♪ >> tucker: welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." unbelievable news today. we have the show to match it. the second of the kavanaugh hearings on capitol hill. with the details on what happened and who shouted what in a minute. but the rise of the far left in the democratic party is showing in the state of massachusetts this time. another long-time democratic incumbent unseeded from his seat with a charger from the far left. the new democratic nominee for the district attorney in boston says she will roll back prosecutions on a bunch of crimes including drug dealing, theft, breaking and entering, and shoplifting.

we speak to the candidate ahead on the show. plus we continue the special investigation into nbc's suppression of the harvey weinstein sex abuse story. why did they do it and who knew? that is minutes from now. but first, "new york times" published op-ed piece written anonymously by someone who claims to be a member of the trump administration and underground resistance in the west wing. we think we have a pretty good idea who wrote the piece. we have called the white house for comment on it tonight. but until we confirm the identity we won't accuse anyone in public. we will keep you posted on that. the piece does make a couple of points. the first is that the president is an unpredictable and mercurial boss who is lightl on policy detail and given to saying outrageous things. that is true. sorry, it is true. if you've ever seen him give a speech, you already know that. one of the most striking

things about trump is that he is almost exactly the same in person as he is on television. ask anyone who knows him. there is no secret persona hidden behind the public face. . as there was with barack obama, for example. and so many other presidents and politicians. they are totally different in person. trump, though, is exactly who you think he is. you either like that or you don't. you voted for him or you didn't. but he is not trying to fool you. he is not capable of fooling you.u. he is governing exactly as you would imagine he would. not clear why everyone is surprised by that. the other point of the piece is trump's view on policy differ from those who permeate washington. therefore the presidency is illegitimate. at one point he says he does not believe russia is a central threat to the unitednt states. and resisted imposing crushing sanctions on russia. but thankfully, the piece explains, this is a direct quote. "his national security team

knew better." such actions had to be taken. trump ran on closer relations with russia. voters agreed with that so they elected him president of the united states. yet, the same people who brought iraq and libya do not agree with that. so they subvert his view, which are the views of the voters, the american people. and yet, this is somehow a win for democracy and we should all celebrate. well, in washington, they are celebrating tonight. not just democrats but the entire paul ryan wing of the republican party. which even today is dominant. maybe the most revealing part of the op-ed, the author drops a stunner. "president trump's impulses are generally antitrade." really? maybe the author deduced thatre from the hundreds of speeches trump has given over the past 25 years attacking our trade policies. voters knew that when they elected him. that is one of the reasons they did elect him as president. trump's attempt to do what heel promised to do on the campaign

are not a travesty. they are a sign the system is working as designed. politicians are supposed to that is the basic, and maybe the only measure of success as a presidential administration.n. did you do what voters sent you there to do? in washington, that is considered shocking.g. that is the real problem with this piece. not that an unnamed white house official is disloyal to the president. omarosa and scaramucci worked in the west wing. we have seen it before. the problem is so many in political class are disloyal to voters. the people in charge of administrating the democracy don't believe in democracy. they don't even hide it. that is a problem. big problem. it's unsustainable over time. lou dobbs is a beloved face to the viewers and he joins us now.

lou, the headline here is that trump was elected on a very -- not super specific but a clear platform. one of the planks of the platform was i don't think we need to be enemies with russia. he said it countless times on the campaign trail. he comes to washington and a small group of people who are experts on running the world, the same people who destroyed the world over the past 20 years, decide that can't stand and we'll subvert it. why should we not see it as threat to democracy?ye >> i think we should. the president tonight saying that the anonymous, so-called purported anonymous figure that the "times" claim authored the anonymous op-ed is saying clearly this is a national security issue and they should turn over the identity of that person to the government. i think he is right about that. this is a national security issue. i couldn't agree more with what you said at the top of the show.io this is a president who is not surprising anyone. what is happening is we have a

nation of the daffodils. you can argue about the number. is it 25% of the country that are daffodils or 50%? but they can't handle truth. this president is not, as the left likes to claim, obfuscator or a liar. he is talking the truth and these little daffodils can't handle it. they are in the democratic party, and a large number, nearly all of them, are in the democratic party, tucker, they are watching their coalition fall apart. they can talk about group and identity politics and nobody cares because everyone is watching their lives improve under this president. whether it's employment or economic growth or national security and a nation that is more secure because we have a president who doesn't really give a damn about leading from behind or strategic patience.

