split our broadcast tomorrow, friday, saturday. hoping for the best. you'll see folks on-camera, a lot of folks that you will not see behind camera working really hard to help bring the story. >> important to cover it, thank you for doing that. outnumbered starts right now. >> fox news alert on the beast of a hurricane, barrelling straight for the carolinas. people have been warned to prepare for the worst and it could be long-lasting because of all of the rain. leave nothing to chance is what authorities are telling people on the ground. you're watching "outnumbered," i'm harris faulkner. melissa francis, town hall contributor katie pavlich, democrat strategist jessica tarlove, and the center seat, chairman of the american conservative union and former white house political director for president george w. bush, matt schlaff, outnumbered. >> great to be here. >> harris: we'll do some on the

storm and it has a political element, declarations of states of emergency have been put into place. we'll get your expertise in a moment. more than a million people in three states ordered to evacuate their homes. as the southeast coast, the midsection of the east coast for the first time in decated is bracing for this size of a storm, hurricane florence. the massive category four is set to bring torrential rainfall, catastrophic flooding, gale force winds, governors are saying landscape and life changing type of response because of the rainfall. florence could be the most powerful hurricane to hit the carolinas since haze 8. -- hazel. as we watch the map on the left, in 1953, was the last time that it got this big and this close for this long as we are watching it. it was life changing, it was definitely landscape changing then. 15,000 buildings lost to that

storm and dozens of lives. we now have live team coverage, mike emanuel in washington on the federal response to this storm. meteorologist adam plotz in the fox extreme weather center. you have gotten an update, what is it? >> still a strong storm. likely still intensifying over the course of today before beginning to slowly weaken, harris. florence still a large one, winds at 130 miles an hour, category 4. we are getting to get closer and closer to the coast. begin to see an impact likely tomorrow. here is the strak, very defined track. pay attention to how it slows done. this will be a big part of the story. that slowdown means we will have more time for wind, more time for rain, more time for storm surge, unfortunately. all of the problems could get worse because of this slowdown. as far as winds actually arriving that, looks like tropical force winds get there on thursday evening, running into early friday morning. everything in the red, are

hurricane force winds, beginning to linger there across portions of north carolina, stretching down into sex. -- stretching into south carolina. looks like it'll stall out to the coast. takes it right to the coast, again, taking it to the coast on friday, lingering into saturday, into sunday, so some of these areas getting battered by the wind for 48 hours. the rain continues to fall. it becomes more of a problem before eventually moving its way inland in the next couple of days f you begin to hang around in these locations that's when you see the numbers really pile up. the best case scenario, the stall, you see it stall off the coast and the heaviest rain to sea. we can't promise that will happen, we're already seeing with this forecast model place is a long the north carolina coast, 25 to 30ches in of rain. widespread behind it getting up to 10 to 12 inches of rain, enough to cause flooding on top

of the storm surge bring mg in a whole lot of water. we currently see the hurricane warnings from the middle of south carolina stretching through north carolina, i wouldn't be surprised, harris, if this grows a little further south in the next day or so. >> harris: it's the rainfall and you and i were on the air last year as it was happening in houston and they had their first person to perish in all of that. the caution here is about people preparing for long-term departure from their homes. the rainfall knocks out the utilities, the trees begin to fall, the evacuations still very important even if this just picks up a lot of water from the ocean. i want to give you the last comment. >> well, you are right. because this is going to spin off the coast for so long. it's not necessarily like you are going to be through the hurricane on friday and back on saturday. might not be until monday or tuesday until people return. >> harris: adam, appreciate it,

always the update comes to you as the news warrants. >> as we track the path of this massive hurricane, president trump says the federal government anticipates the destruction the storm will bring and his administration is taking the necessary precautionary steps. that includes relaxing trucking rules to prevent fuel and electricity shortages. but even as florence bears down on the east coast, the president faces new criticism over the response to hurricane maria which devastated puerto rico last year. for more on that and the government's preparation, let's get to mike emanuel in the washington bureau. >> good afternoon. federal officials warn about the dangers of life threatening storm surge and flash flooding in the carolinas when hurricane florence makes landfall. >> this going to be, you know, a mike tyson punch to the carolina coast then it'll have very heavy rains, that, as steve alluded to, it's going to stall. we're looking at inland

