very strongly. the save our seas act will help address this problem by extending the marine debris program for five additional years. we also are strengthening that up to improve waste management overseas and clean up our nation's water. we will boost the federal government's response to oceans waste by authorizing the national oceanic and atmospheric administration to declare severe marine debris events, which happen all the time. it is incredible. it's incredible. when you look at it, people don't realize it, but all the time we are being inundated by debris from other countries. this legislation will release funds to states for cleanup and for response efforts. we will be responding, very strongly. the legislation also encourages the executive branch to engage with those nations responsible for dumping garbage into our oceans. my administration is doing

exactly that. for example, the new united states-mexico-canada agreement is the first u.s. trade agreement ever to include commitments by the parties to cooperate to address land and sea-based pollution and improve waste management. i can tell you that dan and sheldon were very insistent on trying to get that into the u.s. mca, the new agreement we have with canada and mexico. we will be putting it into other agreements also. the united states has some of the most beautiful beaches that oceans the world, and the coastlines are incredible. as president, i will continue to everything i can to stop other nations from making our oceans to stop making our oceans their landfills. that's what i am very pleased, i must say, to put my signature on this important legislation. i want to thank dan and sheldon and all of -- the admiral, wilbur, all the people who worked so hard on this.

this was a tough one. it had great bipartisan support. what was the final? >> it was unanimous. >> president trump: unanimous? bipartisan? did you ever think you could hear that? bipartisan? that's pretty good. can you imagine trump and white house in the same area? i have a lot of respect. >> what the person has said about the administration, the trump administration, doing a great job on this. it's an underreported story, but they are really taking the lead globally. mr. president, we ought to thank you very much. >> president trump: i want to thank you and i want to think sheldon. thank you, sheldon. >> thank you, mr. president. thank you very much. >> president trump: think you wilbur, thank you admiral. let's get this done properly, huh? okay. with that, we are all completed.

i just want to say, it's an honor. hopefully it goes a long way for hurricanes. we have notified other countries that have been abusers. we abused the ocean. we have known a notified them. they will be. i want to thank you very much. congratulations. >> the philippines up next? they are one of the worst. >> president trump: that's right. that's going to be interesting. you're working on that? >> we've got our team on the philippine trade agreement. >> president trump: yes? >> reporter: what exactly is the u.s. doing to investigate? >> president trump: we are looking at it. very strongly. we'll be having a report out soon. we are working with saudi arabia on what happened, it's a terrible thing. assuming it happen. maybe we will be. presently surprised. i tend to doubt it.

we take it very seriously. >> reporter: does the u.s. have a responsibility to warn him? >> president trump: it's not our country, it's in turkey. and not a citizen, as i understand it. but it should not open. it's a reporter with "the washington post." something like that should not be allowed to happen. something like that should not happen. we intend to get to the bottom of it, yes. >> reporter: mr. present, can you talk a little about the market? >> president trump: we are still a 40% for this period of time. the markets are way up over what they were. it is a correction that i think it is caused by the federal reserve, with interest rates. the dollar has become very strong, which, frankly -- people can debate whether or not they like a strong dollar or not. the dollar is very strong, very powerful. that causes a little difficulty with doing business, frankly.

a strong dollar doesn't necessarily mean all good, but we do have a very strong dollar. we have interest rates going up at a clip that is much faster than certainly a lot of people, including myself, would have anticipated. i think the fed is out of control. i think what they are doing is wrong. under the obama administration, you had a lot of help because they had very little interest. when you talk about economies, our economy is far better than that. but we have actually -- we are paying interest. they weren't. they were using funny money. i think the fed is far too stringent and they are making a mistake. it's not right. it is -- despite that, we are doing very well. but it's not necessary, in my opinion. i think i know about it better than they do. believe me. >> reporter: mr. president , what happen with -- >> president trump: i'm not going to fire him. i'm just appointing discipline.

