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should be an altar. america what must reset to the first monday in november, 2016, like none of it ever happened. we would have to retro's stomach retroactively photoshop many pictures, but he was dead i serious. keep in mind 20 years ago people considered him impressive. some still do which tells you a lot about the state of our intellectual leaders. officials who run the cia ought to be sober and reasonable and's even-tempered. it's too powerful a job was too little oversight into littleac accountability for a wacko, that would be dangerous for the country. and yet over the weekend, there was brennan once again charging a political pundit with the death penalty offense on the

basis of zero evidence. watch. >> i've been having a heck of a time trying to get my guests to say the word of treason. i think that president is guilty of that and you use terms like that, is that after helsinki it was nothing short of treasonous. >> treason is defined as a betrayal of trust and aiding and abetting the enemy that was a word that came to mind. >> tucker: things are accelerating fast. trump is a racist became trump is a traitor which has now become trump is a nonperson who must be erased from our collective memory. the left is officially out of epithets. all that's left is physical harm and who will be the first to call for that? it feels inevitable at this point. mark is a columnist and author. what do you make of knowing thek trump presidency? mark? >> i think this is rather like the famous episode of dallas, where after they wrote off an

entire season as not having gone anywhere, and pam ewing stepped into the shower and there was a bobby ewing who was supposed to be dead and restored to life. and robert reich seems to be proposing the same solution, that robert reich will step into the shower and there will be president hillary clinton, magnificently. i hope that's not a bit too vivid for you. as i was halfway through that image, i thought it might be too vivid for me. but that does actually reflect the level of denial. if you recalled back to novembee upset that. generally speaking when we get a new prime minister in denmark, they don't pull the old one off the parliament building or anything. there are other countries with peaceful transfer of power. what's interesting here is that actually come up they can't

accept that. and the denial is de nihilism,e "newsweek" cover showing thene rightful president is now extending to former cabinets secretaries and actually arguing for the erasure of the historical record. and so sort of resetting things to year zero. and actually come up that is harmful to the so-called peaceful transfer of power. and in that sense, the 18 should be ashamed of himself. >> tucker: and so that's the key. here you have not just some pundit, but you have a formeret cabinet secretary and a well-regarded one. i mean i know him, he is a legitimately smart guy.fo and then a former cia director, not a smart guy but still a former cia director, these are the pillars of the development. what is the macro question about trump that drives theth ruling class to say things like this?

irrational things and crazy things. >> mark: i think there is a general presumption that it's not just that he won but that he's shouldn't have one. won. and that's why you have to have basically this dance of speculation. now the treason accusation, i think, russia isn't the enemy at the moment. if it was president obama who mocks the very idea that russia was even a sort of geopolitical rival of any kind. though we are not at war with russia, the idea that that is actually possible, rising to the level of treason is faintly observed. but i think -- it's the need to delegitimize command, a couple of cycles ago that just meant mocking the other guy is being

stupid and being unworthy of it and all the rest of it. but it's actually gone on to something far more dangerous, which is actually delegitimizing the entireaceg system. when you have major political figures saying that, in effect, the peaceful transfer of power is not possible, we can't possibly happen, and therefore if it does happen it's a legitimate. it's not so much this or that president that they are delegitimizing, but actually the very possibility of civilized self-government by the people. >> tucker: exactly. so if suppose that adults on the left, reich and brennan, and they are talking themselves into this frenzy where each round becomes more extreme than the last, how long- until someone decides they need to take physical action? >> mark: while that is what makes this to some level,

ridiculous. bill marr, just before that fit with brennan said it's the third biggest crisis in america's history. the revolutionary wall and then the civil war and then this. so what do you know about it, bill? you are having another decaf maki auto and finding another canadian singer-songwriter to date. youou are not pledging her life, for a fortune under a sacred honor. by the way, speaking of treason, if he is dating another canadian songwriter, that's like george washington dating a revolutionary loyalist at the time of theve revolutionary war. so he's not even serious about what he's saying. even if it is deferred great crisis in american history, or just something you guys are talking about over your assault on your blog or a giggle -- youw are at for a giggle. that's a real danger.

