night, ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to the "tucker carlson tonight." we've been watching too much tv again and can't help but notice that it's a staple of every cable news show on television pretty much. the battle for the soul of the republican party. the other channels are forever inviting on some discredited neocon or unemployed political hack. to find out how the g.o.p. is in a state of existential crisis. the topic isn't entirely phony, real rifts do exist obviously and we cover them. but basically in its totality thisny is propaganda because it intentionally obscure is a much larger and far more interesting story. the democratic party is transforming before our eyes. the party of tom foley, tip

o'neill and even bill clinton is long gone.ic pretty soon the party of nancy pelosi and chuck schumer will be history, too. in its place is emerging something new, the party of andrew gillum.na he's the mayor of tallahassee, as of last night he is the nominee for the governor of border. he resolve what he believes. >> we want to replace i.c.e. with the department of justice, an entity that has not been tarnished in the same way as tl be nine halves. >> so again, he says you want to abolish i.c.e. and you say you want to replace it, that's the same. >> health care ought to be treated not like a person. >> so you think you should be impeached? >> absolutely do, he has already incriminated himself by interfering with the department ofy justice. basically obstructing justice. >> tucker: the state of florida has long been considered moderate politically, it's a vital swing state during presidential elections.

many pundits last nighton and even democrats have been quick to dismiss andrew gillum's chances this fall. he's too far out there they say come up too much of an outsider. that's absurd, they have no idea what they are talking about. they were embarrassingly wrong in the last election and have learned precisely nothing since. h amazingly they are still in the theyictions business when should be selling aluminum siding or doing something useful. of course he can win, ought to be taking his candidacy very seriously. candidacy is like his are erupting in many places. the man announced to give free health care to foreign nationals. watch. >> i did universal health care when i was mayor, regardless of your immigration status.ar it was the only health care plan for undocumented americans i'm very proud of that, and we prove that you can do it without bankrupting the city.

but like to extend that to the rest of the state. >> tucker: so you sneak into a country, ignoring its laws and you get free health care and return. what a country.in in new york city, a city councilman named jumani williams is within striking distance of becoming that state's next lieutenant governor. n you might recognize his name, he's a pretty good guy and a frequent guest on the shows. he's the one that's always calling people bigots and throw your guns away. we are not exaggerating by the way, check youtube if you don't believe it. that's him. meanwhile in the state of arizona, the democratic nominee for governor david garcia said he would like to erase any barrier at all between the united states and mexico. >> i want to just take a second and imagine, just imagine. just imagine, no wall. no wall in southern arizona. [applause] >> tucker: arizona was once one of the most conservative states politically inn the

country, and now it is a completely different place. he could win. if enough of these candidates to win, you don't have to imagine what a borderless america will look like, it could be the reality and just the beginning of a new reality. a proposal from zephyr teachout, candidate for attorney general and the state of new york. >> as attorney general, i continue to speak out against z i.c.e., i will prosecute i.c.e. for their criminal acts. >> tucker: putting law enforcement in prison for enforcing the laws that bipartisan majorities in congress passed. so you don't need to be a trunk partisan or a conservative republican or some kind of wacko right winger to worry about while all of this. any normal american ought to be deeply concerned about what the democratic party is in the process of becoming.e a lot of democrats are in the process ofhi that. not because the ideas are good or bad for anyone specifices group, but because they are bad for america overall. christopher harris is the president of nonhyphenated

america, and he joins us tonight. thank you very much for coming on. it seems worth talking about to me with the democratic party ist becoming. i think a lot of republicans are in complete denial about what could potentially happen in the fall and what it means in the press is really unhelpful and just drawingng ot with these candidates are rubbing on. what they say they believe. >> i wouldn't even say it's what they are becoming, it's's what they are. at the end of the date you have to address that this is not your father's democratic g, party, this is not the democratic party of john f. kennedy, this is the party of ocasio-cortez or bernie sanders. this is who they are. but they are also desperate. that's why they are using things like going after desantis, and using a phrase that may have been in artful in its use but when put in proper context, it was not racist at all. so what they are doing, especially because his opponent is black, they are trying to basically -- they are ringing

