tomorrow night at six. tucker carlson is coming up next to. thank you everyone, have a good night. ♪ ♪ 's b6 good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." more drama from the ongoing saga of peter strzok and lisa page. tonight newly released text messages from the two of them that make it pretty obvious that some of our most trusted officials, people who hold sensitive posts in the country's most powerful law enforcement agency have radically abused their power and hurt american citizens in the process, all for political reasons. the new text messages were revealed in a letter sent by congressman mark meadows to the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. the texts were sent in april 2017. they were part of a batch that you will remember had supposedly

been lost to some sort of technical glitch. now mysteriously and thankfully, we have them. here's what they say. on april 10th, peter strzok told paige that he wanted to discuss a "media linking strategy" with her. the next day "the washington post" reported the obama administration had spied on trump campaign advisor carter page because there was credible reason to believe that page was an agent of russia. we now know that's ridiculous. carter page is no more a secret russian agent then you are. he's a former naval officer and an annapolis graduate. but at the time thanks in part to peter strzok and lisa page and a propaganda effort, the damage was taken seriously in the story helped destroy carter page's life. he told paige that two more articles were coming out about her "namesake" obvious reference to carter page. then peter strzok texted this. "article is out!

well done, paige." that's the extent of what we know from this latest tranche of tax but it tells us a lot. it's now beyond a doubt that they work to hurt them for political reasons. this is a trail of constitutional order and democracy itself. the employees in the executive branch are not and all of the power derives from him and his power derives from you, the voters. when they subvert him, they are subverting you. that's what the constitution says. it's also clear that there is rot at the highest level of american law enforcement. we place tremendous trust and the fbi because they hold tremendous power over all of us. some of them it turns out are abusing that power and then leak information to the press, destroying people in the process. the left defends it, why? richard goodstein is an attorney and advisor to the

hillary clinton campaign. this seems to me a nonpartisan question. these are irrelevant from the point of view for most citizens. the question is, should the fbi be linking damaging information about american citizens? especially information that turns out to be false. >> tucker come in the lead up he said, that's the extent of what we know, when you are talking about the peter strzok text. with all due respect, that's not true. there were two emails that preceded this one about -- >> tucker: these were texts, not emails. >> sorry. he said to paige that the doj was getting all political and worked up about changing the media leak regulations. and there was a second one, at the same day of this one that you referenced that said, look. if comey and mccabe are changing this, we need to talk with them.

then there was one that you referenced. i like mark meadows but you have to give him the benefit of the doubt here. >> tucker: i'm confused. let me be clear. >> you are having a predicate for something that's not factually untrue. >> tucker: i don't know what the full extent of what they mean, we don't know. and i won't pretend that we do. these two in fbi employees, and before they appeared, they were part of a leaking strategy. i'm not saying they broke federal law but i'm asking you a simple question which is are you comfortable with this. >> the predicate is just not true. when he said well done, that was in reference to a "new york times" story on april 22nd about comey. so you are trying to conflate two things that just aren't unrelated to make a story.

>> tucker: i get it, but this is not true. richard, this isn't actually about donald trump and i don't want to blow your mind by saying that it not everything in america is about donald trump. it's possible to take the players out of it and ask principal questions about what our government ought to be doing in our name. the context leaves one thing crystal clear which is, lisa page and peter strzok were part of a leaking strategy, a leaking information about what they were purveyed to from the press. it's a really simple question, and it's okay -- i know you don't like trump but it's okay to say you are not comfortable with that because it's contrary to our constitutional order, correct? >> so that's like saying let's assume the sun rises in the west and have a bunch of questions predicated on that. >> tucker: so i want to know what you are saying. are you saying that these texts do not suggest that strzok and

paige had a hand in leaking information to the press? >> i'm saying that any fair inference talking about the doj changing their media policy, and they are talking about the media reg policy, and the one that mark meadows references in his letter to rosenstein, that comes after that. >> tucker: but hold on, i'm not here to defend any member of congress or any politician. and the question is simple. are you saying that on the basis of the evidence received today that they were privy to leaking? you can't say that. they were and it's obvious from these texts. >> there is zero about whether they were leaking or not, and incidentally, strzok had a ten hour hearing at a could have asked him at the direct question then nailed him for perjury. >> tucker: i'm not here to defend that, i'm here to defend

