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>> i was fine with it. it was a sunday morning. congratulations, you grab so many of your colleagues into that event to raise $75,000, thanks to fox news and you scoring everybody. >> it was fun running with you. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: the president's national security advisor john bolton it set to deliver his first major address since joining the trump administratio administration. we expect to hear him announce that the united states will push for sanctions over an international criminal court investigation into alleged american war crimes in afghanistan. mr. bolton is also expecting to discuss the closure of the palestinian diplomatic office in washington, d.c. we will take you there live when he begins to speak live here and "outnumbered" ." in this fox news alert is where we began. at the white house stepping up attacks on the anonymous author of a highly critical "new york times" op-ed.
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you're watching "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. democratic strategist and fox news contributor jessica tarlov. most of kennedy on fox business kennedy. and in the center say, welcome back the editor in chief of "the daily caller" news foundation, a civilian salute to christopher bedford is in the house. >> chris: great to be here. on a beautiful rainy monday. i've got a lot of work to do. >> melissa: he looked panicked when you said that. it's catching up. >> harris: let's get to the news. as we begin some of the white house is going offense against the anonymous author of that opinion editorial who claims to be part of the resistance within the trump administration. vice president pence telling chris wallace on "fox news sunday" the unnamed author should do the right thing and resign, adding that he some of the vice president himself would be willing to take a lie detector test. >> i don't know, but i do know
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that they should resign and leave his administration. >> should all top officials take a lie detector test and would you agree to take when? >> i would agree to take in a heartbeat and would submit to any review. >> the vice president also was confident no one in his office had a hand in that op-ed piece. in >> on 100% confident that no one on the vice president staff was involved in this anonymous editorial. i know my people. they get up every day and are dedicated just as much as i am to advancing the president's agenda. >> harris: is not just the white house. even some democrats say the unnamed author should step down. >> chris: i agree with that position. i think the honorable thing is to resign and go public with the author's concerns about the president's fitness to serve. >> harris: you know it's interesting about this among
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other things is that anybody who quits now is going to be looked like it was the person. >> chris: they're looking all over, my favorite mystery game of the year i think. find this guy, finest lady if it a couple of really cool names, but i'm not going to share them because i don't know for a fact, just kind of guesswork. it would be interested to know if the white house is interested in searching around new york city where they have the united nations, it was such a foreign policy centered article and i threw some words out there the kind of made it seem like vice president mike pence could be guilty which i don't believe it all. >> jessica: which i think we were all googling frantically but he's been using it since the early 2,000, president pence has been writing in public. >> chris: seems like intentional misdirection or incredibly clumsy move. >> kennedy: our people are finally realizing that vice president pence would be president pence and that's starting to dawn on people and less this person directly targeting the vice president and
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making sure that there is now a rift between the president and vice president because he has been playing a very solid quiet game and he really is the silent ninja and if the president is in fact removed from office somehow. >> harris: up until this week and when he had to get on the record again and margaret brennan said she would turn the cameras back on for him to double down on because the first answer was a little ambiguous. so he's much more vocal right now. >> melissa: i worry that this is sort of a cheap trick by "the new york times" and i wonder if when we finally hear the name of this person, if it ends up being the sort of a low level person that nobody has ever heard of, do you have to ask yourself when this mystery ends, would this have gotten so much attention if it had been printed with the person's name. vesely if it was someone like pence or it would've gotten even more attention. but if it comes out with this name that no one's ever heard of
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and ends up being 1 of hundreds of bureaucrats or whatever in government, then you say to yourself it wouldn't have gotten any attention and that's just a dirty trick. it >> harris: to me, the bigger issue isn't whether or not we find out this person's name right away, it is length of time it takes in all the things that go on in the interim. for instance, if there is someone who is in the oval office pushing against an elected president of the united states and there would be no other kind they would probably push against is hard because they're trying to unseat with the people put into place, that to me is the bigger issue and the longer this goes on, how many more shenanigans could that person pull? >> kennedy: what else is funny as chris coming out acting so outraged. i really agree, the right thing to do, the only reason he wants to know who this person is a so they can divulge more information on the record because the story is going to fizzle out. even if we never find out who it
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is, there's going to be another story because we are not talking about the book at all. everyone is hyper focused on this and that has to really frustrate bob woodward. >> harris: he questions the judgment. >> kennedy: they want to go on the record. >> jessica: he is getting tweeted about by the president directly saying he either lies in the clouds are made up and now he's gone out and said they're absolutely not made up. i think he feels like he could be getting more time. michael wolff got a lot more attention and bob woodward actually does research and so he should deserve a lot more attention than that but interesting what you just said about what's going to happen about the person who is pushing against a duly elected president, with the op-ed read to me as is someone who felt that they were serving their country by being in there. >> harris: it better be ending president because they are making decisions on our behalf as the people and they don't
