to scores of funerals. it became personal for me and it's been personal ever since. >> martha: that is our story on this thursday night. let us know what you think. tweet me at martha maccallum, using #forstory. trevor carlson takes over now from washington, d.c. ♪ >> tucker: well, good evening, welcome to tucker karlton sont. there was an unexpected and kind of amazing moment at the white house today. kanye west, the rapper, showed up in the oval office. and proceeded to give what amounted to effectively a campaign speech sitting directly across from the president of the united states and pounding on the presidential desk. you've likely seen pictures of what happened everywhere. the scene may have confused you. you might have corn cluedted it was a publicity stunt staged by famous people to become more

famous. you may have found yourself mupterring about the celebrities centered focus of the public discourse. felt sad knowing that the dignified country you grew up in is gone for good. you can be for given for reaching those conclusions. they're not the whole story of what happened. believe it or not, kanye west had genuinely interesting things this afternoon to say. things we ought to be talking about in public but are not. probably destroy his career for saying them, certainly will be despised by many of his former friends. before any of that happens, let's consider what he actually said. we'll go with the most offensive things first. here they are. >> yeah, people effect that if you're black you have to be democrat. i have, i have conversation that is basically, said, that welfare is the reason why a lot of black people end up being democrats. they say, first of all, it is a limit to a amount of jobs. the fathers lose the jobs and they say we'll get you more money for having more kids in

your home. i think it's the bravery that helps you beat the game called life. they try to scare me to not wear this hat. my own friends. this hat gives me, it gives me power in a way. you know, my dad, and my mom, separated. so i can't have a lot of male energy in my home. you know, i love hillary, i love everyone, right? but the campaign, with her, didn't make me feel as a guy didn't get to see my dad all the time, like a guy that could flay catch with his son. >> tucker: me didn't make me feel like a guy who could play catch with his son. west didn't explain what he meant by that, and yet at the very tame time couldn't have put it more precisely or poignantly. he grew up in a party whose policies have says me matically 'droid -- systematically destroyed the american family. didn't have a lot of male in my home.

millions of kids know what he's talking about. the democratic party won't acknowledge the kids or their loss. to party leaders fathers in the home are at best irrelevant, at worse the impediment to political power. married women tend to vote republican and they know that. when prominent democrats attack the pay tree ar can i, they're attacking fathers. when they wage war on toxic masculinity, they're trying to suppress masculinity itself. few are brave enough to say it outloud, west did and then kept going. watch this. >> so, one of the moves that i love that liberals try to do, the liberal would try to control a black person through the concept of racism, they know we're very proud, emotional people. when i said i like trump, to some one that's liberal, they'll say but he's race interest. you think racism could control me? oh, that don't stop me, that's an invisible wall. >> tucker: you think racism can control me, it's an invisible

wall. the reporters looking on seemed stunned, even betrayed. and then just to rub it in, west went on to defend the bill of rights, watch. >> what about gun violence with the debate about the second amendment? >> the problem is illegal guns, not legal guns. we have the right to bear arms. >> tucker: what do we make of all of this? from watching can you tell that kanye west is an eccentric guy, he meanders, he talks like some one who has never had to filter his thoughts. probably never did do. much like some one else who comes to mind me may be precisely crazy enough to think for himself a valuable quality right now. no consultant advised him to say any of that, nobody controls him. sometimes he doesn't control himself. but listen carefully to what he said. sprinkled throughout the ramblings are flashes of truth. real insights into the way the world actually race they are than the way they tell us it is.

nobody else is allowed to talk this way. go ahead and try it at work, you'll get fired. west doesn't care. that makes him dangerous to a system that's based almost entirely on piety and lying. if you're benefitting from the system like that kanye west must be crushed. the math of it, the democratic presidential candidates, needs to get almost the entire black vote to win a national election. that's not easy to do. in order to do it, democrats pit americans against each other based on ethnicity. you can't support them, they're the wrong color. you hear that all the time, the essential democratic argument. it's destructive but for democrats i may not be working. trump's approval rating with hispanic voters is 41%, larger than college educated white voters. if anything like that happened among african-american voters the game would be over. so that can't happen.

