federal government stands by ready to assist 24/7. back tomorrow at 7:00. tucker carlson is next. have a good night. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, welcome to tucker carlson tonight. ken starr joins us with more investigation on the clinton investigation that made him famous. he considered perjury charges against hillary clinton we now now. we'll tell us about that. first an exclusive investigation from the show. for two years the alleged threat that russia poses to our elections has been official washington obsession. the usual business of government has come to a halt as democrats and their allies in the press fret that russian agents may be interfering with our democracy. the root of these fears, a handful of russian ads on facebook that almost nobody saw, in a small number of efforts to

hack democratic party e-mail accounts. now, let's assume that all of these deeply worried people are sincere, that they really care about the integrity of our democracy. then why has almost nobody said anything about the tech monop y monopolies that dominate the exchange of information in this country? if a few dozen facebook ads are enough to subvert an election shouldn't we be worried about facebook itself which controls literally bill lons of ads? a couple of times on this show social scientist robert epstein has pointed out that google alone could determine the outcome of almost any american election just by altering its search supgts. we'd never know what happened. oh, say tech defenders don't worry, these are businesses, they exist to make money not push plirt cal agendas. turns out that's not true and woe can prove it. an e-mail obtained excusively by this show revealed that a senior google employee deployed the company resources to increase

voter turnout in ways she believed would help the clinton campaign win in the last election. the e-mail came from a woman named eliono mario, the head of the multi cultural marketing department. she sent it one day after the president election. that e-mail was subsequently forwarded by two google vice presidents to more staff members throughout the company. in her e-mail, she touts google's multi facetted efforts to boost hispanic turnout. latinos voted in record-breaking numbers especially in florida, nevada, and arizona of the last of which she describes as, quote, a key state for us. she brags that the company used its power to ensure that millions of people saw certain hash tags and social media impressions with the goal of influencing their behavior during the election. elsewhere in the e-mail, she says google, quote, supported partners like voto latino to pay for rides to the polls in key

states. she describes this assistant as the silent donation. she then says google helped voto latino ad campaigns to promote the rides. officially it is a nonpartisan entity but that's a sham. it is vocally partisan. recently the group declared that hispanics all hispanics are in president trump's, quote, crosshairs. they said they plan to respond by registering another million hispanic voters in the next presidential cycle. voto latino has clear political goals, goals that google supported in 2016. we ask both google and voto latino for clarification, what did she mean by a silent donation. this is a potentially significant legal question. neither company responded to us. at the end of her e-mail she makes it clear that google was working to get hillary clinton elected. this wasn't a get out the vote effort, whatever they say, it

was not aimed at all potential voters. it wasn't even aimed at a balanced cross section of sub groups. google didn't try to get out the vote among christian arabs in michigan or persian jews in los angeles, they sometimes vote republican. it was aimed only at one group, a group that google cynically assumed would vote exclusively for the democratic party. furthermore this mobilization effort targeted not the entire country but swing states vital to the hillary campaign. it was not an exercise that civics, it was political consulting, an in-kind contribution to the hillary clinton for president campaign. in the end google was disappointed as mario conceded, quote, ultimately after all was said and done the latino community came of the to vote and completely surprised us. we never anticipated that 29% of latinos would vote for trump. no one did f you see a laene tino googler in the office give them a smile, they're probably hurting right now. you can rest assured that the will tinos of these blue states

need your thoughts and prayers for them and their families. i had planned a vacation and thought i would be taking the time to celebrate. now it will be time to reflect on how to continue to support my community through these difficult times, end quote. nobody at the dnc was more upset by the results than mario. google tried to get hillary elected, they failed this time. we reached out to google, the company did not deny the e-mail was real or showed a clear political preference. their only defense was the activities it described were nonpartisan or weren't taken officially by the company. but of course they were both. plenty of people in google knew what was going on and we've seen no evidence that anyone at google disapproved of it or tried to reign it in. -- rein it in. google is more powerful two years later and the left has increasingly become radical in what it's willing to do to regame political power. what could google be doing this election cycle to support its

candidates? what can they do in 2020? a question almost nobody with a seems interested in even asking. they ought to be interested. mark steyn is an author and columnist, he joins us of the outlines are clear, google is the most powerful company in the world, they have a choke hold on human information, they can clearly guide the outcome of the election if they chose to do so. they tried to influence the last election. why shouldn't we be deeply concerned about this? >> we should be deeply concerned. as you said, russia, everyone goes bananas about they bought 100 grand worth of facebook ads. google is already more powerful in terms of its control over people's lives than almost every government on the planet. i would say arguably, it has more control over american lives than, say, the government of russia does as a practical matter. people are very naive about