flooding, looking at coastal storm surge, looking at all of the hazards that the storm of this magnitude will take. >> the sielz of florence is alarming as is the strength, with 130-mile-an-hour winds and substantially higher wind gusts. a stalled or hovering storm with major rainfall could create serious flooding and other dangers. the red cross says preparation is key. >> we'd like to encourage all residents to, number one, have a plan, know what you're going to do ahead of time, don't wander about aimlessly and take off and not know where you're going to go and where you seek refuge. >> with people gassing up to get out, fuel supplies run short, the federal government is easing the rules to allow them to distribute their fuel to the region more quickly than usual. state officials say danger could last for some time. >> understand that the rain may last for days and not hours. and this may be a marathon not a

sprint. this storm threatens life. >> today, president trump is urging people in the path of the storm to take action in a hurry. >> president trump: get out of its way, don't play games with it. it's a big one. maybe as big as they've seen. and tremendous amounts of water. the storm will come, it will go, we want everybody to be safe. >> the president is taking some heat for praising the handling of hurricane maria last year. senate democratic leader chuck schumer writing this is an offensive, hurtful, aid blatantly false comment from the president. nearly 3,000 fellow citizens died in puerto rico following hurricane maria, the complete opposite of success. the warnings for this storm, florence, are it will defly inf infrastwruk tur and homes and knock out power in the hard esh9 hit area.

>> melissa: thank you. matt, when he made that comment you knew it would bring the ire of different people to be sure. comparing apples to oranges. the infrastructure in puerto rico was decrepid, the bond problems, it was causing this to be held together with duct tape and bubble gum. at the same time to say it was a success, after everything that happened, sounds like kookie talk. >> it's hard to separate weather there politics. what is great is people in the states need to listen to the governors, listen to their local officials. when it comes to weather, they're on the front line. it's not the federal government. we see the federal government, we think they can solve everything and they can't. it's first responders that save people's lives. the first thing you have to do is listen to them. when it comes to the politics of weather we can go through it. but it's unfortunate. for. 4 hours, could chuck schumer and the people on my side, try to

take care of the storm, take care of the victims, let's not try to turn night a political win. i fear that that will be impossible to make happen. >> melissa: katie, you know, we heard on our air this idea of people in north and south carolina saying they've never seen preparation complete. it's putting the resources in place. the storm is horrible, of course, but the aftermath is so tough when you see people who can't get fuel and don't have energy, you feel like my god, someone help them. it's about where you are ahead of time. >> always things to learn about every single one of these storms. each one is different. hurricane sandy in new york, new jersey is much different than the hurricane harvey we saw in houston. and the local responsibilities is crucial. that is such an important point. not only before with the preparation, but with the response and the aftermath. houston had a different response in the aftermath of people coming, driving on the mainland to deliver supplies. puerto rico, they had 4,000

crates of medical supplies, food, water, sitting in a port because of the infrastructure that failed and was there weren't drivers available to get the supplies then to people who needed them. bottom line, is that this is a storm, storm-caused catastrophes, things you can't foresee, they shut down roads, infrastructure, power, and it can be for a long time. being prepared, leaving when you are told to, is the only way that you can get out of it alive. then hopefully be able to rebuild once the storm is over. >> it's too early for headlines, you look at the "washington post," the op ed about president trump saying another hurricane is about to batter our coast. trump is complicit. it goes on to talk about climate change. and he said, if you read a little bit further, it says, he continues to dismantle efforts to address the risk of climate change. it's hard to attribute any

