>> thank you, martha. >> tucker: that is "our story" on monday night. tomorrow, don't miss any interview with senator chuck grassley in the hearing room where all of this started. see you then. tomorrow night. ♪ >> tucker: good evening. welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." moments ago, brett kavanaugh was formally sworn in as the supreme court of the united states. it happened in washington. it happened as you know after a full month of very bitter debate. here was the president at the white house ceremony minutes ago. >> president trump: on behalf of our nation, i want to apologize to brett and the entire kavanaugh family for the terrible pain and suffering you have been forced to endure. those who step forward to serve our country deserve a fair and dignified evaluation. not a campaign of political and personal destruction based

on lies and deceptions. what happened to the kavanaugh family violates every notion of fairness, decency and due process. our country, a man or a woman, must always be presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. and with that, i must state that you, sir, under historic scrutiny were proven innocent. thank you. >> tucker: remarkable moment. you wouldn't think our leaders would need to publicly defend the presumption of innocence and it would be controversial when they do but that is where we are. politically, of course, this whole thing turned out to be unexpected debacle from the democrats. the lessons of the defeat are pretty clear. creepy porn lawyers make bad national spokesmen. screaming mob of child activists scare normal people

watching at home. wild allegations of gang rape tend to be counter productive. in other words it is in fact possible to go too far. and they did. it's not a complicated message. yet, none of it seems obvious tonight to democrats. the activist left has learned an entirely different set of lessons from the kavanaugh experience. the supreme court is a sham. the constitution is meaningless. the electoral college must go. only a country divided into warring tribes can be ruled effectively. if we can't control it, let's burn it down. that is the message they have internalized. watch how activists gathered at the supreme court and reacted after the kavanaugh vote on saturday afternoon. keep in mind as you watch this, this is not a clip from a zombie movie. it's washington, d.c., 2018. [chanting] >> tucker: children of

affluence raging. the raging continued on cable news and on social media. we have to eliminate the electoral college they chirped in unison. "white men are bad." the message was coordinated. the media figures seem to say the same thing at the same time. indeed they were. they were repeating talking points from the democratic party, whose interests they faithfully serve. for generations conservatives called this "the liberal media." but that is not quite right. these are not liberals. they are not people who believe in free speech or transparency or due process or challenging corporate power or any other recognizable liberal value. these are party people. they are hacks. and joiners and drones. they read the latest pronouncement from the central committee like scripture. they repeat whatever they are told. they are robots. liberals used to defend the rights of the minority. good for them. watch now as hillary clinton explains how entire states should lose the political power because voters don't

agree with the majority of the rich kids in brooklyn. watch this. >> do you think the electoral college should be abolished? >> i said that in 2000 after what happened in the 2000 election with al gore. anachronism designed for another time no longer works. we have moved toward one person, one vote. i think it needs to be eliminated. i would like to see us move beyond it. yes. >> tucker: it isn't just the electoral college either. in the past few days many have been saying the senate itself should be changed. with the different states having a different number of senators. all of a sudden everybody on the left seems to be saying things like this. including supposedly unbiased reporters. shut up, -- shut up, wyoming. nobody care what is you think. the left has never been big on self-awareness. this is one especially amazing example of that.

this is an onion piece waiting to be written. from ken stereo, finance billionaire, one of the democratic party's biggest donors and they listen to him only because he sends them money. but the latest crusade is against -- we want to prepare you for a blast of hot irony -- rich, entitled white men. watch this. savor it. >> a group of very rich, very entitled white men wanted to tell the rest of the country we are going to have our way. and if you don't like it, that is too darn bad. >> tucker: yeah, that is what tom stereo is against -- tom stire are against. let us know when you stop snickering. think about what he is saying. he is saying brett kavanaugh is now on the supreme court because the majority of the senate voted for him as the constitution subscribes but what is actually happening, he is saying, that kavanaugh was installed by a racial group to disempower every other racial group in america.

