home, telling her parents, telling someone. >> martha: thank you. it's great to see you tonight. that is our story for this evening on wednesday night. send me a tweet. #thestory. back tomorrow night. see you then. ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." there is so much news happening. it took a minute what to include. we only have an hour. this is what we came up with. hillary clinton's new attitude on the f.b.i. investigation is remarkable given her previous statements. paula jones joins us later to discuss that. first up, by far the news of the day. brett kavanaugh's supreme court nomination that is in suspended animation tonight thanks as you know for allegations he assaulted a psychology professor called chrstine blasey ford some 36 years ago. while both of them were still in high school. despite blanket media coverage, the basic details of the story is murky. ford has not said when or where it happened and she said

she didn't tell a soul about it for three decades. there is significant inconsistencies in her account but we have never doubted her sincerity and we never questioned her motives. unless we learn new facts that give us reason to, we won't do that. we will give her every benefit of every doubt. but there is another side as well. brett kavanaugh. he also has a family and a career and a reputation. all have been gravely damaged by the claims. the democrats could have helped clear it up weeks ago if they asked kavanaugh about ford's story as he sat before them for days in the u.s. senate. that is what hearings are for. but they didn't do that. instead they hid what they knew to cause maximum political damage. in the process they overturned his life. they also overturn chrstine blasey ford's life. she asked to remain anonymous. democrats betrayed her and dragged her in the public eye. ford says she has had to leave her home because of threats. al democrats in the senate did that for partisan advantage. you should keep that in mind the next time they lecture you about how much they care about

women. what happens next? 36 hours ago democrats wered a mant that ford get a hearing -- adamant that ford get a hearing on capitol hill. that the nomination couldn't move forward until she did. that is only fair. but now they are saying the opposite. watch hawaiian senator saying having ford testify in front of the senate would con tu tute a form of a -- constitute a form of abuse. >> i'm disappointed who have come forward to say we should hear from her. now she is expecting a modicum of fairness so she is not victimized are saying if she doesn't want to testify, we should go ahead. that is callousness i'm appalled by. >> they are trying to set up a he said or she said scenario to bully her for testifying on monday or not heard at all. >> the people in congress on the senate judiciary committee, the white men -- old, by the way -- are not protecting women. they are protecting a man who is probably guilty.

>> tucker: did you catch the last part? not just men but old, white men. the worst kind. the kind you who should be punished just for who they are. if nothing else the story opened a window into how many on the left really think. 's a tribal world view where people are not regarded as individuals with distinct personalities but faithless member of ethnic blocs sorted by genes and how you are born determines your belief. but remember, you are nazi here. so shut up. you find this brand of the hard identity politics disgusting or you don't. hillary clinton is drawn to it like a bear of doughnuts and she came out of semi-retirement to weigh in at length on cable news. this is how she said the trump administration should respond to allegations against brett kavanaugh. watch. >> the white house could answer it very quickly by asking the f.b.i. to reopen

the background check and take into account the accusation that has been made and to gather the evidence about what can be known. what the white house and the republicans on the committee are trying to do is basically put her in the dock and try to rush this through. >> tucker: just pause for a minute and savor this. imagine you are hillary clinton. imagine saying something like that. you'd have to believe that the internet doesn't exist and there is no record at all about things you said in public about claims of sexual abuse. we have access to the internet here as well as a long memory. hillary clinton has said a lot about the sexual assault allegations. credible allegations including of rape all aimed at her husband bill for many women over many years.

