president clearly weighing in about 48 hours before this public hearing takes place between judge brett kavanaugh and his accuser. >> now it's on the calendar for thursday, 10:00 a.m. more to come right next on "outnumbered" ." >> melissa: fox news alert, new reaction a supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh is now speaking publicly denying sexual misconduct allegations an exclusive fox news interview. kavanaugh is also vowing to fight on as democrats are stepping up their push to derail his nomination. this is "outnumbered," and i'm melissa francis. here today is harris faulkner. fox nation host tomi lahren, former director of strategic communications for the hillary clinton campaign adrienne elrod and joining us on the couch today, lawrence jones, editor in chief of campus reform and he is "outnumbered." we've got a lot to get to. >> harris: got some superstars on the couch today, big laws we

like to call you in texas. >> melissa: let's get to it. we are now hearing from kevin on his own words just days ahead of what's expected to be dramatic capitol hill testimony where the woman accusing him of attempted sexual assault in high school is due to be questioned and after a second woman comes forward alleging that kavanaugh exposed himself to her at a college party. now kavanaugh, joined by his wife ashley, defending himself an exclusive interview with their own martha maccallum. watch. >> the truth is, i have never sexually assaulted anyone in high school or otherwise. i am not questioning and have not questioned that perhaps dr. ford at some point in her life was sexually assaulted by someone in someplace, but what i know is i have never sexually assaulted anyone in high school or at any time in my life. if >> i've known him for 17 years and this is not at all --

it's really hard to believe. he is decent, he is kind, he is good. i know his heart. >> i'm just asking for a fair process where i can be heard and defend my integrity and defend my family's integrity. >> harris: if >> melissa: democe been calling to halt the process amid new allegations. senator blumenthal says the interview poses new troubles. >> this interview raises and expands the credibility problems that judge kavanaugh may have with respect to his relationships to women, drinking, his high school years, the hiding of documents, the blocking of an fbi investigatio investigation, they all raise the question what are they concealing the what are they afraid of the american people seeing? 's pty has press secretary sarah sanders saying that democrats have had it in for kavanaugh from the start.

watch. >> the democrats have been calling him guilty from day one before that ever even talk to him. they sit through hours of hearings and never brought it up, never talk to him in private meetings and waited until the last minute to start throwing out some outrageous allegations that have no corroboration which i find really terrible. >> melissa: chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill with the latest. >> good afternoon, there are number of senators here and capitol hill expressing frustration who have worked with and known judge brett kavanaugh over the years and they say he deserves better treatment. >> look, this is america here. we are supposed to uphold fairness and the perception of innocence. everyone deserves better than this. everyone. not just judge kavanaugh, everyone deserves better. >> judge kavanaugh is expected

to have the opportunity to defend his integrity and his reputation at a hearing on thursday. he told fox news martha maccallum he is just seeking a fair process and his allies here say that has not been the case with democrats. >> to the democrats, they know about this since july the 30th. they chose to do nothing about it. for them to complain about the process, the allegations against judge kavanaugh are collapsing. this has been the worst low point in the senate for me and that is saying a lot. >> lawmakers are due to hear from accuser christine ford who alleges judge kavanaugh sexually assaulted her back in high school in a senior democrat says this has been rough on her too. >> she is exposing herself to ridicule, harassment, attack even by the president of the united states in his tweets. her family is in danger and they've had to move out of their homes, their computers have been hacked. she has had to engage attorneys

and get into lengthy negotiations with republicans in the senate. >> it's only he said, she said if you don't do an investigation and you don't listen to the rest of the witnesses. there is additional evidence here and that evidence should be brought before the united states senate. >> the stakes are incredibly high for thursday's hearing and the pressure will be very intense. >> mike emanuel, thank you so much for that. it was really tough to watch the interview last night, to watch a potential future justice basically in tears saying, this is more than i ever thought we needed to know, it was really tough to watch. >> lawrence: kept calling for fairness, i didn't even talk about the supreme court, he was talking about having a fair hearing before the senate. but i hate to tell the justice

future justice. >> harris: going to have to cut in with breaking news. we have the president at the u.n. general assembly today is met with the president of columbia and was asked some questions about judge kavanaugh. let's watch together. >> president trump: try to make them into something, let's be nice about it, that he's not. he has a high-quality person, a great intellect, you're also not seeing him on his footing. this isn't his footing. he has never been here before. he's never had any charges like this. charges come up from 36 years ago that are totally unsubstantiated? you watching this is the president of a great country, you must think how is this possible? 76 years ago, nobody ever knew about it or heard about it and now a new charge comes up and she said it might not be him and there were gaps and said she was totally inebriated, all messed

