>> does get home safe, we miss you bill hemmer and thank you so much to you and your crew and all the journal is the ground covering this and a lot more to come from all of that. we will see you back at home here soon in new york city, thank you. that's it for us for now, "outnumbered" starts right now. >> melissa: fox news alert for you now, sexual assault allegations against judge brett kavanaugh threatening to delay the big boat on his nomination to the judiciary committee and the judiciary committee. his accuser now saying she is willing to testify before congress. judge kavanaugh the white house today as he issues another very strong denial. this is "outnumbered" and i'm melissa francis. here today as a host of kennedy on the fox business network, kennedy. a town hall editor and fox news contributor katie pavlich. democratic strategist of fox news contributor jessica tarlov in joining us on the couch today, former white house press secretary under george w. bush and of fox news contributor, ari fleischer. we have a lot to get to today

and we need your help. are you ready for it? >> ari: as ready as you can be for this one. >> melissa: we better get to it because there's a lot to do. democrats in the senate judiciary committee asking chairman grassley to delay a scheduled vote thursday on supreme court cut nominee brett kavanaugh to launch an investigation after a woman goes public with accusations of sexual assault when they were in high school. some republicans echoing calls to delay the vote. christine blakely ford, now 51 years old, university professor in northern california detailing her story to "the washington post" ." sanger drunken drunken kavanaugh and another student chapter in a room during a house party back in the early 1980s. and that kavanaugh and another teenager held her down while he groped her. he then put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. kavanaugh issuing a new denial

saying this is a completely false allegation, i have never done anything like what the accuser described to her or to anyone else. if i am willing to talk to the senate judiciary committee in any way the committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation from 36 years ago and defend my integrity. all this is the attorney for kavanaugh's accuser thinks she is willing to testify before the judiciary committee. >> she is, she is willing to do whatever it takes to get her story for us, yes. she has taken a polygraph, she's a credible person, these are serious allegations and they should be addressed. >> melissa: model white house stands behind kavanaugh who denies the accusations, counselor to the president kellyanne conway says his accuser should not be ignored. >> this woman should not be insulted and she should not be ignored. i think the senate is headed to a reasonable approach, allowing this woman to be heard in sworn

testimony, allowing judge kavanaugh to be heard in sworn testimony about the specific allegations would be added to the very considerable amount of evidence and considerations that folks will have when they weigh whether or not to vote for judge kavanaugh. >> melissa: peter doocy has more from capitol hill now. >> melissa, zero of the ten democrats on the judiciary committee were expected to vote for kavanaugh on thursday when they are expected to send his nomination to the senate, but all ten of those democrats have now signed on to a letter calling for a pause in the process and part of the letter says this. all senators regardless of party should insist the fbi perform its due diligence and fully investigate the allegations as part of its review of judge kavanaugh's background. staff level examination of these allegations should not go forward until the fbi's career professionals with the requisite investigative experience have completed their review.

so far, it is one of the republicans on the judiciary committee wants to slow things down, senator jeff flake who says he wants to hear more from kavanaugh's accuser first, a sentiment shared with another republican who is not on the committee, senator bob corker. if we are still waiting to hear from two other republicans whose positions aren't entirely clear. those are senators lisa murkowski and susan collins. they are both considered critical to confirming kavanaugh. something everyone seems to be wandering on the republican side is about the timing of this. the republicans on the tertiary committee say in a statement is disturbing that these uncorroborated allegations from more than 35 years ago during high school with service on the eve of the committee vote after democrats have on them since july. so now we wait to hear from the chairman of the judiciary committee, chuck grassley. is he going to schedule a hearing where we can hear from kavanaugh's accuser and kavanaugh himself? is he going to delay the proceedings scheduled for thursday to vote at of the