she sounded different then like a different person. but she was fighting for political power. listen so how she belittles the claims of the abuse survivors. >> we are right in the middle of a rather vigorous feeding frenzy. people are saying all coop of things, putting out the rumor and innuendo. very unfortunate turn of events that we are using the criminal justice system to try to achieve political ends in this country. i think a lot of this is deliberately designed to sensational charges against my husband because everything else they tried has failed. the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is the vast right wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president. >> tucker: how times have changed. one thing that has not changed is thor -- torrent of

propaganda from the left. they will say anything. and a former obama appointee that is posing as a journalist at cnn summed up the news this way. the offer to chrstine blasey ford is blunt. testify in public six days from now while under death threats or your allegation will be ignored in the confirmation of a scotus nominee. they are jeopardizing ford's life by asking her to tell her story. not is only this dumb, it's factually wrong. they want ford to testify to get it over with to vote. they offered to interview her privately in california. senator grassley sent a letter to the effect recently. democrat ospose that, they would like to ride this to november and beyond. instead the left is calling for f.b.i. investigation but they want nothing to do with this. so now they are demanding trump order the f.b.i. to investigate the story. investigate what exactly? where would you start? ford cannot even state

definitively what year it supposedly happened. why would the f.b.i. be involved? no one alleged a federal crime. if you want justice you'd bring it to police in the maryland. a state with no statute of limitations on sex crimes. how would it end? ford says kavanaugh was a juvenile at the time. if evidence of guilty emerged would he be tried as a minor? would the record be sealed afterwards so it wouldn't overshadow his life? if that sounds like absurd questions, the whole thing is absurd. the democrats don't care about chrstine blasey ford or they wouldn't have ousted her in the first place. they care about keeping a republican off the court. that's fine. if that is the case, make the case why kavanaugh's ideas are wrong. but don't destroy a man simply because he is in the way. that is what they are doing and the rest of us should stop playing along and say it out loud. christie is joining us. thank you for coming on. first, who cares about chrstine blasey ford? if you really cared about her

personally why would you violate her request to remain anonymous as the democrats did? >> it's important to understand to take a step back and understand why we are talking about her at all. we are trying to get a window in to who brett kavanaugh is as a person. his judicial views and sense of morality. a guy sitting on the highest court in land he is the arbiter of right and wrong for every man, woman and child in the country. so she has something to say about his sense of morals. just as the story we heard about how he is the coach of -- >> tucker: i'm not denying that. i don't think it is a stupid point at all. but it doesn't absecure the point this is done -- obscure the point this is done in her name and we need to take her voice seriously as survivor of an attack. she asked for anonymity and the democrats outed her and now she has had to leave her home. how do you say you care about

her when you destroy her life? >> she came forward. >> tucker: after they leaked the letter. >> journalists find out -- >> tucker: how do you think the journalists find out, do you think? >> i'm not sure. >> tucker: we are sure. the journalists told us and there is no owe way. diems in the congress leaked her identity to journalists. how can you do that and say you care about her? >> she is willing to tell her story. she wanted one that she told privately initially and now she is happy to tell it. >> tucker: are you bothered by that? a survivor says keep me anonymous but you betray her for political reasons? you think it's okay? >> i'm more bothered by the idea she is facing death threats from people who don't want her to tell the story against brett kavanaugh. she is scheduled to in a matter of a few days have to get in front of the entire country, probably on a dais next to the person she says raped her. tell the story all over again.

>> tucker: factual matter. she is not saying anyone raped her. >> attempted. >> tucker: she is not saying attempted. she said it could have evolved into that. "b," she is mod asked -- not asked to testify in public. grassley said we will send staffers to california to speak with you in private. you made an allegation and you didn't want your name attached the democrats put your name to it so it's out there. why wouldn't you tell your story? we are asking to hear the story? that is abuse? how does it work? >> i think she will tell the story. all they asking for is one a little bit of time for her to get comfortable with the idea of being not just thrust in the national spotlight, which is happening to her for a while now. but to be the linchpin of the entire -- >> tucker: hold on. this is not a child. this is a woman in her 50s with a ph.d. i treat her as an adult

because i don't patronize women. i am confused how it dignifies her safety to interview her in private to get the full story? we say that is what we want. but we don't because it's not about justice. >> i don't believe that is on off. >> tucker: it is. it's in print. >> right. they said they could do it different ways but what they want to do is have the hearing on monday and get to a vote -- >> tucker: sorry. as a factual matter senator grassley is in charge of this has a letter he said we want to hear your story, period. what they really want i don't know because i'm not god but they are saying we will send someone to talk to you. why turn it down? >> they are not entirely interest to hear the story. >> tucker: why wouldn't she tell the story? i'm sorry. i have tried to be, to give every benefit of every doubt to this woman. who i have heard nine times is a nice person. but she is accused someone of sexual assault. she has obligations here, too. one is to explain herself.

