>> 17 years on, quite a day. we will see where we go this afternoon. florence. >> we are watching it. looks like friday it makes landfall. thanks for joining us, everybody. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: we begin with a fox news alert on that major hurricane now barreling towards the east coast. florence now a category four storm and holding expected to make landfall in the carolinas early friday. the most powerful hurricane to threaten the carolinas and nearly three decades. could bring life-threatening wins in a storm surge from ten to 15 feet. states of emergency now declared, more than 1 million people are leaving coastal areas evacuating mandatorily as florence approaches. >> those citizens that need to evacuate, we implore that you evacuate now and heed your local and state warnings and do your

part in our team to help us save lives. we can rebuild infrastructure, we can rebuild homes, we cannot replace lives. they when the spring and meteorologist with more on this. adam, it is holding together and what does that mean? >> that means is going to stay a strong storm as we continue to see it do so, it's been a category for still spinning with winds at 130 miles an hour heading off and will likely even strengthen a little bit more today with those wins climbing back up to 140 to 150 miles an hour. here's the track we are following as it runs closer and closer to the coast by the way we make landfall, talking about early friday morning, likely a category for very strong category three storm. the impacts from the surge are going to be the same. again, early friday morning is a time frame we are. central south carolina coast to

from charleston running all the way to norfolk, virginia, all areas are going to see impact as you make your way back short. that's why we are looking at the storm surge along this entire area. spots as you mention getting up to ten to 15 feet, six to 12 feet running all the way up and down. for exactly this makes landfall will impact where the storm surges are the highest but it is bringing a lot of water with it. on top of that, going to be bringing rain. this is important. we see a pretty defiant line of where this is going to be approaching the carolinas but once it gets off the coast, there starts to be a bit more indecision so continue all of these models, you noticed doing a lot of different things here. really slowing down perhaps spinning off the coast and it's going to be bad news as far as flooding goes. if it stalls, if it spends a little while, there's going to be areas that can see additional rainfall. spots wouldn't be unheard of, over 2 feet of total precipitation, more widespread looking at spots getting up to a foot to 18 inches of rain. as could be a real rainmaker on

top of all of the wind we are going to be seen so no surprise here we are looking at these hurricane warnings stretching from charleston all the way up to the north carolina northern coast, stateline there. because the winds are going to be there, the rain is going to be there and the storm surge ten to 15 if he is going to be a big storm. >> harris: you and i covered a lot of this activity last year and one of the things that you reminded everybody is when it goes on shore, when it reaches into the in land, we can see sometimes even twisters and other very dangerous activity not to mention the flooding. >> once it starts to get close on shore, i wouldn't be surprised if there were a couple of small tornadoes popping up in the front right quadrant. and there's going to be a lot to deal with early friday morning. >> harris: we appreciate it, thank you very much. speaking we never forget, nisha remembers a september 11th, 17 years after the terror attacks

on the united states. americans remembering the nearly 3,000 lives lost. with somber tributes as lower manhattan, the pentagon, and in shanksville, pennsylvania, . this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox news contributor lisa boothe. former state department spokesperson and fox news analyst and cohost of benson and harsh radio show marie harf. and join us on the cash today for the first time, iraq war veteran and the republican nominee for the u.s. senate in michigan, john james. the decorated combat veteran, part of one of the first pass is at point after september 11 to swear the oath of affirmation would be understanding that we would be going to war. and we're going to ask you a lot about that coming up here. >> harris: welcome, it is a pleasure to have you on the couch, thank you for your military service and i can't wait to hear what you have to say about moving forward. >> john: thank you for having me, it was an honor to serve.

>> melissa: vice president mike pence of the pentagon honoring 184 people who died when american airlines flight 77 crashed into the building on september 11th 2001. the brave men and women who responded, president from speaking at shanksville where flight 93 went down. sing the sacrifice of those on the plane will never be forgotten. >> we are gathered together on these hallowed grounds to honor the memory of nearly 3,000 souls who were murdered on this day 17 years ago. we are here to pay some tribute to the 40 passengers and crew members on flight 93 who rose at, defied the enemy, took control of their destiny and changed the course of history. >> melissa: senior correspondent eric shawn has

more from ground zero in lower manhattan. >> hello, melissa. as you said, it has been 17 years and sometimes it feels that not one day has gone by. there still is that emotional and solemn ceremony ongoing that started before 9:00 this morning as the family members and loved ones read the names and the nation pauses and remembers. ♪ >> at this emotional gathering, there were as usual for moments of silence, to to mark when the planes hit the north and south tower and two marking when the giant buildings collapsed. loved ones, relatives, officials all gathering here to remember the 2,753 people who died. they were personal remembrances,