single weather event to climate change. of course. there's no reasonable doubt humans are priming the earth's systems to prowls disasters. is it too early, as people, the storm hasn't hit yet. >> i'm not sure. i think we are able to have all of these conversations and i appreciate your analysis, you're completely correct it is easy to get to houston than puerto rico. it is important to discuss what we can do as humans on this planet to ensure that the next shorns that is bubbling up isn't as strong, it has to do with warming waters. politicizing this, if president obama had called what happened in puerto rico a success under his watch the republican party would have exploded. you know that and i know it. completely inappropriate. he maintains the death toll was 16. he moved $10 million from fema to i.c.e. that money is about the local responsibilities on the state level. but federal dollars are allocated. he should not be taking them and

moving them to other departments where we well may need them so that jeff sessions can rn around rounding up illegal aliens. we need the money to be focused on south carolina and north carolina and the president is at fault. >> melissa: you want to respond, matt? >> i appreciate. that the fact that this is an emergency, there will be no restraint on any federal money that is needed. once again it goes, and passes through to the local and state authorities. there will not be a dollar left unspent. the money you a talking about is to make sure that we kept families together when they crossed the border illegally. >> after the kids were in cages? >> obama cages. after the kids, after the democrats led the charge on trying to keep the families together once again. there won't be a dollar left unspent to make sure we have the infrastructure to uphold the immigration laws. >> the money thing, the money is important. but just dumping money without any accountability also causes problems. two mayors in puerto rico and another government official were

arrested for corruption and misusing funds. you know -- >> harris: i've never seen a congress that we liked or didn't like who didn't know how to spend money. >> right. >> harris: i don't think that will be the issue. but the political optics, and i know people hate that word, but it is what it is. when the president focuses on the open manies which are the things that -- apples, the potential things that went right, he doesn't take into account in his comments at the time when he spoke yesterday, all of the things that failed. we have not gotten hard numbers on how many people died but we know it is way north of what we thought it was. and there must be some sort of scientific forensic evidence of that. and so let's not even doubt the families that have lost loved ones. support them. we can do all of these things simultaneously. and by the way, after talking with some of these lt. governors and governors in the midsection east coast states, they are as ready as they feel like they

need to be. they are the experts. we've learned with every single storm. from harvey, we learned that rain can punish you and make you lose your house just like wind. so we have respect for that. with each storm, we get ready in a different way. when it rains 40 inches on your house, it's a disaster. it seems to be that they've moved as many people as possible away from that and told them to sustain for several weeks if needed. lt. governor dan forrest of north carolina told me that yesterday. i think back to obama, everybody thought he would fix everything, he was the next thing coming. then they look at thpt and think he's broken everything because he was the next thing coming. we have to get off this and get to the issues. we are better than this as americans. we can do this. i'm done. >> melissa: i like it. harris, thank you. while the trump administration prepares for hurricane florence, it is also working to secure your vote in the upcoming mid-term elections. the president expected to sign

an executive order that could ensure foreigners who meddle in the democratic process pay a lefty price. but shd the administration take action without congress and how will lawmakers respond?

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>> the trump administration rolling out a new plan to prevent foreign interference the elections. president trump planning to sign an executive order slapping sanctions on any foreign entities interfering in the elections. some lawmakers say it by passes congress which is also working to address the issue by passing legislation like the deter act. matt, i'm going to you first on this. >> well, my confidence in congress with the simple majority kneed in the senate is a little low. [laughing] totally in the president's purview, i love it. they all acted like he colluded with russia, now he's taking steps on make sure that we can could everything possible to prevent this type of kind of, you know, getting into our election process. people are going to consider it sides him because he isn't waiting for congress. don't wait for congress to do a dang thing, america.

>> melissa: i don't trust them to do anything, i'm with you. >> the keyword is that is any adversary interfering. not just russia, also focusing on the chinese, anybody else -- >> north koreans. >> interference is defined as hacking attempts against election infrastructure, efforts to sway public opinion through digital propaganda and solicit private information. they're learning lessons from 2016 and applying them to the new executive order. >> melissa: in the financial news community we have been aware of this for a long time. companies get attacked, banks get attacked probably millions of times per day. everybody is investing a lot of money in cyber security, they look to the government has really good defense and good infrastructure as far as the business community. we do better and need to. i think i had an interesting conversation with neil degrass tyson, one of those people respected, having space-related.

