thank you everyone, have a good night. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." more drama from the ongoing saga of peter strzok and lisa page. tonight newly released text messages from the two of them that make it pretty obvious that some of our most trusted officials, people who holdme sensitive posts in the country's most powerful law enforcement agency have radically abused americaner and hurt citizens in the process, all for political reasons.or it's a big story. the new text messages were revealed in a letter sent by congressman mark meadows to the deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein. the texts were sent in april of 2017.ex they were part of a batch that you will remember had supposedly been lost to some sort of technical glitch.

now mysteriously and thankfully, we have them. here's what they say. on april 10th, strzok told page that he wanted to discuss a "media leaking strategy" with her. the next day "the washington post" reported the obama administration had spied on trump campaign advisor carter page because there wasas credible reason to believe that page was an agent of russia. we now know that's ridiculous. carter page is no more a secret russian agent than you are. he's a former naval officer and an annapolis graduate. but at the time, thanks in part to strzok and page and their propaganda effort, the slander was taken seriously and the story helped destroy carter page's life. he told page that two moreif articles were coming out about her "namesake," obvious reference to carter page. then peter strzok texted this: "article is out!

well done, page." that's the extent of what we know from this latest tranche of texts but it tells us a lot. it's now beyond a doubt that executive branch employee worked to hurt the president they worked for for political reasons. this is a betrayal of constitutional order and of democracy itself. why? because the o president is elected. the employees in the executive branch are not. all of their power derives from him and his power derives from you, the voters. when they subvert him, they are subverting you. that's what the constitution says.su it's also clear that there is rot at the highest levels of american law enforcement. we place tremendous trust in the fbi because they hold tremendous power over all of us. some of them, it turns out, are abusing that fire done my power to spy on us and then leave that information to the press, destroying people in the process. the worst kind of abuse of power. the left defends it, why? richard goodstein is an attorney and advisor to the hillary clinton campaign.

this seems to me a nonpartisan question. take out the name of the president, take out the name of members of congress. they are irrelevant from the point of view for most citizens. the question is, should the fbim be leaking damaging information about american citizens? especially information that turns out to be false. >> tucker, in the lead up you said, that's the extent of what we know, when you are talking about the strzok text. with all due respect, that's not true. there were two emails that preceded this one about -- >> tucker: these were texts, not emails.s >> texts, sorry. he said to page that the doj was getting all political and worked up about changing the>> media leak regulations. t and there was a second one, the same day of this one that you referenced that said, look. if comey and mccabe are changing this, we need to talk with them. then there was one that you referenced.

i like mark meadows, i want to give him the benefit of the doubt -- >> tucker: i'm confused. let me be clear. >> you are having a predicate for something that's not factually untrue. >> tucker: hold on. it's not factually untrue. i am quoting the texts. i don't know what the full extent of what they mean, we don't know. and i won't pretend that we do. these two in fbi employees, and before they appeared, they were part of a leaking strategy. i'm not saying they broke federal law but i'm asking you a simple question, which is, are you comfortable with this? >> your predicate is just not true. when he said "well done," that was in reference to a "new york times" story on april 22nd about comey. so you are trying to conflate two things that just aren't unrelated to make a story. i understand it's a bad time for

trump. i get it. but this is not true. >> tucker: richard, this is not aboutt donald trump. i don't want to blow your mind by saying that it not everything in america is about donald trump. it's possible to take the players out of it and ask principled questions about what our government ought to be doing in our name. the context leaves one thing crystal clear which is, lisa page and peter strzok were partl of a media leaking strategy, a leaking information about what they were privy to from the press. my question is -- it's a really simple question. are you comfortable with it? and it's okay -- i know you don't like trump but it's okay to say you are not comfortable with that because it's contrary to our constitutional order, correct? >> so that's like saying let's assume the sun rises in the west and have a bunch of questions predicated on that. >> tucker: so i want to know what you are saying. i'll let you finish. are you saying that these texts do not suggest that strzok and page had a hand in leaking information to the press?