>> meanwhile the middle class dies and no one cares. great to see you. so, is it legal, is it even possible to annul a presidency? so, i have noticed that the left has become more than anything a religious movement, and the use of the word annulment kind of proves that. if the presidency were annulled as rice suggests, would heretics who insist on acknowledging that trump was president, would they be punished? >> that's a funny way to put the question. i don't think it's a serious argument and i don't think we are at the threshold of t impeachment yet. i think there's a tendency, as there was during the 98 clinton impeachment for pop people in the opposition party to scream loud and try to get attention and scream kind of louder than the other because it helps with clicks on websites and it helps

get them on television. but i don't think it's a serious argument. >> tucker: you and i had many debates and there were people who were claiming that bill clinton murdered someone and there was a lot of that stuff. but it wasn't coming -- >> dan burton. you had a member of congress whh had all kinds of theories but he was embarrassed of those theories and when confronted with them he was like, oh, i didn't really think that. here you have pillars of the democratic establishment saying on television things that are so far out in the extreme, i'm not even sure how to respond to them. does that make youe? uncomfortable? >> i don't think he was a pillar, i think he's a very good economist and i think he's a sharp thinker as an economist. he's not a lawyer and i don't think he's a legal scholar, but i think there are plenty of republican members of congress, very extremist things during clinton impeachment so i think

it happens on both sides. it's a natural thing that occurs. >> tucker: i don't think people have accused bill clinton of treason >> people have accused him of murder. >> but not in public. does it bother you that john brennan who was complemented by republicans by the way when he first came in, he was the head of the cia and now he's accusing a political opponent of the death penalty offense with no evidence. doesn't bother you that he ran the most powerful intelligence agency in the world? >> i think what brennan was referring to, i think what brendan was talking about was trump continually proceeding with who i think most republicans would agree is an enemy of the united states. >> i don't know if i would agree with that. certainly no more bloodthirsty than a lot of middle eastern

pirates. >> i don't think he's a guy that's looking out for the interests. so, i think you can go back and forth. you can say things that are designed to be on television. >> what you're saying is absolutely right. but there's also people on the ranking in-house television committee. so you do have kind of a different level of extremism i would argue but at least to this question which is, if trump is guilty of these crimes that virtually everyone on the left alleges then why are we just saying out loud that there is an impeachment coming? >> there's a lot of extremism going on on both sides and i hope as a thoughtful guy as you are you would denounce the extremism occurring on the

right.rr right. i denounce the extremism occurring on the left. the second point is not everyone on the left is saying trump is guilty of crimes. i think the question on campaign financess as we were discussing before we came on eric, i don't think that reaches an impeachable offense and i think it's questionable as to whetherh it reaches it an impeachable offense. >> i think the question on collusion rests entirely on whether or not trump hatted minced knowledge of any illegal activity that was connected to russian hacking. that has not been proven yet. so this democrat is not alleginm a crime as it involves donald trump. >> the pressure and -- if the pressure from democratic voters to impeach if democrats overtake the house will be so overwhelming that what speaker could look at the people who just put him or her in that position said it, you know, we are not impeaching.

one of the reasons why i m think there is so much pressure around these investigations is how badly the trump white house has handled the russian investigation matter. it looksar like at every turn ty are trying to cover up crimes whether it's the firing was a threat to firings or the promises of pardons. all of the flipping of the witness, the poor way -- >> tucker: is looking guilty of the same as being guilty? >> not in a legal way, but in a political way that you know as well as i do that the actions of this white house have looked guilty from the beginning. it has been handled horribly. now the democrats, where the democrats ought to be, and i've spoken to democrats on the hill, they should not be coming to legal t conclusions about impeachment.

>> tucker: but the voters wanted. >> this is a problem with polarized politics. republicans do this i would argue more so than democrats do. we can disagree about that.mo but if democrats were smart they would tell the base that we are not going to count how to the impulses that may make you feel better emotionally. we are going to do what you and i would probably -- >> i agree with you. if you can find one democratic leader with the way guts to sam on television, i will give you 20 bucks. >> what the democrats ought to be saying tucker is we are not going to make conclusions about impeachment or prosecution, we want facts to come up. we want to protect the independent counsel and all the other investigations that are along the way. >> if they need to allow the facts to come out. >> i've been here since day one. >> what are you for the

republican plan that protects that? >> what about the grassley bill that will protect special counsel? >> i don't agree should have any special counsel of any kind. >> i just wanted to go away ands think about why a 70,000 people died of drug overdoses last year. >> but you just said you think the integrity of the investigation -- >> the whole thing is so stupid, i run out of patience for it. but that's not why i asked you to come on tonight.ss multiple into investigations into russia's interference in our elections still haven't proven that moscow colluded with trump. so how long can investigation that has turned up no actual evidence continue? also the latest on the recent newsth surrounding the death of senator john mccain and the political furor it touched off