google searchs, they think it doesn't -- whether you're in a hotel in des moines or whether you're hanging upside down in your bondage dunn jan? poughkeepsie, when you enter the search results everything is the same. as this lady mario has explained, they're capable of targeting election content, specifically to certain voting groups. so this isn't like, you know, rock the vote or public attempts to get out the vote. this is where the world's most powerful company is using data mining to channel election, be partisan election information to key voting dem graph yibs. -- demographics. they would steal the election and you'd never know it. >> tucker: well, what is interesting to me is the left has been very agitated for the past six or seven years about citizens united and the

influence of money on politics. i don't think all of their concerns are stupid by the way. but this is the example, the most powerful influenceer of elections potentially the world has ever known. i don't think i've heard a single liberal say anything about google's effect on elections, subverting our democracy, why is that? >> i think for the obvious reason that they're doing it for, as mario would say, for our side, for our team, for the left's team, for liberalism's team. and that's very different n a sense there's something quaintly old fashioned about the citizens. jeb bush blew $100 million to get to 2.4% in iowa, the old-fashioned way, sticking up billboards, making robo calls. what if you had a monopoly on people's access to information, and without them even knowing about it, just when they happen

to open up their phone or their laptop in the morning, you were able to direct them to your candidate without anybody knowing it. that is far more important, that's far more scary. the implications are absolutely terrible. and this memo is absolutely terrible in what it reveals about google. the silent low donation bit is very interesting. as you said, has legal implications. whatever legal implications they are, they're a lot more solid than whether some guy paid off some porn star just to take a random example. >> tucker: i hope our elected officials pay attention to this. mark, we'll see you later in the show, thank you very much. >> thank, tucker. >> tucker: google of course is one of several big tech monopolies, not the only one worth worrying about. amazon if you can believe it, even larger company than google, despite being worth a trillion dollars many of the half a million employees live in poverty. shannon allen is one of them,

amazon employee who says she's been living out of her car. she joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. how can you work for the richest man in the world and live out of your car? it doesn't make sense. >> thank you for having me. what happened was, when they first -- when i first got injured, i went on medical leave, three weeks after my injury. and the checks were delayed coming in. and then after the checks started coming in, they hurried up through my process of me being injured, and sent me back to work early. so then that took some time to work and get hours in, to where i got a paycheck from amazon again. and when i was reinjured, i went back out on medical leave in january. >> tucker: to be clear, you were injured on the job, you say, and then you wound up living in your car. >> yes.

i started living in my car several months ago because of nonpayment from the workers comp and from amazon. >> tucker: so we spoke to amazon and we should say in the interest of fairness, that they say they offered you a lump sum cash payment. is that true? >> they did. they did offer me $3,500, after of the first year you are offered $2,000 to quit and then they offered me an extra $1,500 in cobra payments for my medical injury that i still have. and i declined that offer, because you have to sign a nondisclosure agreement which also means that you can't talk about the inside workings of amazon, you can't talk about how much money you received, or you can't sue them, you can't collect unemployment and you

can't use your first amendment right to speak out about any type of experience you had at amazon. and my first amendment right is worth more than $3,500. >> tucker: we're glad you're here telling us about it. so, again, just for the viewers tuning in, you are an employee of amazon, one of the biggest companies in the world, trillion dollar market cap, living in your car. your story can't be the average story. do you know other amazon employees who are in effect in poverty? >> i actually do. i had a guy from madrid, spain contact me on twitter and sent me a video telling me that he is in the exact same position, that he was injured at amazon and then terminated from his job and he is now homeless also. there's also other employees, right in texas at the same facility that i work at, that are also having a hard time making ends meet. when workers comp wants to pay

$7 or amazon wants to pay you $7 a week, we can't make it on $7 a week. >> tucker: hmm. >> and i want the workers to come forward. if they have any questions or comments or want to contact me, i want them to come forward and contact me. >> tucker: we're interested in hearing from them as well. it seems odd one of the richest companies in the world run by one of the richest owners in the world, would have employees living in their cars. shannon, thank you. >> thank you. >> tucker: good to talk to you. democrats have finally discovered a message going to the 2018 mid terms, vote for us or you will die. not too far off, actually. we'll speak to one democratic consultant about whether that will work.

