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rarely see in mexico. >> and it built quickly. >> that's right. and that storm just slammed a right uppercut to the gut of that part of the state. we are watching all that. good to be with you today. >> good to be with you and welcome back. >> good to be back. we are getting ready for what will be a three week run here towards midterms. gotta run, bye-bye. >> harris: let's begin with breaking news on the president and first lady on the ground. this is going to airbase in florida and we understand now that the president is already on marine one, where he will just be taking a tour for the first time now and getting to see some of what we probably have not seen. he's on his way to tour the damage and recovery efforts after hurricane michael. something like this that you only see once in a lifetime because while we have had a horrendous storms, sure, a category four in the panhandle of florida in recent history has never happened. the president is taking an
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aerial tour of the hardest hit areas in florida and georgia today. the death toll is at 19, just reporting last hour in america's newsroom, and that number continues to grow. crews are searching through the debris particularly in mexico beach florida and other areas that were flattened by the storm. you see marine one in the middle of the screen right now, that's a president of the united states touring above hardest hit areas in florida. again, the death toll is in the double digits this morning at 19 at least. and as they go through the debris, they have a list of dozens of missing people. dozens of people unaccounted for, particularly in this area of mexico beach. we are hoping and praying across this area that they find those people alive, but they are looking at in such a way as a rescue effort for those who might be trapped. the president is there now.
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he is back on the ground, we will bring it to you live. fox news alert, president trump vowing to get to the bottom of what happened to a missing saudi columnist among a growing international uproar. the king of saudi arabia has denied any involvement in the disappearance to president trump, and the u.s. secretary of state is getting personally involved. details on that coming up. you are watching "outnumbered" and i'm harris faulkner. melissa francis, adrienne elrod, a host of "kennedy" on the fox business network, kennedy herself, and in the center seat, ready to go, judge andrew napolitano. he is "outnumbered." i know our joy is tempered this morning as we see what happened in florida, but we have so much news to get to. a short time ago, president trump weighed in on the growing investigation involving a "washington post" columnist.
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last seen entering the saudi consulate in istanbul, turkey, about two weeks ago. turkish officials claim to have images and audio which they say proves he was killed there. now president trump today says he is sending secretary of state mike pompeo to meet directly with the saudi king. i'm pausing for just a moment because i'm just learning in my ear that the secretary of state has just left. so he's on his way to meet the saudi king right now. earlier today president trump spoke to the king by phone and the president says he denies any knowledge of the columnist's disappearance. >> president trump: i just spoke with the king of saudi arabia saudi arabia who denies any knowledge of what took place with regard to, as he said, his saudi arabian citizen. the king firmly denies any knowledge of it. he didn't really know -- i don't want to get into his mind, but it sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue
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killers, who knows. we will try getting to the bottom of it very soon. >> harris: meanwhile, senator marco rubio says the united states may need to back off of an armed field with saudi arabia if allegations are proven true. >> i don't think we should continue with business as usual and totally know what happened. arms sales are not only important because of money but because it leverages future behavior. they need our parts and our training and those are things we can use to influence their behavior but i would not cut that off the table. >> it is heating up now. we are live in istanbul, turkey, where an investigation is underway. >> high, harris. i can tell you that it feels like we are at the epicenter of a global storm, and everyone trying to learn what happened to joe jamar khashoggi just behind the doors of the consulate you
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see behind me. he went in 13 days ago and no one has seen them since. all the fingers are pointing toward saudi arabia. there is a joint investigation team that has arrived where i am in the last hour, they've gone inside the consulate and they are searching for any evidence of what happened to jamaal khashoggi and any evidence of what happened to him. saudi arabia has been pushing back recently to the critics saying that they may be responsible. saudi arabia saying any action taken against them for this disappearance would be met with harsher actions and saudi yeah suggest that could raise oil prices. just today from the kingdom, we've been hearing a more conciliatory tone. in fact there were some tweets from the embassy saying they extend their appreciation to all for refraining from jumping to conclusions on the ongoing investigation. the saudis continue to
