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>> all we need is champagne. >> martha: that is our story tonight. have a great night. we will see you back tomorrow morning when bret baier and i join you for special coverage of john mccain's funeral at the national cathedral. good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: welcome to a special edition of temperature kerr carlson tonight. tech tyranny. waging a war on privacy, culture and freedom of speech the portal through which all human information flows and they have their thumb on the scale. the results of the searches you conduct online they control those, your phone. they own it in effect. they track you everywhere you go even when the phone is off. they collect intimate information on you. they sell to to advertisers for a profit. they give now details about this. these companies are politically radical. they are funding the activism that's changing our country right now. there is nothing that you can do to check their power
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congress should be doing that but they are not. they are using power and influence to shape the world around us. some of the companies bigger than the entire nation. this show is an examination of the companies and effect they have on our lives our country and politics, the scale of their reach is enormous. and this is finally drawing the attention of policymakers including the president. i think google and facebook and twitter, i think they treat conservatives and republicans very unfairly. i think it's a very serious problem because they are really trying to silence a very large part of this country. those people don't want to be silenced it's not right, it's not fair. it may not be legal, breast larson has been on the beat for quite some time and is he going to set table for us. >> all right, tucker. earlier this week the president sent out a tweet in which he said in part,
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quote. google search results for trump news shows only the viewing reporting of fake news media. in other words, they have it rigged for me and others so that almost all stories and news is bad. now, google was quick to respond to the claim in a statement saying in part, quote: search is not used to set a political agenda and we don't bias our results towards any political ideology. as for google search works is protected like the recipe for coca cola. why? if sites knew exactly how exactly the search site worked it would be easier to rig their web content to reach a larger audience. few things are known about how google search works. google is scanning the web for new pages around the clock. they are looking for a variety of things to ensure that the right pages are delivered to the right people. they check to see that a site is mobile friendly so it renders properly on your smart phone if you are on the go. they also check to make sure that the content is original
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and not some plagiarized information with a bunch of ads slapped around it but where you go online also effects your search results. as you know and we have reported here before, google keeps track of virtually everything you do. mainly to ensure they show you the right ads. we have more on our investigation later this hour. but, in this case, it's also to ensure you're getting the right search results. as for news search, it's a little different. as we know news is happening 24 hours a day. a reliable source is needed for a news story site more content optimized for search higher ranking. a site that gets click through for the results. if, for example, you search for california wildfires and in the results more people are going to our fox affiliate wktvu their site they will move higher in the rankings, this is where the mainstream media has an advantage. though as they present more middle of the road news without leaning to the left or right they will have a larger reach within those
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results. tucker? >> tucker: depending on who defines who middle of the road is brit, thank you very much we will speak with you later this hour. >> yes. i just heard what google says it does. the question is can we trust them. that is the central question. background on the company. google just removed famous catchphrase don't be evil from code of conduct earlier this year. symbolic change but ominous for the most powerful company in google history. google's market cap is now $860 billion. that's more than the gross domestic product of almost every country in the world. 170 countries have smaller g.d.p.es than google. the federal trade commission prepared an antitrust case against the tech giant a few years ago. but the obama justice department didn't take it. google now controls roughly 90% of the search engine market. 65% of the internet browser market. it controls 85% of the mobile operating systems on
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the phones in our pockets right now google controls downline ad market online advertising that is every single digital news company in the united states. google has an army of lobbyists in washington bank rolls politicians contributing to every major think tank in washington regardless of ideology including hilariously a think tank dedicated to fighting monday nope police. one of those think tanks has fired staff for being critical of google. question is it may be rhetorical is google too powerful to regulate. the author of search and destroy why you can't trust google inc. he joins us now. scott, i have quickly on the search question that seems like one of the most basic questions all information comes from tiny portal. google says trust us, we are not putting our thumb on the scale. can we?
