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hack democratic party email accounts. now let'ss assume that all these deeply worried people are sincere. that they really care about the integrity of our democracy. then, why has almost nobody said about the tech monopolies thatt now dominate te exchange of information in this country? if a few dozen facebook ads are enough to subvert an election, shouldn't we be worried about facebook itself, which controls literally billions of ads? a couple of times on my show,ti social scientist robert epstein has pointed out that google alone can't determine the o outcome of almost any american election, just by altering its searches says our students. we would never know it happened. oh, say tech defenders, don't worry, these are businesses, they exist to make money, not td push political agendas. it turns out that is not true. we can prove it. and email it email appeared exclusively by this show reveals that a senior google employee dd thee company's resources to increase voter turnout in ways

that she believed would help the clinton campaign win in the last election. the email we obtained came fromw a woman named eliana moreno, ths multicultural marketing department. she sent the email on november 9th, 2016, 1 day after the presidential election. that email was subsequently forwarded by terrible google vice president's to more staff members throughout the company. in her email, she touts google's multifaceted efforts to boost hispanic turnout in the election. she notes that the latinos voted in record breaking numbers especially in states like florida, nevada, and arizona. the last of which she describes as "a key state for us." she breaks that the company used its power to ensure that millions of people saw certain hashtags in social media impressions with the goal of influencing their behavior during the election. elsewhere in the email, she says google "supported partners like voter latino to pay for a ride to the polls in key states."

she describes this assistance as "a silent donation." she then says that google helped them create ad campaigns to promote those rights. officially, it is a nonpartisan entity but that is a sham. voto latino is vocally partisan. recently the group declared that hispanics, all hispanics, are in president trump's "cross hairs." he planned to respond to this by registering other million additional hispanic voters in the next presidential cycle. voto latino is a group with clear political goals, goals that google supported in 2016. we asked both google and voto latino for clarification, what exactly did she mean by "a silent donation"?s this is a potentially significant legal question. neithered company responded to . at the e end of her email, she makes it clear that google was working to get hillary clinton elected. this wasn't a get out the vote efforts, whatever they say, it was not aimed at all potential

voters. it wasn't even angered that balancesu cross-section of subgroups. google didn't try to get out the group among christian arabs in michigan or persian in los angeles. they sometimeses what a republican. ed was named only only at one group, a group that google cynically assumed would vote onlyty for the democratic party. furthermore, this mobilization targeted not only the entire country but swing states vital to the hillary campaign. this is not an exercise in civics, this was a political consulting. this was in effect and in-kind contribution to the hillary clinton for president campaign. in the end, google was disappointed. as she conceded, "ultimately, after all wasy said and done, te latino community did come out to vote and completely surprised us.at we never anticipated that once again percent of latinos would t vote for trump. no one dared to. if you see a latino google or any office, please give them a smile. they are probably hurting right now. you can rest assured that the latinos of these blue states

need your thoughts and prayers, for them and their families. i had planned a vacation i thought it would be to give us time to celebrate. now it will be time to reflect on how to support our community through this difficult time."gh nobody at the dnc was more upset by the results then she was. google tried to get hillary elected, they failed, this time. we reached out to google. the company did not deny the email was real, or it showed a clear politicalce preference. their only defense was that the activity it described were either nonpartisan or weren't officially by the company. but of course they were both. plenty of people in google knew what was going on and we have seen no evidence that anyone at google disapproved of it or try to rein it in. two years later, google is more powerful than it's ever been and the left has increasingly become radical in what it is willing to do to regain political power. what could google be doing this election cycle to support that supported candidates? what could they do in 2020?

is a question nobody in washington seems interested in even asking. they ought to be interested. mark steyn is an author and columnist. he joins us tonight. markham of the outlines of us are really clear. google is the most powerful company in the history of the world, they were choke hold on all human information, they can clearly guide the outcome of an election if they chose to do so. they tried to influence the last election. why shouldn't we be concerned about this? >> we should be deeply concerned. as you said, russia, everybody goes bananas about because they bought 100 grand for the facebook ads or whatever it was. google is already more powerful in terms of its control over people's lives than almost every government on the planet. i would say arguably, it has more control over american lives than say the government of russia does, as a practical matter. people are very naive about google searches. they think that it -- whether