this is tribal warfare posing as democracy and your tribe is losing. that is what he is telling you. as a factual matter this is insane. the lunacy that would have gotten you booted off a cable channel five years ago. it's also a lie and it's dangerous. it's exactly the kind of things that hutu leaders in rwanda said in the early '90s. responsible people don't talk like this. suddenly it's everywhere on the left. not just the wackos pounding on the door of supreme court. the line between dangerous and the democrats are blurring on the left. watch this. >> i want to introduce to you another champion, another one of the people who works for us on the inside. give it up to the senator from the greatest state of the united states of america, my state. new york. senator kirsten gillibrand. [applause] >> tucker: imagine a klan leader introducing a public

senator at an event this way. one of our people who works for us on the inside. that is the equivalent of you just saw. sarsour embracing gillibrand got no media coverage. it's normal now. the press just applaud it. how far can this go? spend an hour watching other channels and see what you think. this is a guy with a harvard law degree at msnbc explaining how trump voters are nazis. watch. >> trump has delivered for these people on the things they care about most. he delivered racism for the people. he has delivered my -- misogyny for the people. now he delivered the supreme court for the people. we'll see if the reign they now have control over all three branches of government, see if it lasts for 30 days or two years or thousand-year reich. >> tucker: all the other people nod. oh, yeah, that is right. a thousand-year reich. keep in mind hundreds of

thousands of american men died to stop the thousand-year reich. a lot of their children and the grandchildren grew up in this country to vote for donald trump. only to be called nazis for doing it. not that mr. harvard law school knows any of that. he probably couldn't tell you the year the second world war ended. he doesn't care. history means nothing to revolutionaries and that is why they keep repeating it. heather mcdonald manhattan institute and author of the book. peter is a civil rights commissioner and they are joining us. heather to you, since this is related to your book title, the kavanaugh debate inserted by force by the left the questions of the race and gender. race is not inherent to the story at all. it's part of a political tactic. what tactic is it we are watching? >> well, tucker, as a close observer of academia, i thought i was inured to

incoherence and to the narcissistic blind rage. but i am stunned by the direction that the kavanaugh episode keeps taking. we are seeing the worst of the poisonous academic identity politics transformed to the real world with extra boost from the sheer political power grab. this incident had nothing to do with race. it had nothing to do with gender. it's about one thing. due process of the law and the presumption of innocence and whether a case had been made that judge kavanaugh was a rapist. that case was most decidedly not made and yet we see the academic inspired democratic left try to dure this into an issue of race. it's mindboggling. it's incoherent. what we are seeing as well at play is an idea that is prevalent on the academic

circuit today. the idea of the intersectionality. the description of a routlessly competitive totem pole of victimhood. we are talking about a white, alleged white victim here. female. but now the whiteness card being played broadly. yet, she was a white victim. it doesn't make sense. >> tucker: it doesn't make any sense. >> the only thing we know, he sea white male. that is all you -- he is a white male and all you need to know. worst of the worst. vile of all creatures. >> tucker: i have been watching to figure out what the message is. i agree it's incoherent. but it is intimidating to people. if you throw terms like "white supremacy" around, people cower. what is the right response for reasonable people of all races faced with an argument like this that doesn't make sense but has emotional resonance and is scary? what do you say?

>> you have to point out what the facts are. here, it is absurd and ridiculous and also the only card that progressive forces have. by engaging in the identity politics it metastasizes up through k-12 and we haven't heard any meaningful policy description since who knows when from progressives? since 2016. everything is about race. everything is about gender. they have to pit one group against the other for their electoral advantage. if the democrats don't get 90% of the black vote they will go the way of the whig party in the country. despite they have 90% of the black vote, they have lost three of the last five presidential elections. regardless of what the facts are, regardless of what the issue is. they must make it about identity, because they have no meaningful policy prescriptions. >> tucker: that is exactly right. maybe the rest of us could

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avenatti is a beast. he keeps popping trump and his folks in the mouth. he may be the savior of the republic. >> he is a master of the media cycle. >> i owe avenatti an apology. for the last couple of weeks i'm saying enough already, michael. i see you every. what else do you have to say? i was wrong. you have a lot to say. the democrats could learn something from you. >> tucker: savior of the me rub -- savior of the relub -- republic. who gives these people shows. hundreds of media appearances propelled him to be leading candidate for the presidency. but the creepy porn lawyer reminded the public while evidence and the presumption of innocence matter. it may have saved brett kavanaugh in the process. so now the former benefactors are mad and they are turning