committee on kavanaugh's nomination, send it to the senate? we don't know yet but we do expect to see him back here at his office sometime soon. >> melissa: peter doocy, thank you so much. if she is brave enough to come forward and speak before the committee, is not the way things should go at this point? what do you think? >> ari: there's only one thing that can happen and that is she needs to have her day in court and he needs to have his. they both need to come and testify under oath to the senate judiciary committee and let the senators make independent judgments about the honesty, the validity, the context, whether it is or not true, i miss remembering or not and he 100% tonight it needs to be put to questioning as well. and the constituency who watches it, we the american people can watch and weigh in with our senators to see if we believe or don't believe. it's a very sad and to what has been a relatively good process until now. >> jessica: i agree completely and i think that you will start to see more bipartisan support

for that at the end result here, not just from the senators on the judiciary committee but across the board. sunday was very different from friday when we heard these accusations coming out, it was so quick for her to put her name to it as for whether democrats were sitting on this, my understanding is that dianne feinstein and you can see the letter that she sent senator feinstein published as well in the internet now was very clear that she wanted this to be kept confidential and that's what dianne feinstein was trying to do to protect her identity here but the day in court is the only way forward and we really need to grapple with the fact that we have now become a society that believes women, things are very different from when anita hill stood up there and clarence thomas was getting confirmed. within a lot of very powerful men lose their jobs, lose their seats, al franken lost his seat in the senate as a result of this have to be thoughtful and fair to make sure that every woman knows that her story deserves to be heard and i applaud kellyanne conway for coming out with that message today. it was not what i expected to hear. >> melissa: she was very

steady and very firm and what she said from the white house. that lots of people are coming up with mitigating circumstances on every side. there's a report in the montgomery county courthouse that brett kavanaugh's mother judge martha kavanaugh foreclosed on the accuser's parents home. now i'm hearing that she did not rule on that case. his of the circumstances. as you sing more evidence come out on one side or the other. >> katie: i just want to say coming as we are society that takes women's accusations seriously but we're also a society that believes in innocence until proven guilty. and at this point, we are only basing these allegations on words, that cannot be proven. she can't prove anything necessarily about what happened and brett kavanaugh can't prove that it didn't happen or that he didn't do these things as of that's where we are. it's extremely frustrating to look at the timeline here, very difficult to accept that this wasn't a political calculation

considering the timeline of dianne feinstein finding out about this in july, this woman going to "the washington post." in his argument that dianne feinstein was trying to protect her identity but then released a statement last week that she had an anonymous woman who wants to conform with these accusations. >> jessica: that came after reports that this was getting leaked out. >> katie: the point is for her to come out with a public statement that she knew was going to get all the media attention by saying i'm referring this letter to the fbi, of course ray didn't he was going to come out and if she wasn't part of this political process, the pressure would be on because dianne feinstein's of the statement. finally i want to say, democrats are saying this has to be delayed for an fbi investigation, the fbi receive this letter from dianne feinstein. they look at it and said there's not enough evidence to go off of here, we're going to put into his record with the white house and so for them to be saying we need a thorough fbi investigation, they've already looked at it and come to a conclusion. it can't necessarily be thoroughly investigated because they have been so long ago and

there's only three witnesses involved. >> melissa: i hear that but we've learned something from sitting on his couch a lot and watching these hearings happening a lot of times during this hour is that when people sit up there and they tell their story, you do as a viewer get a sense of who you believe and is in there something to that? they both sit there and have their moment, don't you feel like people out there watching will get a sense of who they believe? >> kennedy: i think people are also much more informed than they have been when we are talking about the hearings in people's emotional response to oliver north and clarence thomas versus anita hill and people finding who they emotionally connected with. but the facts are critical here and something that's inconvenient for both sides is both of these things can be true at the same time. the question is where we go from here? self judge kavanaugh somehow loses this confirmation fight or withdraws his name now from

consideration, who does the president nominates and is there a backlash against democrats for that for compressing the timeline and bring up the information so late in the game which she was very unfair to the process. our democrats rolling the dice if they will have the senate majority after the midterms and that's whether doing this as a quid pro quo against mary garland nomination? i think voters could be really upset by that because we were having a substantive conversation. they were senators, democrat and republican alike opposing challenging questions to this judge but now were to be go with this process and what is the threshold of this conversation we are having about the me too movement. >> melissa: the most important thing is to try to figure out what the truth is. way beyond that is a clinical implications. kennedy brings up this idea of a potential backlash. as this plays out closer and closer to the midterm, it does have the potential of firing up the right to come out because