the bell basically. it's a pavlovian response that they are expecting from black people in general to say, oh, my god, to come up this guy is a racist and we should try to get rid of him. here's what's happening. the economy is doing well.s florida has the second-highest number of black-owned businesses and that's about 251,000 black-owned businesses. what happens when you allow people like mr. gillum to get into office, he wants to,0 increase the corporate taxes on those black owned businesses in general also, by close to 50%. so we need to address the things that are good for all oi america. >> tucker: exactly. that's kind of my frustration, not that people disagree with me, i assume that they do but that we are having the wrong conversation. it's all a sideshow and it's mindless. so-and-so says, okay great. but here you have a candidate who is running on-s the idea tht

health care is a moral right. you have an obligation to pay for someone else's health care. why aren't we debating that? why aren't we fleshing out what that means, has anyone talked about that? s >> they've been conditioned to have a squirrel moment. >> tucker: [laughs] >> but one of my favorite economists said, three questions invalidate anything the left says. at what cost, compared to what and where is your hard data? so when people like mr. gillum say we need to have health care for all, and going back to ther tax issue, one of the things he talked about in his campaign was, our taxes will only be 1% lower than california. while california is a steaming pile of mess right now, it's falling apart. they have to hire people to come and clean up.p. if you have gavin newsom as the mayor and he wants to be governor while basically allowing someone like mr. gillum to be in charge of the entire state. the third largest state in thee country come up with the fourth

largest economy, $967 billion economy and they want to let someone like that run the state, it's going to hurtes everybody. and that's one of those things that people need to be having in this conversation. >> tucker: it would be nice to have conversations about economics once in a while and not just identity.tete because economics affects everyone. >> it affects everybody. >> tucker: thank you very much. cnn has continued to stand by a story that one of the people who sourced it says might be false. in july, you saw in the news that donald trump was aware ofg the famous meeting with the russian lawyer inside trump tower before the meeting happened. this would be potentially significant. lanny davis while representing michael cohen said he was the source for that story and then he admitted he doesn't really know if it's true, he can't back it up.an cnn said there are other sources for the story although it hasn't revealed what they might be. journalistic glenn greenwald explained their reticence to backtrack on an obviously false story.

>> i find it to be -- obviously this is a high bar, but one of the most humiliating and scandalous moments in the entire media behavior of the russia trump saga. they don't want to admit they lied to the world so they can't retract the story and they can't admit that they lied so they are continuing to stick to what everybody knows it is a lie, but not many people care because they think, a lot of people, anyway, that it was done for the right political agenda. >> tucker: alan dershowitz is a professor emeritus ofot the harvard law school and he joins us tonight. professor, thank you for comingl on. watching the cnn saga, and by the way, lots of news organizations get stories wrong, i've gotten stories wrong. but my complaint is that first thing are not telling us what happened, but more than that, would it be significant if the story were true? in other words if the president new this meeting with the russian lawyer was about to take place, should any of us claire? does that matter, is it illegal or unethical?

>> it's not illegal, the president is certainly entitlee to know about a meeting between his son and someone who wanted to give him dirt on a candidate, or want to talk to him about maybe changing rules involving sanctions, those are all perfectly proper meetings. but cnn is in a box and i want to put the best possible light on it. let's assume it has one or two other sources in addition to lanny davis who did the right thing by coming forward and acknowledging that his story -- he doesn't have any support for his story. but they can't reveal their sources.in i have two suggestions for them. number one, they tell us the nature of the sources without telling us the names.e are they eyewitnesses, is it hearsay? or second, that they give their source to their expert on journalism and let their expert decide whether or not they should stick with the story. or some outside expert, someone from the columbia school of journalism, who could learn the