on him. >> some of your democratic colleagues saying the fellow democrats' case against justice kavanaugh was weakened by michael avenatti. >> avenatti is the best thing to happen to kavanaugh. all the democrats flirting with him have to be embarrassed. >> a lot of democrats are saying and are you hearing this? that he took a sympathetic case with ford and turned it into a circus losing them the high ground. >> yes. the michael avenatti circus comes to town. >> avenatti came in with the swetnick allegation of the druggie gang rape stuff that seems to have been much less taken as credible. >> avenatti dud a huge favor to the trump white house. >> tucker: david is an attorney and former adviser to senator patty murray. he joins us. thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: did it turn out that stormy daniels' former lawyer not in the end the savior of the republic as

msnbc dubbed him? >> it gives him too much credit to say he was the deciding factor in this. we know justice kavanaugh was confirmed because of a process that the republicans ran and they were single-mind and determined to ensure the nomination no matter the serious and credible allegations that were raised against him. >> tucker: i think you are right. i'm not sure he was decisive in this. they weren't the only single-minded determined party. the democrats were those things too. would you describe the allegation of his client that she attended ten consecutive gang rapes, didn't report it to the police or tell friends or relatives and judge kavanaugh was present at some of these drugging the punch. but wait, she says later he wasn't. is that a credible allegation, do you think? >> what strikes me about the allegation and i believe she swore under penalty of perjury in her declaration.

as a lawyer that says something to me. >> tucker: she contradicted it in a later interview. >> my take-away, october 2 that she wanted that allegation to be included the scope of the f.b.i. investigation. to me that would have been a right way forward allowing for the f.b.i. to fairly and impartially credit her allegation. >> how would they do that since e gave her declaration under oath. she named no other person present other than people who already under oat denied -- under oath denied she was telling the truth. there was nobody left to interview but her and she was making claims so stupid even senators didn't believe it. there were not ten going rapes in a row and nobody knew it. why didn't they say c'mon, this is not helpful.

>> i think you did see members give more credence to dr. chrstine blasey ford's testimony. the focus on ford's testimony was poeerful because she forward and testified and they could ask her questions. the broader take-away for me is unfortunately the f.b.i. investigation was not comprehensive. in fact, justice kavanaugh and dr. chrstine blasey ford weren't even interviewed as part of the investigation. so, i think it was a missed opportunity for to us clear up a lot of the questions. >> tucker: i want to understand what you are saying. are you saying because creepy porn lawyer's client claimed ten consecutive gang rapes that didn't happen and you know it as well as i, that she wasn't interviewed from the f.b.i. means he couldn't have been confirmed. >> i want to make sure you are mr. avenatti using that term. i don't watch your show. >> i'm not fully -- right. the lawyer who represented

stormy daniels, savior of the republic. >> i'm not sure he is a leading candidate. >> tucker: he has been invited by democrats in early primary states. are you saying that because his client, the ten gang rape in a row client, she wasn't interviewed about her lied cross claims that somehow kavanaugh shouldn't have been confirmed? >> that is not what i said. i wish she had been interview and that they should have looked at the story and offered a complete record. i'm saying i think we have a missed opportunity because there are serious questions outstanding because the f.b.i. investigation was not allowed to be as complete and holistic as i think many members, certainly the democratic members, you saw the statement wish they had been. >> tucker: quickly bottom line it. just about the creepy porn lawyer, c.p.l. component. are you happy to have him in

the party and keep doing what he is doing? that is what the democrats stand for or go back to doing whatever he does. >> we are a big tent party so i am happy for anyone stepping up for what they believe in but it will be a big crowd field so i'm not going to offer a forecast who is the nominee. >> tucker: i am rooting for him. i'm not a democrat but i am rooting for him. >> i'm sure she is happy to hear that. >> tucker: i know he will be. thank you. well, john mayer some describe as a big-time womanizer went on a rant about how men are bad in response to brett kavanaugh's confirmation. is that political or is something else going on? are people attacking others for things they might be criticized for? we'll explain it next. ♪ it is such a good time to kiss ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪

