy going on with democrats right now as there was during the '98 clinton impeachment for people in the opposition party to scream loud and try to get attention and to screen kind of louder than the other because it helps with clicks on websites

and helps get them on television. but i don't think it's a serious argument. >> tucker: you and i had many debates during that period and there were people who were claiming that bill clinton murdered someone and there was a lot of that stuff. but it wasn't coming from former cabinet secretaries. >> burton. >> tucker: a member of congress who had all kinds of theories but he was embarrassed of those theories and when confronted with them, he said i didn't really think that and here you have pillars of the democratic establishment saying on television things that are so far out in the extreme i'm not even sure how to respond to them. does that make you uncomfortabl uncomfortable? >> i don't know if he is a pillar of the democratic establishment. i think it was a labor secretary under clinton and i think he's a very good economist. he is not a lawyer and i don't think he is a legal scholar and i think he would probably do better staying away from that. i think there are plenty of republican members of congress who said very extremist things

during clinton's impeachment. it happens on both sides. it's a natural thing that occurs. >> tucker: i don't think anybody accused bill clinton of treason. >> people accused bill hunt and of murder. >> tucker: not in public. you heard whispers about it. does it bother you actually that john brennan, who was complemented by republicans by the way when he first got in, but he was the head of the cia and now he's accusing a political opponent of a death penalty offense with no evidence. it doesn't bother you that he ran the most powerful intelligence agency in the worl world? >> i think what he was referring to and people use treason in different ways. people use it in a legal sense and sometimes they use it in the more vernacular signs and i think what brendan was talking about was from continually cozying up with putin, who i think most republicans would agree is an enemy of the united states. >> tucker: i don't know if i would agree with that. he certainly no more bloodthirsty than a lot of idle eastern tyrants. >> you look like what he's done

with the airliners, i don't think he's a guy that is looking out for u.s. interests. >> tucker: of course he's not looking for u.s. interests. >> you can go back and forth. as we did in '98, you can find extremists on both sides that say things that again i think are designed to get attention, clickbait. >> tucker: what you're saying is absolutely right but you also have people like, i don't know, the ranking democrat in the house intel committee who on the show accused me of carrying water for putin because i had sincere questions about the evidence of collusion. so you do have a kind of different level of extremism, i would argue, but it leads to this question, which is if trump is guilty of these crimes that virtually everyone on the left alleges, then why are we just saying out loud there's an impeachment coming? wire democrats ashamed of that? >> as to the question of extremism, there's a lot of extremism going on on both sides and i hope a thoughtful guy that you are that you would denounce it, the extremism that's occurring on the right.

i denounce the extremism occurring on the left. i think the robert reich article was ridiculous. the second point is not everybody on the left is saying trump is guilty of crimes. i don't think there's proof yet that trump is guilty of crimes. i think the question on campaign finance as we were discussing before we came on eric, i don't think that reaches an impeachable offense and i think it's questionable whether it reaches a legal offense because the ambiguity of the campaign finance laws. >> tucker: of course i agree. >> i think the question on collusion rests entirely on whether trump had advance knowledge of any illegal activity that was connected to russian hacking. that has not been proven yet. so this democrat is not alleging a crime as it involved donald trump. >> tucker: the polls bear this out, the pressure from democratic voters to impeachment if democrats retake the house will be so overwhelming that one speaker could look at the people who just put him or her in that position and say we are not impeaching? >> what i was going to say, one

of the reasons i think there is so much pressure around his investigations is how badly the trump white house has handled the russia investigation matter. it looks at every turn that they are trying to cover up crimes whether it is the firing, the threatened firings, the promises of pardons, all of the flipping of the witness, the accountant has flipped on the president, his attorney has flipped on the president. campaign manager. >> tucker: is looking guilty the same as being guilty? >> no, it's not. not in a legal way, but in a political way you know as well as i do that the actions of this white house have looked guilty from the beginning, has made them look guilty. it doesn't mean that they are guilty in a legal sense but it has been handled horribly. the democrats, where the democrats are to be and what i would argue and i've spoken to democrats on the hill is that they should not be coming to legal conclusions or conclusions about impeachment at this point. >> tucker: but their voters

wanted. >> this is the problem with a polarized politics, we play to the extreme bases and republicans do this i would argue more so than democrats do but we can disagree about that. we can disagree about that. but if democrats were smart they would tell the base that we are not going to kind of kowtow to the impulses that may make you feel better emotionally. we are going to do what you want i will probably agree -- >> tucker: if you can find -- i agree with you of course. if you can find one democratic leader with the huevos to say something like that on television i will give you 20 bucks. >> i think that's basically what they are saying in other words. what they are saying is we are not going to make conclusions about impeachment or about the prosecution. we want facts to come out. we want to protect the independent counsel and all the other investigations underway. >> tucker: then they should tell the treason court is to shut up. >> allow the facts to cut come out. you want to be there and i ought to be there.