kanye west must be destroyed. so the thought police swooped in almost immediately to arrest this disobedient artist and declare him incompetent. >> wow. okay, i'm doing this for everybody who's watching, who turned their volume down. you can put it back up again. >> if you think you're going to get a thoughtful play-by-play and political analysis you are not. that was an assault on our white house. >> a combination of stream of consciousness, i felt like i was sitting in on a psychiatric visit, and a commercial for donald trump. >> what i saw was a minstrel show. him embarrassing himself and embarrassing americans but mostly african-americans. >> tucker: shut up, kanye, you're crazy. keep in mind this coming from the same people who believe hillary clinton is entirely well. indeed a serious person. they hope this works, this crazy stuff, and that you believe them

n case you don't, they wanted to remind you that kanye west is a race trader as don mem on said, who has a low i.q. here was cnn tuesday night. >> kanye west is what happens when negros don't read. and we have this, now, and now donald trump is going to use it and pervert it. he's going to have somebody to stand with him and take pictures. >> kanye, he put on a maga hat, attention whore like the president, he's the model spokesperson, he's the token negro of the trump administration? >> tucker: you got that? he can't read because he's the "n" word. that's what the liberals on a liberal cable channel are now telling you. they have no choice. they are terrified you will listen to what kanye west is saying that's not allowed. jay con echols is professor of african-american studies, followed kanye west for years, he joins us tonight. is it okay to say that you're the "n" word and you can't read?

is that, i don't even know -- is that allowed? >> he didn't say that he couldn't read, he said that he doesn't read. >> tucker: he's dumb, he's the "n" word. which i'll not use. >> he did not call him the "n" word. >> he did. >> he said negro, that's an antiquated term but not the "n" word. >> tucker: if there was a meeting of black leaders with anybody and you said something like that which i would never do -- >> i sure hope not. >> tucker: i never would. if you did say something like that, you'd lose your job so fast it would make your head spin. >> again -- >> tucker: what is this. you know what's going on. kanye west, i don't know anything about kanye west, you do. >> i do. >> tucker: i'm not an expert. but i know you should be allowed to have an opinion different from the mob's opinion. the group think, clearly, the mob on cable news, it's okay to have a different view, it's all right with one guy disagrees. they use racial epithets and call them stupid and crazy? >> number one, in terms of calling people stupid and crazy, that's something that the president has done several times

to a lot of african-americans. >> tucker: are we for that now? hold on, like -- >> the exact same thing. >> tucker: i thought we were against that. they're attacking him on the basis of his race he's deviating from the group. >> but, tucker, call it out from your president. kanye west, you know -- >> tucker: what's the president got to do with it? don lemon -- >> don lemon, come o. >> tucker: is that okay? i guess that's what, i don't think it's okay. when anybody does it, i don't care who color or party. >> my view on kanye, i have lots of sympathy and empathy, we have a lot in common. we lost our mothers around the same time. i know that's a stabilizing force in your family. and how, i think he does suffer from some mental illness as he was diagnosed with by polar, even though he tried to unbuying knows himself. >> tucker: hold on, i thought we were -- >> what he said was incoherent.

that's what people are pointing out. >> tucker: i agree, but some were totally coherent. the democratic parties policies have wrecked the black family. >> incorrect. >> tucker: look, there's a lot of social scientists, we can have a separate -- that's an actual position that people who study for the course of their life times believe, that's not a crazy perspective. a lot of people think. that i'm not crazy, i think that. >> you are not. >> tucker: why is it over the line when he says that a lot of people are disappointed, i think. >> tucker: why? >> they're disappointed, kanye held certain position early on in his career, that he was, almost like a folk hero in the african-american community. >> tucker: i remember. >> particularly in the hip-hop community. >> tucker: he called george w. bush racist. you are allowed to change your views. i've changed my views on almost, america has changed. don't we want that? i don't care about kanye west and i don't care about the political party, what i care is the freedom to think for yourself and tellted truth's a