name of the sources and go talk to the sources. still keep their names are confidential and then come forward and say "there is a basis, we are standing behind cnn." they have to do something to preserve their credibility. >> tucker: all news organizations call for transparency, that's our job, so we should providedal when asked, and they are not. you wrote a piece recently that reminded me, anyway, that you are not -- i know you are typecast as a trump defender but you are not a trump defender, you are a liberal. in the piece you made a really interesting point. you said that our system of checks and balances is out of whack because of the independent prosecutor and his investigation. to tell us what you meant. >> that's absolutely right. everyone is checking everyone else under that. madisonian system of checks and balances that has served us so well. the courts are striking down executive orders were sometimes upholding them, the president is it checking congress, particularly if the democrats

get control, will check the presidency. but who is guarding the guardians? who is overseeing the special counsel or other overzealous prosecutors? the courts aren't doing it. there is no process that today exists and i suggest that the appointment of a permanent group to oversee prosecutorial overreaching. it could include great former prosecutors like robert morgan, the legendary d.a. of new york. it could include at ethics experts, constitutional experts like floyd abrams, and they would have the opportunity to at least file reports about prosecutorial overreach. because today the special counsel is the only institution of government outside of our system of checks and balances. >> tucker: whoever thought that up is insane. i hope you live forever because we need people to remind us off that. >> i'm turning 80 in two days, so i'm on my y way. >> tucker: please keep going, we appreciate it.

we have a fox news alert for you. former trump campaign advisor george papadopoulos will not drop his guilty plea with special prosecutor robert mueller, according to his wife. papadopoulos was a low-level aided to trump's campaign and he pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents. his wife was on our show recently and said that he was considering backing out of the plea deal but apparently as of tonight he has changed his mind. more than 90% of the heroin in the united states comes from one country, that country is mexico. now mexican politicians are talking about making it easier to produce heroin in mexico. what are the effects on us? we will speak to a top mexican advisor, next. ♪ this is the ocean.

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♪ >> tucker: mexico is the leading supplier of heroin to the united states, no one else is even close, about 95% of the heroin that comes into this country comes from mexico and that's not a small thing. about 50,000 americans are dying every year of opioid

overdoses. you would think mexico is reputed to a friend and want to help us cut the flow into the country, but that's not happening, the opposite is happening. mexican politicians are planning to legalize opiate production, which of would make it easier to produce heroin and kill americans. almost no one has said anything, but we thought it was worth noting. juan hernandez was advisor to the president of mexico, and he joins us tonight. so i know that the mexican government is not producing heroin, although obviously members of the mexican government have gotten rich because of the heroin trade, but i want to apportion blame, too. drug cartels are doing this. why with the mexican government if mexico is indeed our ally and not our enemy, why would they make it easier for mexican drug cartels to kill americans?

>> well, to start with, this seems like it's a fad now in the united states. let's blame it mexico for all of our problems in the united states. this is ridiculous. you have some legislators in mexico, some legislators especially at the level of theh state of guerrero where the puffy bulbs are produced, and bylb the way, most of the production goes for the terminallyth ill, not to the united states. you have one legislator in mexico, lower-level legislators that are talking about legalizing drugs. my friend, we have them in colorado, also, and other areas of the united states. would you choose not to believe in legalizing drugs. we have a terrible problem in the united states with the consumption of drugs. it's our problem, we need to solve it in the united states and not blame it on mexico. >> tucker: i want to be rational about this but i would save a couple things. i don't believe it's just some legislator in an obscure mexican state, i think the new mexican president has set out

loud and on camera that he's open to this idea. i think that is right, correct me if i'm wrong. also marijuana is not heroin, heroin has a demonstrated ability to override free will. at some point you do not choose to do heroin, you are physically addicted to it. there is a quantum difference. and it's also deadly, 50,000 i people dying every year as a crisis. more people died of drug overdoses this year at -- >> it's part of mental health. i totally agree it's terrible. >> tucker: why shouldn't we consider it an act of t aggression, an act of war, for the country that is the primary -- and no one else comes close -- supplier of this deadly drug into our country to consider making it easier to bring that truck here? why wouldn't we be concerned about that? >> okay. you say you want to be rational and i believe you my friend. we have a problem with thehe consumption in the united states and we must recognize that. the drugs are coming into the

