>> absolutely, look at that. three hours of news and we end on a go rescue. a good job. >> the best way to end the show, right? the special labor day addition of "outnumbered" starts right now. things were during his. >> take care. ♪ >> the countdown to the midterms is on, like really on. this is speethirty five, i'm dagen mcdowell. fox news contributor lisa booth lisa boothe, marie harf, and rachel campos-duffy also asked fox news contributor. today's #oneluckyguy, marie's better half, he is outnumbered. guy benson. so good to see you. everybody's having a happy labor day. >> thanks for having me. >> dagen: you're so smart, hosting kennedy last week.

>> we've got the dynamic duo. >> we'll be like the radio show. >> dagen: radio, with makeup. [laughter] >> dagen: is a bit more than two months before hit the polls, and a much-anticipated midterm election. democrats hoping to retake the majority, especially eyeing the house. of course, republicans working on keeping their majorities in both chambers. right now, democrats would have to flip 23 seats to take the reins on the house side. in the senate, republicans trying to keep or build upon their razor-thin edge, not holding a majority of 51-49. the democrats have the edge when it comes to voter enthusiasm. recent fox news polls showed them up six points over g.o.p. voters. republicans have it going on when it comes to national fund-raising. the rnc far out-raising the dnc with more than $14 million in cash on hand, zero debt. the democrats have $7 million on hand, more than $6 million in

debt. however, when it comes to the house and senate fund-raising committees, democrats are outpacing the g.o.p. guide benson, how do you see it, because so much of this is issue-based, and i would argue that the democrats are on the agenda they are running on. >> guy: it is issue-based, every election is. if you look at the broader context of how the country's feeling. when you look at the house on the senate, if i were to put down money today, we have an eternity in trump cycles. if i were put down a bit about an election held tomorrow, i would probably guess that the democrats are the narrow favorites to win the house of representatives. the senate map is a lot harder for them, and i think about if you go race by race, there is a decent chance republicans would gain the seats in the u.s. senate. i think it, from a conservative perspective, that's really important. one of the lasting legacy compliments for president trump

and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has been the incredible pace of confirmation of judges. lifetime appointed federal judges, at the circuit court level and, of course, now we have the battle over the supreme court, as well. that is crucially important, and a chuck schumer-led majority inn the senate will grow and that to a halt. if i had to pick a priority, it would be the senate. they want to hang onto votes. >> dagen: lisa, this is your wheelhouse. this is what you've done for a living. can the democrats in the senate up for reelection are up and states were trump one. those are the states -- >> guy: by double digits. >> lisa: you look at a state like florida, rick scott has been pulling while they are. i don't necessarily believe -- i wouldn't give the house to democrats just now. look, democrats are going to make gains in the house. i think that's undeniable. i would necessarily give them the house. if you follow the money for outside groups, the spending has been going to the same 40 or so

races that republicans and democrats have been fighting over for the last few cycles. it doesn't look like they are necessarily extending the map to dramatically, and what they are targeting -- even if you look at some of the incumbent republicans like carlos curbelo in florida, which is essentially a ground zero for it democrats trying to take back the house -- he has been up in d.c. cc, which is the campaign arm. i don't necessarily know at this point, i would give it to democrats. as you mentioned, there's so much time. a lot of the speculation, a lot of the conversation could drastically change. >> guy: all i'm saying is i would give them the edge. look at the special elections, the off-your elections, they have shifted for the democrats who have an enthusiasm and the advantage periods that matters. >> we've seen a couple things. first, money does not win the elections. donald trump was out i spent. we've seen the same thing in special elections. it's helpful, but not determinative. i think fund-raising totals are interesting -- >> dagen: not to interrupt

you, but i was shocked that adam putnam in florida, he outraised dissent is 2-1. >> and gwen graham outrace andrew guillen by ten as well. i would also note that in one of our latest fox news polls, republican men, democratic men and democratic women, were all pretty enthusiastic about voting the cycle. the group that had dropped significantly in enthusiasm was female republicans. by double digits. that is interesting to watch. i would also point out the governor's race that they are going to be really important because they are going to help determine redistricting. we have governors races across the midwest. across new england, there are shaping up to be some fascinating races. and, of course, in florida. >> murray is right about that, that's an area where they are largely playing defense. that's a tough spot for republicans. >> dagen: rachel, g.o.p. primary voters, the turnout was better than the democrats down

