anyway. we also heard from him this hour. a lot more that to come as they individually get a look at that report. >> bill: we think based on the schedule come around this time tomorrow we should give the next procedural vote. we think. >> sandra: we will see you tomorrow. that's it for us. "outnumbered" starts now. spew when we start with the fox news alert, senate lawmakers are getting a glimpse of that highly-anticipated fbi report on sexual assault allegations against judge brett kavanaugh. returning you to mitch mcconnell, he wasted no time for it already setting in the motion to process an advance the supreme court nomination. you're watching "outnumbered," and harris faulkner. here today, melissa francis. lisa boothe, an executive in residence and former ohio state senator capri capri cafaro. lucas and the seat! tucker carlson, host of "tucker carlson tonight" and author of the brand-new book "ship of fools," how a selvage

ruling class is bringing america to the brink of revolution. >> is a big enough? and >> tucker: very good question. i have addicts edit to that extent, but it would need to be noah's ark. >> harris: i don't know if anybody remembers, but the first day of "outnumbered," you were in that seat. >> tucker: is on this resume to this day. >> harris: you took us to every blog on the surface of the planet. >> tucker: that was to show that you cannot repeat today. that's how much america has changed in five years. >> harris: probably true. i'm glad you're here. >> tucker: and glad to be here, thank you. >> harris: let's rock 'n' roll. a lot of activity on capital today. lawmakers are viewing the fbi investigation into judge kavanaugh. they have to decide whether to confirm him to the supreme court. by saturday. senate judiciary committee ranking member dianne feinstein slammed to the findings after viewing the report this morning. watch it.

>> it looks to be a product of an incomplete investigation that was limited. perhaps by the white house, i don't know. democrats agreed that the investigation scope should be limited. we did not agree that the white house should tie the fbi's hands. >> harris: earlier, white house press e sarah sanders said the ascendant needs to vote now. >> they did what they do best, and that's that they conducted a background investigation. they provide the information for the senate, and it's time for them to take that and make a decision. the democrats of made this entire process a total decrease. it's time for him to quit playing politics and start doing their jobs. let's put this to a vote, and let's do it quickly. >> harris: mike emanuel lever on capitol hill. wow, a lot of drama today. >> no question about it, harris. good afternoon to you. senders are getting a look at that fbi report, and they will need to draw their own conclusions about judge brett

kavanaugh. ultimately, the vote. chairman chuck grassley of iowa who has been in the middle of this process told reporters this morning "after viewing the affair report, there is absolutely no corroboration about the allegations against judge kavanaugh." a short time ago, he said "the way many democrats have treated kavanaugh is totally unfair." >> forgiveness for goodness' ss the united states of america. nobody's supposed to be guilty until proven innocent in this country. nobody is supposed to be guilty until proven innocent in the united states of america. >> democrats chuck schumer and dianne feinstein spoke to reporters late this morning after viewing the fbi's work. the top democrat on judiciary, feinstein, says what's notable is what isn't in it, suggesting is not detailed enough. then schumer offered this conclusion.

>> i disagree. having received a briefing on all of the documents, i disagree with senator grassley's statement that there was no hint of. >> now eyes on susan because of maine, jeff flake of arizona, and lisa murkowski of alaska. they told us a time ago that appears to be a very thorough investigation. flick says he saw no additional corroborating evidence. they make it this morning. >> this will be a very close vote. it pains by a few undecided democrats and publicans. i haven't read the report it. if i were to just guest today, he will be narrowly confirmed. >> they will be no voting today. time for senators to review the fbi's products. we expect a critical preliminary vote sometime tomorrow with the possibility of final confirmation on saturday. harris? >> harris: mike emanuel, think

you're watching it all for us. we will bring you back. thank you very much. tucker carlson, we are not on the verge of what, do you think? a >> tucker: i think we are on the verge of a vote. i hope we are. this process has been so cynical and dispiriting and ugly and bad for the country, it is revealed almost no new facts. we are where we began, one side takes on claims because they are political helpful. one side is taking the process literally in an ingenuous and sad, naive way. again, we haven't learned anything other than the extent to which one party will go to retain power. it is so ugly and destructive that i don't know why we would delay the vote. would you be expect to learn? i would add one thing -- we should see the 302s. there are privacy issues involved, but what is the cost of not seeing them? moore line? like we need more of that. more paranoia on the part of the rest of us? what do they know that we don't? it's destructive.