he wants straight forwardly for americans to be safe. he wants them to be prosperous.os he means all americans. he has delivered on that in a year and a half. they can't even believe what is happening. >> tucker: i was so struck -- i agree with what you said and i agree thehe opposition comes primarily from the left but not exclusively. i was struck by the undertone of this piece. at one point he says it. look, republicans believe in free minds and free markets. they believe the libertarian catechism on economics. anyone who differs from that needs to be stopped because fthat is not allowed. so the question really is do voters have a right to influence the direction of their own country? maybe voters want to be closer to russia. maybe they don't buy free c trade as constituted in the last 25 years or maybe they have a problem with the capitalism we are practicing. do they have a right to express the views or shouldit they shut up and be called treasonous for expressing them? >> the elite you describe in the republican party believe

exactly that, that there is noli right of expression that should allow the working man and woman and their families, those who aspire to the middle class and the middle class, my gosh, to actually have a voice in policy and in two will lead the country. yes. they do. that is what this president is demonstrating. this president, god bless him. you can see he is struggling with the idea that the dadgum left wing national media in country doesn't consider him a great president because he is delivering. he is doing what he has done throughout his entire life. he is building. he is doing. he is achieving. he is succeeding.oi and he, for the life of him, can't understand why that isn't of paramount importance rather than his elocution or the elites of the country whoo think they should be the senior partners in governance.

>> tucker: yeah. not just the senior partners but the unquestioned boss and the dictator. lou, thank you. >> great to be with you, tucker. thank you. >> tucker: today was the second day of the confirmation hearing for supreme. court nominee brett kavanaugh whichh made second day of noisy occasionally hysterical protests. here is a selection. >> we will not go back. [yelling] >> thank you. >> we will not go back! we will not go back! >> on individual liberty. >> you will never take contributions. the american people have no faith in you, sir. >> tucker: shannon bream hosts "fox news at night" at 11:00 and the attorney and chief legal correspondent for good reason.ie what were the take-aways today from the hearings?

>> we thought yesterday was such an explosive day with all the trouble on the bench and also many, many times, dozens of times in the audience so we thought today would be quieter but not so. you saw there, protesters had a number of things to say and to talk about in the hearings today. but you know what? the senators and the nomineeng proceeded as if anything, and anything was only about what he had to say. substantively, they kept talking over them. the capitol hill police have been good at getting people out. we did get to substance today. nominee today saying the critics are grasping at straws. but the president was front and center. richard blumenthal used to be a prosecutor and he displayed the skills today.en he started out saying let's get to the elephant in the room. he said numerous times the president is unindicted coconspirator. i i i need you to say if you would recuse yourself if a civil or

criminal case came before you? and kavanaugh said i cannot break precedent of what nominees have done before to say i can't tell you how i would rule on any potential case so he deferred on thee presidential question, as well. they talked about guns and roe v. wade, all kinds of things. busy and a substantive day for day two. >> tucker: how did he hold up? this has to be grueling if you're brett kavanaugh. >> he went through a number of murder boards and we talked to g.o.p. senators who said we worked with him. they said, we tried to be as nasty to him as possible. we brought his family into it and went after different people close to him. we went after him on issues. we mischaracterized him so the hearings would be easier than what they put him through so they feel like he is well prepared and he has held up well. he has gotten halfway there but has another full day of questioning tomorrow.. maybe a little bit shorter. but he has a couple of hours left here tonight. >> tucker: breen, thank you. great to see -- shannon bream. thank you. great to see you. this is candidates from the far left, not pejorative, this

is accurate.e. big victories. this could tell us a lot about the future of the democratic party. but first, ed henry has updates on the candidates. >> it's great to see you.he big night for ianna presley in line to be the first african-american woman to represent massachusetts in congress. historic achievement but also puts her views in the spotlight. she knocked off democratic incumbent like the darling of the left, alexandria ocasio-cortez did in new york a few months back. they both want to fund or abolish i.c.e. but rachel rollins won district attorney and she is supposed to enforce the laws if she gets the job. but on her website she promises to stop prosecutors all kinds of misdemeanor crimes to declare prosecution of the charges is warranted, the line d.a. must first seekk