in florida, even in arizona. 1.6 million republicans out in florida in the races last week versus one and a half million for the democrats. >> rachel: i would rather be a republican in this midterm then a democrat. running on solid results. when i like the style the president, you may not even be happy with how congress has responded to some of the controversies, but in the end, if you like to conservative policies, they have been implanted and they are proven to work. i will say this, the ground give matters. in ohio, with constant -- florida, very important states. these are states with really strong republican ground games from state parties. that is going to matter, in some ways more than the money. although the money helps fund those. >> dagen: were going to get to this coming up, but if you vote republican you get to keep more of the money that you earn. i'll just leave it at that. >> amen to that, i agree. >> marie is not shaking yes. [laughter] >> dagen: marie will be the first on this topic.

new questions about how president trump presidents on to mike dubke my presence on the campaign trail will impact the midterm. they say that he's expected to campaign for publicans and at least seven states this month. he's looking to be the most aggressive president campaigner. in history. his odds in order to be able to pick up seats in the senate and retain the majority in the house, president trump has already been crisscrossing the country for the g.o.p. watch this. >> that is why you must vote republican. you've got to get out and vote. you know, they keep talking about a blue wave. i don't see it. we have the greatest economy we have ever had. >> we have eliminated a record number of job-crushing regulations. i withdrew the united states from the unfair and very, very expensive for our country paris climate accord.

[cheers and applause] so unfair. that was another great rip-off. republicans just passed the biggest tax cuts in the history of our country. [cheers and applause] and the democrats want to lift them way up. remember that. >> if you want safety, if you want borders, if you want to have a country, then you need to go out and vote republican. [cheers and applause] >> dagen: president trump can already point to a solid record of 8-2 when it comes to republicans winning special house elections during his term so far. looking at all 37 of his endorsements since taking office, 34 have won it, two loss, one race is still undecided. he certainly helps republican candidates, marie harf. >> marie: he certainly does in primaries. that is clear. i think the open question is

very much still a question, whether or not he will help republicans running in general elections against democrats. in many of the house seats that they are targeting our districts that hillary clinton won. i don't think republicans there are itching to have donald trump come in. i think there will be an open question, again, particularly on the house side, if donald trump can deliver results in a general election when he is not on the ballots. we know that there are a lot of particularly independent women in these suburban districts that are targets of the democrats, that are frustrated by donald trump. and he will not help there. >> dagen: i want to get you in on this since her husband is running for reelection. i have said this over and over. it's a policy over personality, that's what matters. >> lisa: i agree with that. i do think the term voters that came out into thousand 16 were not regular midterm voters. the kind of people that show by the midterm. the question is, can trump bring them out in the midterm to vote for their republican-member

congress who benefited into thousand 16 when they showed up for trump? i think it is possible. i think one of the things you talk about, the suburban women, that republicans have perhaps alienated thanks to trump. there is another group that your party has significantly ignored, and that is working class americans. donald trump has really turned the conservative party from a country club party to the party of the working class. there are many independents and even democrats who, in my district in particular, showed up for donald trump because they feel like he cares about them. i think that is an important transition in the republican party. donald trump takes credit for that. it's proof that he made promises for the economy, he turned to trade, making trade trade in america into an issue, and he's- >> dagen: this boils down the blue wall. this is the one thing that courted the union voters, and it still is. >> guy: i would sit for 2018

the formulas pretty simple -- actually come a very strong data game for them now. figure out where the president being deployed would be useful to that candidate, and sent up there. where other candidates may not want him, don't sent him. when you look at the scenes where he's going, it's some of the big senate races where he can be very, very helpful. >> dagen: if somebody doesn't want him, please don't tweet about the republican who doesn't want him there. [laughs] >> just real quickly, republicans are going to get president trump anyway. if i was a candidate, advising one, i would say use them to drive out the base. you're going to get hit anyways. >> dagen: good point. short and sweet. thank you, lisa. colleges across america are going to new lengths, great links, to educate students, parents, and alumni on how to keep their cool while debating politics. one university even is taking up class time to do it. whether it is a good idea, and what it says about polarization