you see it. >> he has. >> tucker: why are we attacking him for that? >> you on this show every night, as you have said, i have the right to have an opinion upon people that voice their opinions. >> tucker: i totally agree, but we're attacking this guy as crazy. >> you're wrong. >> tucker: an n word who can't read, stupid, he's a traitor to his race, he has a view that's different from the majority. that's a fascist position. we should encourage people to think for themselves. >> no, we absolutely should. what they're trying to say and i think what they meant by him not reading, not that he couldn't read but that him not reading, is that he didn't have an understanding of some of the things that he talks about. he doesn't -- he hasn't actually read the thoughts he's trying to approve. >> tucker: instead of saying here's the information that welfare hasn't hurt the black family, it strengthened it. no, you're crazy, you can't have an honest conversation. >> some of the things that he said, you know, when he talked

about welfare today. he talked about you know, things that hadn't been in place since -- >> tucker: he's not a policy expert. i don't know, it's just a weird -- >> you don't get more money for having more children. that's been phased out by bill clinton. he's still stating it, he is not up on the issues. >> tucker: there's one issue, you have a famous person who's not a policy expert. he thizing for himself. >> the president brings him in to talk policy, that's troubling. bring in some guys who know. >> tucker: he brought him in to show how intolerant the left it, he succeeded. >> i love kanye, i want him to actually get himself together. >> tucker: we have to go, bus -- thank you, professor. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: the rage against kanye west wasn't just on television, it was all over twitter. they said kanye west is how people who benefit from the system of white supremacy like to see black men glovling, butt

dancing -- i can't read that, it's crap and mean. some one else called san ual said, kanye is that one black friend every white racist has -- it's too nasty, i'll go right to christopher harris, executive director of unhyphenated america. i want to be clear, i've never met kanye west, i never will. it's too mean to attack the guy because he agrees with you, on, like, that personal a basis that you are a traitor to your race? who talks like that? >> the left talks like that, tucker. you look at donna brazil, one of those nasty tweets, tweeted out that kanye west set black folk back 125 years. one individual who has an opinion that's different from the black collective is going to set black folks back into the slavery years? they're expecting any moment plantations are going to pop up, all over america. but you know, if that were to happen it would be democrats trying to put is back on the plantation they owned.

>> tucker: does it help anybody, individuals or large group of people, when you tell them you aren't allowed to think for yourself, you have to take orders, anyone who has a different thought should be punished? i mean, it's hard to succeed in life if you aren't having independent thoughts, isn't it? maybe it's not. >> well, absolutely. and the left is anything, if nothing about not hypocritical. jump out to hollywood, talk about alyssa milano. she talked about having a mental illness. what's the difference between alyssa milano and kanye west? well, one, she's a d-list actress and kanye is a musical genius and hip-hop superstar. but they both have a mental illness. are we, is it okay to attack people for having a mental illness if they hate donald trump? i mean, is that -- >> tucker: i don't know. look, i'm not a shrink, i can't assess. he seems like an eccentric guy to me, but that's not the point. shouldn't you assess what people say on their own terms f i make a claim and you attack my family you aren't addressing the claim.

>> that's what happens with the left. they don't have an a leg to stand on. what kanye is talking about, regardless of the color of your skin, things are better for people in america. people of differenteth is inities are more frickly free than they were before. ask yourself, what can you not do today in america as a black person that you could do when obama was president? nothing. in fact, there's more black businesses starting, people, their families are strengthened, people go around and talk, like things are getting better. i want to point out one thing, did you notice that they had jim brown in there, right next to kanye west? but you notice, they're too scared to talk about jim brown. they'll try to go after kanye west. >> tucker: yeah, i'm just for freedom of thought, that's it. independent of any individual. christopher, thank you. nice to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: amazingly, we're less than four week is a way from election day. are we taking a close look at the candidates and the country's closest races.