having a judge has proven to be one of the things that motivates them to the polls. >> ari: i think it's too early to say. it all depends on what happens, when they both have that day in court. and if the right feels that judge kavanaugh is being a victim of something that's unfair and not provable, it will probably fire up the right. and on the other hand if she comes across as eminently credible and he doesn't, that is going to put a lot of pause into the right because you're going to think we just can't win. no matter what happens, it doesn't work. it's a bigger ethical issue i went to get to hear her to bed and i want to say this with a lot of sensitivity because these are sensitive issues. the high school behavior, how much in society should any of us be held liable for the day lived a good life, and upstanding life by all accounts and something that may be as an arguable issue took place in high school, should that deny his chances later in life even for supreme court job, a presidency of the united states for you name it?

how accountable are we for high school actions when this is clearly a disputable high school action? st when you're not saying he's not accountable, just saying this is a conversation that we should have. i would also say that in this me to recommend one thing we've noticed is that one person comes forward and then there's either a whole bunch of other people that come forward saying that person did something to me or no one else comes forward to say that person also did the same thing to me and i can be tellin telling. >> katie: what we are going to see here is that anybody who dares to question the timeline of the story, her version of events is going to be accused of attacking the witness, denying her story, not taking her seriously when they were very legitimate questions to be asked here. i think the conversation that's been had around this and some of the accusations made by brian fallon for example who work for hillary clinton during the 2016 campaign, they are saying now that is why brett kavanaugh hired so many female clerks and this is why brett kavanaugh was

a female basketball coach, impugning his character that way and implying the reason he was hiring women but i thought the left was all about and children's basketball team was a way for him to pry away from other women. that accusation is so abhorrent and disgusting so there are two sides to this, i hope we get to the bottom of it. i think we should each have an equal playing field and his word is equal with hers at this point, there is zero proof that we've seen in terms of hard evidence and that is what we have to go on. >> jessica: i totally agree with you, i didn't see that comment. in no way think this has any bearing on how judge kavanaugh has lived his life since an basketball team and all that, i understand what he did bring up those people to speak to his character, doesn't mean there are legitimate concern about what he did then or how he would rule in judicial opinions which is really what this is all about but do your point about what we can help be held accountable for when we are teenagers, this gets back to the conversation we had post-access hollywood tape about

what is locker room talk or what is boys being boys. >> melissa: i want to shut it down there because we are getting way too much into comparing this person political thing and we need to talk about this. >> kennedy: the question is are you offended because this guy is on the other side? if the shoe was on the other foot. space is i'm offended because he might he could've hands-on on young women's mouth. b2b have to have objective standards. that's only fair. >> melissa: we have to hear from both of them and we have to clear what other baggage were trying to bring to this case and listen to what they both have to say seems to be the only way forward. >> kennedy: otherwise is a cloud over him and he cannot be confirmed under these conditions. >> melissa: newly released bombshell testimony from former fbi official lisa page indicating federal investigators had no evidence of russian collusion with a trim campaign leading up to robert mueller's

appointment. what that says about bias at the fbi. plus, hillary clinton and joe biden ramping up their attacks on president trump, whether that will help or hurt democrats in november. >> this president uses the white house as a literal bully pulpit. callously exerting his power over those who have little or none. to look at me now, you don't see psoriasis.