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hundred 67,000 new jobs added to the economy. gdp 2% in the second quarter, the best pace in nearly four years. we are also witnessing the longest bull run market on record. the dow is surging since president trump took office, there's also this -- tweeting just last week, a quote from a cnbc article of the highest level october 2007. the latest poll shows that the economy is the most important issues for voters in the midterm tied with health care. dagen, i was talking to you before the show and you mentioned. can you expect us? >> dagen: is just incredible. you need to look at the numbers, you can listen to a retailer like walmart or target, even high-end retailers like you nordstrom. walmart and target have had their best quarter in more than a decade. people are out there spending, confidence really speaks to how people feel in this country. quite frankly, it goes back to

the vast majority of americans. roughly 90% of americans have more money in their paychecks because of the tax cuts. businesses are spending, corporate profits are up more than 60% in the most recent quarter. were coming off the best we have had in four years. the economy will likely grow north of 4% in the current quarter. >> it will be hard for them to go "do i want to turn my back on people who put those pulses in

place? remember what they did. deregulating, lowering taxes. not only did they not vote for or endorse, they actually -- >> not one. >> they said it was going to be armageddon. >> let's give the democrat get in here for a second. >> i've a question for you. you're talking to candidates all the time on benson and tarps, members of congress paired are they utilizing the economy to try and get out voters? it >> guy: they are trying, certainly. they have a lead on the economy over democrats in the recent nbc "wall street journal" poll. i was talking to a couple republicans who were in tough districts. sort of borderline districts. the polling for the tax bill, for example, was underwater significantly right after it passed. it is so lingering. it's still an advantage, but not a huge one they might expect. there are still some underlying

anxieties among certain pockets -- >> but i said that before, it's the walk. it's what people are doing with their money. it's a fact that if you actually go into restaurants, it's not what they will tell a pollster about "how do you feel about tax cuts versus obamacare?" >> i want to make sure we get marie in here as well. he used trade as an issue to win over the rust belt, that was an impactful issue that he used to get the blue collar voters over on his side. people that largely felt left behind by the obama economy. if he struck some of these deals that are perceived as favorable by these voters, where does that leave democrats with them? >> that's a big "if." only a sense of ours put tariffs in place that have affected people across the country. i know you're not putting a lot of stock in it, but a percent of the country rated the economy fair or poor. obamacare polled 11 points higher than tax cuts which are not underwater.

yes, the economy is wonderful in many ways, but republicans would be remiss to ignore that there is anxiety over three things -- rising health care costs, which are going to continue going up in september, the fact that inflation is high, and wheel rages -- >> is not high, wages are growing faster than inflation. period. >> dagen: under obama. >> it's not on the ballot. let me finish. we went in the year, is a decade. >> let me finish. real-time wages are not growing fast for the middle class and places that matter in the selection. you can talk about the numbers all you want. >> dagen: we've got to get going. >> marie: there's the anxiety about the economy pretty much argument and argument, i'm saying that republicans need to pay attention to not take a victory lap. >> dagen: nancy pelosi calls $2,000 "crumbs."

this would be armageddon because of this tax cut. here is the messaging as a republican, you make the best decisions with your money, not nancy pelosi and not the government. we've got to leave it there. >> dagen says yes, marie says no, were moving on. she's back and she's out of the woods. guess of it is? of course, hillary clinton. this fall she will headline events to raise money for the dnc and support some female candidates. whether she will help the party or she's just a painful render for democrats, plus president trump demanding funding for his long-promised border wall and slamming democrats ahead of the midterm. whether he will get what he wants, and how this issue will play out in november. as we continue. >> were building a wall step by step, and it's not easy. we have a little opposition call the democrats. i guess they don't mind crime. they don't mind crime, it's pretty sad. ♪ y relieves 6 symptoms...