is that what you are seeing? >> i'm saying that any fair inference, they are talking about the doj changing their media policy, and they are talking about the media reg policy, and the one that mark meadows references in his letter to rosenstein, that comes after that. that would seemingly by all accounts happened. >> tucker: but hold on, i'm not here to defend any member of congress or any politician.ng i'm dissecting you a very simple question, what you are dodging, which would suggest you were the one spinning, not me. and the question is simple. are you saying that on the basis of the evidence received today that they were privy to leaking? i don't think you can say that. you can't say that. they were and it's obvious from these texts. >> there is ear about these texts that indicate whether they were leaking or not. incidentally, strzok had a ten hour hearing at a could have asked him at the direct question then nailed him for perjury. >> tucker: that's their problem. i'm not here to defend republicans in congress, that is for sure. i'm here to defend the interest

of citizens who ought to be really worried if law enforcement agencies are leaking information, especially false information -- like carter page is a russian and informant, he's not. they destroyed his life and that doesn't bother you? is there a civil libertarian impulse left in you? >> strzok knew about the trump election before election day.or if he was out to get trump, he would have shared that the press. >> tucker: okay. i hope the civil libertarians come back to your party because we need them. thank you. alan dershowitz is a civil libertarian, retired harvard law school professor. he is the author of the book "the case against a breaching trump." he joins us tonight. professor, does it bother you that a law enforcement agency -- doesn't need to be the fbi under jim comey, could be any law enforcement at any time, would leak damaging, in some cases classified information

come about targets to their investigation? why would you want tor live in a country where that happened? >> i've been bothered by this h since j. edgar hoover. j. edgar hoover, who notoriously lived by leaks, they would leak information about their sex lives and their private life, and it's wrong then and wrong now. and when an fbi agent or prosecutor leaks grand jury material, it's criminal. what we need now is an objective investigation by the inspector general, by the office of professional responsibility into these leaks and what was meant by the email that said that they have a leak strategy. it's hard to believe that they have a strategy to stop leaks. it seems much more plausible that he was talking about a strategy designed to leak things selectively to the media inn order to achieve the goal that he had set out for himself namely to have an insurance

policy against electing a man who he thought was dangerous to the country. he has a right to his opinion and he had a right to vote anyway he wanted. he doesn't have a right to try to influence the outcome of an election through leaks. now i am taken by the point that he might not have leaked before the election. we have to look into that, we have to find out about that. and that's what the inspector general is about. now your previous guest mentioned the investigation by congress, but as far as i know,l at least, i didn't know about this email during that investigation.ng he wasn't asked about it. if that email exists and is authentic, it should have been in the hands of the people who are asking him the questions.xi he may have to be called back now to answer questions about what he meant, under oath -- what he meant by saying, we have a leak strategy. i doubt he will say under oath, it was intended to make sure there were no leaks. that just doesn't pass the d giggle test. >> tucker: very quickly, why

are more people not outraged by this? does anyone want to live in a country where a law enforcement agency -- i know, this is a dayside. this is the side of every american who is subject to the fbi or any law enforcement agency. i mean, they should be scary to democrats as well as republicans. >> it is so dangerous to every american, today it's trump they are after and tomorrow it could be bernie sanders or hillary clinton, the day after tomorrow it could be you and me. that's why every civil libertarian, democrat, and republican has to be concerned about government by leak. we want full disclosure, we wano a lot of information that is now classified to be disclosed but there are proper ways of disclosing this. and you know who is at fault for this more than anyone else? comey because he leaked information. and laundered it through the professor at the columbia law school. shame on that professor and shame on comey. he didn't have enough to drop it

off, and go in front of a tv camera, but no he snuck the information to a law professor who collaborated with him in getting the information and causing the appointment of a special counsel without having the courage of his conviction to stand up. that's what a civil libertarian would do and that's what a patriotic american would do. >> tucker: of course, now he is a hearer of the resistance. he's charles de gaulle. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> tucker: believe it or not, midterms are imminent, less than two months away. and the left led by maxine waters is getting crazier by the hour. not, by the way, an overstatement. we will tell you more after the break. ♪ when you retire will you or will you just be you, without the constraints of a full time job?