tributes, and messages to those who were killed by radical islamic terrorism. >> we try to make sure that we make him proud and even though i've never met him, i love him with all my heart and miss him dearly and i hope that he watches over my cousins and my sisters and me. >> i miss you, i love you very much and i'll see you soon and god bless america. >> we are looking live as a ceremony continues and sadly, the legacy of the state is the increasing number of first responders and others who have fallen ill from exposure to the fumes and the dust of the collapse. 8,000 people officials say have been diagnosed with cancer's went to 9/11, so far 1,700 have died. that includes 338 police officers and firefighters and even 15 fbi agents. one family member was especially defiant who lost his mother. he had a pointed message to politicians who compare other events to 9/11. >> stop.

please, stop using the bones of our loved ones as props in your political theater. their lives sacrifices and that's our worth much more and that's not trivialize them for us. it hurts. to my mom and to all of you and your loved ones, never forget. >> that certainly is a day of remembrance and also one to be aware of the threat that still exists. back to you. >> melissa: thank you so much. on a day like this, i was think about the tremendous sacrifices so many people may to try to help others in that time and when i see counterterrorism or law enforcement around the city, i have a say thank you for being here to protect us. it means something really to you especially this idea that you went to west point in the wake of this. it must've changed what you

thought you were signing up for and what was ahead of you. can you talk to us about that? >> john: absolutely, i went to west point because i have a passion for service and i've always understood that those of us who have the blessings and an obligation to be a blessing to others, i went to west point and we didn't know what was going to happen but on september 11th, we all know where we were. i was actually leaving my american politics class heading to my econ class at west point 40 miles left the heads up mike hudson river and we were going back and forth between classes and there were whispers in the hallway about a plane hitting a building in new york and we all thought it was a movie because this can't be real. we got to the class, our teacher at that particular point in time always have the ticker going in every single eyeball in the world was right here and what would become ground zero and we were watching as well. but as we watched one plane hit in two planes hit and one tower fall and another tower fall, we watched almost 3,000 americans perished right before our eyes and the thing is, everybody in

the country knew that someone had to do something about this but we at west point knew that we were the ones the country was looking to to do something about this. we knew that we were going to war and as we mentioned in the class of 2004 was the first class to take the oath of affirmation meaning that we knew that we are going to be going to war as a result of this heinous and tragic event. >> harris: i nodding her head. state department and military at that time at the pentagon are very closely aligned. there was almost a singular mission in terms of informing the american people. if >> marie: what i did, i was in bloomington, indiana, college on 9/11 and i said it politics but it became instantly clear in that moment that this was our, like the cold war had been, like world war ii had been and that's why went to work for the cia. and four and a half years later i was sitting as a career official, not a political and spent almost six wonderful years working there in the years where

everyone coming in was there because of 9/11. we were sitting in a classroom somewhere, we saw the towers fall only thought how can we help? that was how we felt like we could. it was an exciting time to be there because huge classes of people our age were signing up and saying we don't care about the limelight, we don't care about how difficult this may be in the fact that afghanistan is never country's longest war is a stunning statistic. students are graduating from high school this year can now enlist. that is a stunning number especially for those of you on the front line. i can even imagine. >> harris: both ended up segueing into politics. >> john: part of that as well as 21% of americans don't realize we are still at war in afghanistan and that's mostly because only 1% of the families in this country are bearing the brunt of the war. that's truly stunning. >> harris: the military is what i call the other 1% of people don't know about. >> melissa: lisa, i see you

getting very emotional over this as well but the rest of us. >> lisa: i really appreciated what president trump said today about america's future is not written by our enemies, america's future is written by our heroes and for me, i go back to 9/11, i was in high school at the time and that they to me was defined by heroes. heroes like you and heroes like marie as well signing up for the cia, going into military and i can't imagine being at west point knowing that the term services drastically change for you knowing that you're going to war. and heroes just helping each other, trying to survive, the heroes of flight 93 taking down that flight to save so many others and so i look right now at the country, there's so much talk of the country being divided but you go back on a day like that and i think it's so important to remember that we came together as a country, that we are a resilient nation, we are bound together by patriotism and love it country so i think it's so important to remember this day, to never forget this

day and to continue talking about it to future generations don't forget what it means to be an american. see when he must've seen some of your classmates go off. what was that like. can you tell us a little bit about that? >> john: there something that happens when you leave and you know that everybody might not come back. when you graduate or when you go off into a mission. there's kind of a silence that whatever happens, i'm going to have your back and whatever happens regardless, we are going to be there for each other and there's nothing on her uniform this is democrat or republican. we are all to put together in different backgrounds, different genders, different ethnicities because we all love this country, we all want to serve this country and that's what we need more of as we continue to remember what happened. >> harris: 's are beautiful hear that last note ring at ground zero here in new york city as you were speaking military service and love of country. very appropriate.