up. she doesn't know if it was him, but it might've been him. does not make him a supreme court judge because of that. this is a con game being played by the democrats also. take a look at the lawyers. these lawyers are the same layers that have been fighting for years. they keep fighting. take a look at the lawyers. and it's a shame that you can do this to a person's life. i'll tell you, maybe even more important, who is going to want to go before the system to be a supreme court judge were to be a judge were to be even a politician? i can tell you that false accusation and false accusations of all types are made against a lot of people. this is a high-quality person and i certainly hope -- it would be a horrible insult to our country. it will be a horrible thing for

future political people and judges, anything you want, it would be a horrible thing. it cannot be allowed to happen. the democrats are playing a con game. they know it's a con game. did they know he's high-quality. and they weaken each other. they know it's a con game. >> with a second accuser be allowed to testify on thursday, would you welcome that? >> the second accuser has nothing. the second accuser thinks maybe he could have been him, maybe not. she admits she was drunk. she admits time lapses. this is a person and this is a series of statements that's going to take one of the most talented government of the greatest intellects from a judicial standpoint in our country going to keep him off the united states supreme court. i said something this morning,

he has a chance to be one of the greatest justices ever in the united states supreme court. what a shame, and what a shame it is for some of the other people whose world that doesn't. that's not his world and is not their world. these are legitimate people. if they're not in the world of cons in the world of obstruct in the of resist. he never thought this was even a possibility, he can't believe this is happening. his wife is devastated. his children are devastated. i don't mean like i'm a little unhappy. they are devastated. and it's because these democrats and they know when i see schumer who never even saw this woman, i believe her 100% of these other senators that i deal with on a daily basis, i know them better than they know themselves.

it is just a game to them. but it's a very dangerous game for our country. thank you very much. >> harris: the present they're going as far to defend his supreme court nominee to say that this is a con game by democrats. and he earlier had said that he might be according to the white house open to hearing a second accuser against judge kavanaugh but you heard him saying right there that the woman, the second accuser was inebriated according to her, doesn't remember some of the pertinent details in her allegations against judge kavanaugh. he says this is not his personal footing. he has never been in the situation before. the president there and you might not have been able to see the way it was framed, but he was standing next to the president's of columbia because they were having a meeting of these questions from reporters came up. we got a note quickly in breaking news fashion, let's get to this and that we see why. right on point as we continue the conversation here on out

numbered. we do i'll go back to you, finish your thought. >> lawrence: went to pick up at the president said, this is a con job because we have seen what happens when democrats can't go through the legal process, this is what happens. they decide that they want the court of public opinion because they don't have enough evidence. we saw it in the university of virginia case where the rolling stones wrote this big article about this and ended up having to pay these guys because they did not have enough evidence to take this to court of law. the judge keep saying that he wants fairness, he's not going to get fairness. the only way is in a court of law. speaking with the president said there, we get to a place where you could see only be women who are nominated for a post and promoted to ceo at this point because anybody else it seems like could be vulnerable. at the same time can you hear from executives who say i don't want to hire women anymore because it's too dangerous for me. there are so many externalities to this.

>> tomi: it puts women at a bad position because it means we are getting a position not because of our merit but because we are the safe option or it means we are not getting a position because the males that were around feel that it's too dangerous, they're afraid of lawsuits and allegations. puts women in a difficult position and furthermore, i live in los angeles, that is the birthplace of this whole me too movement, it started out in what i believe is a great thing which was bringing women out that had actually been assaulted and were coming out and saying this happened to me, we've been quiet for too long and it turned ugly, then it turned to this. it turned into i can make some politically convenient allegations, ruin someone's life in someone's family and we can do it all in the name of the me too movement but really, is democrat driven, it's hollywood driven and i think the american people are really sick and tired of it. >> harris: i bet you want to respond to that. >> adrienne: here's what i want to say, if judge kavanaugh truly believes he's innocent and we don't know, we'll see what happens on thursday and this is not going to be decided in front of a jury, it's going to be decided by a panel of senators and who will largely be driven