it's not all about her. it's also about kavanaugh and her wife and children. >> she has. >> tucker: really? >> she has released notes from the therapist. she wrote a letter snore so we have heard all we need to hear from her? >> possibly. she is not the one on trial, tucker. >> i'm not putting her on trial. the allegations are putting a man who says he is innocent on trial. >> no. they are not. he is acting for an enormous promotion. >> tucker: this is hot about -- i know you don't care at all about justice or the individual, it's all about power. that is of course. in this case you have a -- that is obvious. but this case a father of kids and she accused him. doesn't she have an obligation to explain herself? that is important in justice system. >> she submitted a letter. why can't there be a f.b.i. investigation? like in anita hill -- >> tucker: why not maryland

investigation? >> if you are a senator, you are a lot of things but probably not established prosecuteddor or the investigation. whatever. you don't know how to get -- >> tucker: the police investigate -- >> there have been -- >> tucker: this is bizarre. >> a number of the senators said out right i'm going to listen to her story and then decide what i think happened. you won't get to bottom of it after 35 years. >> tucker: what can we know about theory that she can't explain -- i'm not attacking her. she can't explain when or where it happened. not attacking her. i'm noting the facts which are the only basis of which we make judgments in places like this. not if she is am with or white or the insane politics criteria the left are throwing out. what are the facts? she told us what she says of the facts and how will we know? >> 73% of sexual assault victims don't come forward. this is why. if they come forward there is

a presumption they did something wrong and take a man's career down. >> i'm not presuming that. i'm saying if you make an a giggs of a crime don't you have an obligation to explain what you mean? if i said christy embezzled money from me. you would say he accuse med of a felony. >> she explained it to a number of people. she told it to her husband and her lawyers and therapist. she told it to dianne feinstein. many, many times. >> tucker: why not have the bethesda police investigate? if you are serious about finding out what happened what does the f.b.i. have to do with it? >> the f.b.i. has conducted an extensive background investigation in to brett kavanaugh. >> tucker: not a criminal investigation. >> correct. but it's probably best means by which to expand the investigation. >> tucker: last question. i'm told we are out of time. do you think she should participate in the f.b.i. or

investigation or has she said enough to the therapist? we are in crazy town now. does she have an obligation? >> that is up to her. she has done more -- >> tucker: no it's. no you can't allege a felony and not explain herself. that is not up to her. i have tried to be sensitive. every american citizen who alleges a crime has an obligation against him or herself. >> she is trying to shed light on her experience with this man. it's one view. >> tucker: you are a rapist. just one view. thank youment -- thank you. what does a law enforcement official think about the allegation against kavanaugh? we will speak to one after the break. will it feel like the wheend of a journey?p working, or the beginning of something even better? when you prepare for retirement with pacific life,

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i decided that i wanted to go for electrical engineering and you need to go to college for that. if i didn't have internet in the home i would have to give up more time with my kids. which is the main reason i left the military. everybody wants more for their kids, but i feel like with my kids, they measurably get more than i ever got. and i get to do that. i get to provide that for them. >> tucker: we are continuing to cover the story around brett kavanaugh's nomination to the supreme court, which is getting crazier and murkier by the moment. it's a 36-year-old allegation. apparently impossible to disprove, even to kavanaugh accuser wos said he can never clear his name no matter what.