>> melissa: from the image right there. stay close, will be right back. oh. hey mom.

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>> harris: we come in with us fox news alert, the attorney for a fired fbi agent peter strzok is now defending his client after president trump seized on new allegations against strzok and former fbi lawyer lisa page. they were lovers of the fbi. in a letter to deputy ag rod rosenstein, a top house republicans said they engaged in a coordinated campaign in an effort to discredit the former term campaign advisor carter page. congressman mark meadows is writing this. new documents raise grave concerns regarding an apparent systemic culture of media leaking by high-ranking officials.

at 2017 text from strzok to page that said "i had literally just gone to find this phone to tell you i want to talk to you about media leak strategy with doj." one day after strzok's text, this headline appeared in "the washington post" ." "fbi obtained a fisa warrant to monitor former trump advisor carter page." in the very next day on april april 12, strzok warned lisa page to articles were coming out. one worse than the other about his namesake. strzok added well done, paige. and here's a statement from strzok's attorney. this is the one where he defends him now and this has come out recently. "the term media leak strategy in mr. strzok's text refers to an departmentwide initiative to detect and stop leaks to the media. the president and his enablers are once again peddling unfounded conspiracy theories to mislead the american people." what do you make of it? >> john: this is kind of tough

to swallow after what happened last week with the anonymous op-ed that we all remember. there was a crisis of trust in this country were resend elected officials here to do a job to represent us all and when you have these leaks, it fundamentally undermines the way we do business and government. this is why there is such a distaste among all americans regardless of what side of the aisle you're on. we all believe very strongly in the free press. we all believe in shining light in darkness and speaking truth to power. but at the same time, we need to make sure that we remember that these leaks. our service members at risk and they discredit these news outlets. "the new york times" is almost becoming like tmz and some of the headlines we have. we need to make sure that we continue to maintain loose lips sink ships and have a bit of discretion and the information we pass along. >> harris: was interesting about your comments as you kind of go beyond all the politics and just look at the pure leak that is happening which you say

is really dangerous for the country. and leadership. the politics here are that one side labels media leak strategy one way and is a different way of looking at it according to this attorney, which is it? >> lisa: they were also referring to negative articles that came out about carter page so i don't really buy what peter strzok is saying here and you also have to remember that it was back in 2016 when peter strzok and lisa page were topping about we will stop then candidate trump all about the insurance policy. so i'm sorry if i'm crazy to think that perhaps there was some sort of effort by peter strzok and lisa page to do precisely what they said they were going to do and also remind people when you look at carter page, he has still you have to be charged with anything coming at the fbi used information from the dnc and hillary clinton in some way or another to obtain a fisa warrant to survey carter page we also know the information about the dossier has come out which many daves

saying michael cohen didn't go to prague. >> harris: one thing and i want to follow up with really quickly before we open it up again. republicans were the ones who were allowing this document to be used, these fisa warns that we are learning about. they're okaying the second and third look at carter page. what do you make of that? >> lisa: i am really looking forward to these reports that trump is going to declassify the documents around carter page and bruce ohr. i think it's beneficial to everyone to have transparency because what john has said is that there is this crisis of trust in various institutions so my question to you as an outsider and someone who has served this country, how do we regain that trust in institutions like the fbi and the doj? >> john: people need to rise above the political rancor and put the country before a political party affiliation. i think that people need to stop talking and start working that's

one of the big reasons why am running. it's not about black-and-white or left and right, it's about socioeconomic upper mobility, giving people a better shot at the american dream. >> melissa: is interesting the point you make about trust because as i look at this, what struck me is peter strzok writes well done, paige talking about the two negative articles about carter page. they did this on april 12th and on april 11th is when the story came out. >> marie: a million things could've happened in those 24 hours. >> melissa: they seem to have little faith in the system. maybe you can speak to that, the idea that they felt like it seems that they needed to leak information, the russia probe was going on, you have the special counsel, but they feel so worried about stuff coming out that in spite of their own work on their own departments, they don't feel like their department can get it done, that they have to leak to the press.

