that's it for this week's show. thanks to my panelists. thanks to all of you for watching. i'm paul gigot, hope to see you right here next week. three hours from now president trump delivers his first campaign style rally after ordering an fbi investigation of his supreme court nominee amid pressure. the bureau looking into decade's old sexual assault allegations against judge brett kavanaugh. welcome inside a brand new hour of america's news headquarters. i i'm mike emmanuel. >> i'm molly line. hours of riveting testimony this week before the senate judiciary committee, from kavanaugh and his accuser dr. christine blasey ford. arizona senator flake backing kavanaugh's nomination but saying he would only be comfortable moving forward with a full senate vote after the fbi investigation.

meanwhile, fox news confirming that the agency is already reaching out to a second woman who also made accusations against kavanaugh. debra ramirez. the white house continues to stand by its nominee. >> the senate has asked for something. the president has ordered it. we will see what comes back. we believe firmly and confide confidently in judge kavanaugh's denials. their backed up by three other individuals under penalty of felony who were said to be at that event. his contemporaneous calendars don't put him at such an event. and there's really no evidence to back up dr. ford's account. >> we have complete fox team coverage. we will get to ellison barber in wheeling, west virginia, later on, for a preview of the president's rally. but there is leland vittert who will delve more into the specifics of the fbi investigation. but we begin with rich edson who is live on capitol hill. rich? >> good afternoon, molly. there are several senators who are hit holding their

decisions -- withholding their decisions on the kavanaugh nomination pending the fbi investigation. most senators are declared along party lines on this one. it's a handful of senators in the middle who will decide if judge kavanaugh becomes supreme court justice kavanaugh. one of them north dakota democrat heidi heitkamp saying she quote supports senator flake's call for a nonpartisan fbi investigation into the allegations about the judge, quote which i have been pressing for. we need to get politics out of this process and allow an independent law enforcement agency to do its job. also, republican senator lisa murkowski says right now she's undeclared. >> how do you feel about what has been agreed to? >> i think it was a good step today. thank you. >> thank you. >> also undeclared senator susan collins of maine, as is jeff flake of arizona. we ran into him this morning on capitol hill. he says he's feeling good after forcing this issue yesterday, forcing this investigation. he also says he's waiting for

the outcome of this investigation to fully say that he is going to support judge kavanaugh. he said he would only advance kavanaugh's nomination if the fbi conducted what he called a narrow one week investigation, did an interview with the atlantic, he said he decided this after he had a conversation with democratic senator, someone who he says he trusts. flake also called for an investigation after this exchange in a capitol hill elevator. >> look at me when i'm talking to you. you're telling me that my assault doesn't matter. that what happened to me doesn't matter. and that you're going to let people who do these things into power. that's what you're telling me when you vote for him. >> in the atlantic interview, flake called that exchange uncomfortable and poignant. he also says that he's inclined to support judge kavanaugh, but it does depend on this investigation, if it brings up something that gives him reason not to, he won't vote for him. but he says kavanaugh's a conservative. he's a conservative. he's going to wait for the next

week on this as are many other republicans and a few democrats. back to you. >> potentially a very big week ahead. rich, thank you. as we mentioned at the top of the show, as part of its investigation the fbi has reached out to deborah ramirez, the second woman to accuse kavanaugh of sexual misconduct. she was a classmate with kavanaugh at yale university. the fbi appears to be moving quickly in its probe of the allegations against judge kavanaugh after president trump gave the order at the request of several republican senators yesterday. this as south carolina senator lindsey graham says he's convinced of kavanaugh's innocence. >> jeff flake is a wonderful guy. he's trying to be fair. the three senators who have had concerns are being listened to. i doubt if anybody who will ever be nominated to the supreme court has been looked at harder than kavanaugh. >> leland vittert has more from washington. >> well, the fbi's resources and

investigative experience are unmatched and almost unlimited. there are serious questions as to what they can uncover here, beyond anything that is already in the public record. >> there's no physical evidence here. there's no forensic evidence here. there's no electronic evidence here, far too old for that. they are going to be limited to about half a dozen people, largely duplicative of what's already been done by the senate. >> let's review the key players, ford stands by her allegations and her lawyer says a thorough fbi investigation is critical to developing all the relevant facts. judge kavanaugh continues to deny any and all charges against him and says he will speak to the fbi. one of the people likely to be interviewed is ford's friend leland keyser who ford says was at the party where the alleged assault took place. her lawyer too says she will cooperate with the fbi but in a letter says quote my client has already made clear she does not know judge kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was