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even have the integrity to tell us who they are. if >> jessica: i think they should not personally not a fan of the never trumped the ball even as a liberal. it is different when it comes from a republican. we know about partisanship, we know what it's going to be a democrat but when is an never trumped or an old-fashioned neocon for instance he was inside the administration pushing for foreign policy oriented, foreign policy decisions would be getting from mitt romney, from john mccain that you're getting something different from the president, who has a different flavor to it but all of these people, it is a swamp. when you read it like that, it doesn't read as a never trumped. i understand that's where i went first but it's his group of people in washington who have held onto power and is being threatened now. >> harris: kellyanne conway, pounds counselor was on
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"meet the press" ." >> the president should have real concern about having large meetings where sometimes there are people included or substituting for other people that maybe he doesn't know well and i think every president deserves to have a leak-free ridiculous anonymous op-ed free white house. >> harris: one thing i want to ask you about and i did ask on friday about this at the white house, do you further the life span of this op-ed by calling it treason or saying that it's a national security risk or do see it is that? >> i think of this is actually a risk and it shows the complete lack of understanding of how u.s. government is supposed to operate, this self-righteous person who was in the government actively resisting the administration, the duly elected president. saying they're doing is over the health of the united states, take it upon themselves. that seems too far. whoever this person is doesn't
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do themselves any credit, because now there's a witch hunt. now they have this really grandiose plan to resist the president, why would they out it? why would they let the whole world know when that these people be snuffed out? >> kennedy: of the president is so dangerous, but yourself out there and make those claims. if this is someone who is a grave threat to the republic, that you have an obligation to let people know. just like the obama administration had an obligation to let more people know that russia was trying to infiltrate a presidential campaign. >> jessica: is very serious to say that it was a criminal act and they need to have evidence to back that up. you can't throw that around. if >> harris: i'm one of the outliers who said we shouldn't call the person anonymous because "the new york times" knows who it is and anonymity is when no one knows who you are ad this is just unnamed. so eventually, i would guess we are probably going to find out who it is. in the meantime, i know about one thing, we're going to move on. hurricane florence is gaining strength as a dangerous category
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four storm, a ramp up from a tropical storm to now, taking aim on the east coast. we will have the latest track on a powerful hurricane and when it might hit land. and president trump reportedly is ready to declassify documents related to the fbi's russia investigation. at the request of those 12 house republicans who want to look into how the bureau handled the investigation before the 2016 election, interesting points, stay close. >> i also agree with those members who have called upon the president to declassify the documents that are necessary for the american people to see what was going on in 2016 and early 2017 regarding the disparate way the fbi handled these two major investigations.
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the governor of south carolina urging people to prepare for the worst. >> this is being done with great skill and great speed. the unofficial side that is the citizens has a part to play and that is make your plans now. presume that a major hurricane is going to hit right smack dab in the middle of south carolina. >> melissa: joined me and i was meteorologist adam class with more on this one. >> this is a rapidly intensifying storm from a category two to three and now for. you can see the eye of the storm right they were spinning still long ways away, there still time for this to move a little bit come a time for more information to come in but here are current tracks and you're looking at this thing a category four as it runs from well out working its way closer and closer to the coast. the timing on is currently taking you all the way into
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thursday morning 8:00 a.m. when is still up there high enough to make this a category four storm as it approaches the shore. when will it be doing so? currently, models are suggesting sometime between thursday early afternoon into thursday evening even overnight. still a long way away so for a time for this to speed up or slow down as it has that direction but it is going to be a powerful storm. all of our current models suggest this will stay a category for which means winds are going to be a big concern with this one. we talk about a four storm, anywhere from 156 miles an hour as that makes landfall. going to be one of the big issues with the storm. now where exactly is it going to go? a lot of these tropical models are in tight agreement here as we continue to work our way towards the coast. typically a bought this far off, you have a good idea if you're heading towards the carolinas, south carolina and north carolina anywhere there from myrtle beach up towards the outer banks. still need to be out next her
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high alert obviously anywhere across the south you should be paying attention with this. when you get closer to shore, there is a little bit more indecision. is it going to cover for a little while, is it going to run inland, but something will need a couple of days to work out but if it does have are along the shore, that means more rain. part of the reason for that, the water is just so warm. you need a degree water to fuel the storms. 85 degrees is what is allowing this to continue to get bigger and stronger and really feel a lot of that rainfall we're going to be talking about. if it sits for a little bit come on there could be areas where we are talking about 2 feet of rain, maybe more than some of these spots so that does hit right along the coast, it's going to become a major rain event as well with the wind. obviously the surf is going to be a big storm and we do still need a couple of days to get a better idea where exactly this is going to hit right now, we are targeting thursday afternoon into thursday overnight as a possible landfall for the syste system. >> melissa: wow, thank you.