>> marie: i'm not sure we can read all that from the cryptic text from two years ago that we have no context for. i'm not defending them because i don't know but their attorneys as this was a strategy to stop leaks and lisa page and peter strzok knew much more about the investigation into donald trump and his campaign that never was reported before the election. if they had really wanted to hurt donald trump, they could've leaked everything about his investigation in his campaign so i think we need to be careful about jumping to conclusions based on text messages. we have no evidence they were the ones that leave the carter page stories. if there is, i'm happy to take a look at it. but i think we should be careful about jumping to conclusions based on years old text that we don't have a context for. but to the article cited law enforcement and other u.s. officials, people in the government who are leaking this. >> marie: we don't know that it's them, we have no idea. >> melissa: why does anyone in the government feel like they need to leak. >> marie: people on both sides of the aisle leak for partisan purposes to get their narrative out.

it happens on every side of the aisle for their own partisan purposes and who knows why people leak. >> harris: i do want to ask you about this. in terms of documents, we had so many leaks and redaction's and all of this. the president is getting ready to as we understand declassify some things. then we don't have to read the crystal ball. can we just read the pages? are you as a democrat in favor of that? >> marie: absolutely come i would love to see every document that underpin the intelligence community and law enforcement assessment of russian interference and their investigations into the trump campaign. i do not think of those are all released it will be positive or donald trump. i'm not sure he's actually going to release them, we also have to keep the sanctity of the robert mueller investigation preserved so we have to weigh that versus when we time releasing things and classifying them. >> harris: i went to get back and give you the last word on all of this. >> john: we need to promote fairness and effectiveness in our government and we need to send people to understand the priority is god and country in that order.

we have enough to can constitution and the priority is to put service before self. >> harris: do you see peter strzok and lisa page in a position where they should be punished for anything that they've done? >> john: i believe we know that investigation is still ongoing, and once we know more we can make a better assessment. >> harris: spoken like a true military man. the latest on the track of the hurricane now, florence has millions of people in its way and they are trying to get out of harm's way evacuating a category four storm takes aim at the carolinas. plus, we are counting down to the midterm elections with high stakes for both political parties. as a key democrat goes on the attack, stay close. no matter who rides point,

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>> harris: we are continuing to follow this beast of a storm, more than 1 million people order to evacuate as a category four hurricane florence is bearing down on the east coast. miles of so far and this has been holding billy since friday 130 miles per hour. it's expected to hit somewhere in the carolinas by early friday bringing light threatening storm surge ten to 15 feet of that forecasters are saying, up to 3 feet of rain could fall in some areas. states of emergency declared in maryland, north carolina, south carolina, and virginia. we are watching this and we will bring in the news as it happens. >> melissa: new hampshire voters heading to the polls today is primary season comes to an end jump-starting a sprint to the november elections that will test democrats ability to harness opposition to the president and whether president trunk and get his supporters to the polls is a new quinnipiac poll shows his job

approval rating falling below 40% by the numbers are much better on the economy, seven in ten americans giving the economy positive marks in the new quinnipiac poll. if i'll start with you. i am still not in a place where i trust the polls. anything that they tell us, i just feel like we got so burned in that last election. what is your feeling like as we hit this final stretch here about where people are and how they're feeling? >> john: the growing sentiment i'm getting is that with everything going on with us versus them, black versus white, male versus female is a real sentiment of people who i talked to without the political pundits continue to get their ratings and the career politicians continue to get reelected while we the people continue to get screwed. right now in the state of michigan, people remind us that donald trump won michigan but so did burning because people in the state of michigan are sick and tired of the incumbents, sick and tired of being sick and

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i say one at a time. we will get him to. we do you think of that? >> lisa: there was a poll from nbc "wall street journal" as of the number one concern for democrats taking over the house was gridlock. and so i think for all of those voters both democrat and independents that share that concern when they see something like that, what you think is going to happen? it's going to be gridlock when you hear some of you like maxine waters talk about that knowing that democrats are going to want to conduct investigations into this white house, going to want to slow things down, there hasn't been a lot of togetherness and places even like the senate on things that at least your interest at least on things like immigration. i don't think that's kind of comments help with is voters that are worried about this. >> harris: fascinated by what you just said. all of it was fascinating. they were just some better price than others. look at who's back on the campaign trail now. talking and reaching out to