present with or without dr. ford. notably ms. keyser does not refute dr. ford's account and she has already told the press she believes dr. ford's account. however the unchangeable truth is she is unable to corroborate it because she has no recollection of the incident in question. mark judge, who ford also says was there, said he has no recollection of the events but will also cooperate. same thing for alleged party attendee patrick j. smyth. republicans keep pointing to this sound bite of then judiciary committee member joe biden in the anita hill hearings. >> fbi explicitly does not in this or any other case reach a conclusion, period. >> to that point, some of kavanaugh's supporters are spinning this as a good thing, saying the mere fact of an fbi report will take away key democratic talking point, making the week delay well worth it. mike? >> leland vittert reporting.

leland, thank you. all right. for more on all of this, we go to chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner. susan, thanks for being here. the big question of course what's going on behind the scenes. how will republicans keep this vote on track as their goal might be there are just a handful of swing senators. will they stick together? will they work as a team? >> -- three republicans and one democrat, it's not guaranteed they will, but they're talking and i think their forming of this sort of informal gang is the reason why we're having the extended fbi background check, because even though jeff flake asked for it, republicans could afford to lose a vote, but they can't afford to lose more than one vote. if you have these other republicans willing to call for a postponement and you have joe

manch manchin, the one swing democrat who might vote for the nominee, they really need to listen to this gang and they said hey, let's have an extended fbi investigation. democrats have been calling for it. it's been their big talking point. then when we spoke with these four -- three democrats -- three republicans and one democrat, the night of the conclusion of the hearing, they said they had additional questions. they said there were things we need to hear about, close a few loopholes before we make a decision. so i think that the tactic here will be they've begun debate. we know that started on friday. they've brought the nomination to the floor, even though it is quiet on the senate floor right now. so they started the clock ticking. their next move will be to hold a procedural vote called cloture. what they are waiting for before they take the role call vote where senators go on the record is this fbi report, which they tell me, they anticipate these republicans and democrats who asked for it feel it can be done within a few days.

>> you know, the fbi probe all eyes on the fbi probe waiting for what sort of information it might uncover. there seems to be a hope at least for those that are backing kavanaugh that it won't uncover much, there won't be any new big details revealed, and things will go forward, a vote and perhaps that will provide political cover for those who were standing out as the holdout. at the same time, we know now not unsuspectingly that the fbi is being pretty aggressive, talking to lot of people, reached out to ramirez, another woman who has accused kavanaugh of she says exposing himself. what does that mean if the fbi says, you know, hey, we're still working on this. we're not done. it's been a week. we're still digging. does the vote go forward or do republicans who want to see this move wait? >> that's a great question. and they tell us that we're going to give them a week, and if they are not done, we're going to move forward. that might be difficult, though, if the fbi is still working. it might be harder for them to do. that's a great question. they anticipate the fbi will be able to move quickly enough. they have field offices all over the country. they can find these witnesses

and interview them fairly quickly. i was told the fbi has been instructed to make this a top priority, given all those resources and given the fact that it is a priority, the anticipation is that they will be done and they will be finished within that week time. >> wow, you know, that was the thought that, you know, that could blow that idea of political cover, if they are waiting for an fbi investigation that still hasn't ended. it is interesting to hear that it may get done in the time frame, would be really fascinating. how much does politics play here? there are republicans that say the democrats orchestrated this, kind of made sure these allegations were released at the end. that's really what republicans seem to believe. but as we move closer to election day, just a little bit beyond when this confirmation process could potentially end, what do the voters think? does that matter? >> it can matter a lot, depending on who we're talking about. claire mccaskill, came out as a no vote, embattled seat in missouri, a democrat, she tells me that people back home aren't talking about this at all. now, that was right before this

nomination hearing on thursday, which of course gripped the nation. i have a feeling that more people are talking about it today than they were a few days ago. so, you know, overall, is supreme court nomination the top of the list? people are talking about the economy. people are talking about immigration reform. people are talking about foreign policy issues. this has not been high on the list of things voters worry about during a midterm election cycle. so it depends on who you ask. look at joe manchin, the democrat i just talked to, trump won his state by 42 points. it is a big deal in his state. i think that's one of the reasons he may end up voting for kavanaugh if this fbi investigation does not turn up any new surprises because of that. it depends on the candidate, the state, and now of course depends on timing. this thing has gripped the nation in the past few days. it will probably matter more, if it doesn't fade away with a no surprise fbi background check and confirmation, still many