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♪ >> tucker: the midterm elections are amazingly less than two months from today. some races have gotten pretty intense and some candidates are acting out in ways we wouldn't have anticipated a couple years ago.ac ed henry has been following all of it and here it is. >> tucker, eight weeks from today the midterms will finally be here.

tonight there are primary for two big u.s. house races in new hampshire, but all around the country there are remarkable battles that will decide who controls congress.o one key house race that determines whether the g.o.p. will keep the houses in illinois, where incumbent peter roskam is in a dead heat with incumbent sean haskin. here we are in the 9/11 of anniversary, and is utterly taken heat for recently claiming the late terrorist leader usama bin laden and president trump "have a tremendous amount in common." he later added that it doesn't take someone with a calculator to figure out that in his words there are nazis and racists in the white house. he tripled on by spreading the conspiracy theory that former law clerk zina basch was been widely debunked thanks in part was making white power signs at the hearings of brett kavanaugh.

it was widely debunked thanks in part to the fact that this is also an okay sign but also because it turns out that basch is actually half mexican and half jewish and theat granddaughter, yes, of holocaust survivors. in the senate meanwhile, democrats are cheered by the fact that they have some surprisingly close like texas. so much so, and republicans believe that they have big pickup opportunities in places like florida, and west virginia, states the president carried big in 2016. tucker? >> tucker: ed henry. thanks, ed. congressman maxine waters is leading the democratic charge this fall and her weapon of choice is rage. in a speech last weekend she vowed that democrats would impeach not simply president trump, but once they finish doing that, vice president mike pence as well. >> this deplorable, despicable human being that occupies the white house should not be there. they say, maxine, please don't

say "impeachment" anymore. when they say that, i say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. when someone asks, what about mike pence? if you are able to impeach, mike pence will be worse. i said, one at a time. you knock one down and then we'll be ready and we'll take them, too. >> tucker: keep in mind if democrats win in two months,at maxine waters will be a committee chairman. mark penn, a pollster and strategist for bill clinton, joins us tonight. you spent a lot of time thinking about messages. he was in charge of the democratic message? >> that's a good question. there doesn't seem to be ain democratic message or republican message as we go into this, other than trump is no good and we have to put guardrails on him. i the democrats have gone too farr to the left, and that's what pass for a good message. >> tucker: if you were the democrats, wouldn't you look at the last election, and say, a lot of former democrats voted for trump because they felt left

behind by the economy. maybe we should try to end their votes back. no one seems to be doing that. why? >> i think this is going on in s individual races. maxine waters is talking to democratic base, voters who are 90% going to vote for the democratic column, and she's trying to stimulate turnout. that's not what is happening in real swing districts where i i think the battle between the candidates, a battle over the s health care issue that the democrats i think won handily. they put that front and center. there are some serious issuely debates out there but we don't really see them because they don't make the news.ee >> tucker: it seems to me, if you are watching at home, and there is a congressional race at home, you look at maxine waters, and say, i don't want anything to do with a party that puts her forward as a spokesperson. is that counterproductive? we have television and we can see what she is saying.

>> maxine waters is counterproductive for the overall democratic message which is not a key democratic leader. in fact, the republican leaders, mcconnell and ryan, ryan has quit but he didn't leave. mcconnell is intensely disliked. if you look at schumer and pelosi, within the party, they have the support of democrats in terms of what they want to do. republicans right now haveel and o leader outside of president trump. >> tucker: that is absolutely true. republicans do not like i paul ryan by and large. who will be the speaker of democrats win? >> l i think pelosi probably wil win in the first instance but don't think she'll continue to serve. i-- think there'll be a struggle behind the scenes. i think there is a problem solvers group that is looking to have some influence if it's close, in terms of changing the rules and naming the speaker. because remember, the speaker technically has to be elected by a majority vote of the house, not the majority vote of a caucus.er >> tucker: so you think pelosi will get it, if the democrats

win, pelosi will be elected speaker but then not to serve? >> i don't think she is going to serve through to the next election. my suspicions would be, she would get elected because she won, she turned the house, but between then and the next election, they would be a new speaker. i think that the democratic party is looking to have new blood and new leadership. the question is, where and who? >> tucker: last question. i mean there are a bunch of adults in the democratic party, i know them. they live near me. they seem afraid of the net the roots of democratic activists online who are way out of the left of where they have traditionally been. do they have the power and the well to stand up to those constituencies and say no? i'm sorry, we are not making this venezuela. no. are they intimidated? >> some do and some don't. remember, because of the caucuses in the democratic primaries, the activists have outsized power compared to the run-of-the-mill voter in big states.