evangelicals and people who don't believe like him or think like him or agree with him, former president barack obama. and it's interesting what you say, and maxine waters might not be the best messenger because she further divides with those types of words that she uses, not to mention the call to attack people based on their belief. and i'm certain she meant verba verbal. but with barack obama back in the picture, it does kind of put a fine point on he's going to be like the soother and try to bring people back together. in >> marie: one of the most interesting things in his speech last night is when he said i would know you want to be crazy because the other side is crazy but that's not how we went and that's not how we govern. that was a shot across the democrats who are apologize, impeachment, and what's interesting is maxine waters in that message, that's not what democratic candidates are running and my home state of ohio, they're not running in virginia. yes in some of the bluer places,

the party has a very progressive wing but we are trying to see of moderates the party running across the midwest can win back some of those swing districts where there were a lot of women, independents who are sick and tired of donald trump in his twitter. >> melissa: i would ask you, it's interesting, marie is a right because it depends on what district you're in and in some districts, maxine waters is going to work for here in her area. there are other areas where that doesn't work at all. >> harris: that whole thing about go out and attack your neighbor? >> melissa: the thing about impeach the president is going to work very well in spots. >> marie: they were republicans that ran on the number one responsibility they had in congress after barack obama was elected to make sure that he was a one term president. so there's a lot of rhetoric on both sides but i think will be interesting this election if despite the good economic news although everything is not

perfect, donald trump's approval ratings continue to slide. he is not reaping the benefit of that in the polls and when his name is not on the ballot, there's an open question whether his base will show up to vote for people, some republicans don't even like that much. in >> harris: 's is a great question for john, really you fall in that? >> john: as you step back from all of this, we have plenty of people trying to look relitigate 2016 and enough people thinking about 2116, not enough thinking about the $21 trillion in debt we're leaving leaving to her kids. we have so many people in washington trying to legislate and regulate futures are not going to be a part of and we have an obligation to make sure that we can continue this amazing blessing we call the united states of america for future generations, there's so much rhetoric on both sides and so little leadership and we need more leadership in washington and congress and i think what leadership requires is a measured approach to make you step back and we don't necessarily have the luxury of your emotions all the time. you need to use your logic, you

need to compromise. conch from eyes as the core competency of this country and resistance and rancor regardless of which side of the aisle you're on is diametrically opposed to what we do as a country to move us all forward to make sure that her kids have a better future than we have. >> melissa: the white house going on offense as bob woodward's book hits the shelf, she said a lack of fact-checking discredits them. >> seemed like a very careless and reckless way to write a boo book.

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>> marie: the white house pushing back on claims by bob woodward and his new book which was released finally today. woodward cites numerous instances where officials question the president's comp wow competence. press secretary sanders saying woodward did little to authenticate the comments made in the book. >> a number of people have, and said woodward never even reached out to corroborate statements that were committed to them which seems incredibly reckless for a book to make such outrageous claims to not even take the time to get a $10 fact-checker to call around and verify that some of these quotes were happen when no effort was made, seems like a very careless and reckless way to write a boo book. >> marie: president trumped meeting yesterday, the woodward book is a -- using disapproved an unnamed anonymous sources. many have come forward to say the quotes by them like the book are fiction. dems can't stand losing. i'll write the real book.

so first of all, bob woodward is not omarosa when it comes to credibility. he has for many decades written books that have been pretty credible about many administrations in both parties and what he says and this is a narrative that we've heard a lot now, that the president is increasingly isolated, he is increasingly erratic in his behavior. do any of these reports coming out concern you about the washington you might be coming into, white house that's reportedly in chaos? >> john: as martian the chaos before and on my part to bring order to that chaos and that's what we need more of in washington, leaders who understand how to make split-second decisions, life and death decisions, people who understand the tremendous weight that the people put on our elected officials, not to put their own political careers first but to put the lives of in my case michigan and other people first. >> marie: do you think donald trump understands that? >> john: i think he does more so than most people who are in

washington because he's doing is something that he doesn't have to do. the man is a billionaire. he has skyscrapers walking distance from here. he didn't have to do this but for some reason, when you come to my state and yours as well, there are people who really feel for the first time someone is listening to them and regardless of your opinion of the tweets or whatever, the fact is extremely empowered, a former factory that's been neglected or forgotten and you have someone who is echoing your concerns, neither right nor wrong, just going to say honestly it feels great to be heard when you feel like for the longest time manufacturing jobs are thing of the past. he does need to get over it, michigan and ohio and pennsylvania and wisconsin. 2% is a new normal and when donald trump said that 3%, we are going to negotiate better deals and get this economy growing and last quarter was 4.2% growth.