weeks away from the election, just getting into october now. we've got enough time for it to fade -- move down the list for important things for voters by november 6th. >> it is funny you say that because this election cycle has been wild. you know, the news cycle has been wild. >> it's 24 hours long. >> something so big that like as you mentioned, everyone was watching, gripped the nation that it could fade by election day and something else that could happen. such a great point. you know, but here we are a few more seconds. do you have any prediction as we look ahead to this week? will we see the vote happen? will it happen this week? >> i predict if the fbi investigation goes through all of the witnesses and doesn't come up with anything new that we haven't heard already, he'll be confirmed. perhaps by the end of the week. it may take a few extra days given procedural hurdles. >> susan, thank you very much for joining us and weighing in today. we appreciate it. >> thanks a lot. in the wake of this week's testimony from judge kavanaugh and professor christine blasey ford, there's been an increase

in the number of calls to national sexual assault hot lines. officials report the number of people looking for assistance on thursday alone, the day of testimony was more than 200% above average. we are live from our new york newsroom with more. >> they are calling this increa increase unprecedented despite the fact there is often up tick in those number of calls when sex assault is in the news. it was tweeted friday the number of people helped by the hot line was 201% above average yesterday. the increase came as dr. christine blasey ford described in vivid detail what she claims to remember about the alleged attack. dr. ford's testimony was followed by an emotional rebuttal from judge kavanaugh, furious and in tears over what he's called false accusations. in a surprise decision by the committee, the postponement of the vote to allow limited fbi investigation, and that choice came as a relief to crisis centers, which said we are grateful for the decision to postpone the vote until the fbi

can conduct a background check to investigate the allegations of sexual assault. the risks of a brief delay in confirmation vote are far less than the risks of a lifetime appointment made in haste. the kavanaugh hearings were not the only time calls to the centers have spiked. last weekend when second accuser deborah ramirez announced more allegations against kavanaugh, calls went up 57% compared to an average weekend. rape crisis centers say it is normal to get an increased in calls with topics in the headlines it is also not unusual for victims to wait years to come forward. >> it is very common for people to come forward many decades after the assault happened and to maybe just even come to consciousness that what happened to them was indeed an assault. >> the national sexual assault hot line offers confidential support and free services from trained staff. they are encouraging anyone who needs their help to call 800- 800-656-hope.

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mike: facebook's privacy problems escalating after it announces a massive security breach affecting 50 million users. the full scope of the impact from this hacking is still unknown. jeff paul joins us live from los angeles with more. hi, jeff. >> hey, mike. facebook once again finds itself in familiar territory with yet another data breach. the latest attack potentially exposing the personal information of 50 million users and the impact could go well beyond just facebook. the company says during this latest breach, hackers exploited facebook's view as feature to gain access and possibly take over accounts. facebook is working with law enforcement. it is also making many users log

back into their accounts if and when they access facebook to make sure the hack doesn't get any worse. but some tech experts say the sites you use facebook's log-in to gain access to could also be at risk >> there are a number of things that also could have been impacted by this, not just facebook, could have been your spotify account, maybe if a financial institution leverages facebook as authentication. it is not just facebook. attackers could have access to other services. >> mark zuckerberg spoke about the hack yesterday. saying in part we're continuing to improve our defenses and i think this also underscores that there are constant attacks for people who are trying to take over accounts or steal information from people in our community. this breach comes at a time when facebook has been criticized for how it handles users' personal information. a scandal also forced zucker berg to appear before congress where he apologized to users. in addition to this 50 million impacted users, facebook is

resetting access codes for an additional 40 million users, meaning 90 million people will have to log back on if they want to access their accounts. mike? mike: my guess is mr. zuckerberg will be getting called back to cam toll hill -- capitol hill soon. jeff paul, thank you very much. molly: a firmer u.s. military commitment in syria could be in the works. president trump is backing military plans to keep a military presence there until iran leaves the war-torn country. earlier this month, the president describing our mission in syria. >> eradicating isis which is why we're there. and we're very close to being finished with that job and then we're going to make a determination as to what we're going to do. >> let's bring in retired u.s. army lieutenant colonel daniel davis, a defense priority senior fellow and military expert. thank you for joining us today, lieutenant colonel. >> my pleasure. molly: let's start with this, according to the president's special envoy to syria, the president believes that a continued u.s. presence there in