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>> tucker: ♪ >> tucker: senator john mccain, who passed away this weekend at the age of 81 was a man of florida past sins florida passions. he liked what he liked on the hated what he hated. in to their credit neither man pretended otherwise. and, the root of this dispute between senator mccain and theid president is murky and each site has a different story. what's clear though is where the press stands in this. >> to watch the president, and not saying anything about this hero, this lion of a man, it's

despicable. >> the president repeatedly refused to say anything about a war hero, despite being asked today, again, and again, and again. >> tucker: how dare he.f there's been a lot of this today, almost exclusively from the left. on one level it's amusing because these are the very same people who of course called john mccain a racist ten years ago for daring to run against the anointed one. one month before that election, the congressman's lewis of georgia compared john mccain to george wallace and tried to connect him to the 1963 birmingham church bombing's if youwa can imagine. fast forward to this weekend, lewis describes mccain as "a warrior for peace." he will be deeply missed by people all around the world. in other words, never mind the racist stuff, it was never personal. for the left, everything is about political expedience.

more troubling is the claim that you just heard that it is "despicable not to mourn senator mccain in a certain way. not just impolite but immoral and forbidden. when people in authority, people with tv shows for example decide they can dictate what emotions you are allowed to feel, you should worry. mccain knew that well. he spent five and a half years captive of a society like that. john mccain was a complicateded person, but a great man. if you really want to honor his memory, let people make up their own minds about what they think. justice department official bruce ohr played a central role the obama administration's targeting and spying on the trump campaign. feeding information from christopher steele to his contacts of the fbi. tomorrow we will learn more because he set to testify behino closed doors.

so byron, i read "the new york times" every day because i'm paid to you and i just read a piece saying thatru bruce ohr was an insignificant figurative justice department. and what am i to make? >> it read almost like a defense brief on the eve of his testimony, but bruce or bruce e fourth ranking official in the obama department.kn and how high did the knowledge of the dossier go in the justicg department. did the number to know, and those are probably some of the questions that he will be asked, fortunately behind closed doors tomorrow. >> tucker: it's a little bit

striking companies of the piece about bruce ohr in "the new york times" read like a defense brief. the story here is not just about president trump and whatever crimes he is alleged to have committed, the stories about the obama administration and whether or not they admissions fied. why would the press be interested to know more about that? >> it does. the whole idea is what was the obama administration doing with christopher steele, that former british spy, who was hired to search for dirt on russia, donald trump. in one of the most fascinating aspects of this is, steel was dying to get negative information about trump into the press before the election. so it could affect the election. and he was not supposed to talk toou the press, but he did. >> tucker: and this was by hisid

own admission. >> he did that in september and october 2016 right for the election. so this is really, really against the rules for fbi sources, so they terminated him as a source. but they wanted to keep using him. so what they did in the months after the election all the way up through may of 2017 2017 wae bruce ohr talk to christopher steele, then come back to the fbi and tell the fbi what and the fbi made up what are called three oh two reports, and they made them for each one of these things but we don't know what they are because the justice department will not let congress have them. in all of these are questions that the congress is going to want to know. like what did christopher steele tell you? >> tucker: and i think the rest of us have a right to know.

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story because it was alex jones, almost newo conservatives of rd mike rose to his defense. but it's not really about alex jones, is it? it's about the idea thatbe companies can make it impossible for your voice to be heard. is that a president that you have to be worried about? this used to be neutral platforms that said we are open to free expression, that's our core value. and with another 10,000 sensors on top of another 10,000 and have roving century bots looking for contents. here's someone publicly accountable for his speech and operating within supreme court standards yanked from the media. that says that the platforms arr no longer as open as they presented themselves to be. >> tucker: and it's not just

them. and still, and a lot of our political debate takes place on social media platform. >> obviously could have a big influence on elections. they look at the newsfeeds thate are run by the major social media companies. and so they are more powerful than any tv station, more powerful than fox, so if you are not at the top then you don't get seen. in the past they have some neutral ways of doingoi this but they have now increasingly applied more mysterious algorithms plus individual sensors. and remember, up their private platforms, they say so they arel not actually subject to the first amendment unless we get some legislation here that says, free speech is an internet