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who supports amnesty for illegal aliens and robust border security. there is growing evidence she is not a moderate. in 2006sinema declared that illegal aliens who die sneaking into the country are equivalent to americans dieing in the iraq war. to say immigration is not a war or equal in magnitude to wary believe dishonors those who died in the country and others asking my grants. the deaths that people suffer in the mexico arizona desert are the same as the deaths that people suffer in the iraq desert. they are needless, senseless deaths. that's not a mainstream position even now in the middle of the revolution we're going through. three years after she said that, simenema described it this way, i oppose all immigration laws f you think that foreigners breaking your country's laws are every bit as good as the citizens dieing to defend them, it's possible you may have a problem with your own people,

your own countrymen, the citizens of your nation. sinema seems to have a problem with them, here she is in 2011. >> people go into arizona and say they're super crazy. it is something in the water? the water is fine, it's from colorado. [laughing] there's nothing wrong with the water. they just, they're called republicans. >> tucker: charlie herd is the opinion editor at washington times, very smart man, joins us tonight. charlie, things have changed so much that this is not disqualifying saying that the deaths of illegal aliens in the desert, trying to break our laws, are morally equivalent to the sol jess fighting in iraq. three years ago it would have been over. does this hurt her, do you think? >> i certainly hope it does. you raise a good point. what we've seen, you know, everybody talks about this, what the tea party has done to the republic can party. i think there was healthy stuff, forcing republicans to get back to some of their principles. but my goodness, what we're

seeing happen to the democratic party, once legitimate party that we relied on to keep the republicans honest, or the supposedly conservative party honest. and to challenge them. they're getting dragged so far out of the left off the cliff, that i don't know, that certainly would not hurt her in a democratic primary in any way whatsoever. i do think that it might hurt her in a emelection. i mean, a lot of what she said there, it's kind of hard not to conclude that she hates america f you hate or borders and you hate our laws enforcing our borders, then you kind of by definition hate america. and that seems to be the campaign she's running on. and then especially, if you think about, running against somebody like martha mcsally, at the least served her country. >> tucker: career military officer. >> made a joke of the fact that sinema brag about having 100

pair of shoes, and mccally brags about 100 combat misses. whether you agree with the foreign wars or not, and i have a problem with them, i think that you to compare the sacrifices that our men and women made following the orders of the military, to illegals crossing the border, and tie-dyeing trying to break our laws and get into the country, is astonishing. >> tucker: shows you how much arizona has changed because of immigration that she has this. charlie herd, thank you, hope you come back. battle over brett kavanaugh is over but the left hasn't moved on. "the view" the tv show that abc keeps on the air, says that no proof is needed to call kavanaugh a racist. this is the opinion of their in-house lawyer. plus saying all immigration laws, opposing them will not encare to you normal people.

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investigate it. today on "the view" some one identified as a legal analyst said when it comes to sexual assault, due process plays no role. watch this. >> after 40 years we finally changed the law. we finally said a woman's word is fluff. i've taken many cases to trial with just a woman's kword. -- word. >> every single woman needs to be heard. more often than not women are correct. but, sonny, you are insinuating that evidence doesn't matter. as a lawyer, evidence should always matter. >> it is evidence, testimony. you don't need corroborating evidence. you don't need a rape kit. you don't need with its because oftentimes there's no with its during rape. when you're talking about evidence, testimonial eviden evidence -- >> tucker: allen dershowitz spent decades teaching at harvard law school, he knows about due process, author of the

book "the case against impeaching trump" and joins us tonight. thanks for coming on, professor. >> thank you. >> tucker: you heard specific legal claim that it is now the law in the united states that, and i'm quoting, a woman's word is enough. that's it. is that true? >> technically it is true, the law was changed some years ago, and i think it was a good change, that you don't need corroboration to make a case. so that if a woman, who was raped, immediately goes to the hospital, gets a rape kit, identifies her assailant, knew her assail aren't, her word would be enough. if it's 35 years old, the main with it said no she wasn't there, if there are inconsistencies in the story, obviously, the testimony of the woman, though technically sufficient, would not be enough to convince any reasonable fact finder beyond a reasonable doubt. think of the case today, harvey