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president trump expected to declassify documents related to carter page and bruce ohr according to a new report. the documents relate to surveillance of the former campaign advisor and the justice department official bruce ohr's contact with christopher steele. if the former british intelligence agent who put together a dossier on then candidate trump. house republicans have been arguing for months of the documents prove antitrust bias within the doj. here is house committee chairman bob goodlatte. >> we are digging them out one at a time and we are making a lot of progress. we did not waste the august recess. we interviewed a number of key witnesses including bruce ohr and now we are proceeding to get additional documents from the fbi had lined up additional witnesses. >> melissa: chairman goodlatte also renewing calls for us second special counsel to investigated the fbi's handling
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of hillary clinton's emails and into the truck campaign. chris, i would say in this case, it all comes down to follow the money. the money comes from the dnc or the clinton campaign it goes to fusion gps and then into the bank account of bruce and nellie in order to create a document which then brews or carries back to the fbi. no matter what happens to it from there, all of that is not good. >> chris: is not, it's paid for opposition research and being taken seriously as a reason to surveillance american. to surveillance americans. >> melissa: doesn't get any better i don't think. >> jessica: incredibly different when you talk about opposition research happens during campaigns. we do when you're talking about an fbi official getting paid through the bank account of his wife by the democrats in order to create this fake dossier and then him taking it back inside
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the fbi, if that was then used to surveillance anyone, doesn't even matter who we are talking about here, that's really egregious. >> kennedy: this cannot be how the systems operate. and i understand there are marriages in d.c. where you have one person who works, one person who works for government but the point is when it can affect the outcome of the presidential campaign or if it can create a constitutional crisis as it is certainly still has the ability to, then you absolutely need to disclose informal documentation who you've interviewed, who you're married to, what you've talked about, and what is the connection between christopher steele. may be something in his dossier that is legitimate, there's a lot of it's illegitimate but this is a person who has so much antitrust passion. he hated the president so much. >> melissa: began just say
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it's about marriages. >> kennedy: i think it has to be disclosure and that's one of the problems here as bruce ohr not disclose. >> melissa: my husband is in finance. if i go on the business channel and i talk about a pump up some stock or something that's going to benefit him, that's benefiting me because we are married and we have joint asset assets. you've to share information when you cross it as a result. as a bigger deal. >> kennedy: the system was set up to bolster that information sharing to make people's lives difficult so they have almost no recourse. and that is what we are seeing here and i'm still surprised that bruce ohr has a job. >> harris: 's a lot of questions bubbled up. one of them would be dozen that already exist? and did he break the rules by not disclosing? i can't believe -- you have to do that a corporation. as melissa just said coming up to put all your cards on the table as a corporation. he don't have to do that at the fbi. the other thing that is sort of making my brain itches the fact
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that this is what they do to somebody with some power, someone wanting to be the president of united states and with some finances, how is the fbi as a whole then treating others around these issues of conflicts of interest and so on and so forth. it just makes me ask the question of if there is no rule in place and he didn't break it, we got a bigger problem. >> chris: is actually primary documents, so much of what has been given out so far to the public has been with the republicans think this says, the democrats think this says. we had to draw our own conclusions and play detective and now we are going to get some primary documents here if these are declassified, that will be a gold mine. >> jessica: we've been saying that for months and that's an important point. even on both sides of the aisle, is classified information is going to be released because of this and we need to protect national security first and foremost. >> kennedy: that song again so we have to protect sources and
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methods have become a shield of opacity and that they can. >> harris: can we trust him and his team to know what they're doing? >> jessica: i would hope so. then yes. i agree and i am totally with you on the disclosure friend here. i don't think that we can move to a world in which people are penalized professionally because of who they're married to. >> harris: i'm just confused about classification. >> kennedy: of your profiting off that marriage in order to bring someone down to be an impediment to your agenda, that's problematic. that has nothing to do with the marriage. >> jessica: that is what has happened. i'm not fighting with you about this. i'm saying we should release it, i'm saying it is normal for us to be concerned about the release of classified information. if the president is only doing today since he said as option
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if we don't step up, things can get worse, but the good news is in two months, we have a chance to restore some sanity in our politics. >> kennedy: vice president pence slamming obama's return to the public stage. >> it was very disappointing to see president obama break with the tradition of former presidents and becomes a political and roll out same tired arguments that he and liberals have made over the last eight years. the truth is, the american people in 2016 rejected the policy and direction of barack obama when they elected president donald trump. >> kennedy: while senator lindsey graham warns that his attack will backfire and can actually help president trump get reelected in 2020. so they're trying to turn