permission from his or her supervisor to move forward on the crime. the stated goal is to focus the resources on the serious crimes like murder. some of the crimes that would no longer be enforced are serious. larceny under $250. disorderly conduct. receiving stolen property. breaking and entering in a vacant property or for the o purpose of sleeping or seeking refuge from the cold. threats, excluding domestic violence. drug possession with the intent to distribute or sell. stand-alone resisting arrest charge if it's the only charge.ch if you think it's isolated to just massachusetts, think again. there are three different democratic candidates in texas, including o'rourke challenging ted cruz pushing a plan to decriminalize illegal border crossings. so if you illegally cross the border and the plan goesbo through, it will no longer be illegal. tucker? >> tucker: so basically they are just making it legal to cross the border for everyone, right?: b or am i missing something?

>> sounds like it. >> tucker: it does sound like it. ed henry, great to see you tonight. thank you for that. we just heard how the boston d.a. candidate rachel rollins wants to reduce the prison population by cutting down on the criminal prosecution. the long list of the laws she plans to not prosecute if elected. we'll talk to her after the break. see if we heard all of this correctly. stay tuned. where are we taking him? i have no clue. we're just tv doctors. if this was a real emergency, i'd be freaking out. but thanks to cigna, we can do more than just look heroic. we can help save lives by getting you to a real doctor for a check-up. nurse, this thing's defective. please don't touch that. we are the tv doctors of america. together with cigna reminding you... to go, know, and take control of your health. doctor poses! cigna. together, all the way.

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>> tucker: before the break we told you about a boston d.a. candidate and her vision for criminal justice reform. what is the argument in favor of her plan? we are grateful that rachel rollins agreed to come on the show and make her case directly. she joined us now. thank you for coming on. a lot of people are talking about the story and i'm thankful that you are here to tell us your views. because i'm grateful i want to be respectful of you. i'll try to be.te but i'm concerned and confused why in the middle of the worst drug crisis in our history you want to decriminalize possession with intent to distribute drug

dealing. why? >> well, i'm talking -- first, thank you for having me on the show. >> tucker: of course. >> i'm very excited to be the democratic nominee here in boston. i'm more concerned about possession, possession charges with respect to substances. what we have a significant opioid crisis here in boston with six to eight people dying a day. what we are seeing is people are being incarcerated and they are having their opioid crisis dealt with by the prison system or the house of corrections. i don't believe that that is the appropriate place where they should be getting services. >> tucker: i understand. there is a counter argument but that is legitimate. that is the argument that you make. but on your website unless i misread it is possession with intent to distribute. that is drug dealing. the crisis is real. d why don't we want to prosecute drug dealers?s >> there is significant in

smaller amounts with intent to distribute. this is more along the line of trafficking charge where i would want to focus our attention. we have removed the mandatory minimums in massachusetts.ri and in a new criminal justice reform bill signed into law by governor baker. so we are moving away from focusing on those type of crimes. i believe what we are doingyp here in massachusetts at least -- i'm not sure what is happening where you areas located -- but there are a lot of nonviolent people sitting in jail and it is costing us over $50,000, and sometimes upward of $65,000 a year to have them there. when they come out they have a felony and they can't get housing and they can't get employment. that is why we have a 50% recidivism rate here. >> tucker: it's tough, for sure. when 70,000 americans dying of drug o.d.s, drug dealing could be a form of violence. let me ask you about the shoplifting question.

what do you say when people come to you and say people are looting the store and no one will prosecute them? what is your answer to them?m?op >> what i want to make sure is no one is saying they won't be held accountable. what i want to make sure that you are understanding is as i u said $50,000 a year to house someone in the suffolk county house of corrections. shoplifting charge will have multiple court dates. we are going to have let's say three months this person can't afford their bail. it will cost us $12,500 to house them in the suffolk county house of corrections. i believe we can have them doing community service or returning the items itself. i think we have to think creatively about solutions. it's much more fiscally responsible to not house them within -- go ahead.. >> tucker: i understand. but in both cases with the drug dealer and the shoplifter you appealed to the person being accused. what happens to the person that is tough on the criminal. i think it's a fair point. but you haven't said -- >> it is a fair point.