by the court of public opinion. exactly, 36 years ago. if he truly is innocent, why not allow for an fbi investigation? if i were him, i would say i want my name cleared, so i want the fbi, i want the law. >> harris: can i just have been for a minute? we have now gotten to a place that was mrs. ford and now you are suggesting that judge kavanaugh do it, are we in a place where american citizens can just say fbi, go do this? because he's not saying he doesn't want to see this but as the senate's place, others peoples place to call for an investigation. is that the judges and quite frankly, it's not mrs. ford's either. >> adrienne: he is trying to seek confirmation to the highest court in the land with a lot of steak it. so he does -- if i were him, i would do everything in my power to say let's get an outside convening entity here to try to determine. >> lawrence: are you going to call the same thing for keith ellison who is the vice chair of

your party? >> adrienne: absolutely. i actually think keith ellison should step down from the dnc. >> lawrence: you are the first. >> harris: is that enough? considering everything that he is accused of doing, is stepping down enough, giving up a paycheck? you don't want to see an fbi investigation? >> adrienne: i personally choose to always believe that women in the circumstance. >> tomi: as a woman have, how can you say just that we should be believed. you don't think they are capable of lying and scheming, he worked for hillary clinton so i guess you know that. do you think we should just take women's word as gospel? that's infuriating to me as a woman because i don't look at other women and say i'm just going to believe you because we have the same biological making. i think that's wrong. >> adrienne: that's the problem that we have right now, a lot of women who are scared to come forward, i believe that when something happened in this case 36 years ago and dr. ford finally has the courage to come forward and a lot of other women

are finally having the courage to come forward. >> melissa: one at a time, let her finish. >> adrienne: i think when we have these conversations like this, we are discouraging women who truly have been victims of sexual assault and harassment from being able to come forward. >> harris: the whole process is discouraging for women. >> melissa: there was a discouragement to come forward, but now we are at a point where it seems like people feel comfortable going forward and didn't we kind of see this coming when people started saying you have to believe the women no matter what? a red light went off and a lot of people's minds where you said wait a second, it doesn't make sense to believe any group of people no matter what they say. based on the group that they are. are. maybe listen to them and you go look into it and you show them respect, but you don't automatically decide -- i think

she has been listen to and she has been shown respect and she's been invited to come and tell her story. i'm not totally convinced we're going to see her on thursday because her team keeps changing the demands. at first, they said that they wouldn't have senators involved and then somebody else was going to have to at those questions and now they're offended by that. they keep changing the rules around it. i think everybody deserves to be heard and to be respected, but you don't get to be believed automatically. >> harris: i want to give you the last word just in terms of what we could see later this week and what you're watching for. >> lawrence: i don't think she's going to show. people have been very critical of the people asking questions because quite frankly, the story hasn't checked out with the witnesses. people are saying they weren't there, people are saying they don't understand why they were mentioned and i'm sorry, i used to be a democrat and i remember the stories of the democrats when they told me remember emmett till. because people do lie. so this is new for the democratic party because this is not justice. this man -- that should be settled in a court of law but it can't.

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when they can. he did not mince words. he talked about the portion that we will pay for the global fund to fight certain things around the world and what others should pay. >> lawrence: even talked about the other nations would've been able to do it, he talked about saudi arabia and india so this wasn't just a president talking about america's strength and what we've contributed to the world. he is saying to other countries, you can do it and these are examples of the other countries that have. >> harris: earlier on fox news, bill richardson, democrat, strong person in your party is talking about giving the president credit in certain areas and saying he has made progress particularly with north korea. >> adrienne: i was into that interview but i thought he did make some good points and brought up the fact that he was happy to see the president take a harder line on a russian which is good for any of us to see at this point. with this whole america first in american sovereignty notion that the president is constantly

executing from his team, we've also got to keep in mind it's important to have relationships with our allies, important to have strong relationships with even some of our adversaries and that includes china. right now, we are in the middle of a huge trade war with china, retaliatory tariffs are not the ways to go and that something else that you saw bill richardson mentioned in that interview. >> harris: just a quick follow because i hear you and democrats saying that with america first, you've got to also make sure that everybody else too. did you think any of the countries that we are dealing with are not themselves first? >> adrienne: i did see that also raised in the interview as well. i think that of course, countries are looking for their best interest first but i think a lot of countries also recognize that to achieve their best interest, they also have to work with other countries. >> melissa: i think america has been so generous in those ways. more people out of poverty and i'm sure given more than any other nation. i think that when he talks about the defining principle as being

freedom rather than anything else and we will never tell you how to work, how to live, or how to worship, respecting other countries sovereignty as they respect ours, he talked about putting your best interest first and then he encourages other countries to do that even though they are no doubt already doing that. i think your point, putting it on interest first doesn't mean that you have to be mercenary about it. it doesn't mean is the exclusion of helping others. >> harris: let's talk about iran we can for a second. this tweet earlier despite request, i have no plans to meet with iranian president cassondra honey. maybe someday in the future, i am sure he is an absolutely lovely man. what do you think? >> tomi: this is the president style and it's effective. remember when he was calling kim jong un rocket man, the left was freaking out and said he was going to cause world war iii because the way he was talking about his and being bigger. this is how this president operates in its effective. you can look back and you can