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i'm going on record revealing the trauma of men feeling like they have fallen short of [bleep] male contract that nobody can live up to. until we get rid of that in men we won't have the life we all deserve. >> tucker: i'm going on record, says john mayer, i'm against men behaving badly. john player has been accused of behaving badly. maybe this is a presymptive strike against further accusations. we don't know. but there is no evidence against him than brett kavanaugh. it doesn't mean the rant was surprising. harvey weinstein was a big defender of women, too. and we have a guest and i don't doubt anyone's sincerity. and john mayer is a talented guy. but i remember the song "your body is a wonderland" and he has one pair of candy lips and

the bubble gum tongue. i could go on. is that an example of the toxic masculinity right there? >> it isn't. it depends what you think about the toxic masculinity. john mayer a couple of years ago i wouldn't agree with much of what he said. he used to be such a dude. he said many offensive things but this is a good example, the recent statements about how men can resolve and change. toxics masculinity isn't about saying your body is a wonderland. it's about men being violent toward women. that song was written for his girlfriend at the time. >> tucker: everyone is against men being violent toward women. i wonder if the standard isn't different. if brett kavanaugh's calendar from 1982 had basketball with sqi and your body is a wonderland and your bubble gum tongue, you would have called for his arrest, right? >> but mayer wasn't up for the supreme court.

you are talking about two men. >> so it's assuming political power. >> no, it's different -- >> looking for universal -- >> it's not the same thing at all. one man is a singer and the other man is up for the united states supreme court. >> get in the way of the democrats' power. >> serious allegation come up against kavanaugh. has anyone accused mayer of sexual assault? >> tucker: i hope not. i'm not attacking him at all. i just want to know what the standard is. there is such a thing of toxic masculinity, men being male. >> that is completely wrong. that is not correct at all. >> tucker: there is no definition. it's like some made up some feminist term. there is no real definition. >> there have been studies done on it. it's an academic term and violence against women. >> tucker: you further discredited it. uh-huh. let me -- >> no, i haven't, actually. look it up, tucker. we are talking about violence against women.

and talking about a pop star. >> tucker: everybody is against violence against women. be clear about that. >> that is what toxic masculinity is about. >> tucker: that is your definition. >> that is the definition. >> tucker: what is toxic femininity? >> i don't think there is a definition of toxic femininity. >> tucker: oh, there isn't? there are a lot of women in prison for shooting -- i'll be honest. i don't think inherent qualities are ever toxic. i don't think there is toxic homosexual till or toxic masculinity. it's an idea that is insane. if they act in a way is bad that behavior bad. >> you are talking about two different points. >> tucker: you tell me -- >> toxic masculinity is not inherent and not all men are violent and bad. breaking news. not all men are violent and bad. what is controversial about what john mayer said? what is so controversial about that? he says don't feel entitled to

women. this is coming on the heels of really intense time -- >> tucker: hold on. can i ask a serious question? this is an intense time but all of us have adults have an obligation to think as clearly as we can. >> thigh that is why you shouldn't defiant incorrectly. >> tucker: there is no definition. >> there is. you are saying that but it's not correct. >> tucker: you know it is true. >> it isn't. >> tucker: why not just say abuse is bad. masculinity is a quality inherent in men. you are attacking inherent quality. you know that perfectly well which is why you won't concede there is toxic femininity. >> you don't know what you are talking about. >> tucker: i do too well. >> you don't. you are completely misdefining it. it's incorrect. >> tucker: i need to read academic journals. >> please do. google search. thank, tucker. >> tucker: hilarious. brett kavanaugh can barely go outside now. meanwhile the clintons are loud and proud and on tour.

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>> tucker: brett kavanaugh made it on the supreme court. he was sworn in today. yet the attacks on him which were proud precedent have made it likely impossible for him or his family to lead a normal public life for some time maybe ever. no such restrictions you will notice exist for bill clinton, though. he and his wife hillary going on tour. they want to be richer and they think you can help.