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president obama into nancy pelosi. >> chris: i don't know what the democrats are thinking here because the midterm elections are based elections, you get your active is going on the people who really care about the party much more than the general elections and the democrats of california are fired up. they hate president trump, the going to do anything they can to resist, to hurt the republican party and the people who have a base is not really paying attention as the republican party. they're sleepwalking into this and if you bring back the bogeyman of president barack obama, that's going to get people making more excited to say i don't want to go back to that. so it's a risk with more downsides and possible rewards. >> jessica: i totally disagree with you. if you look at the enthusiasm gap, it is a very democrats but there plenty of republicans in these primaries who are fired up to get there as well. that's why republicans are talking about impeachment and other bad things are going to happen the president jumped at the democrats take the house. if president obama did oversee the loss of some seats while he was president but he was one of the best speakers of either
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party. he connects with an audience. he does fire up a base. >> kennedy: a very problematic legacy. >> jessica: i don't think that for today what's going on at president from the president obama's legacy may be for some democrat socialist, maybe for those that are out there for bernie sanders it's complicated. everything that his image and what he represented in terms of this matters. >> melissa: it is what he represents because it's interesting when he gets up there and he talks about that there is this group that has a death grip on power and that they don't want to give it up and that he was progress and this is going back. when he says about breaking the grip of the ruling class, to me and i think to a lot of people, you hear washington politician. the ruling class that has a death grip on power and controlling what goes on in this country, controlling tax dollars, that's everybody on both sides of the aisle that lives in washington and when he
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speaks two different sides here totally different things and for republicans not even republicans, for people who hate washington, you hear him talking and you realize you don't know that the revolution was about you. it was about to lead us in washington who were holding onto power for my family what is right than i do. if >> kennedy: as president obama is talking, he's essentially saying that president trump is a system, not the cause but then you could argue that president obama was the cause. the pendulum to swing into this system of his presidency that is antithetical to how president obama comported himself and a lot of his ideas which are being dismantled. >> chris: when he was president, when he was running the country, there had to be op-eds and hotcakes every two years every time there was an election that said when president barack obama's name itself is in on the ballot, doesn't seem to have much of an impact, he was incapable of helping democrats and now i don't see him having any more power coming back from the dead.
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to be question how much trouble the democrats are in within their own problem the mech party if they had to go to barack obama to bring them forth. he made the point jessica that he didn't get out of the campaign trail. he didn't make the promise that president trump is making to get out there in seven days a week to help candidates win. he didn't do that and they lost 1,000 or more national and state seats. if so what does it mean that this is the man at the party willing to let her come back and take center stage, is there no one else that your party has? >> jessica: there are a lot of other people but we are running a series of local elections. we know they are very conflicting figures of the top, nancy pelosi cannot show up at a rally in ohio. that's not going to go well. you have people like tim ryan out there. really listening to him. he brings out the soaring ideals for which he was elected upon. i think people do connect to that. >> harris: i'm going to break in with breaking news, national
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advisor john bolton in washington just being introduced now, he's going to be talking about the international criminal court and whether or not it is moving to investigate the u.s. and israel and much more, let's watch. >> at the time, was there, he was nominated to be solicitor general by president nixon and ralph winter said looking at that nomination that the first sentence in "the new york times" story the next morning should be yesterday, president nixon appointed as his new solicitor general 20% of all the conservatives at yale law schoo school. so obviously times have changed due in no small part to the federalist society. and i'm really grateful for this opportunity. i'm here to make a major announcement on u.s. policy toward the international criminal court or icc. after years of effort by self-styled global governance
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advocates, the icc, a supranational tribunal that could supersede national sovereignty's and directly prosecute individuals for alleged war crimes was agreed in 1998. for icc proponents, this supranational independent institution has always been critical to their efforts to overcome the perceived failure of nation-states. even those with strong constitutions representative governments and the rule of law. in theory, the icc holds perpetrators to the most egregious atrocities accountable for their crimes. it provides justice to the victims and deters future abuse abuses. in practice, however, the court has been ineffective, unaccountable, and indeed, outright dangerous. moreover, this is a code pink my friends who follow me around. i apologize for the background noise, but there we go.