we should see them. >> harris: it further allows one side or the other -- because we don't know how it turns out. but it allows one side to posterior without the facts. >> lisa: this is what we've seen consistently with so many issues that have come out of the news, that the court of public opinion has weighed in on it. but we don't know all of the details and all the facts because the biggest confidential. i agree with you, tucker. the 302s should be out there in one one way, shape, or form for public consumption. i don't think it will happen, but i think it will approach any concerns they have. he would stop speculation. the institutions have been, i think, irreparably damaged in some ways. we will never know what the truth is. because we have -- there are sworn things under oath on both sides. we are now at a point where -- >> harris: let me ask you follow up question, capri. our democrats in a position if the vote goes for cavanaugh on saturday to continue their investigation, which they said they want to help doctor for a customer other going to do that?

of the going to talk with these other women and have their own hearings on their own? or do you think that they will get ready for next time? there could be next time. if they get nasty now, you just wait. >> capri: i think they would be in big trouble if they continue to be the string. there are a lot of people that, yes, i think people feel that dr. ford was -- something happened to her, we need to have credible conversations about victims of sexual assault. this be whatever but he said that on both sides of the aisle. >> capri: we have the facts, but the left has chosen to weaponize baseless allegations because it serves their political purpose. the media has been complicit in it because they don't like judge kavanaugh and don't want to see him on the bench. we have the facts. there's nothing to cooperate anything these three women said. if anything, the facts and the evidence way against them. yet, we are here. chuck schumer said from the beginning that he would do anything in his power to oppose judge kavanaugh. we have seen just how low and to the bottom that they are willing to go.

he's been through six checks. the fact that they are seeing the seventh what isn't good enough and is in complete shows that there is nothing there. it's time to move on. republicans have not -- >> capri: i agree. they need to move on. >> lisa: for the chapter behind us. >> harris: nearly 30 years ago, you go through exercises like that and you think "what did it give birth to?" a year later we saw that we yef the women. this process doesn't seem to have the same feeling for politics at least. you hear women coming out with their stories, bolstered by dr. ford, they say. politically, it doesn't seem like we have moved forward. >> melissa: politically it seems like we have moved backwards. everyone looks worse for having gone through this. i think the democrats are realizing that. if you watch the press conference earlier today with dianne feinstein and with chuck schumer, dianne feinstein said "why didn't they

re-interview her? "and why did the fbi talked her? she said that for hours and answered every question anybody could think of. if the fbi brought her in again, it would only be to trap her in a lie. to say "you said this to congress under oath, but you're telling us this now? "that's not very nice. is that what dianne feinstein wanted? but then he saw something very interesting that my coanchor david pointed out to me. those two scuffled away from the camera without taking questions. what does that tell you? they know this issue is not going well for them. we are going to talk about later in the show, but it's killing democrats. >> harris: tucker, as we will tour later this week, i think we saw a much more impassioned senator mcconnell today as well. he is not -- he is very kind of stoic and plays by the book. today it felt like those emotions were on the outside. this is personal for him, you think? >> tucker: yes. of course. he's in charge of managing this process for the senate. it's very personal for him.

i wish we saw much more from republicans, not simply defense of brett kavanaugh the man but a defense of the system that has made this a country worth living in. the united states senator stands up and says "you've been accuses that they come it's your job to prove yourself innocent." a number of them said that. where is there beside? not to defend brett kavanaugh, although that's fine, too -- to defend the rest of us, that presumption of innocence is the whole reason we are pleased to be americans. where are you, defending her principles? if they weren't there. i don't know why. >> i'm sick of democrats think "it's just a job interview." no, this is a man's life. it has hung in the balance's entire time. he has two little girls at home but he has somehow had to find a way takes blame this too, and a wife. this isn't just a job interview. he is already lost his job. i'm not done. senators have been doxxed. that there let's put on the line, over a year, an attempted assassination of steve schooley's and other republicans lives. we have seen mobs approach the

centers. this is not just a job interview, this is about so much more. republicans need to confirm him not because he deserves it, but because need to stand up to the bullies on the left and the composite media. >> harris: do democrats need to stand up and hold accountable some among them that lisa is talking about? the doxxing? taking people's personal information and just showing without any permission online customer care is that. there is the maxine waters -- which was more than potentially violent. when he said had been in your own party to shore that up? >> capri: we need to grow. i prescient her forever in this, but i'm disciplined in my own party. we got away from issues, we have since sensationalized every thing. we have crated this -- we have gone further into a toxic environment. we forgot what michelle obama has said, "when we go low, we go hide." not that she was an elected official, but we forgotten about that. people put that and say "we