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strenuously deny any involvement and they are asking for further tangible evidence of the murder beyond what cctv in turkey has already released. so far no one has heard those infamous tapes that supposedly prove khashoggi's death. both sides interesting reentering reiterating the same thing, they want to keep relations the same and even improve on them. strange words between rivals at a time of that relationship so fractured. turkey is very reliant on saudi money and, secretary pompeo as you said just departed to meet the king but we've also heard that the treasury secretary steven mnuchin will be visiting saudi arabia later this week for a conference on financing. many businesses have pulled out of that but the treasury secretary is still going. for the moment people are urging caution. the kings are in there trying to
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find out what happened. >> harris: thank you very much. judge, i wanted to come out to you. the president's comments as he was boarding marine one outside the white house today, he said, this didn't happen here, meaning in the united states. we can't find record of that and it's identified as a lawful american resident. his killing actually trigger is un-american jurisdiction, and the killing of an american citizen are a lawful american citizen overseas, and gives americans and prosecutors and federal courts jurisdiction over that. i don't think the president wants to go there. he's basically saying, this didn't happen here, why should we be concerned about it? we should be concerned about it because of khashoggi's status, and when the president says the king doesn't know anything about it, the king is probably telling
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the truth, the president is asking the wrong person. >> harris: but if you watch those comments right before he boarded marine one, it's the crown prince and this king is while reassuring and kind of going back and forth between the two of them, and that matters to i imagine. >> it matters if the crown prince is telling him the truth. if it happened the way the turks say it happened than the crown prince would not know about it because khashoggi is also a saudi citizen harshly critical of the saudi government. there is no way he's going to be assassinated without the highest levels of the saudi government involved. >> harris: can i jump in, because you are assuming the saudis did that and we don't necessarily know that. it is so obvious and there are so many quieter ways of disposing of someone if you wanted to, if you are a saudi assassin, that to do it this way either sense the message, or it isn't what it appears to be.
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i just cautioned because it's so obvious. >> here's the problem with the tapes that the turks say they have. if they obtain those tapes from their own surveillance -- >> they don't want to release it because it shows how they watch people. >> right. they have violated law. now that they have it because of his apple watch, that's a stretch because it would have to be in proximity of him. >> and we don't normally walk around like that. i would say this too though, we don't know what happened in great britain and with the poig yet because it was more clandestine than this. but that's really what did happen in the poisoning of british spy. the reason i asked the judge
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specifically about the comments from the president this morning wasn't to indicate any sort of concern or lack thereof or anything like that, i was just curious legally. but politically, this has meaning, too. >> it does, but i still don't understand why we are allied with saudi arabia and turkey. these are both bad actors who have funded terrorism and worked actively against the united states in their own room. i think it's really bad for the united states to get into some sort of -- this war between both of them. both actors are untrustworthy but the critical thing is you have someone who is potentially an american citizen, and it just like we would demand justice, an american citizen and a journalist who is critical of saudi arabia and some of the new policies and modernizations over there. i really think on behalf of mr. khashoggi, we have tickets to the bottom of what that is. the government is always going to be behind a technology, they
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are never going to understand technology at the rate in which it develops. i would like to hear from someone from apple about what this watch is capable of doing because -- they probably have all sorts of equipment inside every embassy. >> i want to get to this really quickly because it's our first opportunity to see secretary of state mike pompeo leaving to meet the saudi king on a trip he's taking in that region. at the heart of the politics of this that i was alluding to, is that arms deal that we want to deal, our government wants to do with saudi arabia. in the president describes it as an arms field, and he doesn't want to hit the pause button on that. he says, if this american citizen journalist was killed inside that consulate, then there are other ways to deal with that. what do you think?
