busy monday night. tucker carlson coming up next in d.c. have a good night, everybody. glad you are with us, that is "the story." we will see you tomorrow. ♪ >> tucker: fox news alert, the president has ordered declassification of the pfizer warrant, the peter strzok and lisa page text messages and other documents. good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we have lots of news breaking particularly in this development. let's begin with catherine herridge. >> according to a white house statement released late today, fbi interviews with justice department bruce ohr and vendors to their progression case because of its connection to the trump dossier. after the former british spy had the dossier was fired, documents show that the spy, christopher steele, maintained contact with

the fbi and other government officials by using bruce ohr as a back channel. clean copies without sections blacked out, from former fbi director james comey, is deputy andrew mccabe, and former fbi lawyer lisa page. until now some were available but with significant reductions. a source familiar with the records told fox they expect to see exculpatory evidence but trump campaign aids carter page as well as george papadopoulos who recently pled guilty to lying to federal investigators and got 14 days in jail. a spokesperson told fox they are working on the request but emphasized there is a process. adam schiff called the president's move "an abuse of power and not about transparency. >> tucker: when do you think we will see these documents? >> we haven't been in this situation before but one of my

contacts this evening said they believe we could see some records as early as this week, within days. >> amazing. lou dobbs of course hosts lou dobbs tonight. there's a lot of news going on and will lead at this story because these documents potentially tell us a lot about one of the great scandals in modern political history. what do you think we are going to learn from this pfizer application? >> i believe we will get confirmation of a lot that we will have had at least an indication of, and that is a rancid corruption throughout the upper reaches of the fbi. i think this is a terrific day for america, i think it is a very bad day for james comey and andrew mccabe, peter strzok and others, including perhaps bruce ohr. the thing i hope that we see will be what actually took place and how much of a relationship

that was established by these 20 pages from the carter page fisa court application. showing exactly what came from the famous fraudulent trump dossier and how much of it was presented to the court without reservation, without any qualification. it's going to be quite a story in and of itself, that's what i'm looking for. >> tucker: so you are looking forward to it because one of the reasons is you are a journalist. we worked together at another network a couple decades ago. have you ever seen reporters less interested in knowing what happened in right now? >> tucker, it is remarkable to me, we have news organizations that are simply absolutely bemoaning the president's

decision. tonight, to declassify these documents, if all the people in this country, journalists, at least to those who still repair to the tenants and standards of the craft, we have an obligation for the public to know. let the chips fall where they may, in this president to his credit has done precisely that. he has with openness and transparency as is value said we will let the american people read these documents and see what is here and make their own judgments. i applaud the president for that. >> tucker: i never thought i would live to see journalists argue for a government secrecy but they are. so what about obama? we know that obama presidency spied on a campaign. >> in part because he is so busy speaking about himself through out each speech that it leaves little time for anything else and there are no precedent to

questioning him. he's a man who over eight years of his presidency liked being questioned by journalists and certainly did fewer news conferences than one could have ever imagined a president having. the reason is, the press has an alignment. they have taken some sort of fealty oath that requires them to keep their mouths shut and pretend still that he had some sort of historic president who basically accomplished nothing in eight years. they have to preserve that fiction. >> tucker: unbelievable. i honestly can't wait to see what's in these documents. lou dobbs, thank you very much as always, great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> tucker: all of a sudden out of the blue things have changed. the nomination of brett kavanaugh for the supreme court has appeared to be in peril.

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supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh's accuser now has a name. she has come forward, christine blazing ford. ford says at a house party in the early 1980s while they were still in high school in suburban washington, d.c., a drunken brett kavanaugh try to hold her down and sexually assault her and she said she was afraid at the time. several republican senators said they want additional testimony from both ford and kavanaugh and it looks like ford will be testifying on monday of next week before the senate judiciary committee. but for the first time, because of this, kavanaugh's nomination appears to be an actual trouble. democrats who are not for more information or rendering judgment on what he did. >> we are looking at brushing a potentially concerning incident under the rug. >> do you believe her story?