weinstein, i consulted briefly on one of the e-mail issues in that case, had the main accusers, accusation against him dismissed today. evidence came out that a detective suppressed that the main accuser told a friend that she had willingly and voluntarily engaged in oral seg with harvey weinstein to be cast in a role, having presumably testified under oath that he forced her to have sex. women would die. they lie for economic reasons. i agree that most women tell the truth but most isn't enough to convict somebody. you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. secretary in this casely sonny is a good lawyer, she is correct. but if you have elements that cast doubt on the word of the woman, then corroboration certainly helps strengthen the case. >> tucker: so you're allowed to doubt a womaned word, that's still legal. is this a sex-selective

question? is it do we believe women more than we believe men? >> first of all not only are you allowed, but if you're on a jury you are obliged to presume the innocence of the defendant which means you cannot presume that the witness is telling the truth. you have to look at the totality of the circumstances. look, we know, we've seen case after case where women have told the truth, and have been assaulted, and men have gotten away with it. but we have seen case after case where women for their own reasons lied, the virginia case, the case -- other cases. case after case. and so, we don't start with the presumption that there's a genetically linked characteristic -- >> tucker: oh, good, we were getting pretty -- you were making me nervous. thanks for clarifying that. >> i appreciate it. >> tucker: thank you. in a case of peak of irony, the obama administration had a

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>> tucker: a report from new york magazine reveals that the obama administration had a secret plan in place prior to the 2016 election. they feared that president trump, if he lost, would not accept the results of that election. so the administration plotted with several republicans to, quote, validate the results and ensure an orderly transition of power. they also have another man in case then candidate trump disputed the results. they were going to whip out members of the so-called intelligence community to suggest that russia weighed in on his behalf and make his

claims to victory seem less legitimate. of course in the end he won. but they kept telling that story anyway. russia, russia, russia. the point is they've been planning for that for a long time. mark steyn joins to us assess what this means. great to see you. >> how you doing. >> tucker: the trump campaign wasn't legitimate, putin was running it. this was the story line that was already, like, ready to go before anyone voted. >> yes, i think what they're trying to do here, tucker, is to reverse engineer an explanation as to why the governing party was investigating its political opponent. which is of course classic banana republic stuff. the russia collusion stuff was baked into the pie back in 2016. it isn't going anywhere. so they've now added this new wrinkle to it, which is that they were fearful, that trump,

as the big loser works not accept the results of the election. in fact, i think this is nonsense. they weren't worried about trump losing, they were worried about him winning. the point is, they're trying to construct a narrative that explains why the ruling party, were investigating the opposition. >> tucker: but what would that have looked like? how radical would trump have got wren if he had lost, would he have, say, written a book blaming everyone else but himself? would he have traveled the country for two years giving speeches, again, calling everyone who was against him a race interest and calling the country stupid? would he have gone that far? >> yes, i think he would have worn ill-fitting pantsuits and gone on a tour of montreal, toronto, and oxford university. because that's what -- that's what losing candidates seem to do. in fact, you know, the people who do complain about losing the election are democrats.

if you recall, in 2000, al gore, late at night, called up george w. bush and said he was asking for a recount. and bush said, you mean you're retracting your concession? and al dpoer famously replied there's no need to get snippy. democrats are the ones who have actually contested the results of the election. there's not a lot of evidence that donald trump was doing that. he was just having a joke, as is his wont. what's disturb informing me, this is another sign of totalitarian society, when trump makes an obvious joke like, hey, vladimir putin, if you're watching maybe you could cough up those e-mails of hillary's you've got. when he makes an obvious joke, intelligence agencies, then say, we need to investigate trump's joke. that's actually what they did behind the iron curtain and it's a bit disturbing that it's now happening on this side of the iron curtain.

>> tucker: whatever they are accusing you of doing is exactly what they're doing themselves. that turns out to be the one true rule about behavior. mark steyn, always great to see you, thank you for explaining that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: oh, final exam, up ahead request you beat our experts at remembering what happened last week? one of the great pairings of all time, after the break. - at athene, we think it's time for the financial world to stop acting week? one of the great pairings of all time, after the break. at rememb last week? one of the great pairings of all time, after the break. we are a different kind of financial company. we are athene, and we are driven to do more.