he was talking about a space force and why that does make sense from a defense point of view because of the satellite and the gps and how much we can get knocked out. we also need a cyber force. that we haven't taken that seriously enough. with all of the finger pointing around the russia collusion one thing that could come out of it that would be positive, is this idea that we now all really agree, what an enormous threat that is and we need to get serious. >> are democrats going to give the president credit for this, jessica, and are they going to try to work with him to implement some of the executive order initiatives that he's trying to push through? [laughing] this has been your narrative for two years. >> she said no, katie. >> is the narrative going to change on the collusion effort, no chance. with the deter act have by tart partisan support, congressional representatives backing us and it does go further than the executive order. can you do both. i think as many powers out there

that can be forcefully pushing bab against election meddling, i like that this covers russia, we know that russia subverts western powers through a lot of chapels, go through iran, syria, north korea, especially after reports that they're not denuclearizing. they're good hackers themselves. i would love if it is a multi pronged approach. the days of a democrat patting them on the back and saying thanks for the executive order are long gone eight weeks out from the election. >> harris: i want to ask you, matt, you do a huge event every year, cpac, and you talk about these issues. and you have leaders on the stage. and i know you also have a huge digital footprint for that event. because you have those leaders in your constellation you have to protect them and their advices and everything else. this is a big issue. i'm just curious, what those conversations have yielded in your experience?

>> we interact with a lot of the big technology companies and the big platforms. a lot of them under attack these days. under attack overseas but they're also under attack in the political context, are they doing enough. i have a simple idea, we think the government has to solve everything. i'd like to bring the tech companies together. i belt there's simple solutions, like you said the financial companies. there's pretty simple solution 245s we partner with states and localities, it's their constitutional obligation. i bet these companies can solve this problem. i don't think we should look for congress to solve it. the president is a good thing for him to pull them together and women, and say, okay, how do we secure the fact that our election systems won't be meddled with. as far as them meddling with google and facebook and everything else, that's been overblown. we want to make sure these systems, computers that tabulate the votes can't be tampered with. >> and education. people, up and coming, need to take care of the future. >> and jobs. >> jobs, yes.

we're tracking a potentially catastrophic hurricane as the category 4 storm barrels toward the east coast. one north carolina congressman, whose district could take a direct hit joins to us talk about how his state is blasing for impact. mitch mcconnell warning republicans they could ooze the majority in the senate come november. is this serious or motivating tactic to get voters to the polls?

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florence. that massive storm on track to hit the carolinas early friday. officials are now pleading with people along the coast to seek safer ground. joining me is republican congressman david rouser of north carolina. he represents the state's seventh district, which is right along that coastline where the

storm is expected to hit. great to see you today, congressman. and i use the word pleading with people, we thought they were all gone. there are always those holdouts, and that makes your job more difficult. how are things going? well, first of all thank you for the invitation to be with you, harris. i see my friend, matt schlapp is the thorn among the roses. >> oh! [ laughing ] >> we are preparing for the worst here, obviously. and we've not seen a storm like this since hurricane hazel in 1954. my father told me the other day, that he has vivid memories of that storm. he was about 9 years old. the fact of the matter is, i'm afraid that this storm is going to linger right around wilmington, looks like it'll head further southwest than we anticipated. but the flooding has the potential to be absolutely just devastating. keep in mind, in 2016, we had

hurricane matthew come through, and we still have a lot of folks throughout my congressional district and all throughout along the south carolina line there, in particular, other districts as well, there are still suffering from the flooding of matthew. >> harris: i'm very familiar with that state. we lived, fort bragg, stationed there. my first television market was in washington-new bern, one much those areas along the coastline. the infrastructure those years ago was suspect. i know you spent a lot of money in your state and tried to pull along. you mention 2016 with hurricane matthew, that infrastructure takes a punishing beating. 40 inches of rain they're measuring in feet in some areas, what does that do to the structures in your state? >> well, any time you have a massive flooding, it shows you all of the weak spots of your infrastructure. certainly, we saw it during the course of hurricane matthew and the aftermath of the flooding

