i would have liked to have seen the yankees play the dodgers, that could have been good for the game. it could be boston or l.a. >> is this where we are ending their show today? >> i don't know. we will see you earlier than this time tomorrow, "outnumbered" starts right now. >> harris: secretary mike pompeo meeting with the saudi king amid the growing international controversy over the disappearance and alleged killing of a columnist in istanbul, turkey. this is "outnumbered" and i'm harris faulkner. here today is fox news contributor lisa boothe, nasa qatar love, and it joining us on the couch for the very first time, republican senator ben sasse of nebraska. he is the author of the new book "them. why we hate each other and how to heal."

is it a long book because it feels like we have a lot to do. >> it would take that much to see if you really have the solution to this problem. >> that's a good idea. >> a big challenge. >> glad to have you. >> new reports, the saudi government may claim that rogue intelligence operatives accidentally killed the columnist, jamaal khashoggi. fox news has not been made aware of any pending report from the saudis. meanwhile saudi government is conducting an investigation into turkish police are planning a second search of the saudi consulate. the family of the missing columnist released a statement writing "the strongly moral and legal responsibility that our father instilled in us obliges us to call for an international

commission to inquire into the circumstances of his death. there are growing calls on capitol hill to take action against saudi arabia. republican earn senate arms to the committee says the saudi prince is to blame. >> he's in saudi arabia without mbs doing knowing it. he is a wrecking ball and had this guy murdered in a consulate in turkey and, to expect me to ignore it, i feel used and abused. there are lots of good people you could choose but mbs has tainted his country and tainted himself. >> anything that reminds us of what a lot of the countries in the middle east are like, however this came down, and it may be why the israelis are our natural ally that we share common value. >> not just for historical

reasons but they are also people that believe in the universal dignity of people. right now, it's evidence that the saudis have a lot to explain in this attempts to create new cover story over new cover story. you don't have a bone saw at an embassy abroad unless you have big problems going on in your government. >> good i just ask you about the difference in tone if you will come up between some of the people in your party like senator graham and of the president? it took a pause for him to engage on this but, he has, as secretary of state. >> if the president has some great people around him. i'm glad the secretary is headed over there. i hope the president is listening to people in the intelligence community, again, a number of great patriots of the president has put in place. last time i saw a classified intel on this was heading into the weekend. i might flip up and say this

here in public. but they have a lot to answer for. >> this is one of the things that makes this so dicey, beyond the human tragedy, and the reason why we became allies with the saudis, because every time a great distance from them it benefits the iranians and that's another thing that you have to keep in mind. >> that's a very good way to summarize it. when you look at the middle east, there is a bunch of emanating from a bunch of different spots. but the two poles tend to be iranian and saudi. iran's goal -- so it is the proxy battle going on here. iran sows discord among all of their near neighbors. saudis have gotten lots wrong over the years but they've started to get little bits and pieces aligned with us and israel lately, and now they have

this. >> harris: what do they do with their friends anyway? >> the saudi family is big and complicated and messy. you think it will be an orderly process but they have generational challenges inside of that family. they -- >> i wanted to point out what robert jordan said, we want to bring it back to what the president should do at this plate will make a point. >> i think it's a deeply troubled relationship right now. this is the worst it's been since 9/11. i called it before a category four or five storm. >> we need saudi arabia right now encountering iran, especially pulling out of the iran deal. are you at the point where lindsey graham is to definitively point the trigger at the crown prince?

because most of the sources are turkish, and we know they are have a strained relationship right now. >> lindsey set a bunch of really aggressive stuff there and i think i'm mostly aligned with it but i want to get back into the skiff, back into the classifieds environment where we read our intelligence and i want to talk to investor bolton at the white house as well. i think everything needs to be on the table from arms sales to everything else, to where we go with the saudis from here. the policy answer has to flow. and what do we believe about the dignity of their own people and people who might descent. >> we already knew that, and we don't like the answer to that question. >> we need to be able to give an answer, here's where we are headed. >> to lisa's point dale, we have to be -- >> he's not a

trustworthy guy right now. >> we are dealing with two different countries who are not necessarily the most trustworthy, and a lot of the information may be from the turkish government. >> and another huge thing we have is it's literally a cutthroat regime that we have. as much as -- obviously we have seen the evidence but mbs is holding power himself. if all fingers pointed at him, it is how would we ever know? >> i'm not sure we will ever 100% know anything. we make the best conclusion that we have, and you have to make an estimation that you trust turkey an ounce more. this is what happens when you have to work with people who don't share your values.