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>> first of all, i don't understand why president trump didn't come out immediately and strongly contend of the actions. we should absolutely hit pause on this and secondly this is what the president has done many times. when he feels he has an adversary that he's trying to cozy up to, he doesn't want to condemn not publicly. >> but he did condemn the action. we don't know for sure what happened and i would say that khashoggi has also been really critical of the iranians, that we have -- the saudis are -- they are among the gulf nations who have together tried to be moderate arrows in the fight against radical islam, and we have seen them -- the fifth and talked about sending messages to radical islam through egypt. they are trying to find a coalition that is more moderate that can help with the various
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crises we are having around the world. i don't know if you want to jump to before we know what happened that, yes, if they are the ones that did it then absolutely. but make sure we take a breath and -- >> we can't trust turkey and we can't trust saudi arabia. >> i don't -- the united states relationship with turkey was better than it was two days ago. of course, we got our american tax reform and that is an amazing thing. >> judge napolitano: and the heads of states order killings as president obama did with anwar al-awlaki, an american citizen, and his son. >> you mean the drone? >> yes. that's a question that no one wants to answer. >> or apparently even ask. >> we will come back to this. resident trump is raising eyebrows and a new interview saying he does not trust everyone at the white house.
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>> harris: that there are 22 days until the critical midterm and president elections and president trump is front and center. the president is sending for a wide-ranging and time contentious interview >> there has been no administration in the history of our country, and i say this openly and proudly -s not even that. >> it's a fact that nobody has been able to do what i've been able to do. remember that. we are looking at making deals with other countries, nobody has been able to do anything like this. actually most people didn't even
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try. >> harris: this all comes as a recent poll shows enthusiasm among rep voters is up with 77% of all voters saying they are absolutely certain to vote or vote early. 81% democrats and 79% republicans and another poll shows that president trump's job approval is on the rise, currently at 31%, up from 36% in august and his disapproval rating is down from 60% in august. judge, do you believe that all those people that said they are absolutely going to vote, are absolutely going to go vote? >> judge napolitano: i absolutely don't believe it but i am aware of the enthusiasm on both sides, in part. and maybe i have blinders here because this is a field that i was intensely interested in, in part in response to the justice kavanaugh hearings. do you think that would dissipate somewhat?
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it's very strongly in support of him and very strongly against him. it's artificially high. >> i guess the question becomes, does it fire up both sides? >> i think since one of the campaign promises of this president is the exact thing that is going to be talked about up until election, versus the other side, the supreme court judge wasn't one of the talking points for democrats. it was supposed to be the economy. while that's tricky because republicans are running on that issue. it was supposed to be health care, we are still waiting for that magic bullet before november 1st and the new enrollment, either side. but i think it does become one of those things that causes intensity for republicans in particular to get to the bowls. >> so what is the democratic
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talking point? >> first of all i will agree with you that judge cavanaugh, his confirmation to the supreme court is something that really motivated the democratic base, no question. they have not been confirmed, and that would have probably motivated the republican base a little bit more. now that king swing vote of suburban women and independents, who did not want to see him on the court. and, it includes those families, health care, taxes, jobs and the economy and education. that's what's driving them. we dig down into these focus groups when you are looking at independent swing voters, they may not turn out in the terms and this is a key block for both parties. they are looking at these issues and saying, i want my health care protected and i'm concerned that having republicans in in the house-see
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and control in the white house that the health care may be in jeopardy. and i'm sure that maybe the economy is doing well but i'm not feeling it at home. i want to see a little bit more of a checks and balance. >> it makes me chuckle a little because i'm an independent woman registered independent, because people always think they know what independent women are thinking. >> i am an unaffiliated voter, and it does come down to the kitchen table issues. not so much the divisiveness that comes from identity politics, and that still where the progressives in the democratic party are concentrated. but republicans have fixed obamacare, and now it has become more unpopular, but unfortunately democrats are so blinded by resistance that they haven't come up with an alternative to the nonalternative except for medicare, which will absolutely blow up the deficit.