the interest of citizens who would be really worried if law enforcement agencies are leaking information, and, they destroyed his life and that doesn't bother you? is there a civil libertarian left in you? >> strzok knew about the trump election before election day. >> tucker: okay. i hope the civil libertarians -- and he is a retired professor and author of the book, "the case against impeaching trump." does it bother you that the law enforcement agency could be any law enforcement agency which at any time could leak damaging and in some cases classified information about targets to

their investigation? why would you want to live in a country where that happens? >> i've been bothered by this since j. edgar hoover. j. edgar hoover who notoriously lived, they would like information about their lives in their private life, and it's wrong then and wrong now. and when an fbi agent or prosecutor leaks grand jury material, it's criminal. what we need now is an objective investigation by the inspector general, by the office of professional responsibility into these leaks and what was meant by the email that said that they have a leak strategy. it's hard to believe that they have a strategy to stop leaks. it seems much more plausible that he was talking about a strategy designed to leak things selectively to the media in order to achieve the goal that he had set out for himself

mainly to have an insurance policy against electing a man who he thought was dangerous to the country. he has a right to his opinion and he had a right to vote anyway he wanted. he had a right to influence the outcome of the election through leaks. we have to look into that, we have to find out about that. and that's what the inspector general is about. now your previous guest mentioned the investigation by congress, but as far as i know, at least, i didn't know about this email during that investigation. he wasn't asked about it. if that email exists and is authentic, it should have been in the hands of the people who are asking him the questions. he may have to be called back now to answer questions about what he meant, under oath -- what he meant by saying, we have a leak strategy. i doubt he will say under oath, it was intended to make sure there were no leaks. that just doesn't pass the giggle test.

>> why are people not outraged by this? this is not a society, this is the side of every american who is subject to the fbi or any law enforcement agency. >> it is so dangerous to every american, today it's trump they are after and tomorrow it could be bernie sanders or hillary clinton, the day after tomorrow it could be you and me. that's why every civil libertarian democrat and republican has to be concerned about government by leak. we want full disclosure, we want a lot of information that is now classified to be disclosed but there are proper ways of disclosing this. and you know who is at fault for this more than anyone else? comey because he laundered information. shame on that professor and shame on comey. he didn't have enough to drop it

off, academic go in front of a tv camera, but no he's not the information to a law professor who collaborated with him in getting the information and, without having the courage of his conviction to stand up, that's what a civil libertarian would do and that's what a patriotic american would do. >> of course, and now he is the hero of the resistance. >> believe it or not, midterm elections are imminent. and the left led by maxine waters is getting crazier by the hour. not by the way, an overstatement. we will tell you more after the break. when you retire will you or will you just be you, without the constraints of a full time job?

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be here. tonight there are primary support to big u.s. house races in new hampshire, but all around the country there are remarkable battles that will decide who controls congress. one key house race that determines whether the g.o.p. will keep the houses in illinois, where incumbent peter roskam is in a dead heat with incumbent sean haskin. he has already taken heat for recently claiming the late terrorist leader usama bin laden and president trump "have a tremendous amount in common." he later added that it doesn't take someone with a calculator to figure out that in his words there are and racists in the white house. it also contributes to the theory that zina basch was been widely debunked thanks in part to the fact that this is also an okay sign but also because it turns out that basch is actually half mexican and half jewish and the granddaughter, yes, of

holocaust survivors. in the senate meanwhile, democrats are cheered by the fact that they have some surprisingly close so mike close like texas. so much so, and republicans believe that they have big pickup opportunities in places like florida, and west virginia, states the president carried big in 2016. tucker? >> tucker: ed henry. thanks, eddie. congressman maxine waters is leading the democratic charge this fall and her weapon of choice is rage. in a speech last weekend she vowed that democrats would impeach not simply president trump, but once they finish doing that, vice president mike pence as well. >> this deplorable, despicable human being that occupies the white house should not be there.