you are in a hotel in des moines or whether you are hanging upside down in your bondage dungeon in poughkeepsie, when you enter the search results, everything is the same. as this lady has explained, they are actually capable of targeting election content specifically to search and voting groups. so this isn't like, you know, rock the vote or public attempts to get outhe the vote. this is where the world's most powerful company is using data mining to channel election, intro partisan election information to keep voting demographics. that is very disturbing because they steal the election and he would never know it. >> tucker: what is so interesting as the left has been very agitated for the past six s united, the importance of money

in politics. i don't think all of their concernsns are stupid, by the wt but this is the example, the most powerful influence of elections, potentially, the world has ever known, and i don't think i've ever heard a single liberal say anything about google's affect on elections, subverting our democracy. why is that? >> for the obvious reason that they are doing it for, as she would say, for our side, for our team, for the lefts team, for liberalism teams. and that is very different. in essence, there is something quaintly old-fashioned about citizens united. jeb bush blue $100 million to get to 2.4% and iowa. the old-fashioned way by sticking up billboards and making robo calls and all the it. of what if you had a monopoly on people's access to information and without them even knowing about it, just when they happen to open up their phone or their

laptop in the morning, you were able to direct them to your candidate without anybody knowing at? that is far more important, that is far more scary. the implications are absolutely terrible, and this memo is absolutely terrible in what it reveals about google. the silent donation but it's very interesting because, as you said, has legal implications. whatever legal implications they are, they are a lot more solid and whether some guy has paid off some porn star, just take a random afresh example. >> tucker: i hope our elected officials will pay attention to ryrythis. we'll see you later in the show. google of course is one of several big tech monopolies and not the only one worth worrying about. amazon, if you can believe it, and even larger company then google despite being worth $1 trillion, many of its half a million employees live in poverty. shannon allen is one of them.

she's been living out of her car. she joined us tonight. shannon, thank you very much for coming on. how can you work for the richest man in the world and to live out of your car? it doesn't make any sense. >> what happened was, when i first got injured, i went on medical leave three weeks after my. injury, and the checks were delayed coming in. and then after the checks started coming in, they hurried up through my process of me being injured and sent me back to work early. so then that took some time to work and get some hours into where i got a paycheck from amazon again. when i was reinjured, i went back on medical leave in januar january. >> tucker: and just to be clear, you were injured on the job, you say, and then you wind up living in your car. >> yes. i started living in my car

several months ago because of nonpayment from the workers comp and from amazon. >> tucker: so we spoke to amazon, and we should say in the interest of fairness, that they say that they offered you a lump sum cash payment. is that true? >> they did offered me $3500 after the first year, you are for $2,000 to quit, and then they offered me an extra $1500 in cobra payments for my medical injury that i still have. i declined that offer because you have to sign a nondisclosure agreement, which also means that you can't talk about the inside workings of amazon, you can't talk about how much money youre have received, or you can't sue them, you can't collect unemployment, and you can't use your first amendment right to

speak out about any type of experience you have had an amazon. my first amendment right is worth more than $3500. >> tucker: we are glad to hear her telling us about this. so just for our viewers turn again, you were an employee of amazon, one of the biggest companies, trillion dollar market cap, and you are living in your car. your story can't be the average story but do you know other amazon employees that are in fact in property? >> actually i do. i had a guy from madrid, spain, contact me on twitter and let me -- send me a video, telling me that he is in the exact sames injured in an amazon, and terminated from his job and he is now homeless also. there is also other employees in texas at the same facility that i work at that are also having a hard time making ends meet. when workers comp wants to pay

$7, or amazon wants to pay you $7 a week, we can't make it on $7 a week. >> tucker: i want to thank you -- >> i want the workers to come forward, if they have any questions or comments or want to contact me, i want them to come forward and contact me. >> tucker: we are interested in hearing from them as well. we are interested in the story. it does seem odd that one of the richest companies in the world run by the richest man in the world who advocates for socialism at taxpayer expense would have employees living in their car. she and then, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> tucker: get to talk to you. democrats have finally discovered a message going to the 2018 midterms: vote for usor or you will die. [laughs] it's not too far actually. we'll speak to one democratic consultant about whether that will work. stay tuned. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: well, it's taken some time and probably some focus groups but democrats are finally c coalescing around a message for the 2018 midterms: vote for as or else.