the national coordinator for child exploitation and comes on tonight. sense you spent your life looking into the crimes like this, what is your assessment of the allegation? >> it's interesting. as a prosecutor i look at the allegations that are generally he said, she said with two factors. what is the level of the detail of the allegation? i got this from children as young as 4 to adult men and women. what are the details to indicate veracity. is there is motive or bias to make up false accusation? here you have to say at least in respect of how it's treated, it looks political. when it comes to the level of detail, i have to say it's looking. i don't want to accuse dr. ford and i'm not accusing dr. ford of lying. all i'm saying if it was assessing this as a prosecutor, this is not a case

i could bring. >> tucker: huh. so what -- i mean, since the calls right now tonight by democrats, they are amplified by the puppets in the media, to get the f.b.i. to investigate this, to ask the president to tell the f.b.i. to investigate the crime. if you were investigating it as a former prosecutor, where would you start based on the facts we now have? >> the only thing you can do in this case in my opinion is talk to her an talk to judge kavanaugh. there are no allegations of exactly when it happened or where it took place, what the other circumstances were at the party. and so i do not understand how the f.b.i. could be expected to look into something that is first outside the jurisdiction. second, 36 years old without any level of detail to allow them to dig in and investigate. >> tucker: can we take the calls as credible or sincere? >> i don't think so. it looks to me to be very

political. you have an 11th hour allegation. really, a 13th hour allegation if you will, after the hearings were closed. there was a plenty of opportunity to ask judge kavanaugh about the allegations before they were brought out last week by senator feinstein. what i'm troubled by is you have a allegation on paper. the public heard nothing from dr. ford. so it's a paper allegation that looks to me like it is designed to bring down judge kavanaugh and ruin his life and reputation. we don't do that in the country without due process. >> tucker: we do it quite a bit now i've noticed. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: over on cnn commentator simone sanders staked out a new position wanting to hear testimony about the allegation of abuse from chrstine blasey ford and they are saying sexual abuse doesn't matter. >> the republicans on the senate judiciary committee and

what republicans in the senate at large is wrong, so is the republican president. they are saying allegation of sexual assault do not matter. >> tucker: lisa booth is a fellow at the independent women's voice. you probably saw this. the u.s. senator from hawai'i said that it's not just brett kavanaugh guilty. all men are guilty by definition because they are men. it's not that she believed ford but all when because they are -- all because they are women. is that the core of the feminist promise? >> it's the core of the #metoo movement. remember emily linden, columnist for "teen vogue" and she tweeted out it's okay if innocent men are caught up in the #metoo movement because it serves a broader purpose. i fundamentally disagree with that. that is the problem with the #metoo movement, it only considers the accuser and it doesn't consider the accused. judge kavanaugh's life hangs in the balance here. that is my bigger problem. he won't get a fair hearing.

there is to due process in court of public opinion. if his life and his career is railroaded and he is innocent, that is a problem. we should care as a society to get it right and having balance here. >> tucker: isn't it the idea we don't punish the innocent and we doe believe in collective punishment, punishing because you are in a group you didn't choose to join. aren't those the core promises of america? why are all the rich and the powerful people saying the opposite? >> they shouldn't be, tucker. but to the broader point of wanting an f.b.i. investigation, as the previous guest said. what is there to investigate? tord doesn't remember where, when or how she got there or how she got home. but we are supposed to believe the veracity of the central and the critical claim that judge kavanaugh attempted to try to rape or assault her simply based on her gender. that is wrong. the allegations are for 36 years ago. if that is the premise of precedent we want to stant moving forward, someone like

cory booker who wrote in a college paper you tried to take advantage of a drunk 15-year-old girl, then he is disqualified from running for office in 2020 or president. we have reached peak insanity as a country and this is important to take a step back and examine facts to look and realize judge kavanaugh's life also hangs in the balance. innocent men could get swept up in the entire movement. >> tucker: people are terrified in the country. not just guilty people. but innocent people. decent people. afraid of mob. the left is out of control. thank you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: president trump ordered declassification of the documents related to the russia investigation. he may not get his wish. bureaucracy preparing to fight back. question is who controls classified information in america? elected president or unelected bureaucrats? that's next. [ horn honking ] [ engine revving ] what's that, girl? [ engine revving ] flo needs help?! [ engine revving ] take me to her!