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from the house intelligence committee. i would ask that chairman could not do the same with lisa page and peter strzok and others because the sooner those transcripts become public, the sooner the public will see that this russian collusion narrative is at best misleading and at worst falls from the onset. >> kennedy: ranking member on the house intel committee adam schiff also calling for the release of the page transcript saying "during the rush investigation, republicans on the house intelligence committee repeatedly promised to release all the transcripts when their work was completed and then reneged when it became clear that the transcripts would show how often they acted as defense lawyers for donald trump rather than objective fact finders. the republican lindsey graham says democrats don't really car care. >> very disappointed know democrats seem to be worried about the corruption at the department of justice and the fbi regarding the clinton email

investigation, the early stages of the rush investigation. i'm worried about that, not one republican in the senate has done anything to stop this investigation, the leadership of the house and the senate republicans and pledge their efforts to make sure that easter meal or his job. i wish we had some democrats concerned about strzok and page in bruce ohr. that's when to be done later. >> kennedy: so let's address this. he said that no one is trying to initially investigation unnecessarily or unnaturally but the start of it is now what is being called into question. what does this testimony say to you? >> ari: it says to me once again that nobody has any evidence of collusion and now you hear from people in a position of authority of the fb fbi, james comey basically said it when he said that donald trump three times are not under investigation. he was under investigation, it would've been for collusion. but there is nothing that would allow comey to go that far. we have a string of these.

everyone knows how washington works. if there was evidence of collusion meaning that donald trump or his campaign helped to hack the dnc or john podesta's emails, we all would've known, nothing. this is where i think donald trump is on solid ground when he says witch hunt. no obstruction is a totally different issue and we will see about that. but when it comes to collusion, our system has wasted a lot of time and a lot of resources from a lot of chasing. >> kennedy: and there may be questionable outcomes here and indictments in paul manafort made a deal. >> ari: the russians for collusion's a month they did that. >> kennedy: that coupling of the trim campaign and russia and the concerted effort between the two to change the outcome of the election, that was supposed to be the impetus of launching the special counsel investigation. >> jessica: my understanding is of his of his investigation is covering obstruction of

justice which is what you mentioned to lisa page's testimony i understand is not a fabulous look for democrats that are screaming collusion all night long, but that doesn't mean that the mueller investigation was unfounded or we should wrap it up as there are number republicans saying sitting there for the rest of the time of hitler clinton was being investigated and even want her to be investigated again. as for what kicked all this off, and others been a lot of discussion about george papadopoulos and what role he could've actually played in essence he only got to 14 days and has been saying x, y, and z things on cable news since then but that is the official record as to what talking to an australian government and said they had dirt on hillary clinton and that's how this began. i don't see how lisa page's testimony here invalidates the mueller investigation whatsoever. i understand for partisan infighting is fantastic as is all of these text messages that are now surfacing from the six-month black hole. >> kennedy: those are just partisans who were expressing

their personal opinions, these are people who helped launch the investigation and they were at both ends before it began and before they were dismissed, they were actively a part of the special counsel. >> katie: the same people who are texting about having a meeting about potentially stopping president trump from becoming president trump. if the thing i think is interesting moving forward here is that lisa page, her testimony has been very consistent whether it's transcripts that have been released for the reporting that we've seen on a leaked information from what she said. peter strzok sat there for hours and try to explain away by what he said in a text message actually meant something else. she's been pretty honest about the fact that what she says and what she meant and she believes is exactly that. the bigger question here is the deep corruption that we saw between the doj and the fbi and whether that's been cleared out. we've seen it with the firing of andrew mccabe, the firing of peter strzok and christopher wray is really trying to re-embed the reputation of the

fbi back into the culture of the american people because there are serious questions about the abuse of power and doj and his law enforcement agencies who have power to destroy your life using those agencies as a political weapon against an opposing campaign. >> melissa: it's important case that he's the one that wrote the government documents that turn the investigation from the email scandal to russian collusion which is why he's the one in the inspector general said that he could not say that that decision was without bias. >> ari: when it comes to the origin of this investigation, the australian ambassador, i spent 21 years in washington, d.c., and i went to a lot of bars. i never once sought ambassador to sit down next to ambassador and had chitchat with an ambassador. i'm not a conspiracy theorist that strikes me as really odd that he would go to london and happen to find himself sitting next to the australian ambassador and struck up a conversation with him to hear what he was doing with life.

the origins of this investigation fishing by aggressive fbi agents who want to entrap drums people. >> kennedy: president from dealing with another storm disaster in florence and the political implications of the response. loom large with the midterms only weeks away. a plus, flooding in north carolina getting worse as the death toll rises and rivers are about to press at historic levels, whole communities now cut off by the water. we are live on the ground that is next.