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so when you are talking about people who are looking out for their bottom line and talking about irresponsible government spending to the tune of $32 trillion that, in the end, it doesn't necessarily help people, two-thirds of democrats in the house support medicare for all. 66%. >> a lot of democrats are coming in. this is a mainstream issue and a losing one for democrats. >> does a fight with the media help president trump? listen to this. >> president trump: i'm just telling you that you treated me much differently on the subject. >> i disagree but i don't want to have that fight with you. we can have another fight. >> president trump: that's okay leslie because i'm president and you are not. >> i have to say though when you see a president in the situation with the mainstream media that he often eviscerates, taking serious questions and giving serious answers, it only helps him. it makes him look like a warrior
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in the face of those who he knows statistically don't cover him in a positive manner. >> i think it animates both bases. it irritates democrats and reinvigorate its republicans. >> that's what republicans want to see from their presidents, certainly supporters. but if nothing gives the other either side the advantage when everyone is agitated and excited to go out and vote, it just means it's even more of a toss up and we don't know where it's going to land. everyone is certain that they know exactly how their side is going to come out, and the passion benefits them, but that's not necessarily how it ends. >> do we know it's not true? okay. senator elizabeth warren taking a dna test to address questions over her claims of native american heritage. whether this will help and the controversy and what may explain her doing this now. plus lawmakers issuing more subpoenas as they investigate
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find a doctor at botoxcosmetic.com/men >> harris: new developments and the g.o.p. congressional investigation into the justice department's probe at the 2016 trump campaign. an aide to the house judiciary committee said they expect fusion gps cofounder glenn simpson to comply with the subpoena and appear before investigators for a deposition tomorrow. simpson's attorney says his client intends to take the fifth and refused to answer any questions. republicans say simpson's decision not to talk does not surprise them as well. that's because his past testimony apparently contradicts the testimony of top doj official bruce ohr. simpson claims he and ohr never
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met to discuss the dossier. of course his wife nellie worked for gps. john ratcliffe says he understands why simpson would want to take the fifth. >> i'm not surprised that he would want to take the fifth. remember, it's the extraordinary measure of getting the warrant to spy on an american citizen. and if that was done under false pretenses and false information under false pretenses, then that's violating someone's civil liberties under color of law. >> harris: so judge knapp says -- that's affectionate for judge napolitano. there are two sides to this. >> judge napolitano: so the two sides, with top security clearances say that they have seen all the documents that were given to the fisa court and they
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have seen documents that were not given to the pfizer court, and if the court had seen what they saw, no warrant would have been issued and this entire investigation would have never commenced. if they would have persuaded the president to expose it, israeli intelligence must have been involved, british and televisions must have been involved and dissuaded the president from revealing the applications. the other side is, wait a minute, you are in the middle of a criminal investigation and the subject is the president of the united states. you can't disrupt a criminal investigation for political reasons, you have to wait until the criminal investigation is over. i can tell you from my own experience, and it's a bad experience, it's not uncommon to learn that the people who came to you for a search warrant did not tell you everything you wanted to know. >> harris: clearly. >> harris: i'm trying a case and i saved the prosecutor's, where did you get this blood?
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while somebody signed a search warrant to get this to us. well, which judge signed that? three years ago. the consequence of misleading a court can be catastrophic to what the government is trying to accomplish. >> what if that court is secret? what if it operates like the pfizer court does with absolutely no oversight and essentially it's a rubber stamp? >> that's why judges have to not bend over to the other side. is there anything else in your possession that i haven't seen? if they say no and the answer is yes, they have misled the court. >> quick suggestion melissa and i will go right to you. what you and kennedy are talking about is power. in secrecy, we gain so much power. what if the court feel so powerful it doesn't need to ask anymore questions?