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>> we are building the wall step-by-step, and it's not easy. we have a little opposition called the democrats. i guess they don't mind crime. they don't mind crime, it's pretty sad. last month, house democrats even boycotted a resolution supporting our brave i.c.e. officers. and agents. but i will say this -- the republicans were with you all the way. all the way. [applause] >> president trump slamming democrats on immigration during an event at the white house last month honoring the men and women of ice. this, as the latest polls show the majority of registered voters say they are either very or somewhat concerned that illegal immigration is a burgeoning government programs causing increases in time and terrorism. president trump has regionally floated the idea of shutting down the government if congress fails to pass a bill with added board security funding by their upcoming september 30th deadline. this, as some progressives

continue their calls to abolish i.c.e. then, a good strategy for the present keep bring this up and potentially -- let me back up. >> accidentally called him rich benson last week. it's like a celebrity mashup named. [laughter] even though we know each other. >> guy: that happens all the time. >> rachel: is is a tragedy for the president? >> guy: i think it's a good strategy to highlight the issue of immigration. it's becoming more and more mainstream to call for the abolishment of i.c.e. within the democrat party. andrew gillen, who is not a gubernatorial nominee in florida, campaigned on the bulging eyes. at a california coming of gavin newsom running for governor of that state. he wants to give free health care to illegal immigrants. in new york last week in a debate, andrew cuomo, the sitting governor, who is competing trying to beat back a

left-winger, he called i.c.e. a bunch of thugs. this is the type of rhetoric that's becoming mainstream in the democratic party. i know a lot of people in the media want to wring their hands about republican rhetoric, trump rhetoric on an on regression. there's a problem in the democratic party that mainstream voters are going to be turned off by. >> rachel: it when they democrats talk amongst himself, are they worried that this kind of language about our law enforcement is actually going to hurt them in the polls? because most americans probably don't agree with that. >> marie: again, this mentor must so district by district. a lot of people except for florida, in part, 2020 will be a big test about. what's interesting also in that poll you mentioned in the intro is that a huge overwhelming majority of americans support a pathway for citizenship for illegal immigrants living in this country now. as i said, a lot of times on this couch, there's a compromise of both sides can get away from the extreme rhetoric and come from the middle.

>> rachel: you're avoiding the topic of i.c.e. abolishing i.c.e. as a democrat, is that a position democrats want to embrace as a national party? >> marie: i think democrats are going to embrace a policy of significantly reforming how i.c.e. does business, and i think that's a totally fair conversation to have. i would say, you've mentioned three people, a vast majority of democrats running do not favor abolishing i.c.e. a vast, vast, vast majority. >> rachel: 's marie right, or they just not saying they favorite in their district but actually hiding their real feelings? >> dagen: if you watch cynthia nixon and andrew cuomo on that stage a giver, nixon, when she throughout the abolish i.c.e. idea several months ago, she was sitting next to joy behar and all these people were nodding their heads going as if it's a foregone conclusion that we need to get rid of the division in this country that fights human and child trafficking among other law enforcement powers that it has. she standing on that stage, she

sitting there next to andrew cuomo, and andrew cuomo asked a one-up on i.c.e. it was enough to just say abolish i.c.e. come he calls them thugs. i thought that was the most appalling thing i've ever heard. >> guy: president trump called ms-13 animals and a lot of people freaked out over that. here's a sitting governor calling i.c.e. thugs. that's really wild. >> that such a great contrast, not everybody's going to pick up on that it or even care in radi radio. one of the top issues that they care about is immigration which is why i think we have seen president trump spend so much focus on it, because look he had the midterm elections, we want to drive a race to get people excited. one thing that does get the base out, riles them up, is immigration. >> dagen: really quickly, he's underwater on that fox news pull on immigration. the only issues that this president is above water on is the economy. that's troubling. that's because, again, no border wall funding, and no

restrictions on funding. >> lisa: we will see what happens in september with that issue. thank you. they have been rumblings in some circles of the republican challenging the president and the 2020 presidential primaries. whether that will happen, and if it does, why it can be a good thing for the president. plus, look who's back. hillary, ready to help the democrats retake the house in a series of fund-raisers. whether she is a messenger, or if it'll be a little harder. we will talk about that next. ♪