don't like donald trump because he is flamboyant and he says things that are disagreeable." guess what customer gets also disagreeable and absolute and professional showing up and stocking ted cruz at a restaurant. come on, people. >> harris: it gets dangerous in a heartbeat. >> melissa: one of the bad outcomes of this is that no decent person is ever going to want to stand up and try to be a supreme court justice again. if there is one place we really need decent people, it's on the supreme court. what he knew a limited people who love their families, care about their families, don't want to put their families through this who don't want to stand up and go for it, and you're like "i can't do it." those are people we need on the supreme court more than anywhere else. >> harris: hold on one second print i want to ask you, tucker, about temperament. because that is where democrats have been with brett kavanaugh. just the temperament question from the testimony before the judiciary committee. would you say about that?

>> tucker: [laughs] if i punch you in the face, you fight back, you're out of control. [laughs] put yourself in the position of the person who believes himself to be falsely accused. there is really no worse place to be. they are attacking you not simply for what you believe, but for who you are? in front of the world? and you know your life is kind of over, and you think you didn't do it? i just -- i've been there, i deeply sympathize with him. but i also -- how totally unreasonable to attack a man for trying to defend himself? it's ridiculous. people were doing this in the first place brewed literally do anything to maintain political power? he was a fair criticism. what is that customer care accusing you something if you say you didn't do, and you're

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>> harris: we knew this was coming. celebrity strand by protesters outside of district court. this is outside d.c., and renew some of the people on the list are calling it the "bravery is contagious." they are anti-kavanaugh being nominated. they have a hashtag that is trending, #cancelkavanaugh. we believe anita hill, we believe christine ford. these protesters led by alicia keys and a few other celebrities

to have their voices heard come if you will. we just wanted to show you what's going on. u.s. district court, outside d.c. there you have it. melissa? >> melissa: all right. >> 36 years ago, this happen. i had one beer. right? "i had one beer." well, do you think it was -- nope, it was one beer. how did you get home? i don't member. how did you get there? i don't member. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was that? i don't know. >> melissa: president trump facing pushback over those comments at a campaign rally earlier this week, casting doubt on the testimony of brett kavanaugh's accuser, christine blasey ford. some of the media portrayed it as the president attacking for. but the white house is defending their marks, saying that ford's estimate should be scrutinized. watch. >> once again, every single word that judge kavanaugh has said has been looked at, examine,

picked apart by most of you in this room. but no one is looking at whether or not the accusations made are corroborated paired whether or not there is evidence to support them. every person that she named has come out and said either they didn't recall it or it didn't happen or they weren't there. every single bit of evidence and facts that we see in this moment have supported judge kavanaugh's case. the president simply pointed out the facts of the matter. >> melissa: several republican senators including jeff flake and susan collins ripping the president's comments, ben sasse also slumming the president from the senate floor yesterday. nicholas. >> in of the president cannot lead us through this time. we know that he is dispositional he unable to restrain his impulse to divide us. his mockery of dr. ford last night in mississippi was wrong. but it doesn't really surprise anyone. it's who he is. >> don't ask me to it's interesting to me, there's so

much focus on the democrat side onwards. i wonder if the average american has that much time to focus and evan bayh's words, outcome, when you're trying to feed her family and get to work and pay her mortgage, do you have time to de whether the words are appropriate? or are you like "you have enough money to pay my bills?" >> tucker: it's hard to for meo answer with a clear head. listening to ben sasse, i see that more in sorrow than anger. i mocking that. it [laughter] i feel things much more deeply than you, you shall a person. >> melissa: yeah, because i'm busy! >> tucker: we don't have the emotional nerve endings then bands a ben sasse does. probably not helpful to say that, but whacked the rest of us saying it? where republicans in the new u.s. senate asking that? if you think christine ford is