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>> secrecy is dangerous to power, it enhances power and to permit the abuse of power which is why i have been condemning this fisa court since it was created. >> look how long and hard journalists and politicians have had to work just to see that pfizer warrant application. >> but can i ask the question, someone is lying about where they began talking about this dossier and shopping it around, and, they are making effort to make it seem like earlier rather than later now that they've been caught in this life. >> if a court is the recipient of a lie, if a lawyer or person affiliated with the court could be an fbi agent, that makes a material misrepresentation of the court. that person's career is in jeopardy. and because of that lie -- i'm
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guess i'm going to focus on the testimony here. i understand why a lot of people would have concerns testifying in front of the judiciary committee and the intelligence committee because so much of what is released these days is cherry picking information. people go in and to testify behind closed doors and some of that testimony ends up getting leaks. that's not conclusive. i can understand why anyone would have interpretation at this current stage testifying, because republicans tend to cherry pick. >> from what we knew about -- have you ever heard adam schiff -- and we advocate for transparency across the board, i
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agree. >> last night's 60 minutes on cbs, she said there were people who work in the west wing that she cannot trust, and the president agreed. watch. >> i feel the same way. i don't trust everybody in the white house, i will be honest with you. >> you go to the meeting, do you have to wonder, is he wearing a wire? >> not so much a wire, i'm usually guarded, but i'm not saying a i trust anybody in the white house. >> if the president is also saying that despite what he called a vicious backstabbing in washington, he feels comfortable there. so, let's discuss judge her office is notoriously leakproof, and you don't hear a lot from her office. >> i do not remember her modern
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era predecessors. let's go back to jimmy carter expressing discomfort and fear working inside their own white house. of course, they might have had presidents where their personality was as strong as his, and i was disappointed to hear his comments about secretary mattis. i think he is beloved by the military and a moderating force in the civilian command of the military, and to suggest that, well, he is a democrat and, he's a great human being, regardless. >> and i couldn't imagine why any president ever does. i mean washington is the tough town, and i think every president that is in there we'll have somebody that they feel suspicious of at one time or another, and, what are the
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people that he has known for more than a decade? omarosa walked up in there and was recording everything. >> it is outrageous. so -- by the way, barack obama is president, notorious for going after people in the white house. >> that's why you don't trust a lot of people to work in the white house around you. people are going to bob woodward and telling goopy gossipy stories. and, again, there were plenty of
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people -- >> i have to get this in. whatever happened to the search for the author of the anonymous "new york times" op-ed? is it one of their friends? >> or did that person just resign? and that could be a hypothetical. i don't know, i'm just wonderin wondering. >> but you don't collude to come because that would be wrong. how do you inspire that kind of buoyancy though. this element is not unique to this presidency. the fact that there are leakers and people you can't trust. >> you inspire loyalty is number one, and if you don't get it then you fire somebody.
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i mean, i can't imagine president obama -- i have a lot of close friends who work for president obama and that west wing, and i can assure you -- if you don't trust your staff, if you don't trust the people who work with you, if you don't have a tight-knit group of people, you get rid of folks bringing new people. >> >> people try to do that all along, try to find the right group of people that will watch your six military style. >> that was the clinton book. >> there have been legal battle lines drawn between the trump administration and chicago over federal funding for the city's law enforcement and the city sanctuary policy. that's all coming up ahead, and we will debate, next. (avo) come with us...
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>> the city of chicago is now suing the trump administration after attorney general jeff sessions moved to block federal funding to some cities by linking the money to immigration enforcement. that color hit sanctuary cities like chicago. here is chicago mayor, rahm emanuel. >> we won't do it, we won't be intimidated by trump and the session's department and twice already the judge has agreed with us and rebuked. >> i'm so glad that i have a lawyer here. b6 i am loathe -- no disrespect but, i'm loath to disagree with rahm emanuel but under the law he is right. so he is.
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the judge, government will give you -- making up numbers, a million dollars to support the board in chicago and the government attaches strings to it. one of the strings as you cooperate with i.c.e. when they come into our town. when the city accepts the money they are required to comply by the strings. this money coming in from obama, last year's budget, and the trump first year budget does not have -- even though republicans control the congress, they you must comply with ice. so when the government on its own says, you can stop sending the money. they commit further crimes so they are coming across the border as a sanctuary city, doesn't that mitigate in some way, whatever rules the money came with? >> if someone commits the crime, we arrest them.
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when an illegal immigrant is released from jail, we are not going to tell ice that we are releasing them because we are not obliged under the law to do some. they are technically correct. why the first year trump budget did not have that requirement and it is beyond me. >> you know what i would say? and i agree with you obviously, especially in matters of immigration. but if i were a citizen of chicago and i were looking at the amount of energy that rahm emanuel was putting into this and the fight, i think i would be a little upset. because although the murder rate has dropped a little bit from 2016 to 2017, it is still more than any other city combined. and they have a real problem here because it seems like a distraction. >> also are all are the liberal democratic mayors of these big city is doing this to frustrate donald trump or because they really think they are doing with
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the people is that a trick question? because i think he's -- he's been told by people not to. i know he has all of his ducks in a row, if he was going to pursue this legally which he is. >> that is sad though because he may have his ducks in a row and he may be thinking about his political future, but for the people in chicago who are terrified and dying, where are they are ducks? >> a comes all down to the decision to -- >> harris: rahm emanuel considered declared tha sanctuary city, and, unfortunately, rahm emanuel has not been able to do that.