the country is necessary, but not necessarily boots on the ground. what do you think should happen with the u.s. military presence there? >> well, i will tell you, i'm in a big supporter of what the president was saying earlier this year, when he said that we need to bring those troops back out of syria. if he's being advised to the contrary of that, i hope he will go back to his original instinct. we sent the troops there to help the syrian democratic forces the kurd organization there in syria to defeat isis in the city of raqqa. that was accomplished about a year ago. all rights those troops should have been withdrawn then because the objective that had anything to do with american security was accomplished. the only thing we accomplish with them there right now is we put them at greater risk and we have the risk that possibly we could even be accidentally attacked, whether by russian, by irani iranian, by the syrian regime itself which could potentially result in a military clash with another country and that does not help america at all.

i think we take great risk and we have no benefit potential for the country and he should bring them home. molly: you knocked off a couple of key points. you talked about the possibility of creating a confrontation with another country. we saw several kind of close calls in recent years with countries even russia, all sorts of potential as you mentioned. and you also brought up another thing about the back and forth on this point. this wasn't the original task, that the united states went there for, that we specifically were there to push isis out, to work on defeating isis, and now this may take things out of that framework. defense secretary mattis had to push back on that idea this week. he denied that the u.s. goal had shifted in this way. what do you think about the back and forth on this? is this a diplomatic measure to let iran know there's still pressure in the world on them? >> well, there are certainly a lot of people that are making exactly that case there. they are saying okay we got those troops there. they finished the job we sent them to do. now let's look to see if there's

something else they can do. they're fishing for missions. those few troops, they can't do anything other than basically protect themselves. they are such a small force that they can't provide any kind of strategic use at all. if they are going to stay there, if somebody decides that that's in american interests, that has to go to congress. congress has to weigh in on the matter and debate the subject and see if they think that's a good idea because that's what the constitution requires. before anybody shifts another mission, i think it has to go to the congress. >> very busy week in washington, but it was also a busy work here in new york. the united nations general assembly. the president spoke there many times. but here's something he had to say regarding iran specifically. >> iran's leaders sew chaos, death and destruction. they do not respect their neighbors or borders or the sovereign rights of nations. molly: the president not shy at

all on pushing back about what he feels who iran is as a country in the world, the impact they are having, and with the presence there on the ground, that's kind of what i'm talking about as far as diplomacy is concerned, saying this wasn't why we were there but we are there. are they trying to communicate essentially that they are on watch and iran is among the countries we are watching? >> they are trying to communicate that. i can't strongly say this enough that american men and women on the ground in syria in a hostile country is not the way to communicate that. i assure you, that our ability to bring power from all over the globe certainly without the region is not -- throughout the region is not predicated on having the troops there. and the rulers in iran know that and they know they could be at risk in many places. i don't think it's a good idea to risk american lives and put our men and women on the ground there where they could potentially lose their lives for something that doesn't have any impact on american security.

i think we should treasure our lives and not put them at risk unnecessarily which i think is the case right now. molly: i'm sure there are a lot of folks that would like to see their family members come home as well. lieutenant colonel, thank you very much for your insights today. >> always my pleasure, thank you. mike: president trump gearing up for a campaign style rally in the great state of west virginia later tonight. you are looking live at the scene there in wheeling, where the president will speak 2 1/2 hours from now. and of course you can catch those remarks right here on the fox news channel. but next up, how will all the drama surrounding the delay in the kavanaugh vote affect the midterms? we debate that straight ahead. the public display that the democrats showed yesterday was the fact that we knew that this was a political witch hunt against judge kavanaugh. they want to buy time. they want to buy two more months, get through this election.

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mike: fox news alert, awaiting president trump's departure from the white house for a rally in west virginia this evening. kicking off a five state campaign tour as we get closer to those midterm elections. this coming amid the drama surrounding supreme court nominee judge brett kavanaugh. for more on the confirmation drama and how effective it will be as an issue to turn out voters from both parties in november, let's go to our panel. rnc spokeswoman and democratic strategist and former senior advisor to washington state senator patty murray. great to have you both >> thanks, mike. >> hey. mike: does a prolonged supreme court fight energize a lot of your voters who may not be as fired up about a typical midterm election year? >> there is simply no doubt about it. you know, a lot of voters in 2016 voted on the supreme court. in fact, according to exit polls, 1 in 5 voters voted because of the supreme court, and of those supreme court voters, 56% vote -- vote for president trump. there's no denying this