united states and we are not doing anything. you go back to, just say no, with nancy reagan. there has not been a serious program and the united states to stop the drug consumption. i've had members of the dea to tell me in the united states, if we could just stop a few of the trucks in california and in texas, we would -- because we are talking about from mexico, from central america, from afghanistan, other countries. it is wholesale coming to the united states. >> tucker: but look, i'm trying to track -- i understand.un >> millions of people are consuming drug and it's a very complex problem end of mexico in the united states need to work together. >> tucker: i'm wondering why -- you are doing what many of our guests try to do. deny states needs a new tack on the problem.on all rehabilitation programs don't work and we need to make them better. there's a lot of things we coulu

do. what you are totally unwilling, as most all of our guests are, to conceive that mexico has any responsibility at all to its northern neighbor and benefactor. >> mexico has a responsibility, of course. >> tucker: well it is outrageous for anyone in mexico which would not exist as a first world country without the united states, that's an economic fact. to suggest that they would make it easier to kill americans with heroin. it's very simple. why can't you just announce that? >> let's not blame mexico for killing americans, that's a big jump. i think it's outrageous, my friend. >> tucker: heroin is killing thousands of america. that is not a made up fact. >> i think it is outrageous for legislators in mexico and legislators in the united states to minimize this terrible, terrible problem of production in some countries, including mexico, and consumption in the united states. >> tucker: why is it so hard to get anybody to conceive that mexico has ever done anything wrong, is it a holy country?

is it totally above -- i'm not saying that -- 95% of heroin comes from mexico. >> no, no, no. in mexico it's part of the problem but the united states is the one consuming the drugs. why is it so difficult for you? >> tucker: so if you are the parent of a 16-year-old o.d. victim, it's the kids' fault. because i think the blame goes both ways. >> i'm saying that in the united states of america we need to work on this problem. it's incredible how many millions of people are falling into the trap of these terrible drugs. but let me talk a little bit aboutdi mexico. yes, you have accused -- >> tucker: we are out of timek and i certainly let you filibuster quite a bit. >> there are -- mexico is a lot larger, the state has a conservative governor that isic pushing it not for drugs, butas on the contrary, family values, just like you and i, my friend,

are supporting. >> tucker: thank you. you are more reasonable than most people i talk to. but not entirely reasonable. >> thank you. >> tucker: lou dobbs is a host of "lou dobbs tonight" and has been talking about this issue for a long time.eoo. if there were to become a realistic push to legalize poppy production, opium production, heroin production, in mexico, why wouldn't that be a profound act of aggression against the united states? >> i think it is, as you pointed out. and juan hernandez, i quit talking to him a long time ago for reasons that you should now understand fully. he is a wonderful emissary for the system of mexico that is being replaced by andres of man well, and i think it is a real opportunity for this president to do real great things together with him and to change things in mexico and along our borders. i'm very hopeful.

but when we don't even destroy the poppy fields in afghanistan after 17 years of war, i get the feeling that there is something less than full commitment to protecting american citizens. and that's where most of it comes from. >> tucker: can you stop right there. that's far more interesting than what some legislator in some mexican state are proposing. we've occupied afghanistan's of the couple of my kids in high school, before they were even born, and there are still poppy fields they are. why is there not the will to fight a problem that is killing 70,000 people per year in this country? t >> without president trump, there wouldn't have been an70 expression of any well at home. he is leading on this issue and it goes back to his first statement since he announced that he is running for president. theire were scratching heads, the president is actually talking about saving

livesg and stopping drugs that are killing tens of thousands of americans every year. this is the president, remember, who didn't want us to be squandering trillions of dollars in afghanistan and iraq. this is the president who would sometimes pursue a modest foreign policy. and by the way, i think he and the new president of mexico, when he is inaugurated at the end of the year, i think they will do great things. >> tucker: you are the first person i have heard say that. so i'm approaching it with an open mind. lou dobbs, thank you very mucht >> i've heard great kept a h skepticism, and i don't say that it's misplaced. >> tucker: interesting. cere are reports tonight that a chinese-owned company had access to hillary clinton's email server. the fbi contest thought. but they haven't cleared it up at all. so what is true and what is not? our investigation is coming up next.