itn is really most democratic voters. and so you see embarrassing performances like senator cory booker playing for the presidential race. but you look at what joe biden is doing and he tends to be pitching to the responsible center.to so far he has a great message and has shown that the best responsibility on the stump. >> tucker: mark penn, thank you so much for that. last night, we revealed an internal google email that showed how the company works behind the scene on behalf of the hillary clinton for president campaign in 2016. pretty shocking story. exclusive investigation and the ramifications continue next. ♪ kind of like playing your own version of best ball. because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter]

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hillary clinton win the election. today, republican lawmakers responded to thehe news. house majority leader kevin mccarthy tweeted this. "google claims to be fair but gave a silent donation to a left-wing group to stop trump. it is time for google to answer questions. an invite will be on its way." steve hilton hosts "the next revolution" on fox, he is the author of "positive populism." he joins us tonight. steve, google's behavior, google's existence, google's power raises real questions about whether you can have an actual democracy in the same country as google. do you think we can? >> not in its present form. that is right. you are so right to focus on it. what's interesting to me about the story, google wouldn't even consider this to be a political intervention. to them, the idea of a trump presidency is so unthinkable and unacceptable that working to block it is just regular, it's

like breathing to them. i don't even think they would stop to think this is inappropriate. the bigger point, the underlying point, is the dominance that google has come with a way that they dominate so much, as you have been describing for a long time now. so much of a conversation. there are two steps that we need to take. first of all, we need to actually require google to reverse the power grab it's already been made. it's built itself up by acquisition. it needs to sell youtube, sell android, these little bits of its empire it's acquired. we need to go a lot further. it's one of the things that i talk about in my book. a really radical antitrust agenda that president trump can take forward. incorporated about it, like teddy roosevelt. break up these big companies. we wouldn't mind so much about these accusations of bias and so on if there were 100 search t engines that people could choose between. but it's not like that. >> tucker: so that's the crux of it right there. you are hearing google, or you

have for the past ten years, google, facebook, and a number of these other companies defended on premarket grounds. "at least the government isn't censoring us --" as if there is a difference. but the monopoly changes it completely different. this is in the market at work. >> i think making this argument i'm talking about my book a lot, conservatives pushed back and say, we don't like the government regulating business. of course we don't. but antitrust action to force competition into a market, that is the antidote to regulation.it that is the exact way we avoid having to intervene in the exact behavior of individual companies. you have to have competition, so this is a pro-market argument. it's not just a google, but the way it's bought instagram and w what's up and so on, amaz, too. cloud services, the way it's getting into making its own

products and telling them and prioritizing that on its own website. all these ways in which of these companies are getting more and more documents. we got to stop it and that's a conservative argument, a pro-market argument. >> tucker: of course. this is not the capitalism i signed up for. this is not capitalism. this is the chinese model m transplanted to the united states. so quickly, we need to trust the algorithm. we need to trust that google search results are not being designed to favor one candidate or party over another. we have to because they control all human information. how do we trust them? >> one thing that i think would be very helpful would be to have transparency. some people have called for algorithms that are used by these companies and others that we haven't discussed to be made public. not all the details, there are commercial secrets in there, but to bee supervised. to have a board of independent algorithms and scrutineers, if you like.

we can try to get the public some sense of reassurance but you have to see that as a first step when you don't have any competition. i think really in the long run it's competition that is the real answer. >> tucker: of course it is. and congress waking up from it stuper finally, i hope. steve hilton, thank you very much. congrats in the book. good to seeu you. >> see you soon. >> tucker: evergreen state college in washington let a student mob take control of campus and threaten anyone who dissented. one year later, that decision has had a massive effect on then school. we have a pretty amazing update on that story for you, next. ♪ the same? that's why capital one is building something completely different. capital one cafés. welcoming places with people here to help you, not sell you. with savings and checking accounts with no fees or minimums. that are easy to open from right here or anywhere in 5 minutes. no smoke. no mirrors.