this summer, congress and when maxine waters urged her supporters to harass trump officials if they dare to appean public. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, and a department store, add a gasoline station, you get out and s do you create a crowd, and you tell them they are not welcome. >> tucker: but that was too moderate, so this weekend, she double down saying she threatens trump supporters all the time. >> under course, the lying president so that i had brightened all of its constituents. i did not threaten his constituents, his supporters. i do that all the time but i didn't do it that time. >> tucker: [laughs] "i do it all the time." she gets points for directness. not all democrats are saying that out loud. some are taking a more expansive view. vote for us or the world will

end.. >> frankly, our democracy is on the ballot because this is not simply an election about right versus left. this is an election about right versus wrong. this is a genuine constitutional crisis. >>er i'm here to deliver a simpe message, and that is that you need to vote because our democracy depends on it. >> tucker: some sad media figures like carl bernstein are cheering on anna popovic warnings as a valid political message. watch. >> it is time for the republicans to say that the trump residency is a nationalnc emergency. it is up to us can move both parties, to treat the trump presidency as a national emergency. >> tucker: buffoons on parade. a former press secretary for the house democratic policy and communications committee joins us tonight. thank you so much foror coming . i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me, tucker. >> tucker: as someone who's interested in words and ideas and messages, i have been

waiting with baited breath to find out watch while they run on? what is the idea, and that is the standby, vote for us or else? will that work? >> you have senior officials writing up ads in "the new york times" saying that they are trying to protect our democracy. so this notion that you are hearing from john kerry or obama, that our democracy is on the ballot, it is not rooted in fear, it's rooted in fact. >> tucker: do you find it -- just i will ask you if you perceive this, that the people who say that they are concerned our democracy are the ones saying that trump should be removed from office without an election. do you see any kind of contradiction there? >> here's the thing. the mainstream democrats are not really toting this impeachment passage. i think that is what you are getting at. here maxine waters -- >> tucker: no, not the impeachment. the 25th amendment. impeachment is a process, there's a trial, the senate can

convict, which i think it is constitutional, it's legitimate, personally. the idea that the cabinet can come together and just decide you can't be president, is that a democratic impulse, do you think, calling for that? >> clearly it's not a democratic process when you hear the republican congress talking about the 25th amendment. let's talk about fearmongering -- >> tucker: let me just to say, it's not a part of something. there are tons of republicans in washington who disliked democracy as much of the democrats do. i'm not blaming just the democrats. a lot of republicans -- >> i don't think they dislike democracy. >> tucker: what you think of the idea that the cabinet, a group of unelected people, could say, i don't think you should be president and oppose thet. president? are you comfortable with that?co >> is in the constitution. we can't change the constitution. >> tucker: would you say -- sure, it is, i guess. is not exactly -- >> it is. >> tucker: it's not.

it is but it is not clear what the criteria for removal -- let me get to the deeper point. do you think that that is a democratic thing to want, that a bunch of unelected people can just decide that somebody is no longer president? that is not democracy, is it, it constitutional or not? >> if you have senior white house officials -- i don't necessarily agree with what is being done. i think this person is not a hero that wrote this op-ed. i think if they want to come forward, they need to do that instead of hiding behind the keypad mask of "the new york times." i do think you need to come forward by it but there is a process to use when it comes to the 25th amendment, and impeachment. >> tucker: do you think of carl bernstein doesn't like you, that you should be allowed to be president? i think it kind of comes down to that. >> if american people vote, then whoever is winning the presidency, that is a prisoner is going tore be president. >> tucker: there you go -- ! we are back to democracy.

when you're talking about fearmongering, i was listening to some of the tape, the sound that you had playing, and people were saying apocalyptic -- let's remember that it is president trump that said that there is going to be violence ie the streets of america if the republicans dons not win the midterms. the stock market is going to crash. everybody is goingne to be poor. so if we are really talking about fearmongering, the biggest fearmongering is donald trump. >> tucker: looks, i don't think any president should predict a stock market him ihe agree with you on that actually. i don't think the president was saying republicans are going to hurt anyone. it is exclusively democrats that commit political violence. i've been watching pretty closely. i notice mostly -- >> donald trump is the one that talks about -- >> tucker: hitching people in the face with my clocks recentl? >> i do remember people being punched in the face at trump rallies and i do remember him saying that he would pay their legal fees. that i do remember. >> tucker: all right.