motivates our voters. this is particularly key in an election year, where democrats do have an enthusiasm advantage by about 5 to 8 points. so the fact that this is going on, i can tell you this, we are fired up in the republican party, and we are going to the polls because of what we see democrats doing. mike: dave, what's the impact on democrats if kavanaugh is confirmed, defeated or for reason this drags on longer? >> yeah, mike, i think under any scenario, democrats are energized. and you see that both in how to date we have overperformed in turnouts and special elections across the country. you have seen that in the generic ballot that has democrats ahead of republicans on average around 9 to 10 points, perhaps even higher. you also see that in the fact that 81% of democrats in the latest pew poll when polled said that the supreme court now tops their list of priorities that they care about. you know, under any scenario, whether judge kavanaugh is confirmed or whether or not he's confirmed, this is going to be a

rallying point for democrats and will motivate folks to the polls. mike: there's been some reporting that the kavanaugh battle could help the republicans with the senate but perhaps hurt with keeping the house. your thoughts? >> i don't think that's the case because, you know, as dave just noted, supreme court is topping the list in some of these polls, and when the supreme court tops the list, that mobilizes republican turnout. in this election, in particular, our internal numbers show that the higher the turnouts, the better it is for republicans. it kind of flips conventional wisdom on its head this time. in the house, i think this motivates turnout and in the senate in particular this is a very big deal make because you don't have a lot of polling as to how kavanaugh perceived post, there is one poll, one in west virginia, one in arizona. the one in west virginia shows by a 30 point margin west virginia voters want kavanaugh on the bench. bad news for joe manchin if he votes against kavanaugh. and in arizona, a majority want him on the bench.

on the senate it is a big deal for republicans. mike: what's your analysis on that. supreme court definitely fires up republican voters. what about senate versus house? >> let me get to that. i will say it will be interesting to see whether kaylee's hypothesis rings true come november. wisdom has it that supreme court is a rallying cry for republican elites. i'm skeptical this is going to be the kind of issue that really animates a conservative base especially if conservatives perceive the white house as caving to democrats. if anything, i imagine that there are a number of republicans who are enraged at the fact that the white house has agreed to an fbi investigation. to your broader question, mike, look, both in the house and the senate, democrats are focused on kitchen table issues. they are motivated to vote because they are opposed to this president and to his agenda, but they are also focused on healthcare. they know that if republicans are re-elected and maintain majorities both in the house and senate, the aca is at risk. preexisting conditions are on the table. and a whole host of kitchen

table issues, tax relief included, are really up for grabs in a way that will hurt working middle class families. mike: we have a little of time left. i want both of you to weigh in. does judge kavanaugh get through? if so what's the energizing effect? >> no doubt the judge gets through. he's undergone six now seven fbi background checks. he will get through. he deserves to get through. due process will have its day. judge kavanaugh will become justice kavanaugh. mike: dave? >> i'm not going to predict other than to say i'm very pleased that we finally have an fbi investigation that will allow for a thorough and fair process in a way to really fact find the very serious claims that have been brought forward against him. mike: if the fbi probe doesn't uncover anything shocking, is there a next play for senate democrats? >> look, i think the record speaks for itself. we've laid out our concerns in terms of our substantive concerns about his judicial philosophy and his rulings and why we think he's ill suited to sit on the supreme court on the

merits but ultimately that will then become a political question for members of the senate. is he fit to serve? are the allegations against him such that they disqualify him? members have to take this vote. it is a tough vote. or in fact is he qualified to serve for the highest court in the land? mike: kaylee, do you worry about this process scaring away qualified people in the future? i mean do you really want to put your family through this if this is what it will be like? >> certainly, i have a deep fear of that. president trump says i'm worried if i go back to some of the others i was considering, they would say no. no one wants their family dragged through the mud. you saw the pain on judge kavanaugh's face, the tears he poured out, the conversations he's had to have with his daughters. this is heart breaking what this man has been through, as he said, a whole lot in a week's time. i do worry about that very deeply. mike: kaylee, dave, thank you very much. >> thank you, mike. molly: the republican strategy in the midterms will be a very big topic tomorrow when house