far too fast. >> reporter: -- have to rely on the russians? >> president trump: i'm not worried. we have a tremendous space program going right now. in addition, you're going to have the space force. by next year we attend to have that authority in this budget. we will have our own everything. no, not at all. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: we have to see what happens. a lot of work is being done on that. we have to see what happens. i don't like stopping massive amounts of money that is being poured into our country. i know they are talking about different kinds of sanctions, but they are spending $110 billion on military equipment and on things that create jobs, like jobs and others for this country. i don't like the concept of

stopping an investment of $110 billion into the united states. you know what they are going to do? they're going to take that money and spend it in russia or china or someplace else. i think there are other ways. if it turns out to be as bad as it might be, there are certainly other ways of handling the situation. i will tell you come up front, right now -- i will say it in of senators, they are spending $110 billion purchasing military equipment and other things. if we don't sell it to him, they will say "thank you very much, we will buy it from russia." or, "thank you very much, we will buy it from china." that doesn't help us when it comes to jobs or our country is losing out on that work. but there are the things we can do. let's find out what the problem is first, okay? [indistinct question] i oppose -- i would not be in favor of stopping a country from spending $110 billion, which is an all-time record, and letting

russia have that money and letting china have that money, because all they are going to do is say "that's okay, we don't have to buy it from boeing. we don't have to buy it from lockheed martin. we don't have to buy it from raytheon at all these other great companies. we will buy it from russia, we will buy it from china." what good does that do us? there are other things we can d do. [indistinct question] there is something that has to take place. first i want to find out what happened, and we are looking. again, this took place in turkey. to the best of our knowledge, khashoggi is not a united states citizen. is that right? permanent resident? okay. we don't like it, john. we don't like it and we don't like it even a little bit. as to whether or not we should stop $110 billion from being spent in this country, knowing that they have four or five alternatives -- two very good alternatives -- that would not be acceptable. okay, but we are looking for the

answer. i think probably you will have an answer sooner than people think. thank you very much, i will see even a little little while. we are going to have you come in for kanye for just a couple of seconds, okay? he will be here. we would do a little -- you have a little fun, okay? [laughter] everybody -- we have kanye west and jim brown coming and everybody wants to know about kanye. i like jim brown, that jim brown is -- you think the nfl would be paying him a couple of dollars now and again? people don't know, he might have been -- she was the greatest football player, perhaps. he may have been an even better lacrosse player, did you know that? at syracuse. he may have been an even better lacrosse player and he's a great guy. he has been with me a long time. he has been a big supporter. think of all very much, you will come back in a little while. >> thank you. >> president trump: thank you very much. >> inside view it office, the president signing the save our

seas act, saying it's a bipartisan effort. he made the point that it was unanimously supported by senators. he was linked on each side, one a publican senator, dan sulliva sullivan. other democrat senator, sheldon whitehouse, from rhode island. he talked about the journey of this bill, the save our seas, and to work with other nations as well to make sure that the oceans have quick response when there is a lot of debris in the water. he also said -- and you hurt him just kind of wrapping up and sing the next thing -- literally, with rock and roll pace today, we will go from one thing to the next with the president. because he will be signing the modern music act, which looks to copyright and make sure that fees are paid to artists, previous to the 1970s. we anticipate the working lunch with kanye west is coming up within moments. you are the president saying that will be fun for reporters to cover. we have reports that joe brown also, he talked about, he's one of the best football players all time.

jim brown, rather prayed he will be there for that lunch, as well. perhaps kid rock and some others. we have a long list of participants who are not white house staff, obviously, who may be joining. i know you were laughing, because kid rock is part of my family. we will move on. we saw the presidents there are also talking about being in favor of not stopping money that saudi arabia would spend. $110 billion on weapons. the president saying that would be a record amount that would flow from that country two hours. he doesn't want to lose that, on the open market. russia or others, over this mysterious disappearance of this "washington post" columnist. was that person harmed, and was that harm -- the end-of-life order by saudi arabia? with regard to that, he think he's taking a look at maybe some other things i could be done, if it turns out that saudi arabia played a part in that man's death. but he doesn't want to touch

necessarily the flow of cash coming from saudi arabia for $110 billion in weapons buy. that's it for now. when kanye west shows up to the white house, we will jump to that. melissa? >> fox news light. search and rescue missions underway after one of the top four storms ever to hit the u.s. devastates the gulf coast. this is outnumbered, i'm melissa francis prete here today is harris faulkner, former state permit spokesperson fox news analyst and cohost of benson and harve, radio show, marie hearth, host of candy on the fox business network, kennedy, and joining us on the couch today, cohost of fox and friends weekend, pete had excess. he is outnumbered, but i have a feeling you are ready for that. >> pete: absolutely. i will say, i am a huge kid rock fan. you should have him on the couch. >> harris: we have invited him him! we will see if a brother-in-law shows up.