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branch serves exclusively the president of the united states. that is the point of it. for centuries nobody disputed that because it's in constitution and it makes sense. the president is elect and the bureaucrats who work for him are not. they can't be removed. now thanks to trump, bureaucrats make a new play for supremacy in this country. earlier this week they ordered the declassification of documents related to the russia investigation. but according to the news reports officials at the d.o.j., f.b.i. and office of the director of the national intelligence are planning to defy the orders and keep some of them redacted regardless of what the president, their boss, says. tom fitton spent a lot of time around redacted documents. the president of judicial watch. which has exposed a lot of this information to public view. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: the claim made on the left and the beauty is we're going to find out in end. i can't wait. but some of the documents airing them many public will jeopardize the intel agencies and the american security.

is that true? >> it's not true. it's demonstrated in the prior release not true. the fisa that is partially declassified thanks to the personal intervention by the president showed corruption. they were using the d.n.c. dossier to fraudulently mislead a court to -- >> tucker: they tried to keep it classified. >> not only that, when we first asked for them, they refused to confirm or deny it existed. >> tucker: wait. they can only -- if i understand the law, they can only keep it classified. they don't own the documents. it belongs to us, the americans. they can only keep it classified if it's a matter of national service. but they have kept it? >> that is what is shown. bob goodlatte has reviewed the documents that the president is seeking to declassify and he knows there is nothing there in term of protecting the national security.

the media complaining about this in this scandal was happily reporting classified information that but rightfully classified and the release of which would harm national security and harm citizens. >> tucker: wait. you are saying when journalists tell us their job is to make sure we have less information and know less about what the government is doing, they are in on the scam themselves? >> not only that. they are aware of the government officials who may have broken the law leaking classified information. >> tucker: the allegiance is to the bureaucrats not the viewers or readers is what you are saying. >> right. president in genius way by many passing thepedia releasing documents in a lawful way to the american people. opposed through the illegal leaks where classified information isn't protected. that the traditional washington way. >> tucker: very quick, since you have done it for so long, have you ever come out of the media come out on side of secrecy and against the public's right to know? >> in this case they have.

this is the trump bias. keeping it classified is designed to make it harder for president trump to defend himself against the lawlessness. the information related to the fisa warrant, text messages and the existence of the fisa warrant helped protect the deep state being held accountable for misconduct in the obama administration well into this administration. >> tucker: they are so corrupt. the press is so corrupt. >> we are waiting for documents. all we want is documents under law. the president did a heroic act. >> they belong to us. to the public. not to john brennan. thank you. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: colleges led the way on segregation a generation or two ago. weirdly now, they're resegregating students by race. and the left supports it. we'll try to right that in the next second. and paula jones joins us the talk about hillary clinton's change of opinion on the

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>> tucker: a half century ago college students helped lead the charge for desegregation in this country. particularly in schools. thank heaven they did. now amazingly, colleges are leading a charge to resegregate the student bodies. there are many examples of this. here is one. university of maryland a group called white awake meets weekly to give students of a certain race a safe space to talk about racial issues. for real. university of north carolina and charlotte, white consciousness conversation is advertised a way to develop antiracist practice. what is this? we have a from knows somewhere of african-american studies at university of maryland. jason, thank you for coming on. >> anytime. >> tucker: i grew up believing that the desegregation of schools of the student body is one of the crowning achievements of the american history. it didn't all of our problems

be it was important and righteous thing to do. i still feel that way. how weird is it to watch colleges resegregate and say there are americans just for certain races? when did that happen? why are we for that? >> again, well, this is going to be an historic moment as well. i will agree with you on one level. i think the programs for white students are segregation and a big mistake. even if the purpose is to make people more aware. it's a bad idea to have the programs. you can't learn -- >> tucker: for my -- >> these are for the white students. you can't learn aboutdy rearsty and learn about multiculturalism in an exclusive environment. there is a difference of separation and segry gation. >> tucker: -- separation and segregation. >> tucker: i don't agree with that. it's apartheid argument.