are you for the republican plan, the senate by partisan republican plan that protects it? >> tucker: running the government and rest during middle-class from oblivion. speak of the grassley bill that protects the special counsel? >> tucker: i don't know. i don't think we should have any special counsel of any kind. it's unaccountable to the voters. i just wanted to go away. i'm serious, and think about why 70,000 people died of drug ods last year. there is stuff going on. >> what you think the integrity of the investigation are to be protected. the whole thing is so stupid. >> tucker: i've run out of patience for it. multiple investigations into russia's interference in our elections still hasn't proved that moscow colluded with trump. so how long can an investigation that has turned up no actual evidence continue? that's ahead. also the latest on the recent news surrounding the death of senator john mccain and the political furor it has touched off in washington today.

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>> tucker: senator john mccain, who passed away this weekend at the age of 81, was a man of florid passions. he loved what he loved and he hated what he hated. high atop his dislike list was donald trump. mccain despised trump. trump, for his part, despised mccain right back into their credit, neither man ever pretended otherwise. mccain attacked trump almost until his final day. after mccain died trump at first could barely bring himself to mourn. he sent a brief tweet and then raised the white house flags too too soon for many critics. the root of this dispute between senator kaine and the president is murky. each side has a different story. what's clear is where the press stands in this period >> to watch the president, the president out of kenya twice not saying anything about this hero, this lion of a man.

it's despicable. it's despicable. >> a president who repeatedly refused to say anything about a war hero despite being asked today, again and again and agai again. >> tucker: how dare he! there's been a lot of this today. almost exclusively from the left. on one level it's amusing because these are the very same people of course who called john mccain a racist ten years ago for daring to run against the anointed one. a month before that election in 2008, congressman john lewis and george are compared john mccain to george wallace and then try to connect him to the 1963 birmingham church bombings if you can imagine. fast forward to this weekend. lewis described mccain probably the most hawkish center in american history as "a warrior for peace." he will be deeply missed by people all around the world. in other words, never mind a racist stuff, it was never personal. for the left, everything is

about political expedience, even the obituaries. more troubling, to claim that you will think it's despicable not to mourn him in a certain way. not just impolite but immoral and forbidden. when people in authority, people with tv shows for example decide that they can dictate what emotions you are allowed to feel, you should worry. mccain knew that well. he spent five and a half years as a captive in a society just like that and he spent the rest of his life fighting against it. he hated authoritarians above all. john mccain was a complicated person but a great man. if you really want to honor his memory you want to let people make up their own minds about what they think. justice department official bruce ohr played a central role in the obama administration's targeting and spying on the trump campaign, feeding information from christopher steele to his contacts at the fbi. tomorrow we are going to learn more because he is set to testify behind closed doors to congress. who is bruce ohr?

the "washington examiner"'s byron york has been covering the story from the very beginning and is we think one of the most trustworthy sources on it. i read "the new york times" every day, because i'm paid to and i just read a piece that said bruce ohr was an insignificant figure at the justice department, no one ever heard of him. all of a sudden he emerges as a central figure in the story. what am i to make? >> it read almost like a defense brief on the eve of his testimony but bruce ohr was the fourth ranking official in the obama justice department and one of the big questions that investigators in congress have tried to find out about the dossier was how high did knowledge of the dossier go in the justice department? was it if you guys in the fbi, to people above that no and above that? so you've gotten to bruce ohr. the number four, did the number to no end to the attorney general know? those are probably some of the questions that ohr will be asked, unfortunately behind closed doors. >> tucker: it you said the

piece about bruce ohr read like a defense brief. the story here is not just about president trump and whatever crimes he is alleged to have committed. if the is about the obama administration and whether or not one administration spied on the opposing political campaign using our intel agencies. why wouldn't the press be anxious to know more about that since it sets a pretty troubling precedents precedent for future administrations? >> it does. if the whole idea was what was the obama administration doing with christopher steele, the former british spy hired by the clinton campaign and the dnc to search for dirt in russia on donald trump. what was the justice department doing about that? and one of the most fascinating aspects of all this, which ohr will be asked about is christopher steele was dying to get negative information about trump into the press before the election so it could affect the election. and he was not supposed to talk to the press, but he did. >> tucker: by his own admission. this is not something you are assuming.

