are trying to nail trump. with bouquets, trumped up, never happened evidence. >> laura: boo. let not your heart be troubled. the news continues. ingraham. she does radio. she does everything. >> laura: hi. am i on? >> sean: [laughs] why would i walk handily show? >> laura: i'm getting ready for college football. >> sean: big time, me, too. >> laura: can you zoom on this? be to gotta tell you one thing. what does it say? >> laura: alabama. a. >> sean: wow. roll tide. >> laura: only ranked number one of the country. >> sean: i am not a saturday football guy. the nfl can fight over the ethanol they want. i'm done. i'm watching saturday college football. to be what i love my redskins. i am one of those redskin hopefuls. we will win one day again.

>> sean: [laughs] one day again. i know. i thought they had the best quarterback ever and sadly injuries got to him. >> laura: when you bring up football you are so right. when alabama came to the football, nick sabin shows up -- >> sean: greatest coach ever. >> laura: the players were there, i'm sure a lot of people don't like trump, but they were respectful, they showed up, a great event, beautiful day. that is the way it should -- just respect the office. >> sean: i agree. get the politics that was worse, period. i agree. >> laura: handed to get him a fantastic show, great job on this unit issue. we'll continue with more of that. welcome to washington. i'm laura ingraham, this is "the ingraham angle" in a very busy wednesday night. another black eye for cnn. do they have any other eyes and black eyes? is not just those stories they are getting wrong, now they are defending one of the most violent groups in the country. a former cnn contributor is here to tell us what the heck is going on. plus some interesting excuses

from catholic leadership as a sexual abuse scandal widens. and what former trump official's unveiling a new musical off-broadway? i will give you a hint: it will have a short run. raymond arroyo joins us with that and more in "seen and unseen" and some exclusive details from inside that bruce ohr hearing yesterday. former prosecutor andy macarthur is here. but first, far left billionaires uniting to remake america. that is the focus of tonight's "angle." ♪ remember when the democratic party had a shred of a belief in freedom and democracy? the far left bernie sanders contingent used to be existing kind of only on the fringes, while more establishment figures, like hillary clinton and so forth, they ran the show. but no more. big democratic donors have begun

to support some of the hard left socialist candidates that may be merged on the scene recently. last night's election told us a lot. top democratic billionaires tom steyer and george soros put their money behind far left tallahassee mayor andrew ghulam before florida governor. edifying expectations, he pulled off our primary victory last night against six other candidates. he is african-american male version of alexandria ocasio-cortez. he's young, dynamic, and he's running on a platform of universal medicare, legalize marijuana, and abolishing i.c.e. exciting. and he is viewed by hard left democrats is kind of a savior from the stranglehold of the parties establishment had had on their desires, hopes, and dreams. they picked the perfect guy. his city hall under investigation, fbi, corruption,

and tallahassee boasting florida's highest crime rate three years running. good going, guys. that is something to run on. but let's look at who his supporters are. of course, many of you will be familiar with george soros, the billionaire who has funded the liberal center for american progress, moveon.org, and his open society foundation, which spreads money all over the place, globally by the way. in the 2016 campaign cycle, "the new york times" magazine reports that soros spent spent $25 million while not lose their campaign of hillary clinton and other leftist candidates' causes. this year, he's already blown $15 million to support democratic candidates and other causes. now gillum knew a good deal when he saw it. so last year, he courted soros' organization and spoke at a number of their gatherings. then when they met at san francisco, soros promised to

back his gubernatorial run. he was impressed with gillum. billionaire san francisco financier and philanthropist tom steyer also bankrolled gillum's campaigning and he saw him as basically a new and almost improved version of obama because he was more left wing. now remember, steyer is the activist who just finished up a 30 city town hall tour. he is contemplating his own 2020 run for president. that's part of what he's doing here. and he's not letting the grass grow underneath him. steyer is running as encouraging people to sign a trump impeachment petition. steyer himself is kind of the impeachment pitch man. he's openly urging the president's removal from office. >> how much more does congress need to see? donald trump has not been implicated in two felony crimes, and he's all but confessed to them on on fox news. no one is above the law. so we have to make sure this