there. the town of fair bluff in columbus county was completely totally wiped out. i expect the flooding to be just as significant and severe there if not more so this time around. and one thing i think is really important, folks need to heed the warnings to leave the area if at all possible. they still have time. i have friends that have chosen to stay, i have friends that have chosen to leave, i've told them all and i'll tell them publicly now as i have in other settings, i really think folks should move out and get to a much safer place. as this storm lasts, for 48, 72 hours, however long, right there over well ming ton, the flooding is going to be absolutely massive. the storm surge is going to be unbelievable. and, again, we have not seen a storm like this in our part of the country since hurricane hazel of 1954. and that storm was legendary in terms of the damage inflicted.

and keep in mind we didn't have near the population center then, in southeastern north carolina that we do now, particularly on the coast. >> harris: good point. i have to say when you call out your friends publicly you get their attention i imagine, when your friend is congressman rouser. proving forward, it could be days and weeks before you get infrastructure and utilities up and running, buildings open that can help out. you know there's been criticism about how much federal help you're getting. can you just tell me right now, if you have everything you need and just maybe clap back at that if you'd like? >> well, first of all this is a combined effort at the local, state, federal level. we have conference calls every single day with fema. the trump administration, everything is hands on deck. also thank all of my colleagues that reached out to me who have endured these disasters in recent years. so many have reached out, i haven't had a chance to get back to them all. i appreciate their sincere

thoughts and prayers and offer to help including sending folks to the district, once this hurricane moves o we're going to have a tremendous amount of damage. we have got a great folks in the district and throughout the state, in terms of the infrastructure, with duke energy, all of the electric cooperatives, working hand in hand. i was, yesterday, i was at the wilmington emergency management center there. the director told his crowd, he said, look, we've been preparing for this type of storm for five years, let's execute. it's among us. we have great men and women on the ground who are doing everything possible to protect the citizenry. but there's a lot that they can do themselves to protect themselves. and number one is move out of the way of the storm if at all possible. if you have another place to go, please go. >> harris: our hearts go out to the people who have been evacuated. we don't talk about the

financial burden that can put if you are in a hotel longer than you thought you would be, whatever. it's time for americans to pull together and help those families if this lingers on as it's predicted to do. we heedted call as americans. that you have called upon us. congressman rouser -- >> not only that, harris, it's important for folks to understand power may be out two to three weeks f the flooding is as severe as it could be, as i expect it to be f that storm lingers, over the coastline. all of that water is going to be pushing in, it has nowhere to go. we have had a fairly wet summer in many parts of the district and this part of the state. the flooding could be really, really significant and severe. i really encourage folks to heed the call of the local officials. if you have a better place you can move to, please go. there are a number of shelters that have opened up. all hands on deck. no question about that. >> harris: we heed the call across america, there are things

we can do to help out. if that's necessary. congressman rouser from the great state of north carolina getting ready, thank you. >> absolutely, great to be with you. >> harris: we will continue to monitor hurricane florence and the preparations for the mass storm, next hour on outnumbered overtime i'll talk with david paulson, former fema chief under george w. bush. the president responded to hurricane katrina, a lot of lessons learned. we'll talk about it. >> melissa: another former president wading into the mid-term battle. president george w. bush set to hit the campaign trail to stump for gop congressional candidates in florida and texas. while majority leader mitch mcconnell warns republicans it will be a battle to maintain control of the senate with neck and neck races in a number of states. take a listen. >> all of them, too close to call. every one of them like a knife

fight in an ally. a brawl. every one of those places. >> melissa: a knife fight in an ally, what an image, matt. >> interesting metaphor. president bush, one of the things i've respected most about the former bush presidents, when their time was done they receded, made a difference in society but didn't make it all about them. i like that. >> melissa: at all. >> i like the fact he waited a long time. he's going to weigh in, he also knows he's a strong republican, believes it's important to hold down the majority. as far as senator mcconnell, he's right. there's a lot of trump supporters who came out and voted for president trump who aren't that republican. they don't like a lot of things republicans do in congress f they stay home, there's no question that the house can be lost and the democrats could pick it up. jump ball in the house. we'll pick up about two seats, republicans will in the senate,