i say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. it if you are able to impeach, you knock one down. we look at him, too. >> tucker: keep in mind if democrats win in two months, maxine waters will be a committee chairman. mark penn, and who is in charge of the democratic message do you think? >> that's a good question. there doesn't seem to be a democratic message or republican message as we go into this, other than trump is no good and we have to put guardrails on hi him. the democrats have gone too far to the left, and that's what pass for a good message. >> a lot of former democrats voted for trump because they

felt left behind by the economy. maybe they should try to win the votes back but no one seems to be doing that, why? >> i think this is going on in individual races. maxine waters is talking to democratic base, voters who are 90% going to vote for the democratic column, and it's trying to stimulate turnout. that's not what is happening in real swing districts where i think the battle between the candidates is a battle over the health care issue and the democrats i think won handily. front and center, there are some serious issue debates out there but we don't really see them because they don't make the news. news. >> tucker: it seems to me, if you are watching at home, i don't want anything to do >>

maxine waters is counterproductive for the overall democratic, but she's not a key democratic leader. in fact mcconnell and lyon, ryan has quit but then he didn't leave. mcconnell is intensely disliked. if you look at schumer and pelosi and the party, they actually have the support of democrats in terms of what they want to do. republicans right now have no leader outside of president trump. >> that is absolutely true. republicans don't like paul ryan by and large. >> i think pelosi will probably win in the first instance but i don't think -- i think then it's a problem solvers group that is looking to have some influence, if it's close, in terms of changing the rules and naming the speaker. because remember, speaker technically has to be elected by a majority vote of the house, not the majority vote of a caucus. >> so you think pelosi, pelosi

will be elected speaker but the not serve? between then and the next election, there would be a new speaker. i think that the democratic party is looking to have new blood and new leadership. the question is where and who? >> tucker: last question. i mean there are a bunch of adults and democratic party, i know them. they live near me. they seem afraid of the net roots of democratic way out to the left of where they have traditionally been. they have the power and will to stand up against the constituencies and say, no. >> some do and some don't. remember because of the caucuses in the democratic primaries, the activists have outsized power compared to the run-of-the-mill

voter in big states. and so you see embarrassing performances like senator cory booker, but you look at what joe biden is doing and he tends to be pitching to the responsible center. >> mark penn, great to see you. thanks so much for that. last night we review revealed an internal google email that showed someone was working behind-the-scenes. pretty shocking story. the investigation into that and the ramifications of it, coming up next. ♪

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among certain groups for the express purpose of helping hillary clinton win the electio election. and, it's time for google to answer some questions. cb helton posts a new revolution on fox and he is the author of the book with ideas to rebuild economic, family and community. steve, google's behavior, google's existence, google's power raises real questions about how to have an actual democracy. >> what's interesting to me about the story, google wouldn't even consider this to be a political intervention. to me, the idea of a presidency is so unthinkable and unacceptable that working to

block it just regulates like breathing to them. i wouldn't even stop to think that this is an appropriate, but the underlying point is that google dominates in a way that you have been describing and there are two steps there that you need to take. first of all, you need to actually require google to reverse the power grab that has already been made, it's actually built itself up by acquisition. it needs to sell youtube, cell android, these little bits of empire that have been acquired but, leaks go a lot further than that. it's one of the things i talk about in my book, are really radical trump agenda that i think trump can take forward, and breaking up these big companies. we wouldn't mind so much about these accusations of bias and so on if there were 100 search engines that people could choose between. but it's not like that. >> tucker: so that's the crux

of it right there. you are hearing google, or you have for the past ten years, google, facebook and a number of these other companies defending on pro-market ground. and monopoly changes changes the calculation completely. >> i would be making this argument and talking about my book a lot and conservatives pushed back and say, we don't like the government regulate in business. of course we don't. but antitrust action to force competition into a market, that is the antidote to regulation. that is the exact way we avoid having to intervene in the exact behavior of individual companies. you have to have competition, so this is a pro-market argument. it's not just a google, but facebook as well, the way it's a bot instagram and whatsapp and amazon, too.