president doesn't use pardons to cover up crime. if you agree that a president should not be allowed to pardon himself or his associates, join us at needtoimpeach.com. the establishment doesn't have the courage to act by the american people can. >> laura: i should add that steyer funneled about $800,000 into the get out the vote initiative prior to the gillum run so he was critical in that gillum race as well. but listening to that impeachment commercial for a second, you think about the democratic establishment, they tried to keep the impeachment talk at arm's length. well, what they are really doing is letting the billionaires boys club do their dirty work for them. because they know that this mobilizes the far left base, keep some kind of happy. it gives nancy pelosi, maybe even schumer, eric swalwell, those types, plausible

deniability. that's not us, that's tom steyer. and steyer has promised to spend at least $30 million to blocked progressives this campaign season. this means, by the way, the key -- not soros -- is the most important democratic donor the united states. but he's not content to support any democratic candidate who comes along. hazes bankrolling far left radicals who will upend the political system. that is where his mind is. he was at that -- i like the color did not bruise convention -- all of those far lefties -- i got to crack that. we got to correct that someday, matt. they were in new orleans earlier this summer. check it out. >> how many people in this room think that the democratic establishment in washington is listening to you and doing what she wants?

seriously. they are message to me and the five and half million americans who are demanding donald trump's impeachment is bad politics. it is off message and it will galvanize the republicans. to you and to me and to millions of americans, this is all pretty obvious. >> laura: he should have worn a hoodie instead of no tie. he is trying to be a really cool blue-collar guy, no tie, going to unbutton her shirt. if you will have it open, just but in the next methadone -- that's weird. i'm sorry. i have a question, was maxine waters out of town monday? no one is talking but impeachment. some of them are. steyer is using his billions to ensure the candidacy of these newly minted socialists who he hopes will swamp america. the whole electoral landscape for the democrats.

in florida is a great place to start because if you can flip florida, keep it blue, or get it back to where they think it should be blue, they think they can take the presidency as well. the is what this is really all about. it's about 2020. here's the irony: both steyer and soros made all of their dog being aggressive capitalists, global capitalists. remember, soros spent all that money in eastern europe where the soviet union fell, big money, these guys have an inside deal on the hard-core capitalism. but now that they have their billions, they want to spread the gospel of socialism, that's devastating countries like venezuela, 2 million people have left venezuela, huge crisis, and also in nicaragua, 2,000 people fled nicaragua. i will tell you more about that story as the weeks go on. even europe is beginning to

reject the old socialist way. in fact -- this is kind of funny -- george soros' former protege, viktor orban, was just reelected prime minister of hungary earlier this year and he ran against soros' old buddy. so this is, like, anti-soros mania, they had big billboards up and he won vague and hungry. so soros-backed open society foundation in fact had to closes than a month after viktor orban, his former protege, got reelected. i love that story. back here in the united states, it would be so foolish for us, the republican party, among conservatives, to just dismiss this as a bunch of billionaires wasting their money. sometimes they have wasted their money, like on hillary. but this is not a passing fad. this is a direction the democrats are going and pray they got all these young people,

they think socialism is just kind of a social club. they don't know the history of socialism. so conservatives better redouble their efforts to educate the young about the false promises and the dangers of socialism. we know they are not being properly talked about the paris of socialism in the public schools, private schools either for that matter, or the universities. so we have to do it. and we have to commit real dollars to social media campaigns, exposing what socialism is doing, make them cool, make them sexy looking, make them educational. we have to plaster social media. we have to support conservative candidates who are great in front of the camera to repel the leftist advance. if we don't act now, you can expect tom steyer's impeachment petition to grow, grow longer and longer. and that's "the angle" ."