>> tucker: you haven't saidoi anything of the parents of the kids that died of a fentanyl o.d. or shop owner watching his stock stolen by the shoplifters which is common in places, as you know. what do you say to them? we are not cracking down on the people looting your store. we are not cracking down on people who killed your kid with fentanyl. what is your line to them? >> what i would say certainly if there is an opioid or overdose related death that is a different situation that could be charged with a different crime. that is number one.it what i will say to you, though, with respect to the store owners, we are not saying they won't get the items back. if we are catching the individuals and return the item and have stay-away order and the individual continues to go back. i'm saying what happens now is one incident occurs, somebodym is arrested. they usually can't afford the bail. so they are held pretrial, it is costing us more money. if we can get a civic association or some other oversight involved in this individual's life, and get the services back to the -- or the

items back to the store owner, i think that is more fiscally responsible. >> tucker: you say "fiscally responsible" and boston has a crime rate lowest in 20 years i think. that is true of a lot of cities. the crime rate will go up if you get elected or people with your ideas are elected nationwide.es no question. we have seen it before. what is the cost of that whenue new york is a place you can't live because of crime, and it becomes uninhabitable?ce as it was before in the '70s. what is the cost there? >> i would challenge you. a livable city in what sense? you can afford to live here? >> tucker: that you don't get mugged going to the liquor store that you used to in 1981 in new york. people didn't live there. washington, d.c. i lived there at the time. you couldn't go anywhere because of the time. that is coming back. are you worried about that? >> i understand that. >> tucker: are you worried about that? >> i'm pushing back a little respectfully. there are sections in boston. three-mile radius where we have a thousand unsolved homicides.

the "washington post" just did an article i'm sure you readad where massachusetts sadly and suffolk county, boston, we have the highest rate of unsolved homicides with respect to the racial disparity. so i would push back a little bit. there are sections in boston that are not livable at all. i want to focus on that type of crime. i need to push and make sure you understand i am a former prosecutor, i don't have a problem putting people in jail if they are violent but i believe we have too many people in jail that are not violent. we can disagree what violence is and i respect that and understand it but we are spending too much time on the petty crime clogging up the system and costing us more money. >> tucker: i get it. >> we can handle them in a social way, more problems than crimes. >> tucker: i hope you are right. a we are out of time. >> i hear you.re >> tucker: thank you foror coming on. is it. c we're just out of time but i appreciate you coming on and explaining your views. thank you. >> you bet. thank you. >> tucker: alan dershowitz is of course retired law

school professor and author of "the case against impeaching trump" and joins us now. alan dershowitz, you are slightly older than i am and old enough to remember a time when boston and other places in the city were too dangerous to walk through because the crime rate. lowering the crime rate changed america completely. it made the urban core habitable again. are you worried that movements like this will spike the crime rate again? >> it depends how they are implemented. i like the idea of addressing the issue of mass incarceration. i like the idea as a criminal defense lawyer of not keeping people, poor people in jail because they can't afford the $500 bail for minor offense. it's all about prioritizing. we have limited resources. i tend to agree with the newly elected prosecutors if we do more to stop murders at the cost of perhaps letting some low-level drug users or drug dealers go free.ti

it's a tradeoff that is worth it. i worry about, one thing in her proposal that really worries me. that is resisting arrest. i think that if you stop prosecuting resisting arrest, first of all, you will have tremendous pushback from the police. second, i worry that the police will get more aggressive if they know they can't arrest somebody and put them in jail and deter people from resisting arrest. the end result may be more deaths than rather than fewer deaths so i would hope rachel who has a good heart and i think is looking to do the right thing. i would hope she would reconsider resisting arrest and pick a commission of people from the african-american community, from the more general community, academics, prosecutors to be a board of advisers, to give her some empirical advice as to how to prioritize, to make sure we use law enforcement dollars and resources and lives in the right way to minimize the most

serious crimes even if it results in a slight increase in less serious crimes. that would be a good use of resources. what i'm worried about -- >> tucker: yeah, i don't know -- there is a ton of research that the little crime, the broken window theory actually is true and it worked in new york. nobody remembers that? >> there is some good data to support that. look, what i worry about more generally is that in some part of the country, law enforcement is becoming so aggressive and so dangerous and in other parts more lenient we are getting almost two approaches for law enforcement and that is not healthy thing. >> tucker: it's not. professor, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: we'll have more on the rising power of the far left in the democratic party. it's official. they are in charge now. also new information from ourn investigation into nbc's squelching of the harvey weinstein sex abuse story. that's ahead. ahead. ♪ hungry eyes