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moreover, the largely outspoken but always central aim of its most vigorous supporters was to constrain the united states. the objective was not limited to targeting individual u.s. service members, but rather america's senior political leadership in its relentless determination to keep our country secure. the icc was formally established in july, 2002 following the entry into force of the statue. in may 2002, president george w. bush authorized the united states to unsigned the statute because it was fundamentally in the legitimate. the icc and its prosecutor had been granted potentially enormous essentially unaccountable powers and alongside numerous other glaring significant flaws, the international criminal court constituted an assault on the constitutional rights of the american people in the sovereignty of the united state
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united states. in no uncertain terms, the icc was created as as a freewheelig global organization claiming jurisdiction over individuals without their consent. according to the statute, the icc has authority to prosecute, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and crimes of aggression. it claims automatic jurisdiction, meaning that i can prosecute individuals even if their own governments have not recognized, signed, or ratified the treaty. thus, american soldiers, politicians, civil servants, private citizens and even all of you sitting in this room today are purportedly subject to the court's prosecution. should a party to their own statute to the chief prosecutor suspected of committing a crime within a state or territory that is join the treaty. to protect american service members from the icc, in 2002, congress passed the american
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service members protection act which at the time, some dubbed the invasion act. this law which enjoyed broad bipartisan support authorizes the president to use all means necessary and appropriate including force to shield our service members in the armed forces of our allies from lcc prosecution. it also prohibits several forms of cooperation between the united states and the court. i was honored to lead the u.s. efforts internationally to protect americans from the courts unacceptable overreach starting with on signing statut statute. at president bush's direction, we next watched a global diplomatic campaign to protect americans from being handed over to the icc. we negotiated over 100 binding bilateral agreements to prevent
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other countries from delivering u.s. personnel to the icc. it remains one of my proudest achievements. unfortunately, we were unable to reach agreement with every nation in the world, particularly those in the european union. for the global governance dogma is strong. and last fall, our worst predictions about the icc's professed and overbroad prosecutorial powers were confirmed. >> harris: that's security advisor and ambassador john bolton talking about something that started years ago when he was appointed by president george w. bush to push against the international criminal court from overreaching and of reaching his hand across the nation to come out or across the oceans to come after our nation. if he continues that today with new policy. he says this is a major announcement now and how the united states will protect itself and israel from the overreach of the international criminal court. he describes what was put in
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place to do in july of 2002 and now it has kind of had migrated from the original cause and imposes a challenge if not a danger to the way that we operate in so he's looking at protecting the united states and israel. he is also expected to make another critical announcement today which the state department got on the record with just a few minutes ago and that is that they are pushing to close the palestine liberation organization general offices in washington, d.c. they do not feel that the palestinian leadership is doing what it can to move towards peace. so the answer back to that is to close those general offices in washington, d.c. we are watching this, we will bring it to you more as it makes news, but those are the points now that are being made by the national security advisor john bolton. moving on, north korea is celebrating its 70th anniversary with the usual big military parade. this year, it featured no
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>> melissa: north korea held its usual big military parade to celebrate its 70th anniversary with one conspicuous absence this year, the parade featured no intercontinental ballistic missiles instead, the celebration emphasize the economy with civilians groups such as nurses, students, and construction workers at the forefront on the parade. president trump praised kim jong un for the change and
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tweeted "this is a big and very positive statement for north korea. thank you to chairman kim. we will both prove everyone wrong. there is nothing like good dialogue from two people that like each other. much better than before i took office." >> kennedy: i think the whole thing is very interesting, very subtle. very self-effacing. this whole thing is interesting because north korea has really gotten a taste of how great it is to be south korea and with the two leaders meeting and the hope within both of these countries that there is one korean peninsula and the most exciting thing about south korea is their economy and their capitalism and the forward looking they have kapok, north korea wants to participate in that. it's much more boring being the ostrich headed hermit kingdom with your face varied.