>> no, it's not. >> tucker: if you are for diversity, why are you segregated any race? i'm for integration. i think i'm the last one. >> are you really? >> tucker: i'm arguing for it now. >> i'm in agreement talking about the white students at a predominantly white institution. >> tucker: how does it help them learn about diversity to be walled off from people that are different? >> students in color are custom to diverse environments. there is a difference between the segregation and separation. >> tucker: not true. no, no. >> different power plays. >> tucker: i know the numbers on this. >> okay. >> tucker: the average american black high school student goes to a school that is less diverse than the average black high school student went to 30 years ago. >> at the university of maryland, they go to class where -- >> tucker: a lot of the

people come from highly non-diverse background where even they know is the same color of them. how does it help them to understand diversity to place people just like them? >> i will tell you. number one being in, at the university of maryland. if you're a black student, latino or asian pacific islander, and you go to the university of maryland, you will be in an environment sometimes where you are the only black or brown or whatever person. many you are a white student you may be in exclusive environment all the time and you don't need exclusion from other groups. >> tucker: so it is okay to segregation except for white students. >> power plays a role in this. >> tucker: there are ton of power lest white people in this country. life expectancy is declining. >> if you want to talk life

expectancy, african-american life expectancy is still five years behind. >> tucker: that is terrible. i'm against that. i couldn't agree with you more. you don't want to generalize because of a whole group because of a skin color. that is wrong. >> absolutely. i agree we need groups that are diverse and african-americans and latinos, we need people to come together. >> tucker: melting pot. i'm for that. i'm taking the opposition position from bill connor. i'm totally opposed to segregation. >> i'm glad. >> tucker: the university of maryland and harvard which has a separation graduation ceremony for black kids. >> so, those separate graduation ceremonies don't require the black -- >> tucker: they're cool. i get it. >> i didn't say that. >> tucker: we have to con the conversation. >> the absolutely. >> tucker: thank you. professor nichols, great to see you. there anytime. >> thank you. democratic socialist in government have apparently been caught on video brag about performing split -- bragging about performing

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>> tucker: well, a new video appears to show state department employee stewart carafa bragging he does political work for the democratic socialists of america while on the clock at his taxpayers-funded job. watch this. >> tucker: emotional bandwidth. that is how they talk in the u.s. government. another video shows a

paralegal bragging she can use the resources to plan political harassment. watch this. >> tucker: we should say we haven't independently verified the authenticity but after living in washington for years this stuff definitely happens. the d.o.j. said they are investigating the video and the people in them but for now we are inclined to agree with the people you saw. it is basically impossible to fire a federal employee. if they get fired, they would probably get a book deal. maybe we shouldn't encourage it. no secret the left have become unglued in the age of trump.

if you need a eare -- need a refresher. here is one. >> may say "maxine don't say impeachment anymore." i say impeachment, i peachment, impeachment. >> this is as close as i'll have to i am spartacus moment. >> this time, they, not you, have ally in the white house. there is a small percentage of people, virulent people, sol of them the dregs of society. >> the men in the country just shut up and step up. to the right thing for a change. >> tucker: people didn't used to talk like that. you are seeing descent to madness. what is causing this? we are joined by a seen year fellow at the -- senior fellow at the hoover institute. what is the cause of the mass hiser they on the left now? -- hysteria on the left now?