three public an seats are tied. it all will depend on turnout and mcconnell is smart to raise that issue. >> melissa: katie? . you have tall players, some people who are short can jump high. certainly something you have to -- >> melissa: i feel a game coming on. >> are you tacking some one? >> i am not. [laughing] i'm saying i can't jump high but i was taller with the jump because when i played basketball. the house is going to be difficult for sure. the senate, i'm pretty confident in. mcsally in arizona is looking good, that was a race a little dicey there. there's new polls out showing that she is pulling ahead. we have a long way to go, right, we have a month and a half before election day. anything can happen. again, as i've been saying for almost a year now, republicans can't take advantage of any seat. we lost a seat in alabama, the reddest state in the country, to a democrat. mitch mcconnell is good to warn about it, republicans have to get out and encourage the

democrat trump voters to get out and vote for the trump en, not just congressional republicans they may disagree with. >> i have a greater analysis, i'm taller than you. i was terrible at the jump because. the house, i think, about 75% odds it goes democrat. i haven't heard that many republicans saying that the senate, they could lose the senate. i expect a couple of pickups for republicans, actually, in the senate. judge kavanaugh, the news is good for democrats, doesn't seem they're being pressured as hard to vote for his confirmation, it's about 38%, 39% tied. >> not in north dakota or west virginia. >> right, but better for clare mccaskill, joe manchin, who i think will vote for him in the end. senate, i assume you will be having it still. >> melissa: lots of time to go. the lawyer for fired fbi agent peter strzok going toe-to-toe over newly revealed text messages about a, quote, media leak strategy. why republicans aren't buying

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>> the lawyer for peter strzok firing back after congressman mark meadows saying stekts spoke of a media leak strategy against president trump. strzok's lawyer says those words refer to a doj initiative to

stop likes to the media and not the sinister plot meadows suggests. congressman jim jordan says that explanation doesn't pass the smell test and if it was part of an anti-leak strategy it definitely failed. watch. >> the argument of mr. strzok doesn't hold water and doesn't pass the smell test. he said we will stop trump. he's the same person that said trump should lose 100 million to zero. their bias was clear from the earlier text messages. >> who do you believe, matt, peter strzok or congressman meadows. i don't believe people that say you can smell trump support where is you go to your local store that, upset me. and i think that kind of elitism and snobbery and your belief can you get away with everything. what mark meadows, a true patriot, reminds us, he is a man, and i use the term loosely, said we will stop him, right? now we're seeing efld of the

tactics they were using to stop him. and this lawyer is trying to say they might have been trying to stop him but they weren't using any tactics to stop him. first of all why does he have to have a lawyer? if he was just doing his job like every other fbi agent, just tell the american people what you did. the reason they can't tell the american people what they did, what they did was illegal, seriously illegal, and jeff sessions, rod rosenstein, and everybody else over there, there is a crisis at the fbi. we've talked about it for way too long. solve this problem, get rid of these people, 99% of the people in the fbi are wonderful, patriotic, tall limited people prochlt moat them. >> harris: i have to step in with breaking news, on topic. according to new communications between the former lovers, peter strzok and lisa pain at the fbi, former employees, obtained exclusively by fox news, new text messages seem to show that

others, were and this is a quote, leaking like mad in the runup to the trump-russia collusion investigation. again, that's accord himself to communications between strzok and page obtained by fox news exclusively. leaking like mad. >> melissa: i don't know how else you interpret article is out, well done, page. that's really straightforward. what strikes me, they don't trust the system in which they're working. the fbi is the one that's supposed to be doing the investigation. they don't trust the outcome enough to let it play out, they need to leak? because they don't feel like their own bosses and their own infrastructure is going to do the right thing. or are they trying to, is there more at work there. they think the outcome isn't going to be what they want? >> harris: a lengthy exchange dated december 15, 2016, appears to reveal potential leak operation for political purposes. remind me to tell you tomorrow