the way it's making its own products and prioritizing them, all these ways in which companies are getting more and more dominant. we got to stop it and that's a conservative argument, a pro-market argument. >> of course, it's not the capitalism and i signed up for, this is the chinese model. so quickly, we need to trust the algorithm. we need to trust that google search results are not being designed to favor one candidate or party over another. we have to come because they control human information. how do we trust them? >> one thing that i think would be very helpful would be to have transparency. some people have called for algorithms that are used by these companies and others that we haven't discussed to be made public. not all the details, there are commercial secrets in there, but to be supervised. to have a board of independent algorithms and scrutiny years if you like. we can try to get the public

some sense of reassurance but you have to see that as a first step. when you don't have any competition. i think really in the long run it's competition that is the real answer. >> tucker: of course it is. and congress waking up from it super finally, i hope. thank you very much and congrats on the book. >> see you soon. >> tucker: evergreen state college in washington let a student bob take control of campus and threaten anyone who dissented. one year later, that decision has had a massive effect on the school. we have a pretty amazing update on that story for you, next. is building something completely different. capital one cafés. welcoming places with people here to help you, not sell you. with savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. that are easy to open from right here or anywhere in 5 minutes. no smoke. no mirrors. this is banking reimagined.

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>> tucker: classes are underway again at evergreen state college in olympia, washington and it's been more than a year since students at that college targeted professor brett weinstein for harassment after he refused to leave campus because he was the wrong skin

color. if you think you sound like a civil rights hero, you didn't go to evergreen. he had to flee the campus. the faculty took the side of the mob. they ordered campus police to stand down and trash the campus. it caused thousands of dollars in damage and remarkably, remarkably, bewilderingly, they somehow blamed brett weinstein for the crisis. he never returned to campus, by the way. tonight, a follow up that story. mike barros and the whole episode in effect destroyed the school. freshmen enrollment at evergreen has fallen to below 300 students this fall, the 50% drop from last comic two years ago. this has canceled the dorm renovation, cut the budget and announced layoffs unfortunately. for once, it's a happy ending.

brown university is censoring a scientific study by one of its own research is because political activists don't like it. i professor called lisa litman found teenagers that said they want to switch genders are often influenced not surprisingly by friends and social media. the study was solid enough to be picked up by a reputable scientific journal. there was a press release promoting the study. but then activists descended. they were offended by the conclusions of the study. no one even argued they were wrong but the conclusions were eat ideologically inconvenient and they demanded that the data be suppressed. and they apologized for sending it in the first place. this is not about brown, this is about when reasons itself dies.

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>> tucker: taking a look at live pictures from the tribute in light to ground zero in

new york city. today marks the anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks. in the 17 years since, america has not mercifully based on another attack like it, or so we thought. angus wants you to know that america remains under attack from the threat every bit as sinister as g bodies and heirs act airliners. that's what threatens us. watch. >> i could argue the beginning of this continues today. they used airplanes in towers, now people can use the click of a computer key and send russia to attack. it's hard to know how to respond to something like that, only a person completely cut off from reality, someone who lives

full-time in a tiny airless a world of fellow dumb people could after those words without turning red with shame, it's absurd. russian mischief in the last election was nothing like 9/11, but it is worth thinking about what the real threats to america are after 17 years. 17 years after the towers fell. russia is not even in the top ten, although extremism does seem mildly less threatening and let's hope that remains true. the real threats we face today may be from within. leaders who hate the country that they govern so much that they seek to make american citizenship irrelevant. massive tech monopolies at war with our most basic constitutional rights and winning, and a ruling class of selfish that they decided to make them look like out to us. they yielded more power than our elected representatives. these are real trends toward democracy. people who live in this country already know that because it's obvious, maybe that's why they are yelling so loudly about russia so you won't think about