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defenders say he is 81 years old so to go back and forth and now the sentencing we are expected to hear being read inside that courtroom at 1:30 p.m. eastern. if we will bring that to you live. the reporting of it as well. all of the details as they happen. the white house not offering any assurances on the future of the robert mueller investigation amid growing questions about whether deputy attorney general rod rosenstein's days on the job are numbered. if president trump is do to meet with rosenstein on thursday. should he stay or go? whether the president will wait until after the midterms to make the call. we will debate it, stay close. >> i think this be a probe should end because they've spent a year and a half and found nothing because there is nothin nothing. t by 2030, half of america may take after stonington, self-employed and without employer benefits.

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>> melissa: fox news alert, president trump says he is looking forward to his meeting on 30 with the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein

after his appearance at the white house yesterday sparked a flurry of reports. at that rosenstein was resigning or expected to be fired. and today, axios reported obtaining a copy of an exit statement drafted for mr. rosenstein by the justice department, one of president trump's lawyers that if he resigns, robert miller's russian probe should be paused. today, white house press secretary sarah sanders said she would go further. >> i'd go a step further, i think it should end because they spent a year and a half and they found nothing because there is nothing. there was no collusion, i think the american people are ready for this to wrap up. we have seen absolutely no shred of evidence that the president or anybody on his team had any wrongdoing in the campaign and i think it's time to wrap this up and move forward. >> melissa: democrats warned that firing rosenstein could harm the mueller investigation of a former director national

intelligence james clapper says the russian probe cannot be stopped. >> at this stage, i think the speed investigation pretty far-reaching and there are tentacles of it that extend beyond the immediate investigation. so i think it would be very hard to turn it all off even if the president wanted to, which i guess he would. so i don't think rosenstein's departure necessarily imperils the speed investigation. >> melissa: that seems to make sense just logistically. >> tomi: you think so, talking about the court of opinion but i think midterms for republicans in vulnerable situations, it would be bad if you were to resign or to be fired. i think again, they would just scream russia collusion, the president is trying to get rid of everybody that's critical of him and that will be the narrative going into midterms and though have even more steam

with that narrative. so i do think that politically, it's a mistake. we are dealing with the court of public opinion once again. but the republicans don't seem to share that point of view even though it makes a lot of sense. >> are articles of impeachment against rod rosenstein currently pending, any member of congress can call those up and they have to be dealt with within two days. if our leadership will not put rod rosenstein and that witness chairs of the american people can get answers, mark meadows and i are prepared to call up his impeachment and force a vot vote. >> melissa: what do you think? >> adrienne: i think were going to agree on this one. it would be absolutely horrendous for the president right now if you were to fire rosenstein. >> melissa: what about that? would have congressional republicans called him up and try to impeach him? >> adrienne: that also seem something that is not what republicans want to be messing with when almost 40 days away from the midterms. again, going back to the speed

investigation, robert mueller is putting his head down to getting his job done, you don't see any leaks from his team, you don't see any public statements from him because he is trying to get to the bottom of whether or not there was collusion with russia by the truck campaign. that is where the focus is. to try to get rid of rosenstein and to try to politicize this further in any way it is only to detract from this. >> melissa: everybody else would say that's not what getting rid of rod rosenstein is actually about. it's about the fact that there were six people in a room according to these memos sitting there and discussing potentially wiretapping the president, how to get rid of him, went to get to the bottom of what was actually said in that room and what is going on? >> lawrence: you took the words out of my mouth. i know democrats want to make this always about russia but i don't care if you are at fox news or some local job come if you say you're going to wiretap your boss, you're going to get fired. i think the president should allow members of congress to handle this. the problem is there are so many