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>> melissa: right now, we are looking at a statement from senate judiciary committee chairman chuck grassley who has said at this time, anyone who comes forward as dr. ford has deserves to be heard. i will continue working on a way to hear her out in inappropriate

precedented and respectful manner. so again, he is saying there that it is important to hear this accuser story in her point of view but he has not said so far when that will happen and he certainly hasn't said that the vote will be delayed. so those are important things to keep in mind as we watch the story going forward. fox news alert for you now, tropical depression florence still devastating the carolinas. the storm now blamed for at least 17 deaths, extreme flooding damage, tens of thousands of homes, the coastal city of wilmington now cut off by rising water as some are expected to press soon at historic levels. rick leventhal is live in ogden north carolina, a suburb of wilmington. >> we are on middletown loop road, just want to alert any county or state officials who might be watching, and other

potential watch out just down the road from here. nothing like this one but if that section washes out, the folks between here and there will be trapped, this is 1 of 1100 road closures in this area and has effectively sealed off wilmington from the rest of the state, they trapped in neil's ready-to-eat last night, the military did and said there flying in food to wilmington because of the only way to get assets in here where it's needed most. this caused by raging floodwaters late thursday night into friday morning and the people who live around here are just stunned at the extent of the damage is here realizing that this is only part of the problem. there are still a lot of people being trapped by floodwaters as the rain continues to move north and tributaries moving south, 2600 people rescued already including a number of people in this area. we saw some people being rescued

yesterday in the town of leland, also 300 animals along with those folks and the rescues continue today. the u.s. coast guard making them as well has some services begin to come back on. roughly 700,000 people still without power in north carolina and some other gas stations are now reopened, the stars have reopened, long lines. the line we saw looked like about a quarter-mile long at a gas station here in ogden. to the trouble still developing here on the ground and the resources are being stretched to the limit here in the wilmington area. >> melissa: thank you for that, those are amazing pictures. meanwhile, president trump getting regular briefings about the storm and the federal response to florence as the president faces criticism for praising the government's response to hurricane maria and puerto rico. after nearly 3,000 deaths blamed on the storm. yesterday, president trump

tweeted about relief efforts for florence, "fema first responders and law enforcement are working really hard on hurricane florence. as a storm begins to finally recede, they will kick into even higher gear very professional." defending the response of the president. >> one thing about president trump is that he is probably the one president that has had more support for what goes on back here. the president is very passionate about the work we've done, been incredibly supportive of me and the staff. is probably the only president that's held two cabinet level meetings throughout this entire cabinet of his agency to show support. >> melissa: is not about the president, it's about the victims out there and the people that are hurting and in this case, it does seem like forces were mobilized ahead of time. that's where we heard officials on the ground talking about this idea that they moved resources into the area so they do find somebody like the town of wilmington which you can't

believe right now, totally surrounded by water that you had more people and forces and help nearby to help. >> ari: which is standard procedure, this is exactly what fema does. is there a massive deployment force and are able to corral the resources of multiple federal agencies and state agencies to get things where they need to go. and that is easily done on the mainland. you can do it in texas and florida and north carolina. that's what aggravates the president so much as he could not do it in puerto rico. in the president is taking the blame for all the things that have happened in puerto rico, having little to do with his response to hurricane. and that has propelled him to tweet and get into a hole inside fight which i wish he hadn't, but some justification for the president is thinking there. >> melissa: it is incredible, i have to talk about the pictures for a second as we are putting it up there. both from southern california, that would like that road was hit by an earthquake. to think that water does all that, just incredible the