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>> tucker: it's taken time and probably focus groups but democrats are coalescing around a message for the 2018 mid terms. vote for us or else.

the summer congresswoman maxine watters urged her supporters to harass tremp officials in public. >> anybody from that cabinet, if you see them in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station you get out and you draw a crowd, and you tell them they're not welcome. >> tucker: but that was too moderate. this weekend watters doubled down, saying she threatens trump supporters all the time. >> of course the lying president said that i had threatened all of his con stit wenlts. i did not threaten his constituents, his supporters. i do that you will the time but i didn't do it that time. [laughing] >> tucker: i do it all the time. she gets points for directness. not all democrats say that outloud. some are taking an expansive

view. vote for us or the world will end. >> frankly our democracy is on the ballot. this is not simply an election about right versus left. this is an election of right versus wrong. >> this is a enquinn constitutional crisis. >> i'm here to deliver a simple message, and that is what you need to vote because our democracy depends on it. >> tucker: some sad media figures like karl bernstein cheer on apocalyptic messages. >> it's time for the republicans to say the trump presidency is a national emergency. and it is up to us, both parties, to treat the trump presidency as a national emergency. >> tucker: all buffoons on parade. we have the former press secretary for the democratic policy committee. thanks for coming on, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i kind of, you know, some one who's interested in

words and ideas and messages, i've been waiting with bated breath to find out what they're going to run on, what is the idea. and it's the kind of mafia stand by, vote for us or else. is that going to work? >> you have senior officials writing op eds in the "new york times" saying they're trying to protect our democracy. this notion that you're hearing from kerry or obama that our democracy is on the ballot, it's not rooted in fear, it's rooted in fact. >> tucker: so, do you find it, i mean just since i'm connoisseur of irony, i'm going to ask you if you perceive this, too, the people who say they're concerned about our, quote, democracy are the ones saying that trump should be removed from office without an election. do you see any kind of contradiction there? >> well, here's the thing. the mainstream democrats aren't really toting this impeachment message. you hear maxine watters -- >> tucker: not the impeachment, 295th amendment, the idea -- impeachment is a process,

there's a trial, the senate can convict. which i think, you know, is constitutional, it's legitimate. but the cabinet can come together and say you can't be president. is that, is that a democratic impulse calling for something like that? >> clearly it's not a democratic impulse when you have senior white house officials under republican president being the ones that are talking about the 25th amendment. i don't think that's it. but let's talk about fear-mongering for a second. >> tucker: hold on, let me just say it's not partisan, tons of republicans in washington who dislike democracy as much as the democrats do. i'm certainly not blaming the democrats. a lot of -- >> i don't think they dislike democracy. >> tucker: what do you think of the idea that the cabinet, a group of unelected people can say i don't think he should be president and depose the president. are you comfortable with that? >> it's in the constitution, we can't change the constitution, it's in our constitution. >> tucker: okay, sure it is. i guess, sort of, not exactly clear. but -- >> it is.

>> tucker: it's not, it's never been tried. it's not clear what the criteria for removal is. let me get to the deeper point, do you think that's a democratic thing to want, a bunch of unelected people can decide that some one is no longer president. that's not democracy, constitutional or not. >> if you have senior white house officials, i don't necessarily agree with what's being done, i think this person is not a hero that wrote this op ed, i think if they want to come forward they need to do that instead of hiding behind the cape and mask of the "new york times." they need to come forward. but there is a process to use when it comes to the 25th amendment. and impeachment. >> tucker: do you think that if karl bernstein doesn't like you, that you should be allowed to be president? it comes down to that. >> if american people vote, then whoever wins the presidency, that is the person that is going to be president. >> tucker: oh, there you go, we're back to democracy, i'm for that. >> right, most of us are. but when you talk -- >> tucker: i thought that.