>> i can tell you, it does have a ring of truth to it. >> i think the allegations of professor ford are extremely credible. i don't think the allegations of this are political at all. when a woman is abused it is her prerogative as to how, where, why, and if it should all come out. >> they are all very, very deeply concerned. what's telling is the democrats have known about this for weeks. and that's of course what you would do if you knew the answer to the question but they didn't, instead they waited. the timing was entirely political and anyone who says under the mic otherwise is not telling the truth. what about the core story itself? coming to your own conclusions, people will come to their own conclusions but for the show we are not dismissing christine ford as a liar. it seems like she sincerely

believes everything she's saying. but that doesn't mean she's right. human memory is notoriously unreliable especially over time. what were you doing one drunken night in the spring of 1982? don't remember? of course you don't. past is unknowable and that's why we have statutes of limitation for crimes. not because our desire for justice dems but because the chance of achieving it does. everybody knows this, the left included. the story doesn't have anything to do with justice actually or even what brett kavanaugh may have done in high school. underneath it all, anyone who lives in washington can tell you it's about abortion. with this have surfaced if brett kavanaugh had pledged allegiance to roe v. wade? of course not. some suggesting that he is a criminal once defended bill clinton when he was accused of rate. he had not metaphorically killed her but literally killed her.

and yet kennedy supported abortion in all cases in the left treated them as heroes and is swept, speaking of under the rug, their crimes into the dustbin of memory. kavanaugh though may not support roe v. wade, we don't really know. therefore he must be destroyed. whatever the story is, it's not about protecting women. the larger lesson of this moment and actually the past two years is that the left will not abide losing power even temporarily. for liberals, political power is personal power and without it, they are exposed and terrified. some become vicious. if you have lost friends, liberals believe they were meant to run this country, our government and our culture. they have no intention of sharing control with you. if they are not in charge they will burn it down which is what they are doing now. the big question is will the republican party let them do this? if they allow kavanaugh's

nomination to be derailed, it's over. they will never put a justice on the court again. it will be too easy to stop them, a single charge will be enough. and let us pause parenthetically and say, we may learn more in the coming weeks, who knows. in the calculation may change. as of today, there is no way to prove either way what happened 35 years ago in bethesda, maryland. it's an unsolvable mystery, unless something else comes up. so to the real nomination on the basis of that would be a brand-new thing. they vote republican anyway in part because they would like to see judges and once that's gone what's the point of voting republican. tammy bruce is the president of women's voice and she joins us tonight. tammy cometh to be totally clear

i'm not impugning the character of this woman. we actually have a mutual friend is that she is a very good person and i believe that she believes what she's saying. but i don't know if that means it's right or accurate. but what bothers me is a political use to which the story has been put right now. it seems very hypocritical. >> that's it. in hearings, we still don't know and that is what makes it appealing to the democrats. for me as an advocate for women, i care about the nature of the fight that's gone on for generations to have women be taken seriously about sexual violence with strangers or acquaintances or loved ones. and yet, this kind of politicizing of an event like this as it's alleged really makes a mockery of all of our experiences as women when we have encountered that kind of situation. so that it is my concern. >> tucker: can you pause right there? how does it make a mockery of

that? >> we have been told, or at least we were dismissed before when we complained about domestic violence or the way we were treated in a society that suggests of course through pornography and other means that we were to be abused. or we were to be abused of the pleasure of man or other people. or if we don't perform properly, we pay the price for that. we have the right to be treated well, we want a legal system that listens to our complaints and we are serious, these are serious issues that have been to all women across the board. it's not a partisan issue, it affects us. so when we say we want to be taken seriously, it's because we want justice. and then allegations come forward specifically to harm someone to be used in a matter to run them personally, to ruin their career and their personal reputation. and it's outside of the justice system. it's not about the accuser being taken seriously and the accused

having rights as well, because that is the only way that we are treated fairly. so we are actually saying, everyone who is saying that women can't be trusted and women are going to use accusations against us, that comes back into play. none of us deserve this. we want this to be a fair dynamic. and your outline put it perfectly. this is about a political dynamic. and for me it's a political character assassination and it's a shame that she's in this position and that we are, and certainly judge kavanaugh is, we all deserve better. i think one way to stop this from continuing as to confirm judge kavanaugh. we have this dynamic of knowing him and his history as an adult, and we can't allow allegations that can't be proven to derail this kind of dynamic when we have all of these other elements in place. >> tucker: sure.