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political correspondent for the "washington examiner," and he joins us tonight. give us a quick overview of what the president is considering declassified, whether you think he will, and if he does, what we are likely to learn from these documents. >> it does appear that he is likely to do that. the first thing that everyone mentions is essentially the rest of thees carter page fisa application. remember, some of it was declassified and released. we all knew that there were large parts of it that were blacked out. republicans have said, why don't you just declassify thee whole thing. if you don't want to y do that, here is about 20 pages we woulde like to see you declassify. so the thinking is, that the president will probably declassify those 20 or so pages that he's been requested to do. the question then of course is, what's in it. i am told it would apply to something that we saw james comey come of the fired fbi director, say earlier this year. he was on special report talking to bret baier about those

and bret asked, wasn't the dossier used in this application to get a warrant on carter page, james comey answered, my recollection was it was part of a broader mosaic of facts that were laid before the fisa judge. i'm told that these pages were tell us a little bit more about the broader mosaic. what else did the fbi used to get this warrant. >> tucker: is the address shown, or is it your belief that we will find, when the smoke clears and we see the evidence, that the dossier played a central role in getting permission to spy on carter page? >> that is certainly what people who have looked at this have said. and remember, we have the so-called new naz memo, the report from the house intelligence committee, fromnt republicans on that, they said it played a central role, but tn acting completely separately, republicans on the senate judiciary committee also said

that it played a central role, said it made up the bulk of the application.ap so i think of that is pretty much a confirmed fact, that it was a big part. on the other hand, there was other stuff. we know that the application mentioned carter page's history. he had been attempted -- there was an attempt by some russianst to recruit him a few years earlier. that was in the application. we don't know what is an arrest. that is what everybody hopes this declassification may bring us. >> tucker: yep. the obama administration used hillary clinton campaign documents to justify spying on hillary's opponent. that isll what we may learn. byron york, thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: last week on this program, we raised an importante question, may be the most important question the country faces. what unites americans as a country? well, elites were not impressed by this at all. they are attacking us for raisingth this question. after the break, we all respond. ♪

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♪ >> tucker: for more than two centuries, the motto of this country was e pluribus unum, out of many one. that phrase is on the official seals of all three branches of ouree government. theer presidency, the congress, the supreme court. it's been engraved in our coins since the end of the revolutionary war. "out of many one," the country in which our differences mean less than our common identity as americans. for centuries, this was a source of our national strength. then a few decades ago, that changed played with no vote or even an acknowledgment, our leas into the old motto and adopted . "diversity is our strength." the new slogan seem to have the ophthalmic opposite meaning than the one they found her throat. our differences, they begin telling us, are the single most important thing about us. thes less alike we are, the better. it's possible that is true, that .disunity somehow makes us

stronger. what is striking is that nobody has ever bothered to explain exactly how. so on friday night, we asked the question, one of ours jobs in te show was to ask questions that nobody else is asking. we believe that open debate is our birthright as americans but we also believe that it produces visor conclusions. so we did. here's the clip. how precisely his diversity our strength? since you've made this our new national model, please be specific, as you explain it? can you think of other institutions, such as marriage or military units, and which the less people have in common, the more cohesive they are? do you get along better with your neighbors or coworkers if you can't understand each other? or share no common values? >> tucker: does it seem like obvious questions to us and long overdue questions. but rather than answer is, the left calls us names and try to shut us up. "you are racist," they scream, as if that were a response ratherpo than a tactic.

keep in mind this show has argued consistently in peru consistently for almost two years that people should never be punished or rewarded on the basis of their skin color. unlike the left, we don't believe your dna is the most inimportant thing about you. each of us as an individual, not a faceless member of a herd. the up or defining people by race. that is one of the main reasons we are not liberals. but maybe we are being too literal about this. our critics don't really think we are racists, they probably wouldn't care if we were. still aton is progressive and good standing. bigotry obviously is no barrier to entry on the left. none of this is actually about race at all. they are trying to silence us becausee they don't want to answer a question and they don't want to answer because they don't have an answer to it. think about that. america is a country the size of a continent with 325 million people in it. what holds all of that together? what is the glue? it certainly doesn't need to be ethnicity or religion, but it does need to be something.

countries don't remain united without a reason. what is ours? you think our elites would be staying up late thinking about that. they are not. they haven't given it a thought and i don't want you to give it a thought either. "diversity is our strength," they shot. it's an adequate response from an inadequate leadership class. meanwhile, they fan the flames of mindless tribalism. division helps them maintain their power, even as it destroys our country. they have no interest in national unity. they have no interest in the nation-state is the stuff, actually, that is merely a barrier to their advancement. but there are a lot of people including us who still care about america, then each and, and it's worth thinking about cowhy we are still a country. what we all have in common?e what to all believe? what is the american idea? all that in the coming weeks and months because we think it is worth it but we will start tonight with christopher harris. he is the executive director of unknighted america. he saw her segment on friday and called us up and asked to come out and talk about it and we are happy to happen.