of them on tv but from what i hear on capitol hill, they haven't even called him and to be questioned about this matter. so there's a lot of talk about impeachment and bring him on capitol hill but the requests haven't even been made yet. if >> harris: the request is not out there. i would just say this. from what i understand of how the process would work, firing or having rosenstein offering up his resignation at this point, it wouldn't necessarily mean that anything would wrap up in terms of the speed investigation before the midterm election. so now you have this great distraction going on which doesn't have to happen before the midterm elections. the question is, does the president deserve to have people and i'm talking specifically about jeff sessions now to have people of the justice department who he feels are furthering his policies and agendas. >> adrienne: is also important to rumor that the attorney general of the united states and the employees

of the department of justice or the american people. they're not serving the president. so that is what is important here. he seems to conflate this. he seems to get confuse from time to time where he thinks that session should only be doing what he asks them to do when sessions main job is to uphold the law. speed when sessions has recused himself so on things like the border and immigration all the other policies of the president may very pleased with him. but now you've got a man who buried >> lawrence: wiretapping. >> harris: he says he didn't do it. i don't know how many people would joke about putting a wire on. >> adrienne: is not funny especially in this environment. this president deserve to have people around him who are loyal to him and his and administration because that is being loyal to the american people who elected as president. at the end of the day, is not about politicizing or what donald trump wants but it is about having people around who he can trust.

>> adrienne: a president who has a team that upholds the rule of law. >> tomi: should they be joking about wire tapping him? >> melissa: the coming supreme court showdown and rush limbaugh's dark warning to republicans if the kavanaugh nomination fails. does he have a point? we are going to debate that one. >> if the republicans do not get this vote taken and have kavanaugh confirmed, you can kiss the midterms good-bye. you can kiss good-bye to holding the house and kiss good-bye to holding the senate.

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this vote taken and have him confirmed, you can kiss the midterms good-bye and to holding the house and kiss good-bye to holding the senate because whatever the democrats think of their base, the one thing i know is that if you guys fold on this and cave and keep bending over backwards, you've done that enough, you've demonstrated that you don't hate women. >> harris: meanwhile, a new survey with some good news for republicans six weeks out from the midterms, finding 45% give a favorable rating to the republican party. that's a nine-point improvement from the g.o.p. at this time last year. i saw you nodding as rush limbaugh was talking just then. what were you in agreement with? >> lawrence: the fact that they're going to lose everything. this is what republican voters ask for. the supreme court and some people held their nose and voted for donald trump because of the supreme court and then you have the senate in every single way

and then they get on tv and say we're going to stand up for you, going to fight for you. if we cannot get a supreme court justice confirmed, why do we even have you guys here? to be what i have to ask the obvious question because we've been talking about women's issues and so on and so forth. is it party over what you should done i think should happen with these accusers? if you look at the polling, a republican voters choosing a supreme court nominee over what they would maybe even want to see in terms of listening to the women who have come forward? >> tomi: we are just seeing through it i think there are so many female republicans out there who are seeing through all of this and are as disturbed as i am by what's going on. the first accusation even more so the second accusation which she didn't even remember, she couldn't really recount the details, there was a gap in between. if women are looking at this especially republican women that our mothers and wives. when he walked brett kavanaugh

last night sitting next to his wife, i see my dad, just a good man wanting to serve his country and he's being ridiculed in this way, having allegations and accusations thrown at him that are unsubstantiated and having to go through this. the poor man didn't sign up for that. he didn't sign up for people just because they don't like donald trump's pick. >> adrienne: there's a lot at stake in this nomination for both parties. number one oh, yes, there are republicans out there who held their nose and said i'm going to vote for donald trump because i want to supreme court justice, i want there to be a conservative supreme court, may not like his tweets, may not like some of his mannerisms, but i want to conservative supreme court so i'm going to vote for him so they're going to be really upset going into the midterms if this is not happen. on the flip side, you got a very energized democratic base right now who wants to make sure that the court does not turn more conservative and most important he wants to make sure that roe v. wade is not overturned

which of course the risk is here. steve got both sides that are super energized right now, the democratic base expects a lot out of the democratic senators, the republican base the back base is the same. >> lawrence: is in that with this debate is all about? this is why we just voted on campus reform. releasing class, 20 professors, so kids could be bused down to washington, d.c., to protest. this is not about the allegations. this is about control of the court and if the republicans in the senate do not get that, the voters will find somebody else. >> melissa: i think people who are angry or motivated to go vote and what is going to come down to who was the most upset for those that go out and vote. every good political operatives always says it comes down to turn out. and it's what motivates people to go, that they're angry, that they're scared, it's that