very quickly, wouldn't it be nice to have a real debate about the constitution and how the supreme court interprets it, rather than have an endless series of debates about the moral character of this nominee to that for the other thing? >> this is a good example of the difference between what the conservatives want which is a view of the constitution and with the supreme court is wanting to do and, and they are putting them through the star chamber. and, we gave credit to admit, she doesn't remember what happened, which year, how she got there or how she left, and she seems to be honest in those frameworks. but the fact is, with the way it's been handled from the start of the senator feinstein, it was meant to simply be a political hatchet job.

and for those of us who have experienced sexual violence or harassment or assault, we handle that with different ways in our lives. i'm not going to begrudge her for how she handled what she said happened to her, and when chuck schumer starts giving you a moral lecture, none of this is real. tammy, thank you. hillary clinton did not get elected in 2016, and you may not know this, they have not gotten over it. now she says america must scrap the entire system of government in response. we will tell you what she says, next. ♪ flintstones! meet the flintstones. ♪

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crisis." now, it's also orwellian in that its basic claims are in the very opposite of the truth. he is the product of self-government like it or not. almost nobody in power in this country on either side wanted him to become president. they outspent him 2-1, they had talked and, he won anyway, because lots of people voted for him. that's the textbook definition of democracy. hillary clinton didn't like the outcome of the election so now she demands that we change the constitution and write new rules that would ensure more democrats would win. out with the electoral college and in with california and new york in choosing the president, along with the tiny group of left-wing billionaire tech oligarchs who control our access to all news and

information, like the hillary version of democracy and fewer people making decisions. other leading democrats seem to agree with this, and they agree that voters have too much power and voters are disgusting. watch as former attorney general eric holder who is now running for president suggests that trump supporters are apologists for slavery or something. watch. >> this make america great minds that is not only flawed but rooted in fear. and it favors an imagined past over a realistic future. what time. do they want to wind the clock back to? what century, what decade? what year? certainly, it was not when people were enslaved, and certainly it was not when segregation was the law of the land. >> tucker: that is what extremism looks like. and here is joe biden who by the way was a populace from pennsylvania at one point telling his audience that trump supporters are human garbage.

watch this. >> these forces of intolerance remain determined this time they they, not you, have an ally in the white house. they are american people and verlyn people. >> miss using the word of barrel length course. vote for us or you are the dregs of society. he advised bill and hillary's campaigns. and they kind of learned that lesson in 16, talking about a certain class of people that didn't like being called names. the fact of the matter is, this is a small percentage and he is referring presumably to the people of charlottesville who downtown called, fine people. >> he said, they want to -- they

have an ally and the white house. people who like trump, they are the dregs of society. our use some snobbish patrician and the fact is when we talk about this whole slavery notion, the only candidate i recall being asked a question, when was america great, was way more. >> he lost as a republican in alabama. >> exactly. >> i don't even know what he said, i could care less. do you really want to suggest that your fellow americans are for slavery? nobody is for sale very. but let's be real. it's a horrible thing to say about anybody. >> he's talking about this

notion of making america great. america has been great and it will always get greater but, are we more great now than when blacks couldn't participate equally? >> tucker: nobody is saying that. >> is someone trying to return us to slavery? nobody is calling for return to slavery, no one is calling for ending universal suffrage. these aren't issues being debated because nobody supports them. >> if you ask donald trump, do you think you could give a straight answer to the question, when do you think america was great? he will point to a decade when blacks and and women didn't have the rights that they have now. >> nobody is contesting those rights or doing anything but celebrating those rights. the contribution from the middle class was the largest and most prosperous. it's an economic argument. but demagogues, people like eric hoover are saying things like,