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>> no, we can't. because it's blanket trust. it's blind trust because no one does really know what goes on there. the problem is when you put all of access supply and demand to access all of the world's information through one black box, one thing that we have no transparency to. we don't understand and let's not forget the whole purpose is to rank. to choose that what is best. they said it's algorithmic it must be okay. a computer program that people decided what to the biases would be their purposeful biases. the problem of google is the fact that we have concentrated all that power in one company because if the most harmful you can imagine. absolute power corrupts absolutely. in a constitutional republic in a free markets the free flow of information and the
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competition of ideas are paramount and central when you go through one black box and say that is all occurring only here and there is one person that basically sets what the ideology and the approach is going to be, and it's larry page and then that filters through, you have a -- it's a very scary situation you want a competition for ideas and sources. he has created unbelievably innovative and great search engine. no criticism there in the sense of its capability. but, how the government and i for 10 years have been trying to prevent this monopoly and the government screwed up time and time again in allowing google to become a monda monopoly. >> tucker: that's for sure. quickly, news reports have reported that google is working to devise the search engine that would help the fascist government of china repress its own people. so, given that we know, we believe we know that they are willing to suppress
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information on behalf of a government to achieve repressive political ends, why should we trust them not to do that to us? >> well, we shouldn't. and my goodness, it's as orwellian as it comes. when that was brought up and when somebody who we know criticized google for biasing its search the president of the united states, they said we never make our search results based on a political ideology. they are committing to do it for china, for the entire country. soup to nuts for everything they are going to bow down to the chinese ideology. >> tucker: not a big deal a country that executes political prisoners and sells their organs seems like the kind of people you would want to help remain in power. >> how they can say that with straight face and saying they are not bending their will to ideology, they do it all around the world. >> tucker: they are lying. scott, you have been fighting a lonely crusade. we are rooting for you.
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thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: european legislators bill millions engaging in anticompetitive practices. american regulators, meanwhile, are nowhere to be found. why is that exactly? luther lowe is the senior vice president of public policy for yep and he joins us now. luther, thanks for coming. >> thanks for having me on. >> tucker: always particularly happy to talk to you since you write for a big tech company. really simple question google has a monopoly. nobody debates that monopolies are supposed to be banned by u.s. law. a whole congress with 535 people in it designed to protect us from monopolies but they are not. >> well, i think there are -- there is political capture going on. i think if you have a search engine clearly guilty of self-serving bias and not the type of self-serving bias that president trump tweeted about earlier this week i'm talking about demonstrable, easy to prove bias in the most common area of what we do on google
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which is local search this should be a slam dunk. we should be able to show consumer harm and, in fact, we have done. so when a mom does a search for a pediatrician in salt lake city, she is basically trusting google to match her with the best information from across the web. >> tucker: yes, of course. >> that has been implicit promise to google's users throughout its growth. what's happened is that google has swapped out that information and put their own interior information there this creates consumer harm and gets back to your question about monopoly. if you show that consumer harm you can easily prosecute antitrust case. this is why we should focus on the business conduct of google. >> tucker: i agree completely. the monopoly is prima facie and so is the harm. you work in washington on this issue. doubt ltz you have spoken to members of congress and have you told them what they already know. this is company too powerful it has a monopoly and hurting consumers. how do they respond? >> i think we are starting to see the tide turn. i was really heartened to see, for example, senator
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hatch's letter yesterday to the chairman of the federal strayed commission. where he basically said, listen, you know, we closed the last investigation in 2013. one expects that when you close an antitrust investigation the market is going to be less calcified, that there are going to be, you know, the company in question is going to be less entrenched. there is going to be more startups and so forth. we are seeing the opposite. maybe we should take another look at this. i think we are beginning to see the tide turn. >> tucker: good for senator hatch there are 99 other guys in the same chamber. where are they? what would be the justification i can requestlquickly fornot acting? >> we have a new slate of ftc commissioners running public hearings now to collect information. i'm cautiously on mits stick that woptimistic to re-examine some of these issues if we should. >> tucker: it's a multinational. foreign threat to our country. that's my view. it's a national security threat. thank you for the work have you done on this.