that's on fabless. >> melissa: of the powerful storm being blamed for the death of a man in the fort up penn health will end 11-year-old girl in georgia who was killed and her family's mobile home. this storm now moving northeast through the carolinas and into the mid atlantic. griff jenkins is live in tallahassee, florida, and here is some of the hardest hit area areas. >> high matt, melissa prayed the sound of chainsaws is what you hear all across tallahassee. they feel like they got spared really what could have been a much worse situation. by 5:00 a.m. this morning, when i was talking with fox and friends first, it was more than 111,000 people without power. but if you look at the trees, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of trees just like this. they were ripped out of their roots from the sheer force as michael passed to the west of tallahassee. sustained winds of 74 miles an hour. what came on shore, and mexico beach, was 155 miles an hour and

it's just unbelievable to think what twice this wind would do. search and rescue teams having trouble getting there. we went about 25 miles northwest of here on the way where michael had gone, and looks like literally a giant bowl ran through there. tearing trees out, throwing them into houses. we talked to the national guard, they went in, i talked to lieutenant of a national guard unit out of live oaks, for it. they are trying to get in there with tractors and bulldozers. it's a big cleanup. the big search and rescue operations are trying to get down to areas like port saint joe, like mexico beach and panama city where they have had no communication. the cell service, the committee conditions are terrible here. very difficult. here in tallahassee, when you look over my shoulder, you can actually see people are getting back to normal. they see the sun is out, they want to get back to the grocery store.

to the gas stations. in leon county, which is tallahassee proper, and where the community in quincy's, the officials are begging people just to be a little more patient. only if you have to, because they are trying to get in. they want to get in the national guard and it's creating quite a lot of traffic moving around. all in all, the officials here in tallahassee know that they got really lucky. it could have been much worse. they have a big cleanup, they call tallahassee tree town usa. the good have to plant some new trees. melissa? >> melissa: a lot of devastation. griff jenkins, thank you for that report. when we come back, questions surrounding deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, now a no-show to a planned meeting with g.o.p. lawmakers. now they want to subpoena him to make sure he is going to come and talk about those comments about wiretapping the president. you remember that. what it all means for the mueller probe, coming up. ♪

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judiciary chairman bob goodlatte to subpoena rosenstein. sources are telling fox news, rosenstein appearing on capitol hill are at an impasse over terms of his testimony. some lawmakers are insisting on an interview under oath, while rosenstein side refers no paper trail. they told investigators last week that he took seriously reports that rosenstein had discussed secretly recording president trump. possibly removing him from office under the 25th amendment. rosenstein has denied this report. he suggested that if he said it while he was only joking. here's president trump on "fox & friends" earlier, reacting to the news that rosenstein will not be meeting with g.o.p. lawmakers today. >> he mentioned certain things to me which are very positive about that event. i would think you want to put that down, whether under oath or not, i'm a little surprised at rod that he wouldn't do it.

i have a good relationship with him because work on a lot of other things. >> harris: is also comp located because if you lie to congress, well, that's problematic. what those conversations about the 25th amendment and kicking of the present, we will see. >> pete: and he's not denying. for the most part, he's not denying that he said it. he saying "i was just joking prick" there certain things to joke about and there certain things you don't. he's a lame duck. after the midterms are after them molar in the schedule is over, same with jeff sessions, the president is done with the status quo of the justice department and looking for something new. he understands enough that there is no reason to kick the hive because he believes nothing will be found for the mold investigation. don't do it now. the attorney general, even though he has recused himself, or rod rosenstein, it creates problem is you don't need. especially since nothing has been found. you got to get answers from a guy like this.