we want slavery. it scares people. >> i think what holder is saying is trump needs another which in this case was this mythical decade when america was great and he's going to restore that. the problem is he's going to restore it at the expense of the rights that have been burned. >> you really should be ashamed to say something like that. but i made my point. you hear in better democrats, the democracy is in peril. trump has outspent 2-1 and almost every rich person voted against trump, almost everyone in power dislikes trump. but anyone, anyway, because voters like him. that is democracy, is it not? >> democracy is more purely, they get the outcome that they want. >> this notion that he wants to

get new york and california, we will have to agree that when the founders came up with it, it was not representative. >> you always want an electoral majority. but he didn't have one and bill clinton didn't have one and, isn't it true that this is what democracy looks like? it's when people who don't have the power still retain their power of the ballot. they elect the guy they want. >> it's still an issue here, which is, if more people voted for hillary, it does trump get off saying that the people elected me to do x? no. if they had jill sign and a portion of everybody else, she actually had more than 50 for her point of view. so donald trump, i think you're doing quite well for someone who got 46% of the vote. >> don't you think it's a threat

to the system itself two years in to call into question publicly every single day for two years the legitimacy of the outcome. one actually contests that in our system under trump, it one. >> i think it sticks in their craw about russia and call me on voter suppression. but nobody honestly says he didn't win, he got more votes in the states in which he didn't win. >> the group was a higher frequency than the groups that were not suppressed. that's not true. >> it's true in the sense that more would have voted. >> the fact of the matter is, bring any voter expert, there are efforts underway to suppress votes. >> the voter experts, there's never been a more corrupted group. i'm a voter expert, i've lived

here 50 years and i'm an expert. richard, thank you. for california, certainly the biggest city in the country collapsing. but we do have the tape.

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>> tucker: we have an update. not a full one but a partial update on a very weird story. the closure of the sunspot solar observatory in new mexico. it was shut down for nearly two weeks in the observatory is finally reopened, that happened today. in a statement, the observatory said it was close to cooperate with law enforcement who were investigating some kind of criminal activity on a nearby mountain peak. they suggested there was a dangerous person a foot and that's why they had to make everyone evacuate. they still won't say with a crime was or why a mandatory mass evacuation of people was necessary.

that someone had to leave their homes. meanwhile the local sheriff told reporters he does not know of any criminal investigation at all. we have course called the fbi which continues to tell us that they could not confirm nor deny the investigation. maybe it's nothing but maybe it's not. the state of california was for many years a paradise for the middle class in this country. increasingly it's becoming an unlivable dystopia for a number of people. nowhere represents that better than the city of san francisco. car break-ins are surging there but arrests are way rare and police seem unable or even unwilling to protect the public. recently the show inside edition try to investigate the crime wave and here's what happened. >> visa bonnie and clyde want to wannabes stroll up and peer inside our car. he tries to bust out the front window with a glass puncher but it doesn't break so he goes for the back window.

and -- >> 30 goes, he just broken. >> first he grabs her purse and tosses it to his female accomplice. he reaches back in and struggles to pull out the big speaker. time to activate our youth gps unit. the chase is on. >> he went down there. >> we finally catch up to them at the subway entrance. >> this is lisa guerrero from inside edition, you have our speaker right there, he broke into our car. you're going to want to get that back. >> i'm just going to call my mother. >> you should call your mother. >> the purses in this area -- here it is. the purses in the trash can. >> unbelievably come when we were inside conducting the interview, thieves came out here and broke into our crew truck. they stole thousands of dollars worth of our equipment so we actually got hit twice in one

day. >> this is a candidate for san francisco and he joins us tonight. joe, you are from there but our viewers may not know that these crimes took place not in some obscure periphery but in san francisco in broad daylight. how does this happen and why does nobody stop it? >> it was closer to 40 or 45,000 which is 100 per day. what they do as they come from out of town because they know they are not going to be prosecuted. then they also target areas such as the painted ladies here and other areas like north beach end. 39 39 where they had tourists because tourists wants a ground for the prosecution. it makes it harder on the prosecution to actually convict. but when you have cases like this which is absolutely horrible, it's not uncommon.