joining the number reaction mismatch lab, chairman of the american conservative union. victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institution and eric johnson, turning a democratic strategist. all right, matt schaub, let's start with you. i've heard conservatives say -- oh, i do they helped us just waste their money. but when you see that steyer, it's really steyer, lesser extent soros, steyer has picked this guy out as the person most likely to push forward the socialist agenda in the state of florida. that is not an exaggeration. and by golly, he won the primary. >> at work, yeah. >> laura: how serious should republicans take this lurch to the left funded by some of the richest people on the left in america? speak a very serious. one of the things about our campaign lost, laura, we don't know how much money he spends. youth roots of numbers out there, that is what we have to account for with record-keeping. we don't know what they are

spending and they are dead serious, they want to spend their billions to really retake these seats. you are right, it's not just about winning the governor's braces or the senate races or house races. it's about taking back the white house, stopping the trump agenda. one final thing, the republican party's platform is actually pretty popular. but sometimes our leaders are worried to embrace it. the democrat, when the american people really know the democratic party is, it is frightening. it is left wing, it is radical. to a certain extent, i would like to see this completely exposed. >> laura: well, they media are saying that this is -- this is, like, mainstream, this is where the country's, and victor davis hanson come i want to go to you. soros and steyer, they made all their money on budget and the markets, shorting the markets, going long in the markets, playing all these games in europe, and now it is -- oh, no, forgot to bring america back to the failed policies of europe that are being rejected to the

europeans that have devastated places like venezuela and now we are seeing what's happening in nicaragua. your reaction to all of this? >> steyer got his wealth in part to infest and hold call plans d and george soros, who was indicted and injected in france, responsible for the crisis of the bank of england, so they don't have sterling, ethical records. the point is, the democratic party of humphrey, jfk, or bill clinton, no longer exists. it's a pyramid with a few grandees on top that have enough money they can be immune from the consequences of their own ideology and a group on the bottom who depend on subsidies and may blu to the middle class. a lot of this passion comes from is reading the two elections of barack obama. they felt like i was introductory that was going to be permanent and create a progressive future and really it was unique to obama and hillary clinton inherited all the downsides of losing the middle class under obama, who, after all, lost the house and senate and local races. but she got none of the upside,

that is record minority turnout and block voting. finally, they've so delegitimized trim, or attempted to cover that socialism is sort of portrayed as a legitimate opposition to an abnormal situation. we normally don't like socialists but if we create enough chaos, analogous to the 2008 election, or the watergate, then socialism looks sober and judicious as a foil. >> laura: victor, it's what you've written about for years. matt, you've talked about it. this is a level of ignorance about basic historical facts subverted in universities, subverted in our high schools, or not taught at all. eric, you are proud democrat, and i admire that. if i were democrat today, while it's exciting to have all this money funneling end, just like the republicans need suburban women voters, democrats need the

american middle class to return to the democrat party, as sympathetic to their cause. how does it socialism answer the concerns of blue-collar america? >> the question is, if you it is all socialism -- >> laura: eric, they are calling a socialism! what are you talking about? >> they are not necessarily calling it socialism -- not really. the thing is, if you want to label it -- >> laura: yes, she has. >> many people can label things on the right as being sort of corporate autocracy, or oligarchy and not for the american people. so the way you want to choose and put down these labels of the political system determines the political -- determines the public opinion on these particular subjects. now if you look at the donations, what soros and what the other individual is doing is nothing different than what the koch brothers have been doing for years for the republican party.

>> laura: i agree with you on that. i'm not disagreeing. let's take on the issues where we want -- advance the narrative. you are right. koch brothers spent a lot of money on local races. i'm not saying they can't spend their money. what i'm talking about -- >> the question is, you are labeling it as socialism. >> laura: air coming have to know at your own people are saying. ocasio-cortez says socialism is part of me. part of what i represent. bernie sanders did not run away from the socialist label. this andrew gillum in florida is for medicare, free medicare, free health care for all, as most socialist countries affect, abolish i.c.e. criminal border -- we will have no enforcement mechanisms to return people to their home countries -- >> i would say that is different than the weights being implemented right now. >> laura: exactly, we won't have orders. >> right now it's not necessarily as effective, it can be done in such a way that it's protecting the borders but also protecting those individuals who are here and proper citizens in this country and those who are taking the proper steps to