sincere, which i do, doesn't mean she's not an adult, which he clearly is. she's making an allegation of felony, so it's a base question. why did you member this customer and nobody asked that question pray she didn't tell a single person by her own account for 30 years about an event she says to find her entire life. she said she realized the significance during a psychotherapy session. ask any shrink. the question is, is a recovered memory or not customer gets been said at great length. it's about as reliable as a dream. that's the question everybody has asked her day one, nobody did. we need to know more from her, and that point is right. >> harris: from what we heard in the hearing from dr. ford, she said -- he talked a lot about technical and scientific jargon that i might not be able to retrieve, although she would say it's in my hippocampus. that's where she said some of these memories lay. that they never went away from the moment of. what it actually be a recovery

of memory? i'm just wondering. >> tucker: is a fair question, and that's the kind of question we should have seen flesh out a little bit in the hearing. memory is a very tricky thing. a number of people, quite a few, went to prison in the 1980s on the basis of memories that turned out to be unreliable. not insincere memories, since her memories. the people recounting the believe them. that doesn't mean they were factually accurate. the rest of us deserve to hear more about this. ben sasse might have been upset about it, but we would have been served by it. >> harris: that's addressing. i want to go back to what's happening on the left side of the screen. this is u.s. district court, and in washington, d.c., we knew there would be a celebrity-driven protest. "bravery is contagious" is what they are calling this. alicia keys, norman lear, and many others they are leading people who are against the confirmation of the supreme court nominee judge brett kavanaugh being confirmed to the court, if that should happen, it looks like we might see a vote on saturday in the senate. the full senate. they are out there, and the

hashtag is #cancelkavanaugh. they are changing back and forth, they have given some short speeches of women in the audience. celebrities, i mention. i would say -- and we do have a side-by-side picture, of course -- one of the three senators we have been talking about, tucker, as we covered this story, is lisa murkowski. she is reportedly in a skiff right now reviewing the fbi kavanaugh report. this is an interesting juxtaposition. you have some of these very protesters, no doubt, who were hinging any sort of sanity, if you will, around the conversation and dr. ford and judge kavanaugh. on what would come out of an fbi report. would that be the fair and just thing to do? now you've got one of those other hinge points, though senators inside of a skiff, actually looking at that fbi -- >> melissa: any bring up her name, especially, it's interesting because she has been

silent so far. she is so smart, because she has kept result out of this, lisa. she's been off to the sidelines. i think she has made herself so valuable, she could have a federally-funded bridge anywhere in her state made of gold. anything at any time. she is so smart. >> lisa: i see what you did there. know what i wish was contagious? the truth. that is the thing that has been absent from this entire conversation. everybody is basing the way they feel about this conversation on emotion, as opposed to facts and evidence and the truth. the problem, if you actually examine christine ford's story, president trump was right. she has her member anything. the story she was given contradicts think she is frivolous he said. i said this yesterday, or polygraph letter alone has two different versions of how many people were there. her entire story and motivation, allegedly, for her and her husband to go treat this couples counseling, which ends up being a farce. she said she needed a second door in her house because of the trauma she faced. we find out through investigative reporting, weeks later, because there was none done at the initial part of the story, but the door was a

business decision to rent out -- for a second room to rent out to renters and a marriage counseling business. the problem is, she has been unquestioned this entire time, which is dangerous. >> capri: do think she has been played by the democrats because rec she's been willing and all this. >> harris: i want to give axis conversation, i'm getting notes on senator cory booker was just spoken to the camera. >> melissa: shocking. i'm sorry. >> tucker: you saying that cory booker spoke to a television camera? >> melissa: that's. >> harris: deeply critical, there are still "hints of misconduct" and the fbi's report on kavanaugh. i tell you, the fbi is at the center of a lot of emotions politically these days. >> tucker: that's why they should be rejected paid i will say for myself -- and i agree with lisa -- for me, the missing puzzle piece is what semiemployed famous people think. people who impaired insight comes in the 80s and haven't work

worked since. >> harris: hey, i used to work for norman lear! a hundred years ago he employed me. they go. on that note, as the protest continues, that are growing questions over how the controversy surrounding judge kavanaugh will impact the midterms. one top democrats say women are more motivated than ever to cast a ballot for dems, but a new poll shows that it's actually republican enthusiasm that has skyrocketed. which one is a question mark we will debate that. >> some powerful people, people from the great state of -- oh!