we shouldn't be having people take in law enforcement into their own hands and with this lady did was extremely dangerous. in the circumstance of the individuals that broke into her car -- >> you mean -- the cops aren't doing anything, the city isn't doing anything, why shouldn't people take their law into the their own hands? >> while the police department, the prosecutor's office, they are the ones that should be doing this. in the instance where individuals broke into her car and jumped into another car, there are rules that the police commission has set where the police department cannot and the police department is ordered not to chase io. >> i'm confused. typically, the laws in the city, state or country are written to protect normal people. taxpayers, people with families,

people who aren't bothering anyone and these laws seem to be written to help criminals. why is that? >> that particular law was written to prevent high-speed chases in high urban areas. what we should be doing is taking a look at laws that were well intended, and the problem in san francisco -- and this is true throughout the country. when you attack a progressive law, you are attacking what is seen as an attack of progressive. and this is the real problem, when we see faults in our ideal -- progressive ideals, we should be correcting them and going back and saying, this isn't making sense, it's not working. but we are not doing that. >> what if you get on bart and there was a passed out junkie

and a pile of human and a mugger, do they think this is working very well. >> are homeless department isn't working well and we are building these large institutions that aren't really based on any kind of success metrics. we should not be and stepping over those individuals, and i have proposed even at the fire department that we do something about the mental health emergencies that are happening on our street because if you call 911, and you have a broken arm or you have been shot, we will show up to up leave that emergency. but if you are having a mental health emergency, we currently don't have a protocol to deal with that. and we really need to address that problem. >> i don't know if you have kids but if you don't put up with something, you will have less of it. then you find out that the cities that put up with this kind of nonsense get a lot of it in the cities that don't put up with it get dumb i could not get

any of it. >> gavin newsom who is running for governor recently said, we shouldn't be spending more money on homelessness in san francisco. this is a regional problem. this is where they worked for years on the homeless problem and put a dent in it. and he's absolutely right about that. >> that guy -- look at the city he left behind. >> we worked really hard with gavin newsom on the homeless problem in san francisco. but he's right about this one. >> tucker: he is right on that one thing. >> is a regional problem. >> tucker: joe, thanks very much. the rest of us are waiting to hear more evidence in the brett kavanaugh story, but famous people in l.a. don't wait for evidence. they are out on twitter, convicting.

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>> tucker: the president has ordered the declassification of a number of documents close to the center of the russian investigation. the text and soon, possibly tomorrow, we will get a very close look at why these decisions were made and we can see for ourselves. mark steyn is joining us tonight. what do you think we will learn? >> i think we will learn in terms of profitable because, carter page for example, the united states government had absolutely nothing to go on, other than something that is basically a cooked up dossier by

a man who is a foreign spy. the fisa applications if you look at what is redacted, everyone thinks there's all kinds of interesting stuff in there but most see it's just a boilerplate form that you have to fill in to get the application. it's just box checking which is a lot about the stupid paperwork is. when you actually look at the main section of probable cause that carter page is a russian spy, they explained that, you know, russia is a sovereign state. the capital city is moscow, they've been spying on americans since the end of the second world war, and if you actually take the justification that they have for spying on an american citizen, it's absolutely minimal. and if that's confirmed tomorro tomorrow, whether they are conservative or liberal, ought to be not about that. >> you just have to be an

american i think. so you've probably been on twitter all day and seen that the famous community has already decided what they think of brett kavanaugh. actor rob delaney writes, male g.o.p. senators, huge opportunity for you to present you give a [bleep] about women. ben sasse, bob corker and jeff flake, one of you soft pieces of [bleep] should grab this once and an opportunity. but let me ask you, do we live in a world where anybody cares what these people think? >> oh, come on, tucker. if you at wherever on the debate society at school and did model u.n., you know that calling people a soft piece of [bleep] is dispositive in an argument, it's right up there with calling your political opponent supporters the dregs of society.