this plenty of he thinks he can answer to come as well. >> harris: marie, having worked in government as a high level, the state department, i'm curious -- if you wipe away the politics, is it problematic that he would want to work against the president if he wasn't joking? >> marie: certainly, if he wasn't joking prebut he should do is resign. if he feels like he can't serve the president, resign and he can talk publicly about why that is. other people have also said they take it as a joke. i don't have any idea why he said it -- >> harris: outside the meeting it could quite serious. >> marie: he said "i don't really make jokes about the 25th amendment. that's not really funny." so i think that none of us know how rod rosenstein said it, what he meant. what i will say about the congressional peace, there aren't two options prayed one option isn't under oath, one is no paper trail. there are ways to get it done with the committee where there is a transcript. that are closed, not open

hearings. we have talked about transparency and the importance of that. there aren't just two options here. i think the house is trying to get a little bit ahead here. i think rosenstein will talk to them, but they were in negotiations and they sort of announce a date. when he didn't show up, they said "he doesn't want to talk to us." i think he probably will. >> harris: kennedy? >> kennedy: it looks like he's hiding something, unfortunately. i would say the same goes for christopher wray. you are right about perjuring himself is seen as giving testimony under oath. in front of these congressional committees. these house committees. because if he says one thing and if he says -- it's one thing to have a conversation with the president and allay his fears by saying "i was just being sarcastic, i would never do anything like that paid that's way too serious. i love you, man." >> harris: and you are on air force one, you can't jump out. >> kennedy: but if he's under oath over those committees and saying that he was just kidding -- the problem is james baker, the attorney for the fbi who had conversations with both lisa page and andrew mccabe

who were there in that meeting, and they both said -- and they have documented -- this is another thing these congressional minis want, they want those documents. that say the tone and the verbiage that rosenstein used when he was talking about wiretapping the president and invoking the 25th amendment with members of his cabinet. >> harris: fascinating. >> melissa: i would focus on the congressional peace, as well. one thing we are losing sight of every time we serve the president into the middle of this is that these are departments that need oversight. the department of justice, the doj -- sorry, the fbi, they have to be accountable to somebody. >> harris: including the doj. >> melissa: they become its rogue force that can become political. >> pete: they became that rogue force recently, which is why it's even more important to have -- speaker and prove that they did. >> marie: if rod rosenstein had concerns, if he was serious,

that he thinks the president is unfit to be president, we should also consider what that might mean. >> harris: what are we to make of the report at the fbi, that there were discussions about wire-wearing? >> pete: i think we should take them seriously. i know this -- anytime i -- >> harris: are we going to call everybody a light in the room? >> pete: i want to introduce a socially unacceptable or untenable idea into a group of my -- >> how do you do it? >> pete: you raise it as a joke. you say "wouldn't it be fun if we all piled on kennedy and called her an idiot customer" >> kennedy: that hurts my feelings! >> pete: that was a terrible example. anything you want to say, you introduce the first is a joke. >> marie: we just don't know. we have no idea. >> melissa: let's talk about context. where do you race jokes? bars, text conversations. usually not formal meetings where you all have sworn to

uphold the constitution. >> harris: that's an excellent point, actually. now it's about judgment. >> pete: we've been talking about judgment for a long time. >> marie: the president's judgment that i agree with pete about the fact that i don't think you will get fired, i don't think sessions will get fired until after. >> pete: yes, not yet. >> marie: i don't think will happen now. but we also have to talk about a situation which the president is appointing people to oversee an investigation into his own campaign. that is a dangerous and tough place for us to be constitutionally in this country. >> pete: this is why i think it will go in until after mueller is done. >> marie: that would be the smartest thing for the president to do. >> harris: people see me grabbing my paper so they know something is coming. news coming up, the president promised this would be fun. inside the oval office, in fact, it is -- the modern music act. you will see some celebrities. i see big and rich over his shoulder, it's a cast and they prayed kid rock, we understand just said some words.

the modern music act takes a look at cooperating music and making sure that money, fees, have been paid to artist's previous to the years of 1970 or so. also on the list, sam moore of sam and dave, craig moore, country music artist as a mention. john rich, jeff skunk baxter of the doobie brothers. i won't sing. the president said this is going to be fun. members of congress, a long list of bipartisan participation there in the room. moments ago, it was the save our seas act. now it is the modern music act. we understand that, separate from the scum of the president will have a lunch with kanye west. we wanted to just show you that this was happening. when connie and the president get together, if we get to see that lives, we will bring it to you as we can. this hour on "outnumbered," stay tuned. meanwhile, the florida panhandle -- brutally battered. the area's most powerful hurricane on record.