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[excited talking] >> this work of art is being shredded, they say it adds about 50% to the value. >> that is quite a brilliant thing. >> tucker: that is a prank. but all right. question two. that says something good about both of you, you aren't watching art auctions during the day. you have work to do. in is a multiple choice we. singer taylor swift has become political as you know, urging her fans to vote against tennessee republican marcia blackburn next month. the president responded by saying of swift, one of three things. was it, a, taylor swift is overrated. b, i like her music less now. or, c, lock her up. [buzzer] >> b. he likes her 25% less. >> tucker: i thought it was lock her up. to the tape. >> marcia blackburn is doing a good job in tennessee, i'm sure taylor swift has nothing or doesn't know anything about her.

and let's say that i like taylor's music about 25% less now. >> tucker: all right. >> good effort. >> watching all of this tape finally sunk in. >> tucker: roughly 25% less. question three, also taken from the world of pop culture, kanye west under fire today, for showing all of america his eye phone's pass code on live television. he met with the president in the white house, kanye took out his phone and hit the same number 6 times to unlock it. what very unsecure number was it? [buzzer] bret baier. >> zero. no, i don't know how many zeros, i think it us 000000. >> tucker: all zeros. >> yes. >> tucker: was it all zeros? >> what we want to start with, is, i brought -- wow. >> not exactly secure. >> tucker: the judges say that's enough zeros. we might be looking at the comeback story of the week.

1 to zero. you are back to stasis. >> good egg. >> tucker: which former american president will come to life in the form of a 3-d hologram in washington? kristin. >> reagan. >> tucker: reagan? >> ray began. >> tucker: a hologram at his library. >> every four years almost every republican presidential hopeful invokes the spirit of president reagan. now at his library, that spirit has become a virtual reality. three holograms of president reagan will make their first appearance. >> i'm not sure this connected. you should have holograms in here. >> take more time off. >> tucker: let's get that in our contract. >> have a friday off. >> tucker: final question, this one also multiple choice, frontier airlines, kicked off an orlando woman from one of its

flights after she boarded the mane with a prohibited animal. this multiple choice. what kind of animal was it? was it, a, a python -- >> no, no, no! >> ten yards and the ball. >> tucker: kristin loses a point, it goes to brett. >> could i get the right answer. >> tucker: you could tie it up then we need a tiebreaker. >> are you horribly unfair. >> tucker: those are the rules, like the electoral college, it's in the constitution, you can't change it. brett, did she refuse to fly without, a, a python, b, a squirrel, or, c, a raccoon? >> a squirrel. >> tucker: was it a squirrel? >> a woman was kicked off a flight after bringing an emotional support squirrel on to the plane. frontier airlines only allows dogs or cats. this is unusual.

>> emotional support squirrel. >> tucker: i see it was multiple choice. >> i know, i know. i got excited. >> tucker: we have to go to the tiebreaker. we have the same tiebreaking question, okay? if you watch the show before, you know it. >> i don't. >> tucker: yes you do. here's the tiebreaker. what is the capital of burkina faosso? >> this is yet? >> tucker: >> has anybody gotten it? >> tucker: no. >> i don't know. >> tucker: it is wagadudu. >> i was going to say that. >> tucker: in this rare instance, never before seen -- wait, we have one more question. what is the capital of madagasar? >> madagasar, the capital. >> tucker: yes. >> can you google that?

>> i have two thoughts. >> tucker: our judges are saying no reasonably informed person should have to know either one of those answers. for the first time in the history of the show we have a split decision, we have an actual tie, in which both of you get a medal, both of you claim the victory, both of you go home proud. >> this is quite the my lennial. >> tucker: we only have one mug, but this requires at some point in the next 12 months you have to come back for a rematch. >> we will. >> we'll share a cup of coffee. >> look at this. >> tucker: our news division is so good they can't even beat each other. >> so good we don't know the capital of madagasar. >> tucker: that's it for "final exam." tune in every thursday to see if you can top the experts. not likely butted you can try.