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>> tucker: welcome back to our special "tucker carlson tonight" tech tyranny. tyranny is not an overstatement in this case. the man behind the book and the movie clinton cash that exposed the clinton foundation's pay for play relationship with various foreign governments is coming out with a new film and the target is big tech. here is a preview. >> they can suppress on what you see. >> it's what google and facebook are doing on a regular basis by suppressing stories, by steering us towards other stories rather than the stories we're actually seeking. it will always favor one union line music service over another and one candidate over another. google crosses the creepy
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line every day. >> tucker: film comes out september 17th. peter schweizer, of course, is the man behind the project and he joins us tonight. peter, first, congratulations on this film. remarkably appreciate and i'm sure it will be as remarkable as the last film was. tell us one of the salient things you learned what blew your mind in researching. this what blew my mind is a couple of things, tucker, first of all the dominance to google has in the marketplace, second of all, google is unlike pretty much almost any other company in the world. what do i mean by that? sure, they're moment vacated by profit. they have shareholders and owners. this is a company that at its core is utopian or at least the founders have a utopian vision. they don't view themselves as another company. so when people say oh, google would never manipulate the al gori them
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and engage in this type of behavior because they don't want to hurt their market share, they don't think in those terms they make decisions all the time that are based on their vision of what is good and right rather than what consumers want with the power they have combined with ymism creates the problems we have with censorship and manipulation. >> tucker: give us a sense. you got to the heart of it. they have a vision is there vision insingh with the views of the average american? what is their vision? >> they are a vision certainly partly epitomized burning man festival they go to when they hired eric schmidt to be the ceo 15 or so years ago. one of the reasons they picked him is because he went to burning man. this is sort of a secularist religious gathering in the nevada desert. there is a lot of things
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about traditional values they don't like. there are a lot of views about sort of conservative free market capitalism they don't like. and they have a vision that they want to be transformative. and that's fine. except they want to be transformative to, i think, an american public that isn't interested in being transformed by them. and the problem is, tucker, that we don't know what they are doing. we don't know what we don't know. we know the end results we know there is provable evidence. that's what makes it difficult to get. >> tucker: they are not american they are multinational despite the fact that al gore owns a lot of stock. do they see themselves as a company that has an obligation to america society and american culture and our economy or no? >> no, no. they don't. they don't. i think they view themselves as a transformative country
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they read that statement we don't manipulate the algorithm for political benefit that ricks hollow. go back five to 10 years ago they were charged with manipulating the algorithm for commercial purposes. luther lowe was talking about that on the show. what was google's position? it was the same absolute denial. the problem is the european union, federal trade commission, scholars at harvard and elsewhere looked at this and said google is lying. why should we believe them now. evidence is overwhelming they are engaging in political manipulation as well. >> tucker: of course they are and our congress does nothing. peter schweizer the movie comes out september 17th. thank you for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: well, what would happen if the social media company started to pick winners and losers in elections? it's not a small question. it could invalidate our democracy instantly. we'll investigate that coming up on this special edition of tucker carlson tonight.
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♪ >> live from america's news headquarters i'm trace gallagher in los angeles. congress gave john mccain highest honor today members assembled under the capitol rotunda to pay their final respects to the man known as maverick. one by one republicans and democrats paid tribute to flag draped casket among those attending the service was mccain's mother roberta 106 years old. house speaker ryan called mccain one of the berettest our nation has produced. died four days before his 82nd birthday. in detroit mourners bid emotional farewell to another icon the queen of soul. aretha franklin at 8 hour ceremony included faith hill, ariana grande alcoholic can arianna grandalcoa
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con. she was 76 years old. i'm trace gallagher now back to tucker carlson. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: here's the central question for all of us who live in this country. how much power do the tech companies have over our democratic elections? american institute for behavioral research in technology senior research psychologist robert epstein weighed in on that question on this show. watch. >> >> we should be extremely concerned because i can tell you the bottom line here is content no longer matters. all that matters is the filtering and ordering of content and that is completely in the hands of google and facebook. the problems can be solved at some point but at the moment i think democracy is in trouble. >> tucker: that he probably woke you up. dan bongino was a contributory nra-tv and frequent guest on this show and he joins us tonight.