>> correct. he did it in september and october of 2016 right before the election. the fbi, this is really, really against the rules for fbi sources, so they terminated him as a source, but they wanted to keep using him, so what they did in the months after the election all the way up to at least may of 2017 was have bruce ohr talk to christopher steele, then come back to the fbi until the fbi what christopher steele told him. and the fbi, by the way made what are called 302 reports, they write up notes of interviews and they made them for each one of these things and we don't know what they are because the justice department will not let congress have them. if they will let some members of congress read them. and all of these are questions that the congress is going to want to know, like what did christopher steele tell you? >> tucker: and i think the rest of us have a right to know. we have a right to trust our government. great to see you. thanks for that.

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>> tucker: the bill of rights is a stumbling block on the way to shutting down speech that the left doesn't like, at least in government. but there's a new avenue for those who would like to censor what you say and think and that's corporations. the left have wised up to this. if you want to stop someone from telling the truth, use companies to do it. the social media giants, and they are. so far the most prominent casualty in the crusade against free expression has been the radio host alex jones. but are we smart to think censorship will stop with him? mark penn is a former advisor to bill clinton. a liberal who still believes in the free exchange of ideas and he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. i'm fascinated by the alex jones

story because it was alex jones. almost no conservatives roast was defensive because alex jones, jacob. but it's not really about alex jones, is it? it's about the idea that companies can make it impossible for your voice to be heard. is that a precedent which should be comfortable with? >> i think you have to be worried about big tech becoming big brother because this used to be neutral platforms that said we are open to free expression, that's our core value and now they said not so much. with particularly facebook hiring 10,000 new sensors on top of another 10,000 and having roving censoring box looking for content. i never read alex jones but here somebody with millions of followers, publicly accountable for his speech operating within supreme court standards yanked from media. that's a surprise to me. that's is the platforms are no longer as open as they presented themselves to be. >> tucker: it's not just him.

at there are many like him who have been yanked, lesser-known, but still. this has political implications. you ran in managed campaigns for so long this must've occurred. a lot of our political debate takes place in social media platforms. if they clamp down on one side of the debate why wouldn't that influence an election's outcome? >> obviously they have a big influence on elections increasingly because where people turn for their news is they look at the newsfeeds that are run by the major social media companies and so they are more powerful than any tv station, more powerful than fox because of the amount of time that people spend and it's a funnel. so if you're not at the top you don't get seen. so in the past they've had some neutral ways of doing this, but now the increasingly applied more mysterious algorithms, plus individual sensors. remember, they are private platforms they say so they are not actually subject to the first amendment unless we get some legislations here that says free speech is an internet rate.

>> tucker: totally meaningless. if i own a toll road i can't say any one of a certain race can't drive in my toll road. so they are not actually fully private companies. we have a public interest i would say in keeping them free and open. if you cared about the integrity of elections, why isn't congress acting? >> i don't know why congress isn't acting. part of it is to stand up to a social media company means you can have 5 million people on your doorstep the next day. i think there's been a lot of intimidation in congress instead of bipartisan agreement that we cannot have this kind of regulation of speech where whoever runs one of the big platforms can pick out speech, which speeds those in which speech doesn't. not when they've been exempted from the libel laws but have been set up as open platforms and they now become media companies instead. that's exactly what's happening. they become media companies that take ads on the media that they run and they have editors and

algorithms and bots that run it. >> tucker: i really believe that ten years from now that segment and what you just said it will be as oppression. a big story being ignored. maybe you are right, it's cowardice, but it shouldn't be. and q for that thank you. the chinese government plans to rank all of their citizens according to their reliability. up next the details. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats moderate to severe plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla . it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with... ...an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have  a history of depression or suicidal thoughts,... ...or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss.

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now the communist chinese government wants to give every single one of these people a ranking. chinese officials plan to use technology to collect and analyze people for their new social credit system which will then allow the government to administer punishment and of course handout rewards based on good and bad behavior. political obedience of course will be central to this. it's basically naughty and nice but there's no santa in this calculation. what does this mean and couldn't come here? gordon chang is author of the coming collapse of china that he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. this is such a dystopian vision that a government could exert this level of social control over a population that is large. it's hard to believe this could happen. is this actually going to happen? >> it certainly is happening right now. what we have in china is that there so many people there the government wants to control them so what they are doing is they are collecting data. they are collecting data from