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>> tucker: well, from massachusetts to california to new york. the far left of the democratic party is on the rise. and their vision of immigration and identity politics and crime increasingly is party orthodoxy.nt richard has been around the party for a long time and a former adviser for bill and hillary presidential campaign. so we thought we'd ask him. he joins us now. we spoke to the woman who ise' likely to be a big-time d.a. in the boston area. she is explaining if elected in november she will decriminalize resisting arrest, low-level drug dealing and shoplifting. i am thinking as i listen to this -- she is not an isolated case. a lot of candidates make the same case on the democratic side this season. is that a platform that you are comfortable with? we are cool with shoplifting?? no big deal. theft, resisting arrest, a little bit of fentanyl selling is okay? what is that? >> so the last time we had at

democrat in the us who controlling federal policy regard to the criminal justice, we had the lowestaly crime rate recorded basically in history. okay? so the notion that somehow democrats -- >> tucker: wait, wait. h no, no. i'm not making a generalization. that is bill clinton --ak >> no, no. barack obama, actually. >> tucker: oh, barack obama. >> yeah. >> tucker: because bill clinton was a racist for enforcing the law and hiring all the new cops and getting tough on crime. that is the democratic view of bill clinton. i don't want to argue about obama. that was a different party. that was a year and a half ago. that was prehistory.at the revolution is in progress. i want to talk about now. right now you have prominent democrats running againstt prosecuting shoplifting and resisting arrest and drug dealing. and hopping the border. o'rourke is against arresting people for breaking immigration laws. what do you think of that? are you okay with that? >> what i think, this is a caricature and a mischaracterization of where democrats are.

for example -- >> no, it's not. i interviewed the woman four minutes ago. >> i understand. she explained to you i thought rather soberly as did alan dershowitz why the policies she is pursuing might make a big difference in a positive way. not leading to more crime. >> tucker: she is not criminologist. she is someone expressing hopes that the policy will succeed. but there is a mountain of evidence -- but you're not answeringoi my question. but the question is are you really going to get before voters and say the problem with america we are too tough on shoplifters and drug dealers? what about the people saying i own a store and i'm not okay for shoplifting. normal people will say, what about me? >> she explanned how she was proposing to do that without spending the money. you know who is in favor of ending mass incarceration? chuck grassley. not some radical democrat a working with a guy you heard of,

too, jared kushner, and the democrats trying to get the general justice reform. >> tucker: i don't care what some republican says. i don't care about parties.as i care about the ideas. i care about the government protecting normal people. who aren't illegal aliens or billionaires. normal people.ll they don't seem to be protected under this scheme at all. >> as rachel explained the problem with putting someone who steals a loaf of bread inri jail with no prior record, they become often a hard criminal. then you have have recidivism and you have someone in society who is much, much worse impact on society generally than if you dealt with them in a measured way. that is all she is trying to do. >> tucker: but it hasn't happened. the opposite has happened. under the mass incarceration regime that you are upset about, the country is safer. you started the conversation conceding that. we had the mass incarceration under obama and it was the safest time in history. so mass incarceration protects t the rest of us. there is a down side but it makes us safer.

>> i think what grassley, kushner and the democrats are i saying there is a better outcome. right? we don't have to have mass incarceration to still keep the crime rate low. you are conflating the two. i think that's actually not fai fair. >> tucker: okay.i i think you just got run over by the logic train. >> i don't think so. i think that the facts argue otherwise. again we saw with obama, the crime rate were at out an all time low. what can i say? >> tucker: because we had mass incarceration! good to see you. we have more on the nbc effort to cover for harvey weinstein sex crimes. why did they do that and who knew? that is next. keep those shrimp comin'! endless shrimp is back at red lobster. with all the shrimp you want, any way you want them. try delicious creations like new crunchy fiesta shrimp tortilla chip crusted then topped with a creamy blend of three cheeses and finished with pico de gallo. and there's new sesame-ginger shrimp. grilled and drizzled with savory soy-ginger sauce