continuing coverage here on fox as the storm has moved through the southeast. and, despite his confirmation, democrats are refusing to give up their fight against justice brett kavanaugh. whether that is a good strategy heading into the midterm elections, or not? we will debate it. stay close. >> do you know who determined that the fbi would not interview judge kavanaugh or dr. ford or the list of 40 plus witnesses? ♪

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backing down, even with kavanaugh now on the court. politico is reporting that democrats are still pressing forward with legal challenges to get more kavanaugh documents released. a process that could drag on for years. top white house democrat nancy pelosi filing an official request to get background information related to the fbi's investigation of the assault allegations. senator kamala harris pressing fbi director christopher wray on that yesterday. watch. >> was your direction limited in scope, or were you given full direct -- discussion? >> our supplemental update to the previous background investigation was limited in scope, and that is consistent with the standard process. >> do you know who determined that the fbi would not interview judge kavanaugh or dr. ford or the list of 40 plus witnesses? >> again, i would say what i said at the beginning, which is -- as a standard, the investigation was very specific in scope, limited in scope, and

that is the usual process. >> melissa: marie, i wonder if democrats feel like this is a good issue. i don't necessarily believe in polling, but when you believe in the direction of the polls, when he comes them all together, it seems like it has, in mitch mcconnell's words, awoken a sleeping giant and fired up republicans. democrats were already fired him, they didn't need firing at. to think it's a good issue for them? >> marie: i do in many places. first, the republican party has traditionally been underwater with female voters across the board. we have seen polling since the kavanaugh confirmation that they have lost even more points with female voters. in the house, the places democrats need to win to take back control tend to be suburban districts, districts that hillary clinton won. they have a lot of women, particularly independent women who have been very unhappy with the trump administration. i think in the house it will help democrats. the senate, the map and the math is a lot tougher. these are red states, places that donald trump one. in the senate it probably helps

republicans. we will see how much this republican unity lasts for the next 26 days. a lot can happen in those 26 days. i think right now it is a little hard to predict. but that is my general take on it. >> harris: when you look at the games that republicans are making in places like arizona, which we thought "with that of your being -- with that any dee contentious customer" and it has been. all of a sudden you see a martha mcsally pull ahead and use that in several states. sometimes by double digits in favor of the g.o.p. it would appear that that cohesion you talk about that has to happen for might have some scene behind it. my question for you, marie, what difference does it make follies of the races? is in that all north dakota and heidi heitkamp and what the g.o.p. does this morning customer care going after that potential when, democrats -- it's a last stand, if you will,

with north dakota. she is in big trouble, heidi hi heitkamp. >> marie: she is a fighter. in 2012 they had her down a double digits. and she won. for democrats, harris, it would be bigger than the issue. but it is two years. >> harris: it's only about that and that one race? >> marie: it's two years of women feeling like donald trump says nasty things about the next one of them. it's going to be bigger than that issue. this two years of women being really angry at a republican party base that they feel like has left them behind. >> melissa: that's a lot of what we heard before this last election, that women are going to turn up for hillary clinton prayed then they were all those women who went into the booth and did the opposite. they didn't want to necessarily talk about it in front of other people, that maybe they look at the kavanaugh thing and they see their sons, their husbands, their brother. possibly being railroaded if they don't believe that the attack actually went on the way that it was described. maybe they hear that women are

angry, and they say "i'm not angry, my family is doing better." >> kennedy: that's a good point, and if you have sons come a lot of moms are having this conversation now. it's a tough time to have boys and girls for different reasons in regards to this conversation. a lot of women feel very protective, and a lot of women don't buy into the notion that there is a special place in hell if you don't necessarily vote for a candidate based on gender. they want to see more from the democratic party, because the problem is when you've got a base that is so fired up, if you keep throwing gasoline on that fire, at some point the explosion is going to burn out. i think you could see some after burn here. the one thing i will say about this whole mob mentality, it's good for both sides. it does fire up democrats but at the same time it terrifies republicans and even the president taps into that fear. in the op-ed that he wrote about health care, and seniors losing choices.