>> when you're talking about fear-mongeri fear-mongering, i was listening to the tape, the sound you had, people were saying apocalyptic. it is president trump that said that there is going to be violence in the streets of america if the republicans do not win the mid terms. the stock market is going to crash. everyone is going to be poor. so if we're really talking about fear-mongering, the biggest fear mongerer is donald trump. >> tucker: well, i think, wasn't he predicting -- i don't think any president should predict the stock mast, i agree with you on that. but i don't think the president was saying republicans were going to hurt anybody. it's pretty much democrats that create violence. i noticed -- >> donald trump -- >> tucker: hition people in the face with bike locks. >> do i remember seeing people being punched in the face at trump rallies. i remember him saying he was going to pay their legal fees. that i do remember. >> tucker: huh, all right,

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>> tucker: the public god willing could soon see some of the vital document, the most vital documents in the russia investigation. republicans on capitol hill believe that this week president trump could declassify the entirety of carter page's fisa applications as well as records of conversation between d.o.j. official bruce ohr and the fbi. if this happened, if the documents are declassified, they could have a huge effect on how the public views the russia investigation. for detail on this, the man we trust on the topic is byron

york, chief political correspondent for the washington examiner, he joins us tonight. give us a quick overview of what the president is considering declassifying, whether you think he will, and if he does what we're likely to learn from the documents. >> well, it does appear that he is likely to do. that the first thing that everyone mentions is essentially the rest of the carter page fisa application. remember, some of it was declassified and released. we all knew there were large parts of it that were blacked out. republicans have said why don't you just declassify the whole thing. if you don't want to do that here's about 20 pages we would like to see you declassify. the thinking is, that the president will probably declassify those 20 or so pages that he's been requested to do. now, the question then, of course, is what's in it. and i'm told it would amy to something that -- would apply to something that we saw james comey say earlier this year, he was on special president talking

to brett baier, he said wasn't this information used to get a warrant on carter page. james comey said it was part of a broader mosaic of facts that were lald before the judge. i'm told this would give more explanation, what did the fbi use to get this warrant. >> tucker: is the suggestion or your belief that we're going to find when the joke clears and we see the evidence -- when the smoke clears, that the dossier played a central role in getting to spy on carter page? >> that's what people who have looked at this have said. remember, we have the so-called nunes memo, from the house intelligence equipment i, from republicans, they say it played a central role. acting completely separately, republicans on the senate judiciary committee also said that it played a central role.

said it made up the bulk of the application. you know, i think that's pretty much a confirmed fact, it was a big part. on the other hand, there was other stuff, we know that the application mentioned carter page's history heeshs had been -- there was an attempt to recruit him by russians a few years earlier. that was in the application. so we don't know what's in the rest and that's what everybody hopes, this declassification might bring us. >> tucker: yep. the obama administration used hillary clinton campaign documents to justify spying on hillary's opponent, that's what we may learn. byron york, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: last week on this program we raised an important question, maybe the most important question the country faces. what unites americans as a country. well, at least we're not impressed by this at all, they're attacking us for raising this question. after the break we'll respond.

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centuries the motto of the country was "out of many one" on the official seals of all three branchs of the government. it's been joan graifd on the coins since the end of the revolutionary war. out of many one. a country in which our differences mean less than our common identity as americans. for centurys this was the source of our national strength. then a few decades ago that changed with no vote or acknowledgement, or jettisoned the old motto and adopted the new one, the elites did. diversity is the strength. the new slogan seems to have the opposite motto. the differents they began telling us are the single most important thing bus. the less alike we are the better. now it's possible that is true,

the disunity makes us stronger. what is striking nobody bothered to explain exactly how. on friday night we asked the question, one of our jobs in this show is to ask questions that nobody else is asking. we believe that open debate is our birth right as americans but we also believe it produces wiser conclusion. we did, here's the clip. how precisely is diversity our strength? since you made this our new national motto, be specific as you explain it, can you think for example of other institutions such as, i don't know, marriage or military units, in which the less people have in common the more cohesive they are. do you get along benter with your neighbors or co-workers if you can't understand each other? or share no common values? well, it seems like obvious question to us and long-overdue. what rather than us the left called us names and tried to shut us up. you're racist they screamed as if that's a response rather than

a tactic. keep in mind this show has argued consistently and persistently for almost two years that people should never be punished or rewarded on the basis of their skin color. unlike the left we don't believe your dna is the most important thing about you. each of us is an individual not a faceless member of a herd. we abhor defining people by race. that's one of the reasons we're not liberals. maybe we're being too literal. they don't think we're racist and probably wouldn't care the we were. al sharpton is in good standing. none of this is about race at all. they're trying to silence us, they don't want to answer the question. they don't want to answer it because they don't have an answer to it. think about that. america is a country the size of a continue in any event with 325 million people in it. what holds all of that together, what is glue? it doesn't need to be ethnicity