devastation. >> kennedy: that's why everyone here at fox news were very clear to point out is not the wind and there was a false sense of confidence as that storm was weakening going into north carolina making landfall, it's the water that does all the damage and is my roy cooper, the governor of north carolina the citizens, please evacuate now, is going to be so much worse and it has the potential to be very deadly. and people could stir crazy when they can't get out of their houses, but you have to weigh which is worse. staying and being completely trapped or leaving for a few weeks and staying with friends or relatives, it's nice when you have that option. but you really see how incredible the storm is. the two things about puerto ric puerto rico, they were things you can't blame the president for a period in the one thing is the infrastructure in puerto rico before the storm hit in the second is the weather itself. other than that, you want to make sure the president has the

same kind of passion for puerto rico than he does for texas and florida and north carolina and other parts of the mainland. he went to her general jack keane saying earlier that they move to wavy approval process. for anyone to get down there, it's about deploying those resources as quickly as he possibly can and it does seem with every disaster we get smarter about moving faster. >> jessica: which is wonderful and it seems like unfortunately we going to have more and more of these, there are a couple of stars following florence. i'm glad to see you that it's being dealt with properly. the ring paper towels and people to the insensitive tweeting and making it about himself that even brock long said some of these stats were due to spousal abuse in maria after hurricane maria. >> kennedy: he said there was increased spousal abuse and the president can't be blamed for those. he didn't link death was spousal abuse. >> jessica: he was talking

about happened in the aftermath and all of these can't be attributed to the president did wrong or how it was handled. nearly 3,000 people died, just be sad about that. >> katie: the people who are flooding with everything in lynn, being prepared as an individual, don't want to get my pepper hat here. if you're stuck for three weeks or two weeks, that's when things get really bad and the environment around you, help with issues come up, going to be difficult in wilmington where there is no road getting out, completely surrounded by water for people who stay there. the aftermath of having enough supply for your family on an individual level is absolutely crucial. >> kennedy: only have this conversation about what do we learn from each of these storms, being self-sufficient, that's critical.

>> melissa: hillary clinton writing a new op-ed calling out the president for eight speech while former vice president joe biden takes a jab at terms supporters. what he said and whether this will help democrats or backfire. oh. hey mom.

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>> katie: she's back, hillary clinton slamming a trump a new op-ed writing in the atlantic that "our democracy is in crisis and that americans must fight back, criticizing the trump administration after nearly two years in power. is going saying this. trump doesn't even try to pretend he is the president for all americans. if it's hard to ignore the racial subtext in virtually everything trump says.

often, it's not even subtext. none of this is a mark of authenticity or a refreshing break from political correctnes correctness. hate speech isn't telling it like it is, it's just hate. if former vice president joe biden also on the attack saying he wishes he had spoken out sooner against president trump. >> the forces of intolerance remain determined to undermine and roll back the progress all have made. this time, they, not you, have an ally in the white house. this time, they have an ally. there are a small percentage of the american people, your will and people, some of them the dregs of society. >> katie: all of this comes as president obama and other high-profile democrats after their criticism of the president ahead of the november midterms. so watching vice president biden's remarks and reading my hillary clinton had to say, that a lot of substance about policy, all about accusing the president

of things to mean things. is that helpful? >> jessica: there is some stuff in there that is about policy. talk about lifting up all americans, that is about economic policy which the democrats are arguing, not good for all americans. it's a substantive case that we are making. besides we need to define what hate speech is and we can't bear that around because it actually does mean something, i see no problem with this. when you look at how many women are running for office and how many were inspired by hillary clinton, when you look at the enthusiasm gap which is favoring democrats strongly right now when you look at what strong, the bases they've been leaders for her to parties for decades as in certain areas of the country, i have no problem with this. >> katie: your response to that? kind of shaking your head a little bit. speaker this is where people who are neither for trump or against trump, criticize him when he deserves criticism, these techs push me into the pro trump camp because it takes me back to when

joe biden said that their publicans want to put you all back in chains. "the huffington post" called him a racist. it is what democrats do every election to everybody they don't like it is nothing to do with donald trump. if it pushes me away. >> jessica: i just here i don't think john mccain -- >> ari: they use it as the race card to play every election because they need to get the minority community so much to win. >> jessica: you haven't heard the president has said, you think what he said in charlottesville is appropriate? >> ari: i don't think president clinton would have been. >> katie: i went to get back to the question, hillary clinton said that democracy is in crisi crisis. the former candidate refusing to accept election results for president who may be could be a