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dan, way is this not a much graver threat than russia? why is this not a foreign threat from a foreign country to the heart of our democracy? >> well, it is, tucker. i think that's obvious to rational people. but that assumes we are dealing with rational people. we are not, we are dealing with politicians and the media swamp that is interested simply in combating donald trump and they believe, i believe wrongly, that the russian narrative works for them. but this targeting of conservative content is very real. anyone on social media platform has experienced it. i was banned from running ads on twitter for what they cited was inappropriate content which is odd because all i post is conservative content. that's all i do. they never explained what the inappropriate content was. on youtube our videos for our podcast get flagged all the time. they have a little yellow button and when it turns yellow you can't earn any money on it that doesn't happen as often to liberal
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friends of mine who do the same thing and on instagram we have a tough time getting a blue checkmark despite 60,000 followers. this is very real. and when it happens to candidates running for office, which we have seen, it's even worse. >> tucker: but it doesn't even need to happen to canada to threaten the rest of us because it shuts down part of the conversation that has got to have idea on how people vote. why isn't that right there a threat to our election? >> no, it is. and what they want is they want to have it both ways. what they want, tucker, these social media platforms, let's be clear on, this they want the protections of being an open platform in other words in plain english hey we are not responsible for people post. >> tucker: exactly. >> on the other hand, they treat themselves like best othemselves publishers.new catce algorithm, tucker, that's really a selective process of weeding out conservative
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content and giving favor to liberal content in the new public space. you can't have it both ways, guys. >> tucker: algorithm is editing. that's what we used to call it journalism. dan bongino thank you for that so chir crisp as always. the tech giants are obviously politically biased against conservatives. no one really disputes that but exhibit a is special hostility towards people with pro-life views. they are hated above all. lila rose knows that. thanks for coming on. tell us your earns examine with social media. >> live action has the largest following online for the pro-life movement. over 3 million people. our videos have hundreds of millions of views online. for the last three years we have been totally banned from doing any advertising on twitter. meanwhile, planned parenthood, and other proabortion groups are advertising and they are even advertising petitions to further suppress and
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censor live action and other pro-life groups. so this is what we have been facing now for three years. three steps back and make obvious point. if advocates thought it was such a good thing they wouldn't want to shut you down. they know they are wrong and that's why they suppress speech. let me ask a question how can that be? do you have any recourse? these are in effect public utilities. is there anything you can do about it? >> well, we looked at it. we are ultimately going on other platforms and making sure that we can reach people directly through our own website and finding other ways to reach people because ultimately twitter has sided with abortion industry. jack dorsey going on saying we do not discriminate based on viewpoint. what we do not do at twitter. is flat out lying to people. we are as you say exhibit a. look, the other part of this like you just said, tucker,
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is the fact that when people learn the truth, special about the human rights issue of abortion. when they learn what abortion is and what it does to the child in the womb, we have a abortion procedure series of videos viewed over 100 million times. we survey people and they change their minds on abortions. people are having ah-ha moments, wait a minute, this is violence against a child. this is harmful to women. we don't want this anymore. that's what twitter, i believe, is afraid of because they know that when the truth gets out there about the humanity of the child in the womb, about what abortion is, the abortionists lose every time that's why twitter a defending abortion. ah-ha having viewpoint. >> tucker: last thing they want a conversation about it sketch anything they don't agree with lila rose. thank you. good to see you. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: if you have android phone and you should check. google is collecting information on you right now
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exclusively for our show. watch. >> we wanted to figure out what exactly google is learning about us throughout the day. so here's what we're going to do. we have two identical phones. the only difference between these two phones is this one is in airplane mode. both of the phones lack a sim card and they haven't been set up to access any wifi networks for all intents and purposes these phones have no connection to a data network. we will keep them with us throughout the day. while we travel throughout d.c. we will find out what google is finding out about me. first stop sim's convenience store for a quick coffee. from there we took a walk to the capitol and took a walk around the senate office buildings and decided to hop in a car and head around town. hello. we're going to the children's hospital, please. to run our test, we had to do more than walk the block, so we took a tour around our nation's capitol. first, due north to the children's national medical center hospital then west to st. albans school and the national cathedral. our tour around town was a
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14-mile journey that lasted more than an hour. the entire time the phones had no access to the internet. >> oh my goodness. >> not a wifi connection and not any cellular data i service. it almost seemed quaint to assume that doing wouldn't be able to collect at a time that on me. >> head back to the bureau, my friend. oh that church is beautiful. >> google's business model is simple collect data on users and targeted ads business model surveillance capitalism. does that critical data collection work even when your phones aren't connected? so we're back here at our fox bureau in d.c. and we have got both of our phones exactly how we left with them. the only difference, really, i snapped a couple of bad selfies at the national cathedral. but, otherwise, they have stayed in my pocket for the entire day. so let's find out what they know. this is our man in the middle device. it's basically a wifi
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network that these phones are going to connect to once we turn their wifi on. it's going to pass data through it on the way to google. but on the way we're actually going to get a copy of the same data that google is going to get. we'll be able to decrypt it and find out where we have been throughout the day. within minutes the numbers rolled in the phone that wasn't on airplane mode registered more than 100 locations, 130 activities and even 152 barometric readings. as soon as as it hooked up to our wifi it transmitted 300 kill bites of data straight to google. the phone even logged our exact locations. tracking us all around town. the capital, the hospital, school and the cathedral. you may notice what's missing here is the exact route that we took but it got that data, too. it knows when i got out of the car. the metadata has a time log down to the very second. tracking everything. when they think that you are walking, riding and, yes, even getting out of the cash. >> okay. so you are thinking this isn't a big deal. i will put my phone in airplane mode.