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that was a lie. rose mcgowan was on the record accusing weinstein and they killed the story anyway. another person says that nbc dismissed her allegations against weinstein as "personal suspicions" when she went on camera and made allegations of abuse that she personally witnessed. so, at this point there is no reason to trust nbc. we are not saying it out of competitive animus but based on the facts. so far, they haven't finished investigating joy reed's hacked blog, the one the f.b.i. was supposedly investigating, or explain why they leaked the "access hollywood" tape to the "washington post." they lied about that for almost two years. maybe it's time for nbc to hire an outside investigator, maybe independent reputable law firm to launch an unbias review and identify who played what role in protecting harvey weinstein. we know it happened.

it would be useful for the rest of us to know who did it and why. tammy bruce is a radio show host and president of women's independent voice and she joins us tonight. right before air i got a call to let me know that nbc, stung by our investigation into the lying and the coverup, is now doing a hit piece on me personally calling me, of course, a racist. >> sure. >> tucker: on the basis of no evidence. but it is another indication that they are caught red handed. wouldn't it be better to say we were threatened and this is why we did this, we're sorry, rather than extend what is clearly a lie? >> but they are taking a page out of weinstein's book. part of what we saw him do is issue threats against individuals who were saying they would cover him or they had questions, and then those individuals would retreat.

this seems to be someone that nbc, if they are doing, is applying and something that weinstein would do. but they have bigger problems. farrow has a boom coming out called "catch and kill" where he describes what happened and how the story was killed at nbc. their problems are very, very big. you are simply discussing them. which is important. but what we also know is when it comes to even that 11-page tone, the andy lack put out, he stated that the women that came forward, they said they had no one gong on camera. but as you noted they did have someone on the record. but journalistic ethics has kept reporters from revealing the names of the sexual assault victims. but never expects them to go on camera. in his rebuttal pages he mocks, it sounds like he is mocking the victims of the

harvey weinstein by saying with the brave women that talk to ronan for the print story, would they have gone in front of a camera and the lights? well, since when and why would they so destroy a level of the journalistic ethics that everyone applies? there is some debate about whether or not you should name sexual assault victim. separately from that, with all things being equal, why would he then have it be a standard that the victims would have to go on camera personally? >> tucker: exactly. >> and yet, we already had not just rose mcgowan but that model who was taped and did a sting for the nypd. she was also known. so you have a whole coverage here of a problem they will have to face soon, especially that book coming out. >> tucker: such a smart point. it's the opposite standard they apply. >> indeed. >> tucker: very smart. tammy, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: well, nike assigned colin kaepernick to an ad campaign. some people are deeply unimpressed by that. the ensuing fracas threatens

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>> tucker: nike released the first colin kaepernick ad. kaepernick, you may have read, is the bravest man in history. braver than anyone who hasth flown fighter jets or fought wars or nursed a sick child. very brave man. was it a wise business decision for nike? not everybody agrees with it. dave portenoy is well positioned to answer the question. the founder of a successful business and he is revered by many people in the commonwealth of massachusetts

where he is known as el presidente, the sports founder. was it smart, dave, do you think? >> by nike, i do. i think it will pay off. i would buy shares in nike. i think it was very smart. >> tucker: how can that be? so you have a company that lots of people like regardless of politics, you take a position in one of the most polarizing political questions of the moment. why don't you automatically alienate half your customers? >> so i think nike, i think h when you are a huge company like nike it is hard to stay edgy, hard to stay on top of that long. this brings edge to them. i think the old nike that a lot of people know is not really the nike that it is.lo like you see pictures of the big and the rich guy burning his nike socks that looked like they weren't washed and a pair of socks from the 1980s. they are a sneaker head company and a cutting edge, hip, urban company. if you go if the nike stores that is what they are selling. i think they know -- like these shoes, i just think they are moving and they know their demo and they will react to this. so, i am not saying i agree with -- >> tucker: i get it. i get it.