it. america has changed a lot in the past 17 years. since 9/11, brit hume has been here the entire time. he is the senior political analyst and he's been tracking changes to american culture and politics over that period. thanks for coming on. it does seem like it's a very different country from the room one before 9/11. >> i think it is in some ways, and in some ways it is not. certainly when 9/11 happened, i will bet you that you will, like me, thought this was just the beginning, that further such attacks were undoubtedly coming and lord knows how many in number and that is a testament to the success of the government, really, and us as a nation, in hardening ourselves as a target and trying to knock them out where they live and where they start. i think it was so successful in fact that life.backed in terms

of the political and they got back to normal, pretty soon and it normal is so good. we are a deeply divided nation and people are flinging all kinds of wild things across the barricades of one another. for as sensible of a man is angus king, well, my guess is from maine, a state with which i believe you are familiar. he's a pretty sensible guy, you and i may disagree with him on some issues, but he was talking through his hat. that's absurd what he was saying about the russian attempted to hack the election which is the same as 2001. this sort of thing is regrettable, and i think the divisions in the country worry me as much as they have anything else. >> did you ever think since you cover the cold war for a long time and in the fall of the soviet union, did you ever think you would see it public opinion showing that a huge number of

young people prefer socialism to our system? >> i think it is a regrettable commentary on our educational system. first of all american history isn't taught in the way it used to be. in some cases it's not taught at all. in american history and world history would bring students back in the day into a familiarity which have been tried through history and those that have not. socialism and its cousin have failed virtually everywhere they've been tried, and venezuela being only the most recent example. the fact that socialism seems to have an attraction for a significant number of our generation is troubling. and i think we can point the finger at the way that history and other issues are being taught in our schools and colleges for that. >> tucker: do you think it will pass? >> well, i hope so.

i have to say tucker, you know i love you but when we were talking about the leaders who hate our country, i don't think there are any leaders out there that hate our country except in foreign lands perhaps. i think people have the wrong ideas about how it should be governed but i don't think they hate our country. and i don't think it strengthens the case to say, they do. >> i think they do. if you have the richest people in our country desecrating our national symbols and that's considered a sign of heroism, what does that say about the attitudes of the people doing it? or if you have people saying that america was never a just and good plays, those are acts of hostility. >> whether they are actual acts of hostility i must be permitted to doubt. i think that people have some profoundly wrong ideas about the direction that this country ought to go in the critique of america as it is is wrong. i just don't think it rises to the level of saying, they hate our country.

>> tucker: i hope you are right. >> i think the word hate is flung around with much too much abandon in our discourse today. >> if i hated a country, i would open its doors to anyone who wanted to come here and demand nothing in return. that's how i would act. so maybe i'm just projecting. if i loved the country i would treat it like i treat my own house and its citizens like my own children, but i don't think they do that. i hope you're right. >> i must say, there are people who deeply love this country who think that it has been profoundly strengthened by the inflow of immigrants who have contributed so much and they would argue continue to do so. >> tucker: that's legitimate. but i think it would be a good policy to have almost an open border policy. >> >> tucker: we have that

experience all the time. they say america has no right to turn people down because the sins that we have committed in other countries. >> i completely agree with you here. it's utter nonsense. and i would also say tucker come in defense of what you've been saying about this question about how diversity is our strength, that is repeated constantly to the point where it's kind of a cliche and there is a lot of cancer about it. and i think you were entirely within your rights to take that on. and make the case. >> tucker: i think you should be allowed to ask questions. >> i agree. but not everyone does. washington is once again gearing up for a strike on syria. why are they? is it good for the country, and to show it would be on board? that's next. ♪ you'll ask...