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if you think he sounds like a civil rights hero, you didn't go to evergreen. he had to flee the campus. the faculty in the school's president took the side of the mob. they ordered campus police to stand down while violent leftists trashed the campus. i'm not making this up, it's on tape. it caused thousands of dollars in damage and remarkably, remarkably, bewilderingly, they somehow blamed brett weinstein for the crisis. he never returned to campus, by the way. he n doesn't work there anymore. we cover this extensively on the show. tonight, a follow up to that story. according to an evergreen professor, the whole episode in effect destroy to the school. freshmen enrollment at evergreen has fallen to below 300 students this fall, 50% drop from two years ago. this has canceled the dorm renovation, cut the budget and announced layoffs unfortunately not of the president. if he keeps moving in this

direction, evergreen will closen for once, a happy ending. brown university is censoring a scientific study by one of its own research is because political activists don't like it.if in a paper published earlier this month, a tenured professor found that t teenagers who wanto switch genders are often influenced, not surprisingly, by friends and social media, like all young people are. the study was solid enough to be picked up by a reputable scientific journal. there was a press release promoting the study. but then activists descended. they were offended by the conclusions of the study. not because the conclusions were wrong, no one argued they were wrong, but because the conclusions were ideological inconvenient and therefore, unacceptable. they demanded the data be suppressed and remarkably, brown caved to their demands. the university yanked the press release and apologized for sending it in the first place. this is not really about brown. this is what it looks like when reason itself dies. politics trump'sab science and

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in light to ground zero >> tucker: taking a look at live pictures from the tribute in light to ground zero in new york city. today marks the anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks. in the 17 years since, america has not mercifully faced another attack like it, or so we thought. senator angus king wants you to know that america remains under attack from a threat every bit as sinister as jihadis. misleading russian facebook ads. that is what threatens us. watch. >> i could argue the beginning of this continues today. they used airplanes in towers, now people can use the click of a computer key in russia to attack. it's an attack that continues and it does the same kind of attack that occurred in 2001. >> tucker: it's hard to know how to respond or something like that. only a person completely cut ofy from reality, someone who lives

full-time in a tiny airless world of before allow dumb people could enter utter thoses without turning red with shame. russian ms. chief in the last election was nothing like 9/11. only angus king and his friends think it was. it is worth thinking about what the real threats to america or after 17bu years, 17 years after the towers fell. russia's not even a a top ten. islamic extremism and doesn't seem mildly less threatening for the first time in a long time. let's hope that remains true. the real threats we face today may be from within.ho leaders who hate the country that they govern so much that they seek to make american citizenship irrelevant. massive tech monopolies at war with our most basic constitutional rights and winning, and a ruling class of selfish they make robber barons look like altruists.se they yield more power than our elected representatives. these are real trends toward democracy.y. people who live in this country already know that because it's obvious, maybe that's why they are yelling so loudly about russia so you won't think about it. america has changed a lot in the

past 17 years. since 9/11, brit hume has been here the whole time. he is fox's senior political analyst and he's been tracking changes to american culture and politics over that period. brit, thanks for coming on. it does seem like it's a very different country from the one before 9/11. how was it changed? >> i think it is in some ways, and in some ways it is not. certainly when 9/11 happened, i will bet you that you, like me, thought this was just the beginning, that further such attacks were undoubtedly comingu and lord knows how many in in number and we really haven't had that, and that is a testament to the success of the government, really, and us as a nation, and hardening ourselves as a target and going after terrorists overseas, trying to knock them out where they live and where they start. i think it was so successful in fact that life got back in terme