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>> harris: growing questions over how the controversy surrounding judge brett kavanaugh will play out in the midterm elections. house democrat whip says the issue is working in his party's favor. he said this, "the women of america are very energized and they started to be energized on the 21st of january, 2017. it has not dissipated. while i believe there is some energy on the other side, as well, i don't believe it matches

the energy that was created on our side, which was already at a high level." a new poll, though, shows that the kavanaugh controversy maybe having the opposite effect from what he thinks. right now, a nearly equal percentage of republicans and democrats believe the upcoming midterm is very important. back in july, democrats had a 10% point lead on that. what is collapsing on one side and building on the other, tucker? >> tucker: there are a bunch of things going on. by the way, let me just say, i think a lot of the public opinion polling is contradictory and hard to understand. it's hard to interpret. i'm not sure exactly what i think of it, the publicly available poles. my sense is one thing -- it's not a straightforward gender war. i've a lot of women in my life, and they are far more skeptical of the claims than i am. i would say. the polling shows most women believe her, but not all. that's for sure.

be, i believe most republicans understand there are massive principles at stake that are far more important than just the court. see, brett kavanaugh is far more popular among republicans than any other member of the senate. >> harris: i wish you could i e surprised about that. >> tucker: he's more impressive than they are. let's be frank. i think republicans in the senate understand, if they let this guy languish and his life is destroyed, he doesn't get the good, they will be punished. >> capri: are publicans that home. i think it was one of the concerns that was weighing on many senate republicans. had this stalled, the whole point for republicans was "look, we control everything. we we are waiting for you to put conservatives on letting the democrats run the show. i will be show up and vote for you in six weeks customer" i think that calculus is changing.

the outcome of the confirmation can go both ways. a good fire of democrats to say "we want to stop this in the senate, we want to create more fight," or it could bring our public and saying "thank you for putting a conservative on the court." that's why bc the tie at 80/82. >> harris: i want to ask most about this. democrat friends in my life, and return us to talk politics too much when i'm not working, but it's interesting to hear from both sides. republican friends say similarly to what you are saying, capri, that it will cost them in the long run. democrats say "we should have just come up with a message that everybody liked about the economy and gone with that." just completely go away from even the argument about kavanaugh at all. >> melissa: i think it has put -- president trump with the fire in the belly of democrats. they watch him and they go "we have to go out and stop him." i think this issue, people on the right feel like there's something very fundamentally unfair about what has gone on here.

it kind of scares you. back to what tucker said at the beginning, when you feel like the founding principles of our country are not being respected, that there is nefarious going on, that has fired up the republican side. i think patchin will meet passion at the ballot box. before, although winning was glowing republicans in a sense of staying home. they're feeling better about their wallet, better about their finances. feeling like we are on the right track. maybe would skip -- >> capri: they do track more than democrats and midterms. >> lisa: millicent hits the nail on the head. i think we can learn a lot through polling. we have learned a lot with the enthusiasm gap closing to such a degree it has throughout this confirmation battle. the big thing to look at is the fact that democrats were already really excited to turn out. we have seen that in all the special elections. republicans weren't as much. this is basically just throwing a grenade on the republican electorate. i have worked in politics for

ten years now. i have never been so upset by something than this. >> melissa: i want to point people what's going on the screen there, you see elizabeth warren who obviously loves the crowd, especially a hollywood one, has come out to talk to these processors we see in front of the u.s. district court in washington. as she is speaking, we are also getting word that senator jeff flake has returned to that room where the fbi report is locked up, and he says he is doing more reading on the report. i bring this to your attention because his movement during that last vote made a big difference, and some folks on the right said they should have never let him out of the room there. [laughs] in any case, his movement has changed things before. i want to point them out to you, that jeff flake has returned to do a little more reading, capri. >> capri: is lisa murkowski still in there, too? >> melissa: she's not letting anybody know where she is.

we are hearing she still there, but she is the clever one. >> capri: when those groups get together -- i got, just couple days ago, i think both of those two along with joe manchin were all in the same room. i would love to be a fly on the wall in that skiff. >> tucker: are his lips moving as he reads question work that's question, right? [laughter] >> harris: pouring over report that already senator flake has said didn't offer cooperation of dr. ford's story, because he wants to read all of that fbi report word for word. that is juxtaposed to what you're seeing on the left side of your screen. protesters, aided by some celebrities outside the u.s. district court. top republicans recalling testimony from the fbi lawyer, the most explosive yet, when it comes to the russian investigation. will lawmakers get the answers they are looking for? ♪ the riskiest job.