unemployment rate is going down and you have people who are working. right now in order to keep this economy growing. we need to do something to address the labor crisis in this country. workforce develop men, vocational skills and making sure we have regulation. >> melissa: is at the focus is on is chaos in the white house and that's what we keep hearing about. what i think about when i hear chaos as i think there are people in washington who see the world as a certain order in the world and president trumped comes in and he throws it out the window. and that makes people really crazy. for me, always been someone very antiestablishment, and love the world antiestablishment arianism. i said that sounds wonderful whatever that is. so the chaos phrase to me is like a dog whistle from those people who feel like there's an

order in the world that is being violated. there's a way you do things in washington and we say that we hasn't worked unlike president trumped, we went want to throw it out the window. >> harris: i want to throw this in because of the first time we've heard from the former white house economic advisor to president trump and of course, he is mentioned in bob woodward's new book trade he's talked about as saying potentially taking papers off the president's desk. so this is according to axios, their reporting of what. cohen is saying that this book does not accurately portray my experience at the white house, i am proud of my service in the trump administration and i continue to support the president and his economic agenda. just want to get that in there. there have been reports now of some inconsistencies in things that are not substantiated in a new book that comes out that's called fear and so we want to get those statements out as quickly as they come from former members of the president's team because they matter.

>> marie: that denial does not stand alone. you also have secretary mattis, general kelly, chris christie, rob o'neill who said he was mentioned it wasn't accurate and bob woodward didn't bother to pick up the phone. i think the broader point here is the one that you made in the sense that if chaos means blue-collar jobs growing at the fastest pace in 30 years under president trump, his tax reform, deteriorated ices, deregulation, all these things, americans lives are better off than they were under president obama so that is chaos, i think a lot of americans are going to a race that and be fine with that and i think there's a bigger danger to the media are generally because the continued use of anonymous sources only see so many stories wrong, when there's so much destructive institutions of the media is dangerous. people need to start going on a record if they have any issues. >> marie: we will keep watching the story and be sure to tune in tomorrow when bob woodward himself will be joining dana perino on the daily

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>> lisa: welcome back, white house press secretary sarah sanders announcing the white house is considering a possible second summit with kim jong after a meeting with the senate. >> the primary purpose of the letter was to request and love to another meeting with the president which we are open to and are already in the process of that. if a number of things that have taken place, the remains have come back some of the hostages have returned, there's been no testing of missiles or nuclear material in the course of the historic summit between the two leaders and this letter is just further indication of the progress that we hope to continue to make. >> lisa: 's new development came on the same data white house house national security advisor john bolton said he was frustrated with the north korea lack of progress dismantling its nuclear arsenal. so john, where are we with north korea right now? >> john: i believe that we are in a much better position than

we were in the previous few years definitely in the previous number of decades. we are still technically at war with north korea and i believe that anyone who expected in this digital age to immediately denuclearize and unify the entire peninsula was a bit wrongheaded. i think that the pressure from china and on russia -- i believe the two greatest threats to the note states of america number one is the growing fears of communist influence all over the world which is affecting the middle east and asia in the second most severe is the divisiveness and the refusal to work together here at home. i think the first step pressuring china to work with north korea to denuclearize in to make sure that we are using all the leverage possible so we are handling as economically and politically and not in terms of war. if >> lisa: do you think full denuclearization is possible with north korea? >> john: i don't think you should start from a compromise position.

he always lead with your first in your primary and best position and you work together with your allies with your intelligence agencies, always reserving the full complement of military action should be the last resort required. >> lisa: 's a president trump canceled mike pompeo's trip, than there and there is this letter which is apparently wanting to have a second meeting. was at the right call to cancel that trip? >> marie: i don't know what the strategy is because everything sarah sanders listed was true before they canceled the pompeo trip and is true today so i don't know why they canceled the trip. they thought maybe they weren't getting enough progress of what progress has been made since they canceled to now justify another summit which is a very big deal for the north koreans, and it's giving them something when we don't have an advantage not example of tangible progress. i want to see strategy and not letters back and forth. >> melissa: i totally agree although we don't know what's going on but i do trust mike

pompeo and also ambassador bolton to be very tough and very clear and to not sit down or set up another meeting unless something tangible has been achieved on that front. >> lisa: we will discuss at a later point am sure, more "outnumbered" and just a moment, stay tuned. george woke up in pain.

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