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>> tucker: democrats claim to be in the trenches with women, and now that keith ellison has been credibly accused of beating an ex-girlfriend, you would think he would have to lay low for a while or at least explain himself. after all, former senator al franken stepped down for doing far less than what ellison is accused of doing. democrats said they are going to investigate the allegations against ellison, which wee should note, because we always do, are mere allegations and not approved. but we would like to know if they are true. so we reached out today to find out if the party has made any progress in this investigation. sounds like investigators have not made a lot of progress. they may have hired the same investigators whoo looked into joy reid's hacked blog post at nbc. trying to figure out how the access hollywood tape got to

"the washington post," to investigations that are ongoing. we will keep you posted. ♪ >> tucker: there are some obvious upsides to storing classified information on a private survey in your basement, but one ofr the downsides is tht foreign adversaries could hack it. it wouldn't be that hard. according to "the daily caller" news foundation, that happened to hillary clinton.d they say a chinese owned company did it and we have had real-time access to emails during her tenure as secretary of state. the fbi is denying that, sort of, but the story is still fluid and confusing. fore some reason, a lot of peope don't seem that interested in finding out whatd happened. tom, this seems like one of those stories, and i just want to be completely clear as i was last night, i don't know the answer and i don't know what happened of course but i do think it's worth finding out. i am a little bit confused by

the confusion, why wouldn't we know conclusively years later what happened to those emails? >> there are a few questions, did this meeting take place as alleged between the office of national intelligence and peter strzok and his colleagues at the fbi. was there a discussion about compromising the server by chinese front company? did it happen? did they look into it, did they follow up on it. we are not getting much feedback from the fbi. >> tucker: you are in the business of getting governments to divulge things that it wants to hide, so why would it be so hard to get an answer to a very simple question like that? >> because he answer would be embarrassing. we know separately that we went to the fbi, set up a meeting lyfor peter strzok because we hd evidence that the russians had compromised hillary clinton's email server. our guy met with peter strzok's team for four hours and they never followed up on any of it.

>> tucker: how compelling was the evidence you had? >> it was compelling enough that he had to go to the fbi and tell them that there might have been a compromise of classified information by these russian type servers. the document that we had found came from the same groups of server numbers that were affiliated with hillary clinton's server. pretty substantial evidence and we gave it to the fbi, with no evidence that anything was followed up on. >> tucker: and they never got back to you? >> they never got back to us. and, comey said we never had any evidence that the server was classified, which was not necessarily true. but he also admitted, they could have done it without us knowing about it and we would never know about it because they would've covered their tracks. so no one has ruled out that that server has been compromised. we just assumed it had been compromised. sadly, we have sued this information for its failure to do a damage assessment caused by

her leaving classified information on the public equivalent -- the internet equivalent of a park bench. and they fight us on this. they say it was not serious enough to warrant a damage assessment. they do not want to grapple with thisth because to do so would undermine the fiction that what hillary did caused no damage and deserved no prosecution. >> tucker: i think you could take hillary out of the conversation and still be appalled by it. is the chinese officials looking into what they are doing? let's find out. here is a rhetorical question. is social media wrecking america? of course it is, let us count the ways, next. ♪ count the ways,your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one? i did mom. wanna try it? yes. it intensely moisturizes your hair and scalp and keeps you flake free. manolo? look at my soft hair. i should be in the shot now too. try head and shoulders two in one.