but can i ask a macro question? so if you sell shoes that cost hundreds of dollars to some of the poorest people in america, how are you helping the cause of civil rights?s? >> i don't they care about civil rights. i think they care -- >> tucker: no. >> they care about selling shoes. if i'm a shareholder, i don't care about anything but me putting money in. this is a business decision. anybody who is saying nike cares about civil rights orth doing the right things you can argue that. that is not what i'm arguing. i'm saying as a shareholder i like the move. everyone is talking about it.ha i think it makes them relevant and a brand that reinvigorates that has been around forever. it's hard to be a brand that everyone is talking about around for 50 years. so for me, as a shareholder, i love it. i'm not talking civil rights. that is a different discussion. >> tucker: this is a pure business decision so you think they are going to gain more from people who are fighting the power with millionaire colin kaepernick than they will lose from people like me

who are like, i'm new balance from here out? >> yeah. i would like to see the pair of nikes you wore because i bet they are not trendy. are you a sneaker head? i don't think they are saying "we will lose tucker carlson." i don't think it's going through their minds. >> tucker: i am wearing the same that were issued when i was in high school. great shoes. >> that is what probably what they are looking at. even if you look at the protest, the gear of nike putting up burning are like well, that is why they did it. they haven't bought new nikes in the last decade. >> tucker: you are right. i knew a business guy would understand this. dave, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: jeff bezos, the richest man in the world. yet, a lot of the employees are fed by you. they are on food stamps that you are paying for because he doesn't pay them enough. one congressman says it is time for amazon to pay you

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upload your logo or start your design today at customink.com. >> tucker: amazon is one of the biggest companies in the world and jeff bezos is the world's single richest man, more money than anyone has had in history and yet many of the people who work for him are in poverty, they meet the threshold and t that means that you are taking up the slack. paying for, among other things, their food stamps. now members of the congress have introduced a large bill to make companies foot the bill you've been paying for their employees. congressman, thank you very much for coming on. i don't agree with you on much, but i think i agree with you on this. i'm grateful you come to explain this to our viewers. what's the point of this legislation? >> the idea is really simple, taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill to subsidize the wages of employees who are working a multibillion dollar corporations. the basic idea for a free market is if you work hard andd are smart enough to pick a

company that does well, you should make enough to put food on the table and it's absurd that the taxpayers are having to subsidize these employees. >> sean: it's absolutely absurd. and by the way the companies are doing this because they know the taxpayers are taking up the slack. they are taking advantage our system. so here's my question. why aren't more members ofe congress on board with you from both parties? >> these companies have massive lobbyists and they want to keep the system as it is. they get lavish stock options and they are not compensating the employees who are doing a lot of the work. henry ford back in 1914 decided to double people's wages and that was capitalism that works and it worked for the employees and the companies. it's not radical, but this is the type of policy that built america. if someone is working hard and picking the right company, they should be rewarded. >> tucker: certainly taxpayers

should not be making up the difference for the employee's of the single richest man in the world. have you heard from lobbyist from amazon or any of the other companies that might be affecte affected? speak i don't want to say who, but i have heard from people who are unhappy that are doing this. they give all these crazy reasons, a disincentive to hire, discriminate. by law, they cannot discriminate. it's not not a disincentive to hire, they want the money for stock options for their executives. i'm sure the lobbyists gotce to people and there is rational people for this. it's just offending these companies and having a huge foothold in our politics. >> tucker: later this week we will be speaking to an amazon worker living in her car. congressman, thanks for joining us. that's it for us, tune in everv night at 8:00 p.m. for the show that is the sworn enemy ofn, lying, pomposity, smugness and especially groupthink which is ubiquitous now. fight back against it, that's the only solution. o

have a great night, and guess who is next? live from new york city, going to him seven seconds early, which is both a gift and a sign of fraternal affection. it's sean hannity. g >> sean: let me have my marco rubio moment. [laughter] >> we will go back to tabulate the whole year, and i lose time. you are stealing it. and if you say no, it's fake news. tucker, thank you. lots breaking tonight, and the anonymous saboteur within the trump administration trashing the president, a cowardly gutless act going after his agenda and we will get into alt of this. it was published, of course, bp the liberal failing "new york times" from a person claiming to be a senior employee in the executive branch, that could be hundreds of people. when we get through this tonight, we will respond to the self involved super patriot.t whoever he or she may be