little bit more presidential. >> kennedy: either a person who is in psychological distress and is then able to move on from the trauma of november 2016 will she's running again and if she's running again, she'd better figure out a way to be a better candidate because i think you're shaking your head now. >> jessica: she's not running for anything. because you very well may. the dominating feature of her character. >> melissa: when i hear this threat to democracy, immediately i think about the threat to the loop ruling class, not democracy but those politicians who have a death grip on power in washington and i think it backfire as been hillary clinton and barack obama say these things. this is a threat to democracy, we need to go back to where we were, a whole bunch of voters out there who here no, you all in washington both republican and democrat want to keep this

death grip on money and power and i don't want it for my family anymore. >> kennedy: when she talked about predatory capitalism, that is crony capitalism. she is a corporate test and she would've been much worse marrying big government with big companies. >> jessica: bernie sanders would've been the worst for tha that. >> katie: moving on, the scandal that why they had to walk back a story on u.n. ambassador nikki haley. where that story went off the rails, from the beginning, and whether the papers mea culpa is enough. i'll take that. [cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors.

>> jessica: turns out it was the scandal that wasn't. "the new york times" walking back a story slamming u.n. ambassador nikki haley. the editors saying they unfairly blamed her for blowing big bucks for curtains on her new york apartment when they were actually ordered during the obama administration. the paper originally reported that the state department spent nearly $53,000 on customize and mechanized curtains for an apartment across from u.n. headquarters where ambassador haley lived. the paper saying in part "the decision on leasing the ambassador's residence and purchasing the curtains was made during the obama administration. according to current and former officials." they should not have focused on

his haley nor should have picture of her and used. i read this article and without it being about nikki haley or her purchase, there really wasn't much to the article. it was a mistake obviously and did show at least some personal animus on the part of the autho author. i don't think this makes anyone who reads "the new york times" less likely to read "the new york times" and like it, but you think this is good for a rally? >> ari: here's my question about it. why in the world and to take a nanosecond for ordinary people on twitter to catch this bias? that nobody in the entire "new york times" called it before it was printed? to show "the new york times" editors particularly in the reporters as well, it's too much of a culture that doesn't understand conservativism. if they think it's important to have a newsroom that looks like america but they pay no mind to a newsroom that things like america. they need ideological diversity in newsrooms and they caught the mistake. >> katie: you asked the

question about how did this happen, wasn't a mistake. this was something that was clearly a hit on nikki haley, they quote obama and the obama administration official slamming the trump administration while they also admit in the story that the curtains were purchased in 2016. they should've retracted the entire thing because without nikki haley in the headline come without their narrative around this being her problem, there's no story there in less you're going to do a story about whether these curtains belong to samantha power, the former u.n. ambassador, whether they carry state farm and was spending so much money so that was the real story and the issue this correction that said we gave an unfair impression. that was just false. it wasn't a mistake, it was a purposeful political hit job and without the conservative and normal people on twitter saying it was, they would have issued any kind of clarification at al all. >> jessica: they did not think that donald trump is going to be president to who did they anticipate was going to be the next u.s. ambassador to the

u.n.? i guarantee you the foresight and the tea leaves did not tell that it was going to be nikki haley, "the new york times" wants to have a column is dedicated to government waste, i would love to read that. about all the bureaus and aspects for we are being squeezed and redundancies but this unfortunately did not rise to that occasion. all it does is froth that people who call for nikki haley to resign. the curtains that she neither chose know if pay for it. >> jessica: i just find it funny that the obama administration he was the explanation that this was needed for security so the idea that it would be ridiculous for someone doing the same job but for someone you don't like is a little ridiculous here. i'm going to keep reading the times anyway. more "outnumbered" and just a moment. called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they took care of everything a to z.

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