majority leader mccarthy appears live on sunday morning futures with maria bartiromo. that's tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. no doubt that everything in washington this week has been absolutely riveting, the hearings on the potential kavanaugh being confirmed to the supreme court, but you had a behind the scenes view. mike: it was intensity like i have never seen on capitol hill. i have been up there seven years. it was second to none. you had people who were really passionate about the me too movement, were worried about professor ford being treated fairly. also had people come forward and say i believe judge kavanaugh is an honorable man, i don't know what happened to professor ford, i don't believe he's being treated fairly, concerns about his wife and kids. energy running high on both sides of the issue. i have to give a shoutout to the capitol hill police. they did a phenomenal job. let people exercise their 1st amendment right, but the floor where the hearing was held was all business. you didn't have the constant

interruptions that we had in the previous hearings. molly: we as a nation could see what was happening in the hearing room. beyond in the hallways, tell me about the view in the hallways. >> you know, i think after professor ford was done, a lot of republican members and staffers were very anxious, like can judge kavanaugh dig out of this? and then when he came out swinging, i think a lot of republicans were relieved that okay, this guy's fighting for his name, for his integrity. and then, you know, we wait to see how the votes shake out. i think there are a lot of folks who think the idea of giving it one more week for the fbi to look into this is not the end of the world, if it gets some people to a confident yes or no. molly: you talked about just kind of what a wild scene it was. do you anticipate that later on this week? mike: i have a feeling we'll see a lot of the protesters over the course of this week to make their voices heard loud and clear as we're allowed to do here in america. molly: not over. thank you. i'm glad we got a behind the scenes look. i really appreciate it. mike: thanks. molly: fox news alert, desperate

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molly: fox news alert on a deadly tragedy unfolding in indonesia. hundreds of people killed after a powerful magnitude 7.5 earthquake rocks an island which triggered a tsunami which swept away homes. kitty logan from our london bureau with the latest. >> the death toll isn't yet known and that's because rescue workers haven't able to get to all the areas affected by this tsunami. many more are still missing and the indonesian vice president says the death toll could rise to thousands. now, most of those known to have died so far live in the city, on an island, an 18 foot high tsunami swept through there later on friday. water smashed into buildings. it dragged debris along with it.

leaving absolute devastation in its wake. speeds for up to 500 miles-an-hour before it hit that shoreline and hundreds of people were at a beach festival at the time are thought to have died. the original earthquake itself also killed and injured many people. questions are being asked whether an official warning should have been lifted so quickly. it was lifted just after 30 minutes. and many say that that could have perhaps cost lives. apparently there was no warning sensor near the city so the tidal surge there was completely missed. now two after shocks are continuing. indonesia sits on the pacific ring of fire. it has a long history of earthquakes. back in 2004, you will remember that 200,000 people were killed in a tsunami, which hit there. in august this year, 500 people died on an island following an earthquake. that island, that city i should say has also been hit by a tsunami in the past as well.

now, amidst all this devastation, the race is now on to get aid into the area. several countries offering to help. but for now the search for survivors goes on and according to the red cross, there are still entire areas cut off from communication. there's been no word from anyone there. of course grave concerns for the fate of people in some of those areas. molly? molly: kitty logan, thank you. mike: we are awaiting president trump's departure for a make america great again rally in wheeling, west virginia. the event kicks off a week of rallies for the president amid chaos over the fate of his supreme court nominee. we have a preview of the president's visit coming up at the top of the hour. as we get closer to election day, there are new concerns over election hacking and protecting your vote. this is stonington, maine, a town where almost half the population is self-employed. lobster fisherman is the lifeblood of this town. by 2030, half of america may take after stonington, self-employed and without employer benefits.

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molly: investigation is now underway in mississippi after two police officers are killed on the job. it happened early this morning in the city of brook haven. investigators say the officers were killed while responding to a call of shots fired. the officers engaging gunfire with a suspect who was wounded. the suspect the 25-year-old man was taken to the hospital in jackson. no word yet on his condition. mike: as the midterm elections near, concerns rising over

potential election hacking, and those fears now compounded after a report claiming the widely used model 650 high speedball lot counting machine -- high speed ballot counting machine is vulnerable to a cyberattack because of a flaw disclose ds more than a decade ago. but the company behind those machines is defending their product saying quote the security protections on the m 650 are strong enough to make it extraordinarily difficult to hack in a real world environment. let's bring in vice president of clarity, a cybersecurity firm. great to have you. >> thanks for having me. mike: 38 days out from the midterms, are we ready? >> it is coming up fast. we're in a better place than we were in 2016 because it's been such a hot topic issue and been a lot of work done at the state and local level. we are not nearly as ready as we need to be. when it comes to election, cybersecurity, this isn't about databases or one particular voting machine, this is about