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it disagrees with. the new motion passed unanimously by the city of los angeles requires all contractors of the city to disclose publicly any ties to the nra. the message is clear, we control what you think. steven is a radio show host in the state of california, he joins us. ethan, are you now or have you ever been a member of the nra? have you ever had contact with anyone who has knowingly or unknowingly? before we proceed. >> i have not been a member and i know lots of people who are members of the nra. >> tucker: okay. that shouldn't be allowed. they shouldn't be able to do business with the city of los angeles. which collects tax money from everybody. but only people who conform to certain standards should be able to do business with los angeles, you agree, right? >> i just disclosed mine, i should be able to get a contract with the city. that's all they require is disclosure, in light of the fact that the trump administration issued the rule -- excuse me, pushed the irs the new rule that says dark money is great.

would i think, tucker, you would be behind exposing dark money so we know who is contributing. >> tucker: no, this is a volunteer association. so, for example, i took rifle certification in summer camp about 1978 in the state of california. would that disqualify me? >> no. as long as you disclose it. that's all the city of los angeles is asking. this is a big issue. we have gun crime problems in the united states. obviously, you have talked about it on your show. and the city of los angeles is trying to address this. we, in california, are finding that the nra is doing things like blocking universal background checks, fighting against it. we see that as a reasonable step. this is a way of putting political pressure no, question about it, on groups like the nra. >> tucker: a way of suppressing free speech and punishing free association. could we apply the same rules to the aclu? they have argued on behalf of criminals for hundreds of years, could make the case they have increased the amount of violent

crime in the country, have you ever given money to the aclu. if you have, we are punishing you. is that a fair standard? >> if you are being punished, it's different. >> tucker: how about mandatory disclosure. you give money to planned parenthood? they literally kill people, leading cause much death in america is planned parenthood. mandatory disclosure, if you have given money to planned parenthood, is that fair? >> this becomes fair game. the city of wherever, it does. you're making a logical point, which is, you require. but cities have a long record of this. they do things like, if you want to have a contract with us, 50% of the labor is going to be union labor. >> tucker: i get it. can you do a lot of stuff. you can make everyone wear a viking hat or stand on one foot or whatever. should you, that's the question, should you do this. >> yes, i think in the case of los angeles, and the state of california, takes a very different view, regarding firearm laws.

we have somebody who is about to become governor who has taken a strong stance here, gavin newsom, on these topics. the city of los angeles has been frustrated. the city attorney has fought hard to find where these guns are coming from. >> tucker: anyone who supports the nra, supports the second amendment, is punished? sincerely answer my question, you don't see that as a precedent hah's scary? mccarthyite? everything you hate? >> i don't. i think we're asking people to disclose who they're donating money to. to your point that's fair game. fair game is, i can't wait to talk to you tomorrow on my show, tucker. >> tucker: i can't wait. when we did with it communist, it was the end of the world. it was wrong by the way. great to see you, talk to you tomorrow. >> thank, tucker. >> tucker: thank you again, "ship of fools" number one on the "new york times" best seller list, you did that, we had nothing to do with that. want to say one more time with great and complete sincerity,

that this show wouldn't exist and this book wouldn't be succeeding without your support. thank you very much. for that we appreciate it. we're going to be back tomorrow night, and every week night, going forward, because we are the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and group think. if you think pomposity, smugness, group think and lying aren't omnipresent, join us tomorrow. >> sean: number one "new york times" list, congratulations, we're happy for you. >> tucker: thank you. >> sean: we don't get to do this without the people in this audience. the greatest audience in all of television. >> tucker: yes. >> sean: congratulations, and we're proud of you south carolina. >> tucker: thank you. >> sean: in 26 days, we have mid-term elections. buckle up. the country's fate, not to put pressure on you, it's all in your hands. i have been telling you for months, the single most important mid-term election in our lifetime. democrats, destroy trump media, they have no shame. they're not backing down.

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