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we thought of that, too. this is the other phone that we had with us that no sim card, also remains in airplane mode the entire dime. let's see what kind of data it captured. >> the phone with airplane phone activated logged more locations and activities than the other phone and also transferred hundreds of kill bow bites of data to google as soon as it was activated. >> only thing missing at this is the stop at the children's hospital still knows we are there. exiting vehicle, 100 percent accuracy. through complicated user agreements and free software google gets users to sign away their privacy for nothing. they are even nothing you into places that most people would expect total privacy, government buildings, a children's hospital, a private school, a church, every move you make, every step you take, google is watching you. >> it is a scary conclusion to come to if you are using an android device. tucker, why should point out as we mentioned in the piece there that when you were using g mail if you are
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using google drive, any of their services, you are actually not using a -- you are not using a product, you are actually the product. you are what google is selling to advertisers and that data they collect about you is then turned around and sold to advertisers to give you specific level of advertising. >> tucker: i don't think people fully appreciate that this is a remarkable report because it reveals that you don't have control of the surveillance. they effect n. effect lie to you and say that you do but you don't. what about iphone users? >> this is an interesting twist here with iphone users, apple is capturing a lot of information but. they are not using it to sell you advertising. they are using it to better the services that they offer. but, if you are using google applications on your iphone, it's, in many instances is actually capturing all of that same data. so any google app. so, if you have google maps, for example. >> google maps. >> tucker: every living human being with an iphone does. >> apple maps is infe
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fearier product. if you are using google maps, which most of us are, it is constantly tracking your data. left of center as we learned earlier in the month. if you are using google search, and said stop tracking me but you are using google search on your mobile device, be that on an iphone or android device they are again capturing your location. >> tucker: wouldn't be such a big deal if you could trust the company weren't working on behalf china. thank you for reporting. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i thought it was ground breaking. when it's not spying on you, google is cracking down on ideological dissent within its own ranks. ask the former google engineer james day more who was fired in the name of inclusion and diversity for writing a memo that called for inclusion and diversity. that's next. ♪ ♪
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>> tucker: last summer james day more learned what happens when you question the group think. he privately circulated a paper he wrote that asked why isn't a company so submitted to diversity more ideologically diverse? he didn't attack anyone. he just questioned the internal logic of what he was being told. for that, the company fired him and then attacked him and tried to prevent him from working anywhere else. they tried to destroy his life. he came on this show, a safe space for dissent to discuss what happened to him. what did they say to you when they canned you, when they called you in, how did the conversation go? what was the justification for ending your career at google? >> the official
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justification was perpetuating gender stereotypes. >> tucker: of all places you wouldn't think google would have a culture where emotional outrage drives decision-making. that's the whole point of google was they are rational. but they don't sound rational at all. >> yeah, there is certain dogmas that you really can't dissent against at google. and one of them being that there is any difference between people. >> tucker: the orwellian future is increasingly the orwellian present. tech barrons had are now cam caesars, liberals who for generations to do fowp for opposition corporate power have been so thoroughly co-opted they are against speech and for google. why? because they are getting rich from it are a meet dillon is a lawyer who represents james day moore and she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. she followed this saga since the very beginning. i know you have been
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intimately involved since the very beginning. google when we last checked with you was basically trying to destroy his life for this memo. is that still the case? >> well, this have certainly attempted to destroy his career. they started out after firing him by smearing him in the international media and continues this narrative and hunting down people in the company who had supported him as well. full blown purge going on there at google hired.com helps people at the high tech industry find jobs, mysteriously suddenly disappeared james from his website within one day belligerently told us they can pick and choose who they help. that's not california law. you cannot do that we feel like there is a coordinated effort to make sure that not just james but people who espouse those types of views are hounded out of employment in silicon