become citizens in this country. >> laura: all i can say for all you guys, we got to go to our next block but barack obama was called a disappointment by george soros, the big "new york times" magazine piece. he said obama disappointed him. he didn't consult him enough. he wasn't socialist enough for soros. soros wants to -- open society is really about open borders. that is what it is, no borders, no restriction on movement, sovereignty is out the window, all these principles we hold dear as americans, they are supported in that world. i don't see how is great for the democrat party, i don't think it's great for the country, that's where it's going. >> hasn't been so good or venezuela either. >> laura: thank you for raising that. thank you for the incredible panel. we had a somewhat related topic here. giancarlo, democrat, the son of parents who flood capture cuba, acted in "usa today" op-ed, he's boarding the party against embracing what we just discussed. he wrote, given the horrific

record of human suffering, to be a moral disgrace to embrace socialism just win elections as some suggest. giancarlo joined us now. we are happy to have him pray giancarlo, you heard the conversation, matt sharp and victor davis hanson think i'm a warning, history tells us, like a flashing morning sun, do not go down this path. they were embracing democratic socialism. i don't care what the are trying to calling it but they are embracing it. your reaction? >> socialists love poor people so much that they duplicate them by the millions. that's a philosophy of failure and it's a moral disgrace, like i said in my op-ed. what has happened in countries like cuba and countries like venezuela, our human disasters. thousands and thousands of cubans have died at sea trying to flee socialism, trying to get up united states of america. you have venezuelans, 2 million have left their country in the last three years alone. what you are seeing is a mass exodus away from socialism, yet

they are some -- i want to be clear, i think most democrats are honorable, good people. but i think there are some within the party that are trying to infiltrate democratic socialism and they are trying to confuse people by making them think it's what the system they have in denmark. it is not what they have in denmark. denmark is a free-market capitalist country. what groups like the democratic socialists of america are proposing are -- is likely ideological counterparts of what you see in havana and in caracas. >> laura: how long will you stay a democrat? will you stay a democrat if this is where the ends up? if this is where it ends up, and the democratic socialist movement, i mean, we want you to become a republican. we want to -- you are a common sense guy. your party is going crazy. crazy left. wrap it up it up. >> what i got to tell you is that the party of john f. kennedy cannot become the party of karl marx. read? what we are seeing, what's happening now because of some people -- not all -- but because of some, a few years ago -- >> laura: you should announce

it. >> they should denounce it. >> laura: i want to have an extended conversation on radio about this. it's fascinating. programs have their own challenges. this is a critical conversation and will have you back. up next, cnn embarrassing itself once again. stay there.

>> laura: it wasn't enough for cnn to quadruple the number of dubious trump tower story, the one that lanny davis as a primary source, they are now defending antifa. cnn's senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, i thought he was a lot smarter than us, reacting to the presidents warning that liberals will violently turn back his agenda if republicans lose in november. he specifically mentions antifa. >> let's be clear also about what is going on here. the theme here is, i am donald trump at i will protect you from the scary black people. antifa is widely perceived of as an african-american organization. this is about black versus white, that is about donald trump's appeal to racism, and it just happens all the time and we never say it, we don't say it enough for what it is. but that is what is going on. >> laura: i got to say, these are the phases of antifa. okay? here are some of the lovelies

that were arrested recently -- the berkeley deal. does this look like an oppressed black organization to you? mostly liberal white kids in scarves. headscarves. [laughs] jeffrey toobin's ham-handed attack on the present wasn't bad enough, though, angered don lemon chose to defend them altogether. >> listen, there is no organization perfect, there is an violence, no one condones the violence but there are different reasons for antifa and for these neo-nazis to be there, one, racist, fascist, the other group fighting racist fascist. there is a difference there. >> laura: did he say no organization is perfect? [laughs] there's a lot of moments where you just can't believe this is happening in our country. joining me now to their reaction to what is going on at sea and on, jeffrey lord, former reagan official who once worked as a cnn contributor and trip