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>> melissa: fox news alert, today's the deadline for the doj to turnover former fbi director andrew mccabe's memos to house republicans. i'm sure they're going to do it. those memos reportedly detail allegations that deputy attorney general bob rosenstein suggested secretly recording president trump. also today, new reaction to the congressional interview of former top fbi lawyer james baker. republican mark meadows and jim jordan telling fox news that his testimony is the most explosive to date. watch this. >> some of the things that were shared were explosive in nature. i couldn't believe that i was hearing some of the testimony here in the united states. that the doj and fbi were involved with. >> during the time, prior to the election, there was another source giving information directly to the fbi. which we found the source to be

pretty explosive. >> melissa: excuse me? familiar with the congressional investigation, they tell fox news that source was a lawyer for the dmc and the clinton campaign. james baker reportedly telling investigators that lawyer michael sussman initiated contact with baker and provided documents and electronic media on russian hacking. sussman, a partner in the d.c. law firm that commissioned the trumpet dossier. tucker, were you able to follow all the ins and outs of that? >> tucker: i was. this is the worst system ever devised, were a small group of people nobody trusts are the only ones with access to the primary documents. you pointed out the beginning of the show. then they go on television and characterize them for the rest of us. nobody believes what anybody's saying. the rest of us get completely -- when i was a kid people use it coat justice brandeis, that sunshine is the best disinfectant. liberals would not incite a "that's absolute right."

mary watching reporters are going to be that the public has a right to know nothing about the government, information should be withheld from them? the only way to fix this after some brief number of to stand up and say "send me to jail, but here's the actual document. i'm putting it on twitter. i'm reading it into a camera right now." >> didn't cory booker try that, or claim he did? >> tucker: right. except what he told us what is already up. why doesn't someone lead the fight? >> i couldn't agree with you more. you said exactly what i wanted to say. it's been frustrating to me, because people are paranoid because we don't know, and nobody trusts what anybody says. if we don't have the cold, hard facts in front of us on a piece of paper that we can read ourselves without a middleman, we won't believe anybody. >> harris: it's not even just that nobody trusts what anybody says. it's the perception by the public that maybe don't care as much as the citizens do. maybe it has nothing to do with the wider public, and it's the secret keeping that just keeps them where they are.

>> i think people worry about that, all salsa. where is their voice all this? >> what tucker says is what we need a real spartacus incentive people who really struck me is that cleared. [laughter] i don't say lindsey graham spartacus. but i think is dangerous is the fact that regardless of what rod rosenstein said was a joke or not, it could be believed. it's dangerous because we know that obama's fbi opened a counterintelligence investigation into the opposing party come into donald trump's campaign. surveillance warrant against carter page, who still to this day has not been charged with any wrongdoing. we have an fbi where there has been clearly a biased text messages, and biased behavior that took place. as well as we've reached is really dangerous point of, regardless if he was joking or not, it could be believed. how terrifying is that? >> harris: it could be believed and repeated, which is proud to lack problematic for him, apparently. >> melissa: and now there's another source, another person that was going back and

providing intelligence. another spy, none of the person i was and then prayed somebody we haven't even heard about. when you actually get this whole story? tucker, do you think we ever actually get the whole story of what went on in this period of time? >> tucker: nothing is hidden forever. the people hiding it right now should remember that. at some point, everything -- i know it sounds like a metaphysical point, and it is -- but it's a practical point. you can't hide stuff forever. they shouldn't bother. it's actually hurting the country in a real way. that's not a partisan observation. it's a fact. do you trust your government more or less than you did two years ago? way less. everyone feels that way, on all sides. >> harris: isn't it a little odd now that can be neatly now, or may be inconvenient, democrats are doubting the fbi? >> that she was now their foot that's where they don't trust politicians. they make the facts giving it for them. >> melissa: new fox poll showing it for democrat.