or religion but it needs to be something. countries don't remain united without a reason. what's ours? you think our elites would be staying up late thinking about. that they're not, they haven't given it a thought and they don't want you to either. diversity is our strength. it is ined a "response from inadequate leadership class. they fan the flames of mindless tribalism, division helps them maintain power even as it destroys our country. they have no interest in national unity, they have no interest in the nation state itself, that's a barrier to advancement. there are a lot of people including us who still care about america the nation and it's worth thinking about why we are still a country. what do we all have in common? what do we all believe? what is the american idea? we're going to explore that in the coming webs and months, we think it's worth it. we'll start with christopher harris, from unhyphenated america, he saw the segment and asked us to talk about it.

christopher, thanks for coming out tonight. >> thank you, tucker. good to talk to you again. >> tucker: so the response that we got, i don't want to belabor it or whine about it, the response was telling from the left when we asked on friday night is it really true this new national slogan, is it true that the less we have in common the stronger that we are. out of that, thinking about that, raised the question what is it that unites us as a country? why are we a country? >> well, i have to go back to my foundational roots as a christian and say fall himself 133, says behold how good and pleasant it is for brethren to gather together in unit, from psalms. we're not a christian nation but we have foundational principles based in judeowe-christian morality. we had to come together as one. you had to bring the 13 colonies together and have something that was going to unite us. that's what we came together with the declaration of independence, and the

constitution, built oh the frame work of the declaration of independent evens, made it clear we are all human beings, created with certain unalienable rights. that's what binds us together, is the idea, the principle of unalienable rights. when you decide to be anything other than an american and unhyphenated american, are you talking about disunity. there's nothing beautiful about that. >> tucker: well, i couldn't agree with you more. i just wonder why the people who have benefitted the most from our society, the people who went to princeton and have cable shows, making $100 million in private equity, have a stake in the country and ought to be grateful, are so unconcerned, it seems, to me, with what might hold the country together going forward. shouldn't they be the stewards of our country, shouldn't they be working to unite us rather than divide us? they aren't, why? >> there's powers that be that benefit from this disharmony, that they're looking to break

things up. as a christian, i know there is an enemy out there who wants to divide us that, what is he seeks to do is divide. the united states is a beacon of light to the rest of the world. people come from all over the world to be americans, to embrace the american idea, of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. there's always people who oppose that idea, just the reality of the world. but when you look around and i had a conversation in the green room with sarah carter, interesting conversation about the fact her family came from cuba and they did not come here, she was saying her mother isn't come here to proudly wave the cuban flag, she came across the 90 miles from cuba to be an american. and that's what people come here to do is to be an american. what we've always done, tucker, until recently. >> tucker: we've asked people to adopt american value when is they arrive and when we stopped doing this, i'm worried. i don't think this will be our last conversation on this topic,

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tb well, sings history -- >> tucker: history has been outlawed by the american left, robert mueller is not the first special counsel to dominate american political life. it was 20 years ago this fall, right now, that impeachment proceedings began against then-president bill clinton, based on the findings of kenneth

starr's special investigation into bill clinton. for 20 years starr has not revealed his full thoughts, but now he is. he has a new book out, it is called "contempt" a memoir of the clinton investigation. ken starr joins us. really glad to have you, thank you for coming on. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> tucker: so, you of course ran a special counsel investigation, watching one now inning progress. have your views on the existence of a special counsel changed? and are you impressed by what mr. mueller appears to be doing? >> well, my views haven't changed, there is a need for this mechanism. my views have hat changed, and i recount this in the book, in some detame, the independent counsel stance was the wrong way to go. we want honesty in government, that's in theory what it's all b i do applaud bob mueller for bringing the indictments against the russian individuals and organizations, those are powerful indictments. they're getting to the heart of

what happened now, almost two years ago. but i also say this, those indictments do not read about collusion. they read about un rattal action by russian operatives. i have serious doubt there was an effect, we're a big can untry, we are a country that's a vibrant, robust democracy, so -- in reading some of the ads i thought they were sort of pathetic and stupid. >> tucker: they were pathetic and stupid. you write one of the reasons we have a special counsel statute is to reassure the president that our institutions are on the level. so, i mean, that's part of the function is to make people realize, make them believe justice is impartial and deliver impar nshl justice, in fact. with that in mind are you comfortable that mueller has hired partisan democrats? >> no, i'm not, tucker. i have great confidence in bob mule areas a person -- mueller