franklin, national talk show host and media commentator. jeffrey lord, you talked at cnn. i got to say, i played that bite on the radio this morning, how to have my guys play that again. i never in my life thought of antifa as a black organization. it is mostly the anti-wto crowd, the occupy wall street crowd, overwhelmingly white, probably most of them privileged liberals. >> correct. i know most of these people over there and i like them enormously. i heard that this morning, and i almost fell out of my chair. sitting in the living room. i mean, what are they smoking? i mean, this is just unbelievable to me. all you have to do is do -- what i assume you just noticed show some pictures here. pay attention to these folks. not to mention these folks are out and out fascists. i mean, they should drop the

anti-and just call it fa. they are into violence, they are into hurting people, they have no business of the american dialogue, period prayed for cnn to be supporting them is mind-boggling. >> laura: chip, the president today expanded on the comments about violence and he said this. >> i just hope there won't be violence. i can tell you that because that's the way i guess if you look at what happens, is a lot of unnecessary violence all over the world. but also in this country. and i don't want to see it. >> laura: he doesn't want to see violence. you see those pictures, the video from berkeley of trump supporters getting bashed in the head, smashing windows every time i conservative speaks on college campus or if they are upset about taking over i.c.e., it's craziness. how was this a racial issue on the part of cnn? >> it is really selective, laura, for starters. by the way, lemmon said -- he

didn't have this in the quote -- he said there are racist and fascists and one-sided and there are good people on the other, like in charlottesville. cornel west told me if it weren't for antifa, if they hadn't been there, if antifa had not protected them, they would have been crushed like cockroaches. this country is built on violence in the spread didn't, you displayed, he is a guy this is how the climate. he's a guy that hold the nra he could shoot hillary. he is a guy that told cops, why do you put the prisoners and cars and not bang their heads, why do you lower their heads? he also said this is a nation that if you protest, we'll take care of the protests. he said the climate. >> laura: you just recited, which is very familiar, the liberal -- >> i didn't recite anything. >> laura: the liberal talking points and you deflected my point. my point is a very simple one. don lemon -- hold on, don lemon made a distinction, and he made the distinction by saying that antifa was, in fact, an organization that was kind of in its own way standing

up for what is right. and i'm paraphrasing. there is no difference there. whether -- >> what? because there is a grassroots organization by a lot of people. this country is built on violence. 300 million guns in this country, they go, show up, charlottesville is a classic example. they show up to stop racists, this president says, oh, there is good and bad on both sides. >> laura: we played video, jeffrey lord, antifa chasing down a car after the latest protest in washington when 24 white nationalists showed up in d.c. you got people menacing, regular people driving down the road. don't talk about how great the antifa people were -- >> i'm not saying there great! >> laura: they are thugs and domestic terrorists. jeffrey paraded >> charlottesville,

steve bannon -- no, you way too. trump was the one encouraging that -- >> laura: steve bannon wasn't in charlottesville, chip. don't sell this garbage on this show. >> the one-sided approach you have, the people on the right that are calling for violence, trump said, the better terms for the democrats way, there's going to be violence. you don't find a problem with that? speed when you go back to charlottesville -- we have it antifa all across the country. charlottesville has been condemned, including by the president. >> these are people standing up against the kind of violence that you are propagating. >> laura: they are for chaos and anarchy. jeffrey? >> laura, in 1968, donald trump was, what, about 18 years old or something like that? where was he when the democrats were under siege that their own democratic convention by leftist protesters. donald trump was nowhere near these wto protests. he was nowhere near when they were smashing windows -- >> you are going back to '68? mayor daley is dead.