thank you for coming tonight. we appreciate it. >> go to talk to. >> tucker: the response we got it, i don't want to belabor it or whine about hundred but the response was so telling from the left when we asked on friday night, is it really true, the new national slogan, that the less we have in common, the stronger that we operate out of that, the question, what is it that unites us as the country? why are we a country? >> i have to go back to my foundational roots as a christian and i have to say, psalms 1:30 three says that the hold how good it is for brethren to gather together in unity. united states does have a christian foundation. we are not a christian nation, theocracy, but we do have our foundationalou principles-based and judeo-christian morality. and so we had to come together as one. we were unified as one. we are to bring those 13 colonies together and you needed to have something that wasto gog to unite us. that is been we came up with the declaration of independence, the constitution, which was built on

the framework of the declaration of independence, that made it clear that we are all human beings created with certain unalienable rights. so that is what binds us together, the idea, the principle of unalienable rights. so when you decided to be anything other than an american, on hyphenated american, you arem talking about is unity. there is nothing beautiful about disunity. >> tucker: i couldn't agree with you more.e. i just wonder why the people who have benefited the most from our society, the people who went to princeton, have cable shows, the people making $100 million in private equity, the people who really have a stake in the country, and ought to be grateful to the country, are so unconcerned, it seems, to me, with one ? told the countrysh together goig forward. shouldn't they be the stewards working to bring us together rather than divide us? >> there are powers that be that benefit from this disharmony, they are looking to break things up. at the end of the day, as a

christian, i know there is an enemy out there who wants to divide us. that is what they seek to do is divide. so the united states is a a bean of light to the rest of the world. people come from all over the world americans, to embrace the american idea of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. so there will always be people who oppose that idea. that is the reality of the worl world. when you look around -- or set d conversation the remote with sara carter, ann interesting fat that her family came from cuba. they didhe not come here. she said her mother did not come here to waive the cuban flight, she came here across the 90 miles from cuba to be an american. and that is what people come here to do is to be an american. that is what we have always done, tucker, until recently. because we have asked people to adopt american values when they arrive and when

we stopped doing that, i'm worried. i don't think this will be our last conversation on this topic. i really appreciate you coming out tonight. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: it's been 20 years, believe it or i not, if you are over shorted, it may shock you. former special counsel ken starr is back in public view, finally revealing his thoughts about bill and hillary clinton, including the perjury charges he considered working against hillary clinton during that tim time. ken starr joins us next. ♪ i can't believe it.

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tb well, sings history -- >> tucker: history has been outlawed by the american left, robert mueller is not the first special counsel >> tucker: since history has finally been outlawed by the american left, we are here to remind you that robert mueller is not the first special counsel to dominate american political life. it was 20 years ago this fall, right now, that impeachment proceedings began against then president bill clinton. they were based on the findings about kenneth starr's

investigation into bill clintono for 20 years, he's not revealed his thoughts about what happened but now he is. he is a new book out. it is called "contempt: a memoir of the clinton investigation." ken starr joins us tonight. thank you very much forr coming on.u, >> thank you, tucker. it's good to be with you. >> tucker: you of course ran a special counsel investigation. you are watching are now in progress. have your views on the existence of a special counsel changed? are you impressed by what mr. mueller appears to be doing? >> my views have not changed that there is a need for this mechanism. my views have not changed that there was -- i recount this in the book in some detail. the independent counsel's statute, tucker, was the wrong way to go. we do want honesty in government, that in theory is what this is about. i do applaud bob mueller for bringing the indictments against the russian individuals in organizations by those very powerful indictments. they get into the heart of what

happened almost two years ago. those indictments do not read about collusion. they read about unilateral action by russian operatives to try to affect our election. i have serious doubt that there wasn't an effect. we are a big country, we are a country that is a very vibrant, robust democracy, and so in reading some of the ads, if thought they were sort of pathetic and stupid. >> tucker: they were pathetic and stupid. you write one of the reasons we have a special counsel statute is to reassure the public that our institutions are on the level. that is part of the function, s to make people -- make them believe that justice is in partial end and in fact deliver impartial justice.e, with that in mind, are you comfortable that mueller has hired exclusively partisan democrats? c >> no. i have great confidence in bob mueller is a person so i am in