stoking those fears. >> melissa: we will see. let's bring it back. kanye west visiting the white house today to discuss issues including chicago's epidemic of violence. we are expected to see some of that. we will bring it to you when it happens. a cnn panel mocking west's visi visit. there is some pretty incendiary language, reaction from the couch coming up. >> he is the token negro of the trump administration can parade this is ridiculous. nobody should be taking kanye west seriously. ♪

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west. they claimant that he is being used as a prop. he was the object of several racial attacks in a cnn segment given it. he was accused of being an illiterate token whom black people want no part of. watch. >> kanye west is what happens when negroes don't read. we have this now, and trump is going to use it and pervert it. look at that guy. [laughs] whoa, okay! [laughs] >> that is a reference by the way. he's all the sudden the model spokesperson. he is the token negro of the trump in administration. this is ridiculous. nobody should be taking kanye west seriously. >> harris: there is a lot being racially wrong they are. they were making fun of the guy on the right not being african-american pair that was the train going off the tracks. >> marie: i find it interesting that when liberal celebrities speak out, the right

criticizes those celebrities. then when this liberties on the right speak outcome of the left criticizes them. i think we are very much playing team sports when it comes to which liberties we think should be able to speak publicly. so, i think as we look at what these celebrities do, we need to keep that in mind. myself included. i also don't think a lot of the things that kanye says make a lot of sense from a policy perspective. i give him absolutely the right to be able to speak out. he's a citizen, he is a voter. i don't think a lot of the things he says are accurate. i do agree that issues like prison reform in criminal justice reform are exceedingly important, and they need to be brought up at the highest level of this government. so he could do something to get donald trump interested in that, more power to him for it i'm just not convinced that he is actually doing that from a serious perspective. but, hey, i'm willing to give them a shot. >> harris: let me ask at a different way. when his wife went to the white house, and she's not african-american, and got prisoner form talked about, why didn't these -- and i'm going to

call them liberal media people, not necessarily journalists, when you see them laughing. laughing at the incendiary comments like "token" and so on and so forth being talked about a black musician. they didn't call kim kardashian that. >> pete: no, because i don't think -- she was not a threat to a big part of their voting block. kanye west is not a policy guide. he is a cultural -- he is culturally critiquing the group-think of his community, the way he sees it. saying "it's okay to be a freethinker. you are not racist, you are not antiblack, you are not this if you put on a maga hat." i think what he said after saturday night live is one of the most telling things. he said "people tell me to take my hat off, but when i put it on i put my superman keep on. they tell him and free. they tell me i'm racist, but i don't have to be democrat. i don't have to be a liberal. i come as a black man, get to be whoever i am. i'm an individual, not a racial identity. i'm an american first." that's a huge point.

the democratic party has become a liberal policies have not been good for the black community for a long time. i think that's a bigger critique he's mating and that's why they hate them for it. i know that at cnn she's republican. she's a friend of mine. but she doesn't like trump. >> harris: with all respect, i'm probably going to embarrass kennedy by saying this, but as i have got to know that her i'veo know that popeye come back on even more. as marie said, you don't share your political views until it's your job to do so. i'm curious, as you look at somebody like a kanye west, kennedy, does his voice matter? >> kennedy: it does. you see the degree of pushback, it shows how much it matters. to your point, how big of a threat it is. to marie's point, if jeff sessions were actually attorney general and he were in charge of having these discussions, would be having these discussions. he would be rescinding more memos from the obama administration was to be one of the only helpful things that

eric holder and president obama did with that justice department. he would be talking about civil assets forfeiture in the wrong way. the fact that kanye west is articulating something that is so critically important, preventing gang violence and reducing violence in chicago, in addition to criminal justice reform, and even bringing back manufacturing. that is a practical -- it may be -- >> harris: those are democrat talking points, which is what you're saying. >> kennedy: they shouldn't just be democrat or republican talking points. many talk about criminal justice are formed from it so incredibly necessary that it's kind of funny we are at this absurd point that kanye west and kim kardashian are leading that conversation. i don't know what it says about us. >> harris: first it was hiller clinton saying that democrats cannot be civil to republicans. now eric holder -- you just said his name. at with his own fighting words, no kidding! the reaction from the president and whether we can get back to any civility in politics. ilstay with us and cholesterol. but they might not be enough to protect my heart. adding bayer aspirin can further reduce