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♪ >> tucker: social media has completely, while we weren't paying attention, transformed our society in a lot of ways we don't even understand.

fox sports 1 host jason whitlock says it's wrecking sports, too. he joins us tonight. i'm not surprised but i'm interested to hear details. how is social media wrecking sports? >> i think it's killing sports because all the athletes areo 1000% addicted to social media. the entire national anthemg controversy is being driven bye social media. these guys are being addicted to retweets, likes and mentions and followers. so there's no real substance to what they are doing other than trying to build their social media brand, it sounds great when they get older, they are trying to raise awareness about the social media brand and that is what they are really doing. all of these athletes are addicted to social media, and it's driving a lot of their actions. >> tucker: is there a point where you become rich and famous and successful enough

that you don't have to spend at life with your facing your phone? or no, i guess? >> i don't think, no. the cell phones and smartphones and technology have packed all of our brains. and this is especially acute i think with black people, particularly with black athletes. they are so addicted to this thing that we metaphorically and theoretically call, black twitter, and being approved over a black twitter andhi whether or not there is some twitter lynch mob agreeing or disagreeing with what you say. i just think, there is no amount of money. take lebron james, he has 40 million twitter followers and is worth more than half a billion dollars, but he is addicted to social media. a lot of us in the media that aren't even that youngut are completely addicted to social media approval, ourur

brains have been hacked. >> tucker: i wonder why high-profile people don't fight back? why doesn't anyone say, you know what, i don't want to be captive to the whims of a mob of people that i have never met before. i'm getting off this garbage. why doesn't anyone ever say that? >> because so many media executives are so clueless that they go to social media and think they are taking the temperature of america. a lot of these media people and athletes are driven by desires and, hiring and firing and paying them and what they are basing their beliefs on. so many executives are so caught up in social media that, oh, my god, someone has 500,000 twitter followers, that must mean they are very popular and what they have to say is very smart. and it is approved by so many people. the executives are fooled, and so let's don't be shocked that

the people that work for them are fooled. >> tucker: that's a fair point, the great jason whitlock, thank you very much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: our investigation into antifa is next. what is the group really about and are you still allowed to criticize them? we speak to a former member or associate of antifa. next. ♪ former member (male speaker) stop by bass pro shops and cabela's today for great labor day deals. like ladies' v-neck t's starting at under $13. this bass pro 6 1/2 quart fish fryer for under $30. and these merrell waterproof hikers for under $90.

♪ >> tucker: the left wing group antifa doesn't even pretend to detest violence. they regularly vandalize and aa sold people they disagree with. and they do it on camera. they showed up at the unite the night rally and couldn't find actual fascists to hit so they attacked the press instead.

yet amazingly in a remarkable display of both dumbness end has masochism, the media still defends them. according to cnn, criticizing antifa is racist. that may be confusing to you since most of its members seem to be white. on the other hand, they wear black clothing. watch. >> let's be clear also about what's going on here come the theme here is that find donald trump and i will protect you from the scary black people. antifa is widely perceived as an african-american organization. this is about black versus white. this is about donald trump's appeal to racism. >> tucker: but wait, you really want to defend antifa? aren't they committed to violence? yes, it's hard to deny that since it's on tape, but they mean well so lay off. >> it says it right in the name, antifa.si antifascism, which is what they were there fighting.

listen, there is no organization is perfect. there was some violence. no one condones the violence. but there were different reasons for antifa and them to be there. one, racist, fascist, and the other group fighting racistre fascist. there is a distinction there. >> tucker: so there you have it according to cnn. antifa is a civil rights organization and you'd have to be a monster to criticize them. we decided to ask a antifa what they think about being defended by corporate media. that's not easy to do, by the way. antifa doesn't have headquarters or leadership. many of their leaders wear ski masks and didn't want to be on camera but we did find scott crowe.e. he wants organized events for antifa, and he joins us tonight. scott, do you think it's racist to criticize antifa? it seems like a pretty white the group to me, at least from the pictures. >> i think there's a reason to critique anything that's happening. but the thing is, you are conflating that people who are trying to stop genocide andmo

commit wholesale murder of huge demographics of people. so these people want to stop that, physically in some instances, but largely behind the scenes. there are more fascists that wear red ties and blue suits and white shirts in boardrooms and on tv shows and everythingn that our people in the streets. they just confront fascism and neo-nazis where they are apt. if neo-nazis come to thet street, then antifa shows up and antifascists show up beside them. >> tucker: i agree with you, i do think there are a lot of authoritarians who wear shirts and ties. i see them every day. but i guess the problem that i fore is, antifa reserves itself the right to hurt people and destroyed property on the basis of its judgment about those people.ht so if i said, i think scotteo crowe that you are a fascist and i burn your house down, you would say "you are not allowed to burn my house down. it is not up to you to decide if i am a fascist or not." >> what about the people who