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♪ >> normally, a primary challenge to a sitting president can be the kiss of death. but in the hill it can suggest that it could help president trump. also says such a challenge would prevent a rowdy democratic primary from getting all the attention for a few months. they also point out that the president has repeatedly defied convention in his political

career, and that is based has shown it is invigorated by challenges to the president, whether they come from democrats or republicans seen as part of the g.o.p. establishment. trump has generally emerged from intrag.o.p. conflicts stronger than he was before, he said the g.o.p. strategist "nobody energizes the base more than donald j. trump." okay, guys. we talked about whether ohio governor john kasich, who is clearly running, i think, is going to primary the present. people have also talked about jeff flake and others. do you think any of them will come and will actually impact the president? >> guy: by the way, we talked about this on our radio show, benson and r. >> marie: vision we have a radio show customer every day? >> dagen: i'm surprised you didn't wear a sandwich board. >> guy: the bosses would let me. [laughter] >> guy: i think that overall, realistically, some of these guys might take a shot at it but if the president is at 85 to 90% approval among republicans that would be a quixotic gambit that

would end in failure. i think my friend ben shapiro, was an ever-trump guide 2016, he made a really good point on our show a few weeks ago. he said if jeff flake comes in a primary news as trade for example, or tariffs for free trade as a hammer against the president, i would actually agree with him on that argument on substance. but, because a lot of republican voters are so loyal to the president, flake could end up damaging the actual issue that he is fighting on behalf of because it would be seen as disloyal and harming the sitting president. unless there is a major shift in some way, nationally, i think it would be probably strategically a mistake. >> marie: lisa? kasich 2020? >> lisa: i know you like john kasich. you're from ohio, it's in your heart. but not with republicans. you look at the fact that the only contest he was able to win was his own state of ohio, that

demonstrates what a horrible candidate he is in the fact that he is not palatable to so many republicans. he also look at someone like senator jeff flake, part of the reason he didn't seek reelection was because he would have a hard time both in the primary and general election. i don't take either of these guys are viable for any sort of threat against president trump. if i was him, i would rather just not have to do with it and just look ahead at the democratic challenger. >> dagen: i'll be quick. john kasich needs to -- because there was an angry mess that developed as the election wore on. into 2016. he didn't even show up to the rnc, which was in cleveland for heaven sake. number one. number two, president trump would love to have somebody running against him because what worked for him when he was running for the nomination? "lying ted, little marco, low-energy jeff." he gets the call people names and look like the big tough guy and not have to talk about the

issues. that works for him. he sitting on the golf course in his golf course? bring it on. >> i think the best thing for the parties for them to focus on the democratic candidates. that said, kasich, k-6, romney,a post-trump world. they seem like dinosaurs from the past. they don't embrace the issues like fair trade, like standing up for american workers. many of the economic issues that i think donald trump is winning on. i think the base is definitely not with kasich or trump. we will keep watching that. >> marie: we are also taking a look at who's back on the democratic side. hillary clinton stepping back into the limelight before the november midterm elections. helping raise money for the democratic national committee, and female candidates in a series of fund-raisers. the failed presidential candidate reportedly will headline three events in san francisco, chicago, and new york for the dnc this fall. aiming to boost the party's chances of seizing control of the house in the senate.

yet, hillary's reemergence on the scene could spark more republican ads like this one, targeting florida senator bill nelson's support for clinton. >> you could put half of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorable's. [laughter] >> if you look at the map of the united states, there's all that red in the middle where trump one. his whole campaign "make america great again" was looking backwards. ♪ >> marie: that is a tough add, rachel. running against bill nelson. look, i have argued hillary clinton is a historic figure because she is, and she i have a lot of respect in many ways for her. i think my party needs to move on. >> rachel: she is good for the party in that regard. she's good for the republicans. [laughter] >> marie: i get that she has a big network, it's amazing to me that she can still raise as much. that's clearly why they're