>> laura: this is donald trump's fault? you are telling me this is donald trump's fault? this is in the left, violence is in the dna of the american left, and always has been. >> you are high. if this president comes out every day and calls for violence against people who disagree with his administration. >> laura: he comes out every day -- he just said, we got to tamp down on the violence, it's not good in this country, and we can't stand for it. we just literally played the sound bite, chip, and you come out and say that you should work for cnn. god bless you, but we just play this sound bite work trump said no violence! and you say the president -- >> this is a guy that lies. he's lied to 3,000 times in the year and half, and you will take one sound bite and say that is exemplifying this president? come on! be honest with yourself! >> laura: i think, again, if the democrats want to appeal to people in the middle, who they need, and republicans have their

own set of challenges, you got to be very careful who is running the show on the protest front. and that applies to charlottesville and it applies to antifa. great conversation. mounting calls to the pope to resign. we'll tell you about it next. hey, what are you guys doing here? we're voya. we stay with you to and through retirement. so you'll still be here to help me make smart choices? well, with your finances that is. we had nothing to do with that tie. voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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now he is staging a comeback on in new york the other day, he did a 15 minute set ed a little comedy club on the east side and people are complaining, particularly victims, saying it's too early, you shouldn't have come back. this is a little taste of his comedy. >> i'm the guy that women see and they go -- >> and they are still doing that. matt lauer, "the today show" fame, he talked to some fans at a restaurant, it was reported in page six this week, he said, i will back on tv, too. matt lauer had a list as long as my arm off accusations against him. the question is how long do you have to stay in me too purgatory? my sense is, you have to have a public contrition. you need to be called out and she and publicly i think but then the audience, these guys can put their toes in the water and see if the audience will accept them. my guess is, they want. the scandalous beggar. >> laura: matt lauer, a lot of the blue hairs were going up to him -- matt, i love you and willard

scott! you were great with willard! the glory days. >> wears bryant? looking for bryant goebel and katie. got to tell you but are two off-broadway musical that was unveiled the other day by a former, it's very brief, white house official brady introduce the cast of a new trump musical at a white house press conference. i wish i were making this up. here's anthony scaramucci. >> just great fun. my stock answer is, i always wanted a second white house press conference, and i couldn't get one, i only lasted 11 days. >> he introduced to this gas, who are playing members of the trump family. i will set this up very quickly. this is kind of like an osmond special, trump family is gathering but daddy trump doesn't show up. so ivanka has to assume the role as hostess and what does the family do when data is detained? pacing. -- abasing

♪ ♪ >> laura: oh, my god. did anthony scaramucci, who's been very nasty come by the way, to me, even though he sat where you set a couple of times, not anytime soon, but does he have some creative -- was he better at producing or being involved in us than he was as five seconds as press secretary? >> i think they just hired him to promote this. it's so embarrassing. >> laura: first of all, why is ivana back? >> i will only go see this win the mooch and omarosa are for looms. when they come into the cast. >> laura: this weekend, a former vatican diplomat charged

that the pope and several -- -- they told a local nbc affiliate of the pope -- it's just too busy. >> the pope is a bigger agenda. he's got on to other things, talking about the environment, and taught though my protecting migrants, caring on the work of the church. we are not going to go down to tell mike to a rabbit hole on this. >> wait a minute, charges that there are corruption and a culture of silence at the very upper echelon of the church, that is a rabbit hole? that affects victims today and victims to come -- >> laura: let me just tell you. that stupid comment was disgusting, dismissive, and revealing of how far left the catholic church has gone. >> i can't stop it. he said, here's the real reason that we are seeing this resistance to pope francis mas accusations.

>> quite frankly, they also don't like him because he's a latino. >> laura: watched? because they don't like it because he's latino. he's full-blooded italian couple who grew up in argentina. so i am more latino than him. i don't know if we will have time. there was a people event, the wednesday audience in rome, and some people thought they were yelling "vigano," the archbishop -- >> laura: accusations that the pope knew about the archbishop's sleeping the seminarians. >> [crowd chanting] >> there is some dispute as to whether this is actually vigano. there was a bishop on the stage with the pope. his name is italio.

they say it is a crowd of kids yelling out. some friends knew all might claim it was a blend of things. >> laura: this is like that viral thing. what was it? >> yanni or laurel? vigano or italia. you be the judge. >> laura: we won't come. i listened to it, sounds like vigano to me. what is the tilt of the pope -- where does it tell to him? >> he is, according to reports, embittered by this brady hasn't said anything. people are -- >> laura: guess what vigano said. he said i am completely serene and at peace because i said the truth. as president trump launches a new offensive against the doj's bruce ohr, we have no info tonight about what mr. ohr revealed during his new, closed-door testimony next. or... around the yard. on the shelf... or even... out in the field. your mom knew she could always count on us...