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>> i thought politicians could multitask? >> at what point does the population turnaround? and you wonder at what point with the liberal mayors and problems with -- shall we say, livability. >> so is bill de blasio doing this because he hates the president or because he thinks this is what people want? >> >> harris: massachusetts senator elizabeth warren revealing test results about her native american ancestry. does this mean a possible run for the white house in 2,020? we are going to figure it out. there's a lot to love about medicare.
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>> massachusetts senator elizabeth warren making public a dna test that she claims provides evidence of her native american ancestry. this as we get reports that senator warren is reportedly potentially sidestepping the democratic party campaign committee and it seem as a potential launching pad for her 2,020 campaign.
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here is president trump when he was asked about all of this. watch. >> president trump: will senator warren the release and the results of the dna test? who cares. i hope she's running for president because she would be very easy. i do not think she would be difficult at all. she would make our country into venezuela. >> what happened if senator warren officially gets in the race. >> hillary clinton is not running for president again. if that's not very clear. >> it is elizabeth warren, and the question becomes, if she runs, does bernie sanders run? if bernie sanders runs, does she run? of course they both can run, we
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are a big tent party and i think you will see potentially 14 or 15 people run on the democratic party side as far as i'm concerned, and the more people who run, the better. we need to have a real debate about the direction of our party and the direction we want upcountry to go. >> there needs to be a debate not only about the party but do you go moderate and go progressive, or start progressive angle moderate, and how do you do that? also how are you going to take on president trump? they seem to be doing a really bad impression of him so how did they find that authentic message and what do senator warren do to that search? >> i read part of the results and it kind of parses, while she had this relative and it's not quite -- having done a dna test myself, you can find out the exact percentage of something that you are. just with that little spit test. i i don't know why she didn't jt do that and this other weird thing. i think it's funny that the
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president, i felt like, didn't want to go for it on that rope line because he wants to save it. i remember when he had a great nickname for hillary clinton but wouldn't say what it was, and he kind of gets in there. but i think she would be a great candidate and she should definitely run, and it would be amazingly entertaining. >> judge napolitano: she went to the foremost dna authority in the country, a professor at stanford university. and the 1:30 second of her as being native american is very significant under the law, because under the law for you to consider yourself a minority, you must have not less than 1/32 of that blood in you. >> harris: i heard that you can parse it either way though. >> so depending on your party you interpret that it results differently? >> judge napolitano: what melissa is saying, and she's
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probably the only one at the table that brought all of them, but the results are ambiguous. under the law, 1/32 would allow her to under oath be native american. >> when you do read all of it, you do see the imprecise scientific. >> well, we have more "outnumbered" right here in just a moment. stay here if you want to use it to get cash, call newday usa. va loans are all they do. and don't let less than perfect credit hold you back. even if you've been turned down for a va loan by your bank, call newday usa. they've been given automatic authority by the va... they can often help veterans when other lenders won't. by re-financing up to 100 percent of your home's value, you could take out 54,000 dollars or more.
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>> melissa: thank you to judge napolitano, always in the center for a good laugh. >> andrew: kennedy and i are in collusion in collusion. a speech to be very careful with that word, it can get you in a lot of trouble. you give us such a fight, we love it. we are back here at noon eastern, here's harris. >> harris: the president of the united states is on the move, he's in florida. we are given kind of a moment by moment at itinerary while he's on the ground. as we see the president live, that's marine one in florida and we learn more about his schedule, we will bring it to you. the images on the left are when he first arrived, that's air force one, obviously. he has been in the air for about 35 minutes or so, he may just a couple of comments and boarded that marine one and we
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