they are visiting 13 cities to host what they call conversations about what else? themselves. you want to go and pay homage to them? of course. the tickets for the first event will cost $72. that is the cheapest. mark steyn is author and columnist and will be first in line for the tour. are you doing to this? >> i'm disturbed that a remarkable number of stops on the tour reason canadian cities. i don't know if that is an insult to my native land. they feel like the super annuated rock groups that are still big in j pan. -- big in japan. >> tucker: grand funk railroad. >> yes. something like that. but it is interesting. after hearing the democrats talk about the toxic masculinity, this is the toxin in the form of bill clinton

going -- i mean i don't know how you get the toxin in the masculinity. for one thing. but i'm pretty sure that however you do it, bill clinton is in on the secret. that is something interesting to know about. he won't be doing anything like that. it will be bland insipid clinton foundation type of speeches but they have run out of the saudi princessssh -- saudi princes. so they have to take it on the road. >> tucker: you spent your childhood in britain. and scott kelly, the astronaut learned how hard is it to praise anybody born before 1985. he posted a quote yesterday. one of the greatest leaders of modern times said in victory

magnanimity, i guess the days are over. for the crime of praising churchill he was inundated from the criticism that users who said he was a genocidal war monger. he vowed to them and vowed to educate myself further on his atrocities and the racist views. woe. he has been reeducated. what does this tell us? >> the modernization that comes with living in an eternal present tense. churchill, hardly necessary to say this, indispensable man of the 20th century. he provided over the hinge moment before the fall of france and the spring of 1940 and the germans' insane decision to invade the soviet union a year later. >> tucker: right. >> that year when britain and the empire stood alone determined the cause of --

course of the 20th century. if it hadn't been churchill -- i head to have to explain this. pathetic that one of the few men that goes up in orbit apparently left his brains outs on planet zongo somewhere. there is no need to apologize for defending churchill. you live in the world that churchill made. if a twitter ignoramus trying to drive you to suicide because the only point of twitter is to drive minor celebrities to suicide, if they don't know that get off twitter and go to space. you will mess a less moronic class of person on planet zongo. >> tucker: you live in the world churchill created. really quick for the edification for the rest of us, how do we respond when the twitter mob goes after us for saying something that should be obvious? >> i think you actually have to shove it down their throat. this guy, these guys are arguing that churchill was no

different from hitler. no. churchill was the guy who defeated hitler. when everybody else around him like the other guy who would have been prime minister, lord halifax, wanted to make peace and accommodate with him. we live in an eternal presence tense. in an eternal presence tense means you are eternally a child. you are taylor swift. you are justin bieber. that is why you can't comprehend winston churchill because he wears long pants unlike justin bieber. >> tucker: i knew you would be the best on that. mark steyn, great to see you. thank you. >> thanks a lot, tucker. >> tucker: everything else in the news disappeared for the last month. we are waking up to a brand new world. news has still been happening. the left is pushing an increasingly, in fact a radical agenda. amnesty for as many as 22 million people here all legally. that is their electoral strategy going forward.

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>> tucker: well, the month-long battle over brett kavanaugh consumed virtually all attention in washington. virtually all of our attention. it distracted a lot of us from the issue of immigration. the issue has not gone away. in fact we know more about it now than a month ago. many democratic candidates run on a platform of abolishing border enforcement and ending any enforcement at the border and outright amnesty for people already here illegally. that could be a bigger question than any of us knew. a new study by yale university, two yale professors one from m.i.t. found there are about 22 million illegal immigrants in

the united states. that is double to conventional estimate. there could be mar. caesar vargas is a lawyer and former illegal immigrant. thank you for coming on. this is a meaningful study. it's not done by a politically minded group. it's probably done by liberals. 22 million people is a lot of people. are you still for giving them all citizens in >> thank you for having me. happiage dijnous people's day -- happy indigenous people's day. let me get to three people on that. first, make sure that the researchers clarely said this is not implication there is an outburst of the undocumented immigrants in the u.s. this is based on a basic principle. they have taken the initial population plus everyone who comes in and plus everyone who leaves so this points directly to what they want to say. namely, it's a shadow population and we won't count

everyone so there is an undercount. three, most importantly -- >> tucker: sorry, this is the study -- [overtalk] >> it could have been at any point. 22 million; 9 million, 2 million. >> tucker: answer my questions. it couldn't be 2 million. stop, please. it's not politics. i read the study. first people to look at systemically. there are far more than 11 million people in the country illegally. the largest margin in the history of presidential elections in the country 19al 84 -- 1984 was 7 million. there are more illegal aliens that made the blowout in presidential history. they are definitive. i want to know really quick there are 22 million, 24 million, 20 million. you want to give all of them citizenship and voting rights? are you for that? >> absolutely. no question. look at the economy. we are doing pretty well. 3.7% unemployment rate. 4.2% economic growth.