of the political atmosphere, which was t very unified, if you remember. it got back to normal. we are a deeply divided nation and people are flinging all kinds of wild things across the barricades at one another. for a sensible a man as angus king, you said he came from a bubble, but he is from maine. he's a very sensible guy. disagree with some issues, but he may be talking to his hat. it is absurd what he said, the russian attempt to hack the election is the same as 2001. he said, we heard it. this sort of thing is regrettable, and i think the divisions in the country worry me as much as they have anything else. >> tucker: did you ever think, since you covered the cold war

for a long time, and the fall of the soviet union, did you ever think you would fall public opinion showing that a huge percentage of young people prefer socialism to our system? >> i did not. i think it is a regrettable commentary on our educational system. first of all american history isn't taught in the way it used to be.on it is taught in a very different way and in some cases, not taught at all. in american history and world history would bring students back in the day into a familiarity with the systems that have been tried or persisted throughout history and those who have tries and those who have not. socialism and its cause and communismn have failed virtually everywhere they have been tried, and venezuela being only the most recent conspicuous example. the fact that socialism seems to have an attraction for a significant number of our upcoming generation is troubling. and i think we can point the finger at the way that history and other issues are being taught in our schools and colleges for that. >> tucker: do you think it will pass? >> well, i hope so.. i have to say, tucker, you knowd

i love you but when we were talking about the leaders who hate our country, i don't thinku there are any leaders out there that hate our country except in foreign lands, perhaps. i think people have the wrong ideas about how it should be governed, but i don't think they hate our country. and i don't think it strengthens the case to say they do. >> tucker: though, i think they do. if you have the richest people in our country desecrating our national symbols and that's considered a sign of heroism, what does that say about the attitudes of the people doing it? or if you have people saying that america was never a just and good place, those are acts of hostility toward the country i think. >> they are criticism. whether they are actual acts of hostility i must be permitted to doubt. >> tucker: [laughs] >> i think that people have some profoundly wrong ideas about the direction that this country ought to go and the critique of america as it is is wrong. i just don't think it rises to the level of saying, they hate our country. >> tucker: i hope you are right.

>> i think the word "hate" is flung around with much too much abandon in our discourse today. >> tucker: if i hated a country, i would open its doors to anyone who wanted to come here and demand nothing in return. that's how i would act. so maybe i'm just projecting. if i loved a country, i would treat it like i treat my own house and its citizens like my own children, but i don't think they do that. maybe i'm reading too much. i hope you're right. >> i have a lot of them a lot of agreement with you including immigration. but i must say, there are people who deeply love this country who think that it has been profoundly strengthened by the inflow of immigrants who have contributed so much and they would argue continue to do so. so flinging the doors open, i think that may be an unwanted policy to have almost an open border strategy, but i don't think it means that you hate the country to have that. >> tucker: it does when you say -- i experience is all the time -- if it makes the country

better, tell me how? they say, america has no right to turn people downn because of sins that we have committed in other countries. it's punishment. i think it's hatred. >> i completely agree with you there. it's utter nonsense. and i would also say tucker, in defense of what you've been saying about this question about how diversity is our strength, that is repeated constantly to the point where it's kind of a cliche and there is a lot of can't about it. and i think you were entirely within your rights to take that on. and make the case. >> tucker: [laughs] i think you should be allowed to ask questions. >> i agree. >> tucker: not everyone does. washington once again gearing up for a strike on syria. why are they? is it good for the country, and should we be on board? that's next. ♪ once-daily toujeo® helps you control your blood sugar.