about the times doing a story about mchacks is what page texted to strzok. more than they did? i told you quinn told me they're pulling out all of the stops on some stories, strzok replied. melissa has a point, how else do you take these things? >> what the lawyer is saying, and earn blake has a good piece in the "washington post," he's explaining the other part of the side, what the lawyer is saying. >> harris: but this is new. >> yes, we just heard it on air, need a few minutes to talk about it. it seems like the i.g. report from michael horowitz came out and did not find wrongdoing on peter strzok --. not true, absolutely not true. anybody who read that i.g. report knew what he was saying. he found no evidence that they had taken any measures to stop trump presidency. >> not correct. >> i believe it is. >> not correct. >> anyway, so in 2012 peter

strzok working at the doj was in charge of an anti-leak measure, i don't know what you call it. jeff sessions in 2017 came out very strongly against likes. that's part of the argument that his lawyer -- >> harris: isn't there irony in a man who has these types of text messages leading anti-leak efforts? >> melissa: i would make the final point, peter strzok continues to splap why he -- what something was differently, what it appears, lisa page testified under oath what he said in those messages was what they were trying to do. >> under pressure in the battle over judge kavanaugh's procedure, susan collins calls for efforts to raise money for her next opponent a drive, on the receiving end of vicious and vulgar phone calls. her critics have crossed the line and what it says about today's politics? does this map show the

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>> melissa: senator susan collins won't be suede by crowd funding aimed at getting her to vote no on judge kavanaugh's nomination. groups have pledged more than $1 million if she puts to put kavanaugh on the supreme court.

the senator is up for re-election in 2020. this comes as collins' office has been on the receiving end of abusive and vulgar phone calls. messages so ugly, we can't repeat them on air here. as pro-choice activists sent 3,000 coat hangers to her office. wow. i mean, matt, this is -- saying, in the go fund me campaign, they won't charge the credit card until she votes yes on kavanaugh. then they charge the credit cards to fund the campaign of the opponent. >> part of this demonstrates that the supreme court is the epicenter of all of our politics which is exactly not what the founders wanted it to be. it is what it is. finally, the republicans have woken up to the fact that this is the most important type of bat that we face politically. as far as kavanaugh, i served with him, in the bush administration, he's one of the most well qualified, likable, talented lawyers we could ask to serve our nation.

he's going to get confirmed. and any democrat whoness a red state who stands in his way, or acts like those games that they played at the hearing, there's political consequences. i disagree with jessica on the numbers on this. i think democrats who are running for the senate, even for the house even though they don't have a role, a lot of americans looking at the way the sdem krats have played -- democrats have played this. they don't look like a majority party. they look like a bunch of children. there was a time when dpem cat senators -- democrat senators would ask nominees tough questions on issues and that disappeared. >> one thing that's lost in the kavanaugh hearings, they were so lengthy and a lot of fanfare during the questioning period, were the character backing of judge kavanaugh. and one of those women who did that was lisa black. she's a feminist blib liberal, one of the best lawyers on the liberal side, hillary clinton voter.

talked about merritt garland and the treatment he got, then talked about judge kavanaugh being qualified are the bench. there are people who have worked with him as you have who are on the opposite side of the political spectrum, this. and republicans in general who backed him on character and clagfications. that -- cllfications. . justice kagan hired him to teach. >> harris: some of the people who worked for him, politically different, are with him. susan collins saying he could have lied, but that's irrespective of politics. >> i was there when some of these things were raised. there were all kinds of offices that dealt with, including the office i was in, that dealt with raising names for openings, political jobs, including judges and u.s. attorneys, jobs at hud and hhs and everywhere across the government. didn't mean you were the person in charge of that. the council's office was separated in a way where it was regional.

and it would be other members of that staff who would have taken the lead on these types of issues. because you were in the white house counsel's office it's unfair to say you were some charge of all of the policy and personnel decisions. >> melissa: we have to go to break. more outnumbered in a moment. make a smart choice. replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna... made with carbsteady to help manage blood sugar... ...and end the day with a smile. glucerna®. everyday progress.

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