our calling for killing people or calling for killing people. who are pulling guns on people or murdering people. the neo-nazis, the old right the 3%-e.r.'s who have planted bombs. this is a good question for you tucker, you as an american, do you think america is for everybody, right? >> tucker: of course i think it's for every american. not everybody in the world. >> okay, so immigrants or any other group of people that gets marginalized for any reason,ry that because of just who they are, their ethnicity or their race, their origin, where they are born, if people were calling to kill for them, do you think you would not stop that? if someone were coming to kill you because you are a white guy, you would stop it. >> tucker: we have a pretty functional legal system and if you hurt people, lots of antifa people have been arrested because antifa is a main perpetrator of violence in these events. i'm for that.

i'm for anyone who is committing violence to be arrested. but let me get back to the core question. do you think of antifa as a civil rights group, an african-american, group?ha we just heard from cnn that you are criticizing racists because you are black. but you don't seem black. >> they are pundits, they are idiots just like any other tv show. >> tucker: now you are onto something, b okay. now we are speaking the same language. >> but i would say the same you.g for >> tucker: i'm not an idiot. you may disagree with me, but i'm not stupid. >> you've not addressed this at all, you keep acting like it's an organization with all these things. it's a set of ideas that has in this.ted if the antifascists didn't rise up to stop the holocaust, it would have been worse. if antifascists didn't rise upt in spain -- >> tucker: i thought the u.s. army stop the holocaust, but> whatever, i don't want to quibble over the details.t the point is -- give me the one word answer. does it bother you with people unilaterally decide they get to

hurt other people because they don't like their politics? do you want to live in that country? that is a red herring question. of course not. >> tucker: will that's what antifa is doing. if i get up and say i don't think we need more emigration, can hit me in the face with a bike lock? no. right? >> so the 73-year-old woman was that i may be in a wheelchair but i can get up and punch someone who is practicing every day antifascism. does that mean you think people who want to exclude people from this country but also want to murder them wholesale, put them in concentration camps, -- >> tucker: i'm against murder, i'm against killing. i'm against abortion. >> are you? >> tucker: yes i am. look, we are out of time. i appreciate you coming on and i hope you come back, i will give you a fair hearing as you just saw. thank you for doing that. we have new information tonight on and off grid extremist compound in america. not a lot of coverage of the story.

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they didn't do it and the judgee had no choice but to drop the charges and let them go. >> tucker: so the state, the country, the rest of us have no recourse at this point, it's over, it's done, no one's being punished? >> no, it's not exactly over. they can still indict them and re-capture them. what do you think the judge will say when the prosecutors say the next time they get arrested after being indicted, and the prosecutors say they should be held without bail. the judge will say, you didn't think they were dangerous even to bother with a hearing within 10 days. >> tucker: so it looks to you, as someone who prosecutes cases for a living, that this was a screw up on the part of the government? >> it looks like that to me. it's shocking they would not be worried about the danger to the community these people face. i mean, these people pose a clear danger to the community, talking about dying in jihad and shooting at grady hospital in

atlanta and you have an unexplained death of a 3-year-old boy. >> tucker: thank you very much for that. appreciate it. sadly that's it for us tonight. another hour gone. tune in tomorrow to the show that is the sworn enemy of of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. s sean hannity live from new york right now. p >> sean: great show. [laughs] i am a little delayed here. great show as always. welcome to "hannity." we start tonight, you are an american citizen and you live in america. i don't care what your political party is, you need to pay attention. what we are going too tell you s beyond outrageous. our worst firms have all been confirmed. the extreme level of corruption at the highest levels of federal bureaucracy is now exposed. it's a very ugly picture. it's not a pretty picture. fisa abuse, fraud, nepotism, russian collusion with a seedy ex-foreign spy all in an effort to destroy and stop donald trump. the shocking new