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>> tucker: for the third time in fewer than two years the united states is gearing up to drop bombs in syria. this time, as in the last times it is in response to alleged chemical attacks by the assad regime. in this case on rebels in the italy project. the big question is why the united states should be involved in this at all. it's not an endorsement of anything, but a sincere question.yt more than 10,000 rebels in that province are believed to be allied with al qaeda. that would mean that 17 years after 9/11 america could soon find itself bombing a country to protect al qaeda 1 sympathizers. why would we do that? foreign policy expert for barack obama's presidential campaign and he joins us tonight to explain. it's great to see you. >> good to see you, tucker. >> tucker: so two april's in a row we've bombed syria in response to chemical attacks about which we still don't know a lot and rather than have a debate with you about who's lying and how much we know, let's just for the sake of argument pretend that we can

take at face value k these reports, which we can't, why would this be in america's interest to bomb a government for attacking al qaeda sympathizers? >> remember that the two attacks in the trump administration that you referred to in april 2017 and april 2018 were in response to the use of chemical weapons by assad. this third attack, which then u.s. and our allies are preparing for, though not necessarily are going to do, would be to deter assad from again using chemical weapons. jim jeffries, president trump's envoy to syria said last thursday that there is lots of evidence that assad is preparing to use chemical again.s and what's important is that we have to enforce the chemical weapons -- >> tucker: can i stop you there? i want to make sure i understand this. you said that we bombed syria twice to deter assad from using chemical weapons but he still doing it but we think bombing him a third time will prevent

him from doing it a fourth time because why? >> he would have done it a lot more had we not done that and it's clear that every time the u.s. uses force, assad backs off. the one thing that assad and his partners in syria, russia and iran fear is u.s. use of force. that's what they fear. >> tucker: i'm so confused. i know i'm not a certified foreign policy expert, just aa dump lead trying to keep up with this, but you just saidid that you are claiming and the government is complaining he again used chemical weapons but again, i don't understand, we didn't deter him apparently because he still doing it. so why do we think this time uwill determine? >> i didn't say he had used them. what i said is that intelligence reports accordingl to the trump administration suggest he has preparing to use them and we need to deter that. what you are saying is just because -- he's indicating he is you going to use them again means it didn't help. what the evidence shows is every time we've used force in syria, assad backs off and he

backed off in april of 2018. he backed off in april 2017. we have to enforce a chemical weapons ban because of chemical weapons can be used in syria without any punishment01 they will be used in other places and ultimately they will bes used here in the u.s. this is a priority also for u.s. security. >> tucker: right. there's a lot of propaganda around this question, but they were used by saddam against iran and we were aware of that, we did nothing because we are approved of the aim, which was of course to defeat iran,, whih he did not achieve, by the way. you know as well as i, let's stop attending, this is all preparatory to some sort off movement against iran. this is about iran. if iran didn't support syria we wouldn't be considering this. why can't people be honest and say we want to have a war with iran, you may may not be for it but we want to have it but they are lying about it, aren't they? >> i don't agree with you -- iu do agree -- this also has the benefit of pushing back against iran, which is highly involved

in syria which has militia that is supporting in syria. that's a positive of this but that's not the only reason. when president obama enforced -- failed to enforce the red line at 2013, a mistake by president obama, it wasn't because iran was there, it was because he should have done it to prevent assad from using chemical weapons. >> tucker: we are out of time, david. i hope you will come back onic this question, good to see you. hurricane florence growing in strength and heading straight for the carolinas. it has become a category four storm, sustained winds of 140 miles an hour expecting to make landfall as soon as late thursday. a state of emergency has been declared throughout the carolinas, virginia, maryland, and the district of columbia. more than a million people have already been told to evacuate. obviously we will be following this life to the very end. stay with fox for that. that's it for us tonight. tune in tomorrow night and every night to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and

groupthink. things that need enemies. have a terrific night, we will see you tomorrow. in the meantime, if you don't have plans tonight, may i suggest staying right where you are in keeping the dial on fox, because sean hannity is live from new york city. >> sean: hannity is next, great big breaking news today. that would be better. tucker, great job.t, >> tucker: cancel your plans! >> sean: everybody is welcome into our j house. we love that you are here, thank you for joining us. two dated march the 17th anniversary of the september 11th, 2001, attacks on this country. this morning president trump, he visited shanksville,ry pennsylvania, where a new monument has been erected for those brave passengers, the crew of flight 93. remember, let's roll? they fought back, ultimately crashing that plane into a remote field and coming up tonight we will show you the president's powerful remarks earlier in pennsylvania and it is the sixth anniversary of what was the horrific benghazi terror attack and obama is trying to say that was a conspi