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♪ >> he better be careful what he's wishing for. that, i can tell you. he better be careful what he is wishing for. that's a disgusting statement for him to make. for him to make a statement like that is a very dangerous statement. you know, they talk about us. we are exactly opposite. >> marie: that was president trump blasting eric

holder after president obama's attorney general said this to democratic volunteers in georgi georgia. >> he says that -- you know, when they go low, we go high? no. no. when they go low, we kick -- [laughter] i say we kick them, i don't mean we do anything inappropriate. we don't do anything illegal. but we've got to be tough. >> marie: holder's remarks came after hillary clinton said that the democrats cannot be civil with the republicans. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. that is why i believe, if we are fortunate enough to win back the house and/or the senate, that is when civility can start again. until then, the only thing that republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength. >> marie: but hear his fellow democrat senator heidi heitkamp,

who is fighting for her political life in deep red north dakota. she responded to hillary's remarks. take a watch. >> that is ridiculous. i can't imagine how you get anything done if you don't bring civility back into politics. that goes for both sides. that ratchet down the rhetoric. >> marie: okay, pete. for a lot of democrats, i think my party has struggled with how to respond to president trump being willing to say anything, being very aggressive, being willing to sort of get rid of what he calls "pc rhetoric" and take it to the mat. with its document paid for legal fees, protesters as rallies, being very aggressive. some of the rhetoric from democrats, i think, is sort of trying to respond to that. not only doing it very artfully. what do you make of this point we are at in politics right now? >> pete: is a struggle, i say unhinged. many elements, especially the far left of your party, are unhinged and triggered every single day by trump. the ends justify the means. it becomes part of the mantra.

whatever it takes. it's so telling about hillary clinton statement. civility will return once we are in charge. when we are in charge, everyone should get along. i think the word civility is very overused and very overrate overrated. usually is a term for capitulation. bipartisanship. it's like "what's were to give it." but what if we are doing things that i don't believe in i don't want us to mark their narrow polices were civility and partnership and bipartisanship works. usually in politics, whoever can make the best argument and motivate the most people wins. then they get to pick things like sipping court justices. if you lose, you don't. there is so much revisionism in the hatred toward trump about "how did we not win customer keys not legitimate." that i think it clouds the judgment of otherwise reasonable people that can have a conversation. civility as an end just means we are talking little bit and i seem heather? >> marie: it feels like both parties will say anything they could do to interact operate how do we fix the politics and make it better? drifter wait for the midterms?

>> melissa: i don't think it would be at or after the midterm. i think we have reach the fever pitch. a lot of this is out of frustration of people feeling disenfranchised on both sides paid on the right, people feel like "if i don't like the outcome of your policies, if i don't like the divide between rich and poor getting bigger, if i don't like slow economic growth, i am automatically races. i'm automatically a bad person." that's a people on the right field. people on the left feel totally disenfranchised. they are having a really hard time finding their place in making any sort of a change. all of that anger and hostility is butting up against each other. i don't know what the solution is, because it has gotten really ugly and tough. toxic. >> harris: i actually don't mind the vitriol driving people to the polls. because not enough people in this country vote. on either side of the political line. but when you mix in potential violence and attacks, and language that is more incendiary than it should be to motivate

people if that is in fact your motive, i think it's dangerous. it is also unimaginative. i give the american public more credit, that they actually are able to take in the topics and the things that are important to them without us riling them up. i say us as a public, as a politics, without being all riled up about it. >> marie: amen. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. stay tuned fact is, there have been twenty-six in the last decade. allstate is adapting. with drones to assess home damage sooner. and if a flying object damages your car, you can snap a photo and get your claim processed in hours, not days. plus, allstate can pay your claim in minutes. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

>> melissa: all right, thanks, ph. kennedy, we are about to see kanye west at the white house with the hat on. >> kennedy: it's been the question all day. he is in fact wearing the red hat. >> harris: thank you, pete, marie, we are back here on the house to my couch. now harris. >> harris: hurricane michael, tropical storm hitting the carolinas. two people dead, killed in florida and georgia as that storm was bearing down. i'm harris faulkner. hurricane michael, the most powerful storm to hit the florida panhandle in modern history. the damage being described as catastrophic. crews are scouring for any victims who may be trapped in the debris. the head of fema here. >>