rights. >> tucker: it's totally meaningless. if i own a toll road i come i can't say anyone of a certain racedr can drive on my toll roa. they are not actually fully private companies, they have a public interest i would say in keeping them free and open. do you know why congress isn't acting? >> part of it is to stand up to ans social media company means u could have 500 million people ox your doorstep the next day. so i think there's been a lot of intimidation in congress instead of bipartisan agreement, that we cannot have this configuration of r the speech that whoever rus the big platform can pick out which speech goes in which speech doesn't. but not when they've been exempted from the libel laws. and they now become media companies instead and that's exactly what happened. the media companies take ads on the media they run and boxes

that run it. >> i really believe that ten years from now, this segment, what you just said will be seen as pressure. mark penn, thank you for that. >> tucker: the chinese government plans to rank all 1.4 billion of its citizens according to their political reliability. that's pretty great. up next, details. ♪ chicken?! chicken. chicken! that's right, candace-- new chicken creations from starkist. buffalo style chicken in a pouch-- bold choice, charlie! just tear, eat... mmmmm. and go! try all of my chicken creations! chicken!

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government wants to give every single one of these people a ranking they were collecting and analyzing people for the note social credit system which will allow the government to hand out punishment and awards based on good and bad behavior. in political obedience will be central to this, basically naughty and nice, but there is no is on mike santi in this calculation. what does it mean" come here? gordon changed his hearing. so this is such a dystopian that a government could -- >> the government wants to control them and so they are collecting data. they are collecting data from 600 million cameras that they will have in place and in 2020,

they will have traffic checks and all the rest of it. it's being rolled out and rolled out very quickly so for instance you have people that are not allowed to board planes and trains because their social credit atomic score is far too low. >> and this seems like a glaring human and civil rights violation. why do we never hear anything about it from the self-appointed moral watchdogs at the top of society? >> if that's a question, and we have china putting people into internment camps in northwestern china. 1 million people, this is a crime against humanity and we don't hear about that either.

so we know the chinese government is tracking chinese in the united states, and this will get worse and worse until the u.s. government pushes back. >> tucker: what about the tech companies, our tech companies that exert so much social control over our society. -- i think they dumb i becaust was -- it was incorporated into their system.mp of course the chinese have beent able to improve what they've gotten but nonethelesson they would not be anywhere near their level of perfection if it weren't for u.s. and other western companies. >> tucker: at some point can a company ask you to do something that is so more liberals of that there is an outcry about it?

>> we also have american companies in that region northwestern china where you have the attempt to eradicate the muslim religion. well, we have u.s. companies with big operations, and they shouldn't be in china anyway. but nonetheless, to be at the sight of the human rights violation which is the worst in the world, it's just indescribable as you put it. gordon chang, thank you very much. a professor, a feminist at an overrated and p very expensive northeastern say that all men have the right to hate women because all women have done something wrong. someone has been located who will can listen to her breathe.

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♪ ♪ >> tucker: well, here is unknownis and shocking story of the week. the chair of the women gender and sexuality studies department at northeastern university feels what she calls a legitimate rage against all men and believes that it "makes sense for womenge to have rage against a group of people that has systematically abused them" she said nondramatically. in a "washington post" opinion piece, he demanded that they stop running for political our office andnd men shouldn't be in charge of anything anyway. she wrote," we have every right to eat you. why well first of all she has

the right to say -- and she has -- you know, we have a big attack on academic freedom. we have to stand up for people to have the right to say and certain things even if we disagree. >> tucker: if i was taking her class, and i took some women's studies courses in college because i wanted an easy grade a. >> come to maryland. >> tucker: but let me be honest. if i stood up and said, i am a man and how dare you attack all men on a collective basis, how do you think i would do in her class? >> i think he would do fine. the reason being, show me her evaluations. our students out there saying, buster walters, professor walters mistreated me. >> while i don't know.

>> so then you are going agains hypothetical. >> tucker: but as she stood up and said, i don't like -- fill in the blanks, and i think you would have a right to say, can i be treated fairly? > again, that's apples and oranges. you know thatt men are the peope who are in power. when we look at fortune 500 companies, 4.5% of fortune 500 companies have women ceos. >> tucker: what does that have to do with anything? the most powerful country in the word of his -- but you can't and you shouldn't ever make collective judgments about people on the basis of controlling the afternoon.ak but one is the judgment that she's making? is she saying a patriarchy exists, women are oppressed by men. >> tucker: if not all women

are oppressed by minute, that's alive. and it's also a sign of mental illness to really believe that. it's a system that has existed for hundreds of years where women are suppressed. i can give you examples not only in ourd securities but around te world. >> tucker: it's very hard for me to not keep on with the invective because she so dumb, shee can teach at a college. but let me set that aside i i e and occupy yourself -- i think there are ways to fightou patriarchy. >> tucker: what about resigning give your job up? wouldn't that be effective? >> i think one of the effective ways to do it is to recognize and be willing to accept female