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♪ >> welcome back. president trump is heading to minnesota for a rally today. new fox poll so that g.o.p. candidates are getting a boost by increased interest among republicans. the poll is focusing on races key to the balance of the

senate. it shows an uptick in republicans who feel extremely interested in the election. nine points in indiana, 2 arizona, and eight in north dakota. the polls show a neck and neck race in indiana with democratic senator joe donnelly leading g.o.p. candidate mike braun by just two points. set candidates and errors essentially tied with democrat kyrsten sinema topping martha mcsally by two points. in north dakota, senate race republican kevin kramer leading democratic senator heidi heitkamp by 12 points. before we get into the short term implications of of this stuff, i want to ask you -- one of the long-term invocations for politicians in this country? >> tucker: they are completely reliant. when bill clinton ran in 1992, west virginia was one of his best seats. i think he won every county. california, of course, he lost. i can't remember. anyway, california is not in the top five good seats for bill clinton in 1992.

fast forward to this last election, hillary didn't win a single county in west virginia. everything is kind of inverting. nothing -- heidi heitkamp seems fine, joe manchin, i like him. there's no reason they should be representing the states. this the tail end of a realignment whether a publican party becomes a middle-class party. that's what's happening. >> you look at the short-term applications, we have seen the enthusiasm change drastically within the midst of this kavanaugh fight. one of the invocations of that heading into november west and mark >> tucker: again, it's impossible -- i'm getting too much polling data. is >> from your estimation, for some it is been in a while and interviewed a lot of people over the years -- >> tucker: what's it say? is not a selection for you don't want people to excited about elections, because politics isn't the most important thing. never should be in happy society. your families the most important thing. it is important right now, because i think people are starting to understand the principles that undergird it all. it's a useful conversation. republicans win that conversation. they don't have many principal's, but at least they

have some. democrats and literally none, other than "we deserve power, shut up and obey." >> what's at stake here? >> tucker: what country you want to live in. it's a free country, can you say we think? can you be destroyed with an accusation by no proof? this is a fundamental thing. >> how concerned are you about this leeway of crashing or not being as big as people were originally sink us direct looking at democrats hopes and taking back the senate? >> i was never really sold on the blue way for a of reasons. you have gerrymandered seats all across the country. the house, i think, there is a little there. i don't know. i think that the one really to watch here is arizona. it is a dead heat, and i think that if there is one the democrats can flip it's that one. it is all about the candidate, it's all about how they actually connect with the individual voters within their state and the district. it's about having that message that connects to those voters. we lose, we have a national watered-down message when we

hang out with celebrities. that's not what people in the mahoning valley and ohio want to hear. >> except for melissa, because she's a former celebrity. except for you! >> melissa, what do you think about all this? when you look at some of these polling, and the conversations of the country? what is the impact politically in your estimation? >> today the impact is that tucker's book is more relevant than ever. he hits the nail on the head of a lot of the issues that were brought forth of this exact moment. by this exact fight. it is called "ship of fools." how a selfish ruling classes bring america to the rank of revolution. tucker, i am reading your book and taking notes. you are the king of hitting the nail on the head. he put it in the most perfect way, and one of the things i've already learned is that if you don't like the outcome of the policies of the past eight years -- and those are measured. it could be slow gdp growth,

this from the federal reserve. a widening gap between rich and poor. the median income falling. this is not appealing, these are facts. if you don't like the outcome, you are racist and you are a bad person. >> tucker: exactly. >> melissa: that's how they frame the argument. that's why so much of the country, and even the world, is saying "i'm no i'm not a racist. i just don't like having less money. i don't like that things are getting worse." "you've lost me." >> tucker: is a transparent means of social control. instead of having a conversation about the decisions i've made, you can be quiet and obey the next decision. they frame everything as a tribal contest. this group over this group. no, this is about economics. if you believe your kids are going to make less than you do, and most people believe that, what happens to the american dream? how did we get there? the middle class is literally the minority of the country now for the first time in a century. how did that happen? by decisions from which they benefited.

everyone else suffered prayed that the actual debate. >> melissa: that's a great point. if you look at the cover of the book, "ship of fools," it's everybody in washington. because they have become a ruling class where they are hoarding power and resources for themselves. you talk about it being economic. it's not about left and right. it's about that ruling class in washington who, you saw it during the recession. when washington boomed and everybody else was -- i'm infatuated with this. i love this book. more "outnumbered" in just a minute. >> tucker: thank you breathe freely fast, with vicks sinex.

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>> melissa: that was a fun hour, thanks to tucker carlson. are you coming back? >> tucker: i wish i could stay stay. >> melissa: in the meantime, here's harris. >> harris: we go "outnumbered overtime," i'm harris faulkner. all eyes on capitol hill, senators are getting their first look at the fbi report on supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. the white house getting the supplemental background information earlier this morning with a source saying it shows no evidence corroborating allegations of sexual assault or misconduct. dr. christine blasey ford's attorney's are after that investigation for not a turning interviewing their client or other potential witnesses. se