>> in june, trump was inching to 45. then the michael cohen and stormy daniels gave an opening and then the progressives said time is running out before the midterm. so we saw the hijacking. it was a hijacking of the mccain funeral. next a weird op-ed anonymous to suggest there was on ongoing coup in the trump administration. and then woodward back on and taking up where omarosa and michael wolf left off. then the echo chamber where the old guard liberal wing birthed a race, class, gender child and now it's devouring them. and hillary clinton says i'm a has been but i can give lecture about the right of a woman accuser, ironic. then we had dianne feinstein playing the key role where she thought she have an insurance

policy, anonymous letter to see if the hearings derailed kavanaugh. if they didn't, she would whip it around. that would destroy kavanaugh. it didn't work. so she was left with an orwellian situation, i don't know if this is true. i will put it out there. we live in a world of jurisprudence where any of us are subject to a charge anonymous 36 years from our past we don't know the location or the time of the incident. but the accuser will tell the government agency the conditions under which the accused shall be investigated. and i don't know how this is all going to react, tucker, but they think they are creating a blue wave. it may be that people where i am in central valley or western pennsylvania said you know what? that is why i voted for trump. i didn't see alternative to the madness. or they don't want to live in a world we live the anonymous charge rules over the lo

jobbing and the rational inquiry. >> tucker: he is a flawed guy but the people are starting to scare us. thank you. so smart. as always. >> thank you. >> tucker: hillary clinton changed her view on f.b.i. investigations into -- it's hilarious. i feel a laugh rising! to sold sexual abuse allegations. paula jones watched this for many years and she joins us next to assess hillary's change of heart. stay tuned. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from an allergy pill? flonase relieves sneezing, itchy, watery eyes and a runny nose, plus nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief. flonase. you need insurance. but it's not really something you want to buy. it's not sexy. or delicious. or fun. but since you need both car and home insurance,

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she sued sexual bill clinton for sexual harassment once upon a time. she is watching this. we wondered what she thought of it. so we asked her to come on. thank you for coming on. >> how are you? >> tucker: well, but baffled. not as baffled as what you must be. what do you make of hillary clinton's new position on the sexual harassment claims? >> it's unbelievable. if she feels like all women should be heard and i know she was quoted saying that, that all women should have a right to be heard. i totally agree with that. then why not me, kathleen and juanita? why didn't she allow us the right to be heard? and listen to us to see, have an investigation. talk to us. even when she was running for president. it never did happen. >> tucker: it's not just that your claims weren't heard by federal law enforcement. it's that she and her staff attacked you personally as someone who is a mercenary and someone out of a trailer park and chasing $100 bill.

horrible things about you. have you ever gotten over that? i don't know if i would. >> no. it's very difficult. it's very, it's frustrating that she can say this stuff now. even though with the youtube movement which is wonderful, you know, that it is coming out. it should be about all women. all women. it doesn't matter if it's against your husband or who it is against. your pastor or whoever. >> tucker: right. >> all women should have a right to be heard. they are the ones making it political. it has nothing to do with political stuff. this is not about republican or democrat. this is not about what a left wing or a right wing conspiracy. >> tucker: of course. >> it's about what is right and what is wrong. it should not matter what the political status is of the person that has done the assault. period.

>> tucker: do the professional feminist leaders who dismissed you as a trashy mercenary apologize to you? did gloria steinham say sorry to you? >> no. i have never heard anything. i have never been, no, i have never been talked to by any of the people that support the #metoo movement, which is absolutely wonderful like i said. but nobody has talked to me. to say you know what? we should have gave you a chance and gave you an opportunity. i was alone. i was alone in this vast world. trying to prove what had happened to me. i never got any kind of support from any women whatsoever. it was disheartening. you know? all women deserve a right to be heard. regardless of republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, whatever. everybody has a right to be heard. whatever the outcome is. then that is when somebody can give a public opinion.

>> tucker: exactly. exactly. paula jones. makes me sad just thinking about what happened to you. thank you for that. great to see you. >> thanks. >> tucker: we'll be back tomorrow. the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness and group thinking. >> sean: thank you. i have known pall ab for many year -- paula for many years. welcome to "hannity." this is america at a precipice. this is an important night. all elected officials in washington, d.c., have an opportunity for more importantly an obligation to protect your rights, uphold the value of the constitution on every important issue that we now face. we have people on the left in this country, democrats in this case. they are putting politics first. sadly the constitution and the constitution second. i'll explain in detail. running roughshod over the principle we hold dear. presumption of innocence. we have many on the left