protecting our democracy. mike: sure. >> what we have learned in this report that was released this week is what we've known for a while, which is these systems are old. they are aging. and they're vulnerable to remote and physical hacking. mike: ess, the company involved says, quote, at its core, a voting machine is a computer which can be compromised by skilled hackers, who have full access and unlimited time. while there's no evidence that any vote in a u.s. election has ever been compromised by a cybersecurity breach, ess agrees the cybersecurity of the nation's voting system can and should be improved. >> there are three things that are of concern. first the confidentiality of the data, primarily concerns voter registration databases. that's what we saw in 2016, influence operations. the other factor is the integrity of the voting systems themselves. the idea that attackers can manipulate vote counts, either

on the machine itself or during the transmission of the results, tabulation and the transmission of the results. and finally, the availability of the election infrastructure and services itself. you mentioned this is a very widely distributed infrastructure. it's all administered at the state and local level, but if you could eliminate citizens' access to services even for a short time, you could achieve a lot of the hackers' objectives which ultimately is to sow discord and decrease confidence in the election system itself. mike: i remember covering the 2000 presidential election and i remember people looking up at pieces of paper to see whether it was dimpled or fully executed vote. technology is great obviously, but is there merit to having hard copy paper ballots as a back up? >> there is. there is a lot of merit to it. listen, it is not necessarily the most efficient system, but with what matters with elections is getting it right at the end. what's of concern here is this

so called direct recording electronic voting machine. these are machines that transmit via touch-screen the vote, directly into the memory of the system, without any paper trail, no ability to audit that vote. this is a major process flaw in our election systems across the count -- country, there are five states that use these systems primarily. a big take away from this report let's have at the very least an audit trail so we can verify the integrity of every vote. mike: prior to your time in the private sector, you were a senior official in new jersey government. what are you hearing from your former colleagues in the garden state about looking ahead to the midterms? >>i'm hearing that things are getting better, right, with each successful cycle, we're doing more particularly at the polling places themselves. there's a cybersecurity element to this. there is also a physical security element. one of the major findings in the

report is that you need direct access to this equipment, physical access in order to achieve -- in order to exploit many of these vulnerabilities. so polling stations and local election officials need to take note of the physical controls that are in place in some of these local polling sites. mike: how difficult is it for professionals to stay ahead of the hackers. >> it is hard. so, you know, election cybersecurity is a blessing and a curse because of the wait's set up. so it's a very distributed, local and state level issue, which makes it hard to affect widespread chaos from an attacker's perspective. at the same time, it is very hard defend particularly in a uniform standardized manner. i think we have taken some measurable steps in that direction. but it's not easy. i think we should think about not only 2018, obviously, the midterms which are 38 days away. but certainly 2020. now is the time to start putting into effect some of these

recommendations from this report. mike: what's your message to the voters, 38 days out? >> my message is have confidence in the system. there's a lot of good work that's happening at the state and local level. and get out there and vote. mike: and the technology is ever changing, right? and so you guys are trying to stay a step ahead of these hackers and trying to make sure that 2018 is secure and 2020 is secure. >> the attackers will always have one step ahead, which is cyberspace, there are things we can put physical controls in place and an audit trail. those are also important. a lot of good work is happening. i was down in d.c. this week. this conversation is taking place on the hill, which is a great thing. law makers are starting to get it. i'm optimistic about the future. mike: thanks for your time. >> appreciate it. molly: president trump departing for west virginia minutes from now. he looks to drum up voter

support ahead of the midterm elections as the fate of his supreme court nominee hangs in the balance. we will go live to wheeling to get a preview of the president's remarks. and tomorrow, on fox news sunday, chris wallace has an exclusive interview with white house press secretary sarah sanders. do not miss it. we'll be right back.

molly: new developments in the push to confirm supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. fox news has learned the fbi has begun contacting those connected to incidents involving kavanaugh including accuser deborah ramirez. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's news headquarters, i'm molly line in for arthel neville. mike: and i'm miami emanuel. the -- and i'm mike emanuel. protesters confronting jeff flake in an elevator after he announced he would support kavanaugh's nomination. after the committee voted in favor of moving the nomination to ful