600 million cameras that they will have in place in 2020. they are going to have traffic checks, all the rest of it. this is being rolled out and it's being rolled out very quickly. so for instance you've got people who are not allowed to board planes and trains because their social credit score is far too low. >> tucker: so this is the kind of thing, since our ruling class pay such close attention to human rights abuses of abroad d we are always paying attention to me and mark, this seems like a glaring civil rights violation, human rights violation. why do we never hear anything about it from the self-appointed moral watchdogs atop our society? >> that's a great question and i actually don't know the answer for it because this is the biggest human rights abuse in the world today. and we have china putting people basically into internment camps in northwestern china. 1 million people, this is a crime against humanity. we don't hear about that either. and the thing i think we will hear about it is when they roll

out the system for foreigners. we know that the chinese government is tracking chinese in the united states. they are actually contacting people of the u.s. this is just going to get worse and worse until the u.s. government pushes back. >> tucker: what about the tech companies? our tech companies that exert so much social control over our society. have they issued an unequivocal a statement against this or do we suspect they sympathize with the idea? >> i think it probably sympathize because they sold much of the technology to the chinese that they be used, incorporated into their system. of course the chinese have been able to improve what they've gotten, but nonetheless they would not be anywhere near their level of perfection if it weren't for u.s. and other western companies. >> tucker: do we send them torture equipment too for political prisoners? at some point can a company do something that is so morally repulsive that there is an outcry about a? the idea that american tech companies are abetting this

garbage is unbelievable. >> it is unbelievable and also with got american companies in the region in northwestern china where you have the attempt to eradicate the muslim religion. we have u.s. companies with big operations there and they shouldn't be in china anyway, but nonetheless, to be at the sight of a human rights violation, which is the worst in the world, it's just indescribable, as you put it. >> tucker: keep that in mind the next time the google guys want to lecture me about my moral shortcomings. thank you very much, great to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: a professor, a feminist at an overrated at a very expensive northeastern college have said that women have the right to hate men. obviously demented and we have someone who agrees has been located and they will join us next. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: here is a nonshocking story of the week. the chair of the women's gender and sexuality studies department at northeastern university feels what she calls legitimate rage against men, all men and believes that it "makes sense for women to have raged against a group of people that has systematically abused them" she said nongrammatically. the professor demanded that men stop running for political office, said men shouldn't be in charge of anything anyway. after all, she wrote, we have every right to hate you. nichols is a professor at the university of maryland and he joins us. great to see you. why is it that we turn our children over to the care of the least happy, at least mentally

stable, least impressive people in our society? is there anybody unhappy or do you think in america? >> first of all, she has the right to say -- >> tucker: of course she does and i will defend it. >> we have to stand up for people to have the right to say certain things even if we disagree with them. i think a lot of what she's saying -- >> tucker: if i was taking her class and i took some women's studies courses in college and i wanted an easy grade and they are so dumb it's not hard. >> come to maryland and take one of those women's studies courses. >> tucker: if i stand up and i say i am a man and how dare you attack all men on a collective basis, how do you think i would do in her class? >> i think you would do fine. the reason being, show me her evaluations. our students out there saying professor walters, i believe her name is, professor walters mistreated me -- >> tucker: i don't know.

>> we are getting into hypotheticals. >> tucker: of course we are but if she stood up and said i dislike -- fill in the blank, some ethnic group, polynesians. i was mugged by a polynesian, i hate them. i have every right to hate them. if you are a polynesian kid i think you have a right to say cannot be treated fairly in this class? that's a reasonable thing to wonder. >> again that's apples and oranges. you know that men are the people who were in power. when we look at fortune 500 companies, 4.5% of fortune five companies have women ceos. >> tucker: what does that have anything to do with it? >> tucker: the most powerful country in europe is a woman. >> we've never had female leadership. >> tucker: you can't and you shouldn't ever make collective judgments about people on the basis of things they can't control. >> what is the judgment that she is making? she saying that patriarchy exists, that women are oppressed by men. those things are true. >> tucker: not all women are oppressed by men.