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valley. it's really scary. >> tucker: has he not found a job? >> he is employed. you know, because of the fact that recently by the way but because of the fact that, you know, people are being harassed for supporting him, he is, you know, keeping the location of his workplace confidential. >> tucker: it's unbelievable. by the way, for our viewers who may not be fully read into the story, if you think that we're putting a thumb on the scale, go read his memo, it's available online and see if there is anything, even one sentence in it that's offensive. no, it isn't. the whole thing is bewildering. is there any movement in google to diversify? is it there any dissent in google? is there anyone who agrees with james who can speak out who has? >> well, those people who agreed with james are leaving the company voluntarily or invowrlly one by one. it's hard to find out. and what google has done is reported in the media is in the wake of the whole controversy with james has actually tried to revamp its internal message board,
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policies, to you know, appoint employees of the company to be narcotics and spnarcs and spyon each other ant back to management. i wouldn't thought a year ago if you would have told me it's happening in an american company it would be true but it fits google's move into china. in china they assign social media scores or scores to people that allow -- that then follow them throughout their lives. the government can control where you -- whether you get to travel and all of that based on this information. and in silicon valley it's almost the same thing. if you are assigned a socially undesirable label by big media or big tech, then all of a sudden you are now out. you are persona nongraduate that. this is a company who is trying to destroy a young man's life because it didn't agree with a memo wrote. this is the company we trust to hold all human information and sort it for us? >> i mean, i don't trust it anymore. a lot of people use, you any, their services but i
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think people should be very careful and, again, not to sort of bring in this other issue, when they have all this information about you and they are openly agreeing to censorship demand foreign countries. how long is it before can you expect to see that more openly down here. we know it already happens here with search results and so forth. you know, in a couple of years when they are doing business in china, are you going to be able to search for the dalai lama in america and get accurate search results? that's a huge question we should be asking. the government should be asking that these companies all operate with tremendous market power and they meet regularly. last week there was a meeting of the top tech companies to talk about election interference. what does that really mean? >> tucker: that's a great question. >> cartel in certain ways. >> tucker: of course they are. congress should act immediately but they are too afraid. harmeet, thank you. >> my pleasure. >> tucker: once you decide it's okay to censor opinions you disagree with. where does that wind up?
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>> well, the tech giants see themselves as gatekeepers of the internet and routinely engage in censorship. non-mainstream liberals have been targeted too. what are the boundaries of censorship once a company starts making decisions about what speech is permissible and which is not. jesse is the host of the jesse kelly radio show in houston. thank you so much for coming on. you wrote this piece that i thought was compelling about alex jones. if you can silence this guy because you don't like what he says, why can't they silence you or me? >> that is the point, tucker.
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and they're coming for you and me next. alex jones was the weak member of the heard. because of his insane views on certain things, they knew they could pick him off. it was a test run. if we can pick him off, then we can come for some of the more mainstream voices on the right. people have to understand, it's no longer a couple of nerds sitting in a college dorm room swapping stories about a made-up girlfriend. it's real and powerful. >> so i watched, feeling nauseous, as almost no figures of the mainstream right rose to the defense of alex jones, not defending what he said but defending his right to say it, the most basic american principle. why did they sit silently as this happened? >> everyone wants to be eaten last. if the lion will just gorge
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himself on enough of those antelopes, eventually he will never come eat me. but that's not how it works. we gave them hollywood and the education system. and to rely on google or facebook through your news is like filling a cup of coffee and filtering through your jock strap before drinking it. >> if they take that away, people with different views are silenced, correct? >> correct. it is the final frontier. it's no longer just a random thing. it is how you break news. it's how you make news. social media makes careers. it's how things are done. it's what's used by law enforcement to track people. it is the information age. and if we let them censor that, that's modern book burning is what that is. >> so nicely put. god bless you for standing up for speech, especially against
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