as a person. i'm in the school that he is a good and decent man, semper fi. in the book i try to make the point, and i do make the point, that when there are these kinds of charges or concerns about partisanship, the special counsel needs to respond to those. i tell the story of why it is that we built in guard rails to make sure there could be no fair and objective attack that the investigation was partisan. of course the attacks came, but the attacks were very ill-founded, and i think that was part of what bob mueller was obligated to do. so i do have concerns about the people around him. >> tucker: yeah, well i think those are well placed. two quick things about your book. first, you say you came close to charging hill with perjury, she said i don't know or can't recall in your interview, clearly she was lying. why didn't you charge her? >> you have to be able to prove the case. as i made clear in the book

there are clear differences, tucker, between what a prosecutor knows and what the prosecutor can prove. so we were following justice department policy. we knew we had to prove the case, each element of the case beyond a reasonable doubt. we came to the view after looking at an elaborate draft indictment, supported prosecution memo, that as i describe in the book, we decided we just did not have the evidence to bring those charges. >> tucker: quickly, this jumped out at me, you said you were haunted by the vince foster case, his death in washington during the early part of the clinton first term. why? >> as i describe in the book, we were trying to get to the bottom of among other things how hillary clinton's billing records at the law firm mysteriously disappeared which was theft from the rose law firm. and then mysteriously reappeared, in the book room where hillary was writing aing boo.

how did that happen? how did records, in the preelectronic records day, wend their way, not just out of the rose law firm offices in littling ro, arkansas, but to the private residence of the president and the first lady. my -- i was haunted by what did vince foster do as the deputy counsel to the president, he took his own life. we knew that he was depressed, we had very significant evidence that he was clinically depressed. why was he clinically depressed? complex question but that's why i was haupted, why did this successful, bright lawyer take his own life within six months of the administration taking power. and that haunts me to this day. >> tucker: yeah, well you aren't the only one, for sure. ken starr, great to see you after all these years. >> thanks, tucker, appreciate you having me on. >> tucker: of course. mark steyn, right after the break, to talk about what is in ken starr's book and whatever

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gets more good press than ken starr did. he's the most jeanial fellow, the boyish smile, he gets on with everybody. people pour the bucket of mud over him day after day for years. and when you scraped it off he's like he was just now, beaming, ken starr, same as always taking it. i don't think it was a good idea. i don't think the idea of an independent counsel is a good idea. but i think ken starr's point is more important, that the bargain, the democrats made with clinton corruption, back in the '90s was not in the interests of american public service. but actually not in the interest of the democrat party either. you know, it always worked out well for the clintons. after impeachment, hillary got a senate seat in a state she had never lived in. while poor old al gore couldn't even get dragged along the finish -- over the finish line

in the presidential election. the clintons worked out for the clintons and nobody else. >> tucker: doesn't it, we only have a minute left and this is a deep question, but it did work out, they skated on everything, beat a bunch of legal charges and got incredibly rich. why aren't they happy? they're clearly so unhappy, why? >> because i think it's never enough. the whole point of them is just to get rich and richer and keep winning. bob smith who was my senator in new ham of shir at the time -- ham shir, he said he's won, he always wins, let's move o suddenly, they didn't win. and they can't stand it. and they want to keep coming back whether it's hillary or chelsea or whoever is next. it's the winning, it's the money, it's never enough. >> tucker: no, it never is. you think maybe you get on a certain age you get rich enough you would be happy. it's eluded them. great to see you, as always. >> thanks, tucker.

>> tucker: amazingly we're out of time. see you tomorrow, the show that's the sworn enemy and we mean it of lying, pomposity, smugness, and especially group think. if you thought that was great, sean hannity, live from new york, right now. espn what a great introduction. welcome to hannity. let's be blunt. >> sean: 57 days from today if nancy pelosi, maxine watters, chuck schumer take over the house, the seng at, this is what you can expect to look at in terms of what's going to happen to your country. >> maxine, they say please don't say impeachment any more. when they say that. i say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. >> sean: let tonight be a clear warning, with just two months to go until the single most important mid-term election of our lifetime, you have the power. you will deside whether or not maxine pat terse, nancy pelosi get their way.