the school that bob mueller is a good and decent man. semper fi. but i must say, and the book, i tried to make the point, and did you make the point, that when there are these kinds of charges or concerns about partisanship, the special counsel needs to respond to those, so i tell the story of why it is that we built guardrails to make sure there could be no fair and objective attack that the investigation was partisan. of course, the attacks came. but the attacks were very ill-founded, and i think that was part of what bob mueller was obligated to do. so i do have concerns about the people around him. >> tucker: i think those are well-placed. two quicktw things about your book. first, you say you came close to charging hillary with perjury. she said, i don't know, i can't recall, dozens and dozens of times in your interview. clearly she was lying. why didn't you charge or? >> you have to be able to prove the case. as i've made clear in the book,

there are clear differences, tucker, between what a prosecutor knows, and what the prosecutor can prove. so we were following justice department policy. we knew we had to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, and we came to it, after looking at a very elaborate draft indictment, a supportive prosecution memo, that as i described in the book, we decided we just did not have the evidence to bring those charges. >> tucker: and quickly, this just jumped out at me. you said you were haunted by the vince foster case, his death in washington in the early part of the clinton's first term. why? >> as i described in the book, we were trying to get to the bottom of, among other things, how hillary clinton'sll billing records at the law firm mysteriously disappeared, which was theft, from the rose law firm. and then mysteriously reappeared in the book a room where hillary was writing a book. now how did that happen?

counted records in the preelectronic records day, notn just out of the rose law firm offices in arkansas but to the private residence of thehe president and the first lady? and i was haunted by what did vince foster do as the deputy counsel to the president? he took his own life. we knew that he was depressed we had veryy significant evidene that he was clinically depressed. why was he clinically depressed? complex question but that is why i was haunted. why do this very successful, very bright lawyer take his own lifefe within six months of the administration taking power? that haunts me to this day. >> tucker: yeah, you are not the only one for sure. ken starr, great to see you after all these many years. thank you. >> thanks. i appreciate you having me on. >> tucker: of course. mark steyn right after the break to talk about what is and can starr's book and whatever else he would like to talk about

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>> tucker: ken starr was just on the show f you show. if you are over 19, kind of a big deal. a couple of decades ago ken starr was at the center of every news cycle for years, one of the most polarizing and talked about people at the time, anyway. then he went dark for about two decades and now he's back to remind us of what the clintonsnt were really like. mark steyn was there then and he's here now. what do you make, ken starr is back. and we have another special counsel in progress now, 20 years later. did nobody learn a lesson? >> no, that's true. and bob mueller gets much better

press than ken starr. he has a smile, he gets along with everybody. people pour a bucket of mud over him day after day after day for years. when you scraped it off, it's like he is now, beaming ken starr, takingg it. is don't think it was a good idea. i don't think the idea of an independent counsel is a good idea. ken starr's point is more important. the bargain the democrats made with clinton corruption back in the '90s was not in the interest of american public service, but actually not in the interest of the democrat party either. it always worked out well for the clintons. after impeachment, hillary got a senate seat in a state she never lived in while poor old al gore couldn't get over the finish

line in the presidential election line. >> we only have a minute left, this is a a deep question. it didn't work out, they skated on everybody, beat a bunch of legal charges and got incredibly rich. why are they so unhappy? >> it's never enough. the whole point is just to get rich and get richer and keep winning. bob smith, my senator in new hampshire at the time, he said at the impeachment trial, he won, he always wins, let's move on.ns then suddenly they didn't win. and they can't stand it and they want to keep coming back, whether it's hillary or chelsea or whoever is next. it's the winning, it's the money, it's never enough. >> it never is. you think maybe you get to a certain age, you get happy, but

it's eluded them. thanks. the sworn enemy, we mean it, of lying, and group think. if you thought that was great, sean hannity from new york, live right now. >> sean: welcome to hannity. the stakes have never been higher, 57 days from today, if nancy pelosi takes over the house and senate, this is what you can expect to take a look at in terms of what's going to happen to your country. >> they say don't say impeachment anymore. and i say impeachment, impeachment.e >> sean: with two months to go, you have the power. youpo will decide whether or not maxine waters, nancy pelosi get their way. they are calling the democratic