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>> tucker: for the third time in fewer than two years the united states is gearing up to drop bombs in syria. this time, as in the last times it is in response to alleged chemical attacks by the assad regime. in this case on rebels in the italy project. it's not an endorsement of anything, but a sincere question. more than 10,000 rebels in that province are believed to be allied with al qaeda. that would mean that 17 years after 9/11 america could soon find itself bombing a country to protect al qaeda sympathizers. why would we do that? foreign policy expert for barack obama's presidential campaign and he joins us tonight to explain. it's great to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: so two april's in a row we've bombed syria in response to chemical attacks about which we still don't know a lot and rather than have a debate with you about who's lying and how much we know,

let's just for the sake of argument pretend that we can take at face value these report reports, which we can't, why would this be in america's interest to bomb a government for attacking al qaeda sympathizers? >> remember that the two attacks in the trump administration that you referred to in april 2017 and april 2018 were in response to the use of chemical weapons by assad. this third attack, which the u.s. and our allies are preparing for, though not necessarily are going to do, would be to deter assad from again using chemical weapons. jim jeffries, president trump's envoy to syria said last thursday that there is lots of evidence that assad is preparing to use chemical weapons again. and what's important is that we have to enforce the chemical weapons -- >> tucker: can i stop you there? i want to make sure i understand this. if you so that we bombed syria twice to deter assad from using chemical weapons but he still doing it but we think bombing

him a third time will prevent him from doing it a fourth time because why? >> he would have done it a lot more had we not done that and it's clear that every time the u.s. uses force, assad backs off. the one thing that assad and his partners in syria, russia and iran fear is u.s. use of force. if that's what they fear. >> tucker: i'm so confused. i know i'm not a certified foreign policy expert, just a dump lead trying to keep up with this, but you just said that you are claiming and the government is complaining he again used chemical weapons but again, i don't understand, we didn't deter him apparently because he still doing it. so why do we think this time will determine? >> i didn't say he had used them. what i said is that intelligence reports according to the trump administration suggest he has preparing to use them and we need to deter that. what you are saying is just because -- he's indicating he is you going to use them again means it didn't help. what the evidence shows is every

time we've used force in syria, assad backs off and he backed off in april of 2018. he backed off in april 2017. we have to enforce a chemical weapons ban because of chemical weapons can be used in syria without any punishment they will be used in other places and ultimately they will be used here in the u.s. this is a priority also for u.s. security. >> tucker: right. there's a lot of propaganda around this question, but they were used by saddam against iran and we were aware of that, we did nothing because we are approved of the aim, which was of course to defeat iran, which he did not achieve, by the way. you know as well as i, let's stop attending, this is all preparatory to some sort of movement against iran. this is about iran. if iran didn't support syria we wouldn't be considering this. why can't people be honest and say we want to have a war with iran, you may may not be for it but we want to have it but they are lying about it, aren't they? >> i don't agree with you -- i do agree -- this also has the

benefit of pushing back against iran, which is highly involved in syria which has militia that is supporting in syria. that's a positive of this but that's not the only reason. when president obama enforced -- failed to enforce the red line at 2013, a mistake by president obama, it wasn't because iran was there, it was because he should have done it to prevent assad from using chemical weapons. >> tucker: we are out of time, david. i hope you will come back on this question, good to see you. hurricane florence growing in strength and heading straight for the carolinas. it has become a category four storm, sustained winds of 140 miles an hour expecting to make landfall as soon as late thursday. a state of emergency has been declared throughout the keller minus, virginia, maryland and the district of columbia. more than a million people have artie been told to evacuate. obviously we will be following this life to the very end. stay with box for that. that's it for us tonight. tune in tomorrow night and every night to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity,

smugness and groupthink. things that need enemies. have a terrific night, we will see you tomorrow. in the meantime, if you don't have plans tonight, may i suggest staying right where you are in keeping the dial on fox, because sean hannity is live from new york city. >> sean: hannity is next, great big breaking news today. that would be better. tucker, great job. >> sean: cancel your plans! >> sean: everybody is welcome into our house. we love that you are here, thank you for joining us. today did mark the 70th anniversary of the september september 11th 2001 attacks on this country. this morning president trump, he visited shanksville, pennsylvania, where a new monument has been erected for those brave passengers, the crew of flight 93. remember, let's roll? they fought back, ultimately crashing that plane into a remote field and coming up tonight we will show you the president's powerful remarks earlier in pennsylvania and it is the sixth anniversary of what was the horrific benghazi