bringing her out. i don't think that she is good for your party. by the way, i think a bigger threat to democrats than hillary's keith ellison, who i think undermines lot of the women's issues that democrats are trying to put forward. because of the accusations against him in the silence from the dnc chairman, keith ellison is in minnesota. he has charges against him that i think are -- i'm sorry, accusations that seem very credible. there's odd silence on the side of the democrats about it. >> i saw you shake your head when i september cisco, chicago it, and new york. >> guy: i lived in two of those places. if you are the democrats, the only way you would actually want to use hillary clinton at this point is to go to very safe deep blue areas and raise a lot of money. she was a bad retail campaigner, people didn't very much like her. she was not a warm person. but, you cannot take away her ability to raise money. she crushed donald trump in the money game, and of course lost

the election. if they just having her behind closed doors at ritzy fund-raisers with a bunch of blue state left-wingers, great. that's probably the best thing she can possibly do for them. i just wonder how many candidates want to appear with her and raise arms with her, because then the ads get cut. >> it's about the money. look, if i'm a democrat, i would have her fund-raiser on my behalf and have her at fund-raisers, because she does have a healthy network. she was able to raise a lot of money in the presidential election, she still has that network of donors. of course, i would fund-raiser with her. i wouldn't stay clear of having her in any sort of public when you come i would not want to campaign along side of her, but i would take the money. [laughs] >> dagen: she can tell women "vote for this candidate because her husband or your boyfriend told you." right? let's pull that one out. speak or you're going to hell. >> dagen: i'll bust out my hillary clinton impression. i worked so hard on it. "we don't need chapter 11 in

this country, we need a new chapter!" >> isn't it ironic that the new democrats or try to break up -- russia's networking, they try to use the networking. the nursing "were running against this culture of corruption." and then they roll at hillary clinton. >> we cannot overlook the fact that the voters look at d.c. today, and there are these two prominent republican congressmen being indicted. >> small potatoes next with the clintons have done. >> dagen: they will take money and power from the clintons, but like kirstin gillibrand, she said that bill clinton should have resigned. during the monica linsky scandal. it's all very convenient. >> it is labor day, which means back-to-school time. that means get the trigger warnings ready so nobody gets upset. or maybe not. a new study shows that treating students like snowflakes meant to be the best thing in the long run. another thing we are supposed to learn in school is how to play

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♪ >> many by now have her that i was asked to leave the rest of this and where he attempted to have dinner with my family. my husband and i quietly left and went home. i was asked to leave because i work for president trump. we were allowed to disagree, but we should be able to do so freely and without fear of harm. this goes for all people, regardless of politics. >> that was white house press secretary sarah sanders back in june, on the now infamous red hen restaurant incident. he came after democratic congress and maxine waters called and their supporters who probably confront white house officials. all that sparked a big national debate. no universities across the u.s. are offering civil discourse classes on how to talk politics without confrontation, it in today's political climate. "the wall street journal" described the course offered at american university, writing the new policy will coordinate student led discussions through classes, dormitories, and clubs. students will reflect on their debate sales and talk through hypotheticals like whether to engage or kick out party guests

who say hateful things. i want to start with you because you're on college campuses a lot. you're saying this, speaking on college campuses. >> guy: that's creepy. [laughter] >> that's where you work so well together! don't get any wrong ideas, people at home. >> part of the scum administrators are saying that they want to introduce students to diversity of ideology. how much is that lacking in college campuses these days? >> guy: it's lacking, the problem. as odd as that sounds, i support the idea of these courses to try to teach how to talk to each other better. because right now it's really bad. i am curious how american university will define hateful, that sort of a buzz word that i think it gets over used a lot. if i were teaching the course, or helping them develop the syllabus, i would probably start with number one, we need to do a lot less of impugning people's motives and assuming the worst

about why they believe things. that is a huge roadblock to having any sort of healthy conversation. the other thing you have to do is model better conversations. marie and i had a great opportunity last month to speak to a group of young libertarians, college-age, and they treated her very well even though they didn't agree with her. later this month we're going to turning point usa, the two of us together. this is the type of thing we need more of. i'm glad that colleges are recognizing, on some level, that there's a problem. >> conservatives tend to treat opposing views on campus, i think, with a lot more fairness and open-mindedness. >> they have two. >> but on the left it doesn't always feel like that way. >> perhaps. it's pretty fair to say. i was on a show called "real-world" when they put seven strangers from different points of view altogether in a house, this was some 20 years ago. it was kind of like this experiment that is college once -- this is what i thought about. after i was done with the real world, we would go to college