leadership.ng that's what she's really saying. >> tucker: i think what she's really saying is, you should resign, believe patriarchy isal real and give your job to a woman. >> i don't think that's what she's saying, their argument should be systematic. the one not that every man is the same,am just like every memr of every ethnic group is not the same. but every man needs to be open to female leadership. >> tucker: and i think women should be open to treating men as individuals and not as a group. >> that has happened historically, but right now we need to be -- >> tucker: all right, call me. up next, the overlords arrive and he explains the arrival.

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>> tucker: science fiction is quickly becoming reality in russia, not for the first time. one russia company has unveiled a 13-foot, 5-ton bullet proof robot. it can't move yet but the russians say they expect eventually they will be able to use its giant clause to perform battlefield tasks and holds weapons. meanwhile in san francisco, a restaurant is serving robot-made burgers, but are today's robot chefs tomorrow's robot overlords? that's the concern. greg gutfeld is the cohost of "the five." he joins us tonight. i'm very concerned about our coming robot overlords. >> embrace it. number one, what you just saw in russia is not a robot, it's a car made of wood with arms and legs. >> tucker: that's probably true. >> it is. it's not going anywhere, there's no video. i feel bad for him. jacob smirnoff is probably inside that car right now is telling jokes. r number two, i'm all for the robots overtaking the world, but not in our food service industry

because what's going to happen is you're going to get a whole new organic movement. t organic is natural foods. now people will have organic restaurants where people will serve it, people will cook it. that will be deemed organic and then it will be a fight between robots and humans and we will lose, just like on every other planet.. we never hear from other planets because they are all run by robots.. >> tucker: that doesn't actually make me feel better though. >> it shouldn't. be like me.ac i'm like benedict arnold. i'm a traitor to the robots. i am behind the robot -- for example, there are studies that show that judges deny parole based on their appetite. we don't need to replace chefs. we need to replace judges with robots and then life would be better. by the way, when you put robot a before anything it makes it better.tt robot dogs are better, robot ants are better. robot tucker would be better

than tucker. by a little bit. >> tucker: i feel threatened. i am with you the first part. i do welcome our new insectne overlords. i don't know why the rest of usi sit back passively and allow even the potential for technology to give ushe orders. >> the good news is we can always unplug them and they all have a battery. but here's the thing, we are not. we are going to come to rely on them the way we rely on our phones. essentially we've already implanted technology into our bodies. it's our phone, which ise' connected to our hand, which is now basically an external drive for our brain.n. we carry this around. it's got everything we could ever need in the world. every book you ever want to read. that's your external drive.. robots are going to take care of us and they are going to be awesome. you are going to love it. it's going to be great. but you don't want them to help cook your food.

you want humans. >> tucker: i just read your book. in the acknowledgments of your robot who wrote it. >> he's a ghost robot writer. he's a robo ghost. >> tucker: that's the beauty of robots, they don't regret it. now you're winning me over.et >> you don't have to pay them, they don't have bathroom breaks, they don't have smoke breaks. y they don't poop. they are perfect! i'm telling you! that's what you need robot judges. what's the worst thing we are seeing right now? emotion replacing thought.hi >> tucker: it's true. >> a robot as a judge, there's no emotion. robots should be making all of our decisions while we kick back and eat the glorious, glorious food created by loving people. >> tucker: that's why i hate robots, because they are more impressive than i am. greg gutfeld, also more impressive.at great to see you.mo that's it for us tonight, sadly. another hour gone. tune in every night including tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink, which are almost overwhelming right now.

we pledge to fight back, that's the only way it will stop. in the meantime, good night from washington. guess who's next? sean hannity. >> sean: i'm waiting.s three seconds early! tucker, good to see you, great show as always. welcome to "hannity." breaking news, multiple fronts. just a few hours from now bruce ohr, the twice demoted corrupt doj official at the very center of the deep state effort to stop donald trump is set to testify before congress. coming up we will detail how ohr became a seedy central figure in what is the destroy trump movement. plus we have breaking news tonight, a new report from sara carter showing how a government whistle-blower allegedly punished after sounding the alarm on a strange million-dollar contract given to a key player in the government's effort to surveil the trump administration. this will blow you away. also tonight, there is a new scary list circulating on capitol hill.