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>> jessica: the people are a lot more angry. >> chris: i wonder how serious this is. if they show themselves to be very savvy and dealing with president trump who was a visual person, putting nuclear weapons and is parade would be such a talk to president trump right on the television screen, make it very, very angry but there's a lot of questions about whether or not they're still developing these weapons. we know they're moving them around the country to this is a visual sign of the president that they are still doing something but it's simply a symbol. >> harris: there was a letter from second of state mike pompeo on friday and he has that letter, giving it to the president now, once we get the reporting from if we get some detail from what was in that letter, it does speak to the issue of how far along we are in this whole thing this is the summit. i think that's important to know. the president had stopped any sort of meeting a couple of weeks ago wanting to survey.
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north korea knows of it doesn't stick to it, the communications are going to be cut. so he allows secretary of state pompeo on friday to move and get this letter and to get things moving again. i think it's really important to watch what comes out of that communication. >> jessica: the other piece of the puzzle here is china which has even more of an effect on what goes on and on the korean peninsula than we would. so what president xi is going to do. >> kennedy: any time there's a positive development between the united states and north korea, that's when china stepped in and north korea becomes belligerent once again. hopefully things will keep moving in a positive direction because this is one of the areas were president obama left his foreign policy in shambles. >> melissa: more reaction to the serena williams controversy after her outburst at the women's final. we are going to break down what happened at the u.s. final this weekend.
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>> kennedy: the women's tennis association supporting the serena williams after she called an umpire's penalties against her sexism. the first violation occurred when the umpire scott at the coach making hand signals from the stands, then serena smashed her racket. that's when she called the umpire a thief.
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serena weighed in on the whole thing after the match. watch. >> i have seen other men call other umpire is several things and i'm here fighting for women's rights and for women's equality and for all kinds of stuff, and for me to say thief and for him to take a game, it made me feel like it was a sexist remark. >> kennedy: is sexism at work here, man on the couch? >> chris: i'm the most "outnumbered" i felt yet. in sports, you can get really heated. you can lose your temper. they call it the sin bin and rugby, i've got it a few times, my coach was really mad. she went off the handle here and men have been punished before in tennis but it's probably true. the aggression and outburst from female athletes is less tolerated because it's considered less normal than for a man. >> kennedy: that's what james blake said. but you weren't there. >> melissa: i was there, with my kids who went to the whole
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thing sobbing, they were totally distraught. because it was so emotional. it played very differently in person and i will say that it felt like she was getting penalized and hammered and things were being taken away from her. it felt like a soccer was playing better but we know serena as someone who comes back in the end. it seems like the umpire was dealing with things that made no sense based on the situation. i'm not a tennis pro, but i understood her outrage. i would also say that when i read the coverage the next day, it seemed like a lot of the people that were writing opinions. actually they are what you don't realize is that all of the billing was at the umpire and that people in the stands felt like both women had been robbed. osaka more than anyone else because her victory was made to feel like it wasn't legitimate and she played amazingly, but for serena williams, it really did -- i know people say she's a
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complainer, she was a bad sport. it really did seem like the punishment was so much bigger than the crime that was going on there. and both of their coaches really were signaling. >> harris: you're in the fourth quarter, the last 20 seconds and you're inside the red zone and an nfl game. if something happens with the coach and they penalize the team with a touchdown. the opposing team. >> melissa: they gave a whole game. >> harris: then you have to ask is what's being done commensurate with the behavior? we have all seen john mcenroe, he has had some outbursts and your right, there have been penalties. if you have a basically gave him a shoulder rub and that he was a fan. >> harris: all of it robbed both women as you say. it really did because did that one day make a difference at that point and you could ask it
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about men and women, who is stronger. you held your tongue, you survived. >> jessica: that will serve you well. >> melissa: we will be back here tomorrow, here's harris. >> harris: we haven't had to say it like this during this hurricane season, but now we do. the east coast is now bracing for what could be a life-threatening storm. we are on the watch. let's go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. forecasters say her again florence is expected to make landfall this thursday. wins about 130 miles for per h, it could strengthen even more. states of emergency declared in north carolina, south carolina, and now virginia. adam fox with mark, adam? >> this is a powerful storm, just
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