campuses to talk about conflict resolution, people with different points of view. we were ahead of our time. >> than you actually marry someone pay that's what i heard. [laughter] speak i do believe is important to do this. it's sad that by the time they get to college campuses these kids have not learned this at home. >> what have you learned, then? i mentioned that you talk to libertarian students. what if you learn from those sorts conversations? >> candidly, from being on the couch a couple of times a week here, from doing a show with guy, i think over the past year and a half since i've been on fox, learning to listen more. sometimes i don't do it great, but i'm getting better. also, i think a guy hit something really important, here. not impugning people's motives, not imputing their patriotism. we all want to make of country better. we disagree on how to do it, but when i have tried to understand -- i don't judge people for supporting donald trump, i generally want

to know why they do. why? >> but you are -- i was walking down the street in new york city, and this young latino man stopped me with wide eyes and he went "i can serve as i can talk to." he looked at me like i was a panda in a bikini. it walking down 23rd street. [laughter] they don't listen, he said. he said "i literally have no friends left because i can't talk to them." and i said one thing to him -- "talk about policy." don't talk about personality, talk about ideas. how you see the role of government in this world. it's only way to reduce some humor. in the meantime, this is kind of dovetails with what were talking about. micro-aggression, pc culture, continues on college and across country. researchers from harvard university have found that trigger warnings or having the opposite of the desired effect

on students, making them more stressed out. researchers say they are finding a conclusion that trigger warnings can actually be detrimental to a person's mental health, even making them less emotionally resilient. guy? >> guy: in my book, "end of discussion," about a lot of the stuff we get into trigger warnings. some things can be truly triggering, like people that come back for more. people have survived sexual assault. but the proliferation of reasons why trigger warnings are deemed necessary has become preposterous, and this study, to me, i actually sort of chuckled about it. by trying to coddle too much, they are actually doing the opposite of what they are supposedly intending here, which is to sort of almost warned students that there is something they should be upset about. be careful. and then that rises the temperature and the concern, and the stress going to whatever that topic is. we are a adults.

these are handled. >> i'm so in the dark on all that. words hurt! you're pointing at me! you can't put your finger at me. it's become so observed. absurd, my mind is scrambled over it. >> i agree with him, he liked this idea of universities giving students tools to talk to people they can do disagree with bettr and effectively. rather than shielding them from those as agreements or ideas that make them feel comfortable. i do agree with you guys at their real things that trigger and we need to pay attention to those. coddling kids doesn't make them do better in the real world. >> just really quickly, you mentioned that wake forest is doing these intimate dinner parties. they're like 10-16 people trying to teach people how to communicate with each other create how about teaching people some table manners?

that's what we really need. >> i think coddling isn't a real issue and a real problem, because think about your own li. i've learned the most from adversity, i've learned the most i've had to feel pain, to be through a difficult situation. those of the best character-building exercises. i think the time you and me most about life. if you try to remove those things from happening under difficulty coming in preparing people for the real world. >> i agree. i think part of the problem is, when you are triggered, they are actually rewarding you for being triggered by saying that you have more virtue or something or other. i think the important part is to tell people that, you know, deal with it. just like lisa said. >> we'll be back tomorrow, noon eastern. ♪

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>> all eyes will be on capitol hill tomorrow for brett kavanaugh's first confirmation hearing for the u.s. supreme court. happy labor day to everybody joining us this afternoon, and welcome to america's news headquarters. >> good to be with you on this labor day. a senate panel is set to take a deep dive into the career of president trump's supreme court nominee as democrats complain about the amount of relevant documents that have been withheld. peter doocy's life this afternoon from capitol hill, high peter. >> republicans are so confident in kavanaugh's qualifications, they think he is going to easily head off any attempt at a gotcha question this week. the hearings are going to be