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♪ >> laura: president trump took another shot earlier today at bruce ohr, that doj official thought to be behind the politically charged steele dossier, tweeting, "how the hill is bruce ohr still employed at the justice department? disgraceful. witch hunts." i happen to agree. we have now learned some insight details of what happened to mr. ohr when he testified behind closed doors by joining you now to explain his former fellow prosecutor in prosecutor and fox news contributor andrew mccarthy prayed with me in the studio, former doj attor. andy, let's start with you.

what can we conclude about ohr? then we'll move onto sessions and the donald mcgahn issue. >> apparently, laura, ohr is cooperating with the congressional committees and i think the most intriguing thing we heard was that he provided the names of a number of people who were in the loop with in terms of what he was doing in communications with steele. he was in communication with christopher steele, who is the author of the dossier, throughout the period of time that the dossier was being written and compiled by steele, and it seems that ohr is an important person because he's really at the nexus of the fusion gps and the justice department fbi side of what i think is actually the most interesting collusion we have seen so far. >> laura: you've written a great stuff about what the real collusion is here. james, it is wild that -- we don't have any indication that

bruce ohr was -- either he wasn't revealing that his wife was a fusion gps person to any of his superiors or they didn't care. meanwhile, meeting with christopher steele and now apparently seeing a widening circle of people involved in this. what is your initial take on this? >> the whole thing is amazing. at some point, the disclosure about where his wife is working obviously should have made its way through the channel. but i think of the whole circumstance of sitting down from his position with christopher steele a dozen times, with the fbi taking notes and creating a report, it is just unheard of. i have to think, we'll find out eventually may be, i have to think it is freelancing. he's on his own frolicking to you to wear with the fbi, with nobody supervising, nobody looking at it, and we all find out -- >> laura: we don't know, though, do we? this went into 2017, having these conversations. this was proceeding past the

election and we know about the insurance policy that they needed, that was discussed by stzrok. they are freaking out that trump is president. this is all they got, they got this dossier, got to keep this thing going, keep this thing going, in order to get the surveillance to continue, the vigano wants to continue against poor old carter page, the affable carter page, a sweet guy but it's a whole thing. we got a hold onto something. christopher steele, we are not supposed to talk to him because he's already talking to the media, but i can still have these back channel conversations with him. that can't be ethical, is it? >> you can't, no. >> laura: crazy! how is he working in the justice department still, by the way? >> when you are the department of justice, i was there for a long time, and he was there for a long time, and me just as, although there are a a lot of wonderful people that work there, there is no bigger sign of purgatory then being sent there against your will. so the fact that bruce ohr is an

international affairs means he is not an favored status. he's hanging by a thread. the cumbersome process of discharging a federal employee is very long but that's a clear sign that he is not in cahoots or in step with the leadership there. they are not looking to keep them there. >> laura: andy, let's talk about where we are with the jeff sessions in an jeff sessions jeff at the white house. democrats are now kind of rushing -- sometimes come both jeff sessions, they don't like him on any policy but you get the sense that if trump is mad at jeff sessions, democrats want to embrace sessions. what is happening there? >> it's hard to know, laura, because in terms of what we are talking about tonight, we haven't seen anything happening. you know, sometime ago, the attorney general -- this is months ago -- said that he was referring this sort of investigation of the investigators to both the inspector general at the justice

department, horwitz, and also to john huber, the united states attorney for the district of utah, who is supposed to be taking an independent look at this, as if he were a special counsel but one who is in house and the justice department rather than brought in from outside, like robert mueller. that all sounds great, in fact, it is along the lines of what i and a number of other people recommended. the bizarre thing is, we haven't heard anything about it and i'm all for investigative integra integrity and investigative circuits secrecy but at a certain point, i think we are entitled to know what are they up to, can we get some sort of interim report. we haven't heard a word. >> laura: ben sasse, quickly, james, said, he won't push to confirm any replacement for jeff sessions. the never trump people, they are creating a narrative "we got to protect mueller, rosenstein,