negative emotion, i hate to say it but i think people make the case, there's some logic to that. >> harris: i want to present a little bit on that because you when i talked a lot about the power of speaking about a positive economy. but people don't vote out of gratitude. they don't go to the polls. >> tomi: they do out of their pocket book. the average middle american is going to say i see everything going on in the news and allegations. >> harris: don't you think is more of an adversarial type of situation like this group is going to treat me better than this group and i'm in this place right now the mother a lot of things that are working so wonderfully with this economy. you don't see people in the streets holding parades about i it. when they respond in polling, they feel better. i just don't know as melissa is pointing out if they feel good is enough to get you to the polls. >> tomi: is why we got to get out there. we have to vote with our pocketbook because this president is succeeding economically. that's what the american people

should be voting on. >> harris: we will move on, with the government shutdown women, we haven't even talked about that. congress looking to pass up. a cool spending bill but without funding for a border wall. should president trump signed it without the wall he's been advocating for or should he shut down the government over it? he said he probably wouldn't do it before the midterm elections, we will talk about it.

be to the white house is set to pass a spending bill by the sundays deadline to prevent a government shutdown. it's already passed the senate that will president trump sign it? the key issue here is the border wall which president trump promised to build during his presidential campaign. this bill doesn't provide funding for it. earlier today and his address at the u.n. general assembly, he touched on the wall. >> we have started the construction of a major border wall and we have greatly strengthened border security. we believe that when nations respect the rights of their neighbors and defend the interests of their people, they can better work together to secure the blessings of safety, prosperity, and peace. >> melissa: last week, he tweeted "i want to know where is the money for border security and the wall in this particular

spending bill and where will it come from after the midterms? dems are obstructing law enforcement and border security, republicans must finally get tough." i can't decide who this issue of not having the money in there for the wall helps and hurts because some would say it represents a promise that republicans have been fulfilled. others would say it's a great rallying cry to say i need insert name of candidate here from your district to win so that he can help me get that wall. >> tomi: i think you should push forward and midterms. i disagree with everyone saying we don't want to do it, we don't want to shut it down before the midterms. i say if you feel vulnerable because you don't know where you stand on the wall on the you don't believe you're going to fund the wall, maybe you shouldn't be representing your constituents who clearly want to border wall, who voted on a border wall, who want border enforcement and immigration law to be enforced. i say make them vulnerable. this is what the american people want. we want border security and border enforcement and a wall.

>> adrienne: there is no reason why the government should shut down this time around. the funding is not in this bill, but we have heard the song and dance from the president time and time again. the government is not going to shut down over this and also if it does for some reason, this will be completely on republicans because they have full control of the house and of course the white house. and they don't want is going to the midterms. republicans do not want to have to deal with the government shutdown when we are approximately 42 days from the midterms. >> melissa: if he signs a bill and doesn't include that border wall funding, does that hurt the republican side? >> lawrence: it definitely is. he's going to shut down the government this time because his base wants them to. the american people that elected him want him to. the bottom line is the republicans always get the blame when it's a government shutdown anyway. >> adrienne: because you guys are in full control. maybe they deserve it now. if they're not going to fund the border wall, the republicans deserve to be blamed for the government shutdown and see

where they stand on it. >> melissa: may be people in the right side who don't necessarily think the government does is good don't think the idea of a government shutdown is that horrible. democrats criticize the president, a government shutdown sounds good. there are people out there who think less government is better. why are we funneling all of this money to washington when they're not doing their job? >> tomi: less government, limited government is what we stand for, border enforcement above anything else. if the government has a shut down because republicans are getting tough and are not building that wall, then so be it. >> lawrence: if democrats want this immigration reform package that they want so badly, the need to get the border security first because the president is not going to entertain that. >> melissa: real quick, the image of anybody out there building, with that help anybody running on your side? >> adrienne: i guess in theory it would because democrats don't want to border wall. we are fine, we've made it very clear, moderate democrats and particular, we will support more

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>> melissa: lawrence jones, we always love having you on the couch. i understand you're doing something special today after this.

>> lawrence: at 8:00 p.m. tonight. >> melissa: that sounds very fancy. all right, tomi, you are heading back to the west coast. it was a spirited hour. right now, here's harris. >> harris: the sentencing for comedian bill cosby is imminent. a judge has ruled that cosby is a sexually violent predator, facing up to 17 years ten yearn prison. as you know, he's now 81 years old, the former tv star, first celebrity to go to trial in this metoo era. his defense team has asked that he be sentenced to house arrest rather than going to prison. rick leventhal with coverage continuing now. rick? >> harris, the court is on a short brut