this guy, rob delaney, it's interesting to me how i am a drag of society. i don't know whether you can be a singular drag, but i am. i'm always interested to know how high up the drugs go to the hollywood guys. one of these people who are mad about it, jeffrey light who played felix in the bond movies a couple years back, he says christine ford will now face of barbaric republican wrath and also lifelong ostracizing bike cavanaugh kavanaugh's suburban maryland seersucker and dock siders country club set. you are wearing duck ciders tonight, tucker. you are probably wearing a seersucker suit under that phony suit you have on top of it. so the dregs of society includes people in seersucker suits. hollywood elite, it would be much easier for joe biden and

eric holder and the hollywood crowd to make a list of people who are qualified to opine and this course and participate in the public life of the nation. because it doesn't seem to be a very long list in a nation of 300 million. >> tucker: no, it's their friends. i don't even know if you are a citizen but if you run for office, i will send you money. >> i'm a citizen of seersucker fans, it's a great community. >> tucker: [laughs] great to see you. a long time colleague of brett kavanaugh's joined us after the break to tell us what he is like. that'se. next. including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. stay at la quinta. where we're changing with stylish make-overs.

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>> tucker: so nominee brett kavanaugh is under attack as you have seen, not his legal views but his integrity and decency as a man. in response to that, several of

his friends are standing up for him in different forms. she worked alongside a cavanaugh the bush administration and has known him for more than 20 years. thanks for coming on. so when you read these allegations, what was your first thought? >> i was shocked and this came completely out of the blue to me. and i know to judge kavanaugh. he said he didn't even know what this was about until they get accuser's identity was made known. he had no idea what this is about, he has said it, and neither did any of us, it's completely out of character for him and every woman friend of his has come forward. 65 women from high school, women like me who worked with him the white house counsel's office, scores of women have said it's completely out of character for him and a total shock. >> tucker: what is the effect and his family? this is a man with a wife and two little girls.

>> i hope they are doing okay. his wife is a strong person, a person of faith and his girls are wonderful. i'm sure they are doing their best to hold it together but i'm can't imagine it's very difficult. >> tucker: so now as a lawyer, what do you think the next move for judge kavanaugh is? >> the president said today that he welcomes the opportunity for the process to unfold and i know that judge kavanaugh has said that he is here to defend his honor and his integrity. judge kavanaugh likes to play offense, not defense. he's a big sports fan as i think you know and he's a very proactive person. i believe he is going to set the record straight about exactly what is going on here. senator hatch today issued a really interesting statement, tucker. i don't know if you saw it. he said that judge kavanaugh again denied at being at any sort of party like the one that

has been described and that this might be, senator hatch suggested, a case of mistaken identity. it's possible that judge kavanaugh was not even there at all. >> tucker: really quickly, what kind of justice would he be? >> he would be a wonderful justice. he's written over 300 opinions and they are by all accounts, whether you are more liberal or conservatively oriented as a lawyer, they are by all accounts stunning work and well-researched. >> tucker: nobody even questions that. and we should be talking about that. and we be talking about the constitution and separation of powers and all that. >> thank you for your first person account of what he is like. >> tucker: we will be back tomorrow, this show that is the

sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and groupthink. we hope you will tune in tomorrow and the next night and as long as you are on. sean hannity, live from new york city, the city to the north. >> explosive news from the white house and all over the place, the president has in fact now ordered the doj to immediately declassify the redacted sections of the carter page fisa documents. and this is huge news. all russia related texts, and messages from comey, strzok, bruce ohr, they all might be released unredacted. it is truly a deep state house of