if we want to do better -- look if we had 22 undocumented immigrants now we are doing well economically. i say a path to citizenship. let them pay taxes and we'll have a better economy. talk about where we are at the moment. >> tucker: slow down. wait. hold on. you are conceding they are not paying taxes now? having talked to you many times your argument as always they pay in the system more than they are taking out. >> i said, "more taxes." >> citizens don't pay more taxes. everybody works pays the taxes, pays their tax rate. so you concede a lot of the people in addition to breaking immigration law break the tax law and they use fake i.d. >> i said more than the original 11 million undocumented immigrants let mem pay taxes. >> tucker: i thought they already pay taxes. >> i said, "more taxes." if there is more -- >> tucker: what i would they pay more taxes? >> let mem pay more. if there is -- let them pay

more. >> tucker: i don't know if i can have you on the show. it doesn't make sense. >> simple math. 11 million undocumented immigrants. so let the other 11 million pay taxes. i'm not saying anything complicated. >> i don't know what you are saying. your point is illegal aliens are great, they are better than us. they pay the full tax share. you always said that. you said it 20 times on my show. now you are saying if we give them the vote they pay more taxes. the bottom line, i want the viewers to understand the agenda of the lunatics like you. i mean that with all respect. i like you personally. you are saying 22 million brand new voters in the electorate, here illegally and now they vote. 90% will vote for the democrats. you are saying one political party will have a hammer lock on national elections forever. what do you think the rest of us think about that? who are not democrats. >> why don't the republicans and the democrats compete for the vote and let people have

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>> tucker: government workers and students and about a total of 10 private sector employees enjoyed the day off for clbldz.

-- columbus day. some want it called indigenous people day. columbus, ohio, is ditching columbus day and celebrating veterans day in instead. the author of "erasing america" joins us tonight. this is part of a larger trend you write about in your book which i hope our viewers read. tell us what that trend is. >> well, the trend is to make us all feel ashamed to be americans and look at every aspect of the american story and say the founders was bad and the constitution is racist. what better place to start than with christopher columbus? he was patient zero of the

european invasion of america. >> tucker: i could not agree with you more. what is the point of that? why would they want to do that? >> well, the point is if we feel bad about our country and about the past, they can rewrite any future they want. progressives want to turn the united states into a socialist country. if you say everything in the past is bad, they can come up with a future that fits whatever they want to make it. >> tucker: they are telling the rest of us you don't have the right to defend yourself against our assaults? >> oh, definitely. it's about shame and blame. the assault on columbus. as a buckeye i am said about columbus, ohio, ditching the holiday. i think they should change the name of the city.

>> tucker: i agree to indigenous cities. >> [laughing]. or virtue-ville. >> tucker: [laughing]. obviously this has been going on in academia for sometime. it seems to have spread to columbus, ohio, which is a great town filled with normal people. >> well, i think it's been insinuated into the american education system for decades. starting in the 1970s, we had revisionism in american history books. with columbus, he starts chapter 1 in the revisionist history of america. people say columbus is a bad guy. >> tucker: unbelievable. a great book. your explanation of it was crisp. i appreciate you coming on. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: last tuesday a new

book "ship of fools," on the cover of the book is a caricature of jeff bezos. he is one of the people the book says hurt this country by his behavior. bezos runs amazon.com which had a monopoly on book sales. it might not have been the best marketing decision. fast forward to this week and amazon is telling customers it can't ship them this book for weeks. the publisher is baffled. we don't know what is going on. we will let you guess. you can still buy the book at barnes and nobel or your local book store. it's it for us tonight.

tune in at 8 p.m. for the sworn enemy of of lying, pomposity, smugness and group think, which is always present. we don't even notice it, but it's everywhere. we are against that. have a great night. "hannity" is next. >> sean: a great show. welcome to "hannity." so much breaking news. judge brett kavanaugh is officially the newest member of the united states supreme court. democrats failed to block kavanaugh's rightful nomination. they have once again been exposed as a party of no ideas but smearing and lies and character assassination. people that abandon the rule of law and due process and even any presumption of innocence. we will review the past several days. only 29 days to go until the mid-terms.