that's a lie. and it's also a sign of mental illness to really believe that every woman is oppressed by every man. that's demented. >> no one ever said that every woman was oppressed by everyman. she saying that patriarchy is a system that has existed for hundreds of years in which women are suppressed and again i can give you many examples not only in our society but in societies around the world. >> tucker: it's very hard for me not to keep on with the invective because she so dumb that it shocks me she could teach a college, okay? but i will set that aside and ask if you believe that, how can you occupy a paying job in a university that a woman should be sitting in? >> again, i didn't agree with everything she said in that op-ed. >> tucker: i think there are wat patriarchy where you don't have to resign and give jobs. >> tucker: but wouldn't that be pretty effective? >> i think one of the effective ways to do it is to recognize and be willing to accept female

leadership. that's what she's really saying. >> tucker: i think which is really saying is you should resign. >> i don't think that's what she's saying. >> tucker: the patriarchy is real and give your drop to a woman. >> i don't think that's what she saying in the argument should be systemic. that's where i actually had an issue. >> tucker: not every man is the same. just like every member of any ethnic group. >> but every man needs to recognize women and be open to female leadership, which many men are not and that's the problem. >> tucker: i think women should be open to treating men as individuals and not as a group. >> i think that has happened historically but right now we need for men to be open -- >> tucker: when you resign, call me. >> i will call you for a job. greg gutfeld thinks our robot overlords are coming and he applauds their arrival. he's here next to explain. ♪ hear about insurance." cause let's be honest,

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>> tucker: science fiction is quickly becoming reality in russia, not for the first time. one russia company has unveiled the 13-foot, 5-ton bullet proof robot. it can't move yet but the russian say they expect eventually they will be able to use its giant clause to perform battlefield tasks and hold weapons. meanwhile in san francisco a restaurant is serving robot made burgers, but are today's robot chefs tomorrow's robot overlords? that's the concern. greg gutfeld is host of "the five" ." he joins us tonight. i'm very concerned about our coming robot overlords. >> embrace it. number one, what you just saw in russia is not a robot, it's a car made of wood with arms and legs. >> tucker: that's probably true. >> it is buried it's not going anywhere, there's no video. jacob smirnoff is probably inside that car right now is telling jokes. number two, i'm all for the

robots overtaking the world, but not in our food service industry because what's going to happen is ranked going to get a whole new organic movement. organic, natural foods. now people will have organic restaurants where people will serve it, people will cook it. that will be deemed organic and then it will be a fight between robots and humans and we will lose, just like on every other planet. we never hear from other planets because they are all run by robots. >> tucker: that doesn't actually make me feel better though. >> it shouldn't. be like me. i'm like benedict arnold. i'm a traitor to the robots. i am behind the robot -- for example there are studies that show that judges deny parole based on their appetite. we don't need to replace chefs. we need to replace judges with robots and then life would be better. by the way, when you put robot before anything it makes it better.

robot dogs are better, robot answer better. robot tucker would be better than tucker. >> tucker: by a little bit. >> i feel threatened. >> tucker: i do welcome our new insect overlords. i don't know why the rest of us sit back passively and allow even the potential to give us orders. >> the good news is we can always unplug them and they all have a battery. but here's the thing, we are not. we are going to come to rely on them the way we rely on our phones. essentially we've already implanted technology into our bodies. it's our phone, which is connected to our hand which is now basically an external drive for our brain. if we carry this around. it's got everything we could ever need in the world. every book you ever want to read. if that's your external drive. robots are going to take care of us and they are going to be awesome. you are going to love it. it's going to be great.

but you don't want them to help cook your food. >> tucker: in the acknowledgments of your book you do not mention the robot who wrote it. >> he's a ghost robot writer. >> tucker: 's that's the beauty of robots, they don't regret it. now you're winning me over. >> you don't have to pay them, they don't have bathroom breaks, they don't have smoke breaks. they are perfect! i'm telling you! that's what you need robot judges. what's the worst thing we are seeing right now? emotion replacing thought. >> tucker: it's true. >> a robot as a judge, there's no emotion. robots should be making all of our decisions while we kick back into the glorious glorious food created by loving people. >> tucker: that's why i hate robots, because they are more impressive than i am. greg gutfeld also more impressive. great to see you. that's it for us tonight, sadly. another hour gone. tune in every night including tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. to the shell that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and

groupthink, which are almost overwhelming right now. we pledge to fight back, that's the only way it will stop. in the meantime, good night from washington. guess who's next? sean hannity. >> sean: i'm waiting. >> tucker: three seconds early! >> sean: tucker, good to see you, great show as always. welcome to "hannity." if breaking news, multiple fronts. just a few hours from now bruce ohr, the twice demoted corrupt doj official at the very center of the deep state effort to stop donald trump is set to testify before congress. coming up we will detail how ohr became a cd central figure in what is the destroyed trump movement. plus we have breaking news tonight, a new report from sara carter showing how a government whistle-blower allegedly punished after sounding the alarm on a strange million-dollar contract given to a key player in the government's effort to surveilled the trump administration. this will blow you away.