sessions," never heard these people are willing to protect republicans in my life. >> it is unusual stretch. how often have we seen a president basically publicly ridiculing the attorney general and the deputy attorney general? we are pretty far removed from john and robert kennedy at this point. but the bottom line if it is, the president is entitled to a fate that the people that he was in those positions, he clearly has problems with them. when i think it's kind of interesting, you're starting to see little bits of backlash and very subtle ways from either the attorney general, where they arr the deputy attorney general. being very fatalistic. if you will fire them, you fire me. that is the time they are taking. they are chugging along doing their business. a lot of politics but in terms of the day-to-day operations of the department, i think it will continue. >> laura: andy, does donald mcgahn continue his apparent departure after the confirmation of brett kavanaugh? anything big we should know there? >> laura, i don't really think so. for myself, i've heard this was

going to happen for months and i have much less good sources than y'all down in washington have. >> laura: people are freaking out about this all day long. so i figured andy mccarthy would set us straight. stay there. world. i had no idea the amount of damage that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. we're the baker's and we're usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today.

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>> laura: now we have some horrifying revelations out of rural new mexico in that horrible case there that the media is not showing you. according to the most recent evidence, the family has been using their compound is a terrorist training camp for the 11 children they were holding. agents found these handwritten letters titled "phases of a terrorist attack," which detail the steps to a successful suicide attack in the name of a la. in the united states of america. despite all of that, a judge in new mexico today decided to release three of the five defendants. ruling authorities violated the state's ten day rule. how do you botch that? andy mccarthy is back with us. i'm so glad you stayed, andy. this also is an interesting connection to the case that you worked on, the '93 world trade bombing. we'll get to that involvement. explain how we could get to this place, where three of the five defendants are released.

>> while, laura, they made these arrests a couple of weeks ago, and i guess they have been investigating since, and they got to the point where they thereafter charge them and an indictment or go through what they call a probable cause or preliminary hearing, and what i sense happens was they decided that two of these characters were the ringleaders and they appear to have ratcheted up the charges on the two of them and then decided perhaps that they couldn't make the case and the other three so they didn't go forward on those. that doesn't mean that they can't at some future time indict them but that seems unlikely to me. >> laura: i guess, it doesn't matter if they are flight risk because they are not charged with anything. but that is the concern obviously. right? >> right. they had already been strong on bail to begin with, which i guess, in some ways, more outrageous than what happened today because if what happened

today they didn't have enough evidence to go forward as one thing, but letting any of them out is insane. >> laura: can you explain -- the whole thing drives me -- this whole case is so hideous, what is done to their children, one dead -- explain your connection -- one minute left after this case and the '93 world trade center bombing. >> laura, the father of the ringleader runs a fairly notorious mosque in brooklyn. his name is the same and not mosque posted the blind shake, who i prosecuted in the early 1990s, and connections with the world trade center bombing, and a plot to bomb the new york city landmarks. he actually appeared, the eldest, as a character witness for the defendants in the trial. so we are seeing a guy who was enmeshed in this ideology back when and where you have the results of it. >> laura: we are welcoming

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>> shannon: vigano is the one a. they don't want that archbishop to be named to the papal audience. causing trouble over the vatican. they have enough trouble to cause here. shannon bream, by the way, and the "fox news @ night" team do not cause trouble. they are just doing a great show every night and i watch every night before i go to sleep. shannon? >> shannon: thank you. you two are definitely after tomfoolery tonight for a there is no doubt about it. behave yourselves. >> laura: have a great show. >> shannon: thanks, laura. this is a fox news alert. one report because of the biggest investigation in years. fbi agents undercover in florida's capital. democratic gubernatorial candidates, tallahassee mayor, andrew gillam, facing tough questions, so is his