marco rubio was talking about this this morning, saying nothing is worth signing away your character. and, we think lindsey graham is getting perhaps at it more aggressively, we got fooled by this young hotshot millennial. he came out here. and we understood that back home, he still not letting women drive. i know we are advancing in that arena. and i do love going to the movies. if they want to play with us, and they want to treat us with, as equals and partners, that's certainly not enough. there are different religions that require certain things based on books written a long, long time ago. you have to advance and you have to modernize, and if you want a

$120 million arms deal with that, you have to do certain things to make sure that we can trust you and you are not going to be killing one of our own and lying about it for two weeks. >> at the conference is also taking a different approach with israel saying, israel has the right to exist which is something not in the norm of saudi arabia and its leaders. the only point is, there seems to be a lot of questions here. so perhaps we should wait for all the intel before performing policy decisions. >> harris: another big comment that he made was, there was a turning point when we moved the embassy to jerusalem. and he thought that maybe this type of aggressiveness and brazen action where you killed someone so obviously could be born of resentment from that act. do you buy that argument, does that make sense? >> i don't know how much weight to put in that but if the saudis

have any particular worries about that, they need to get over it. and it's really not the saudis business. >> harris: all right, what senator elizabeth warren's dna results reveal, a big bust. plus, under oath but not talking, one of the key figures behind the unverified prompt dossier on the hot seat before lawmakers. now, what is the next step for investigators? >> i'm not surprised that he is taking a fifth, he probably should. he's in clear legal jeopardy, and someone is not telling the truth.

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fusion gps, the firm that worked with the clinton campaign to file unverified trump dossier information. simpson was subpoenaed to answer questions about how the dossier was used two surveilled or, obtain a warrant to surveilled a former truck campaign aide. republicans say that applies to bruce ohr. today, simpson took the fifth. and, why is there is a discrepancy between your earlier testimony and that of justice official bruce ohr? what was on the memories deck. mr. simpson, will you take our questions? was any part of the dossier ever verified? >> house republicans also have

called for nellie ohr, that's bruce ohr's wife, to testify on friday. and she worked for fusion gps but now, she could be a no-show. so why don't you show up to something like this? is there an inherent idea that you don't have to answer questions but the american public has the right to know? >> i don't know what's going on in that story. in the 2016 election ever die? >> not if you lost. >> they are not stumped stopping and, that's what glenn simpson has said. devon nunez did the same thing where he threatened to hold him in there and he came voluntarily. and glenn simpson's lawyer said he had been nakedly partisan and was all over tv. >> a lot of people ignore people and hallways. >> answer them in front of anyone. >> i've been known to share too

much. i certainly don't want to answer those questions in the hallway but i think if you get what simpson's wally mike lawyer has said, he is as forthcoming as he can be at this point and i would love to know why there is a discrepancy between what just or says. >> why is glenn simpson giving conflicting information to investigators? he said he lied about the timeline on working on the dossier. >> he's in conflict with bruce ohr's emails, so it's more than just -- there is evidence that is untrue. we do want to know what's on the flash drive and we do want to know if the fbi was weaponized, someone it is espoused and then you create a report and funnel it back to the fbi. to me, there is money changing hands and all kinds of things going on that make me uncomfortable. you don't want to get to the

bottom of that? >> there are people at the doj's that need to answer a bunch of questions and hopefully this will lead to, if someone can step up one level, the most exciting thing about relitigating the 2015 election is vladimir putin. what prudent actually wants is american discord to go forward forever more. what i want to know, what the molar investigation mueller investigation should be about, what did russia attempt to do? if it involves the trump campaign and the trump organization, it needs to leave to those places. but what were they trying to do for the playbook that they were doing in 2018 and 2020. as we >> harris: in addition to that you know how much they are coming back or how much of a bite of the apple they are willing to take at this point. >> it's always going to involve

cyber. and information operations are going to be a core part of all future wars. vladimir putin has a collapsing economy at home and he needs to come up with the foreign bad guy to try to unify his public. so he wants to pick scabs in the u.s. and everything that we are divided on, guns -- and i'm awake when you're on guns. but geography, race, gender fights. every single thing that americans are fighting about internally, vladimir putin wants to find a way to pick at those scabs and that's what the russian investigation should really be about. and, the former truck campaign, they could take a look at him on the campaign. he now sees suing the dnc. >> there are so many lives that

you are alluding to, and you look at the damage that we did to our democratic systems and institutions of government back in 2016 and i'm just trying to get some justice in terms of getting some disclosure. >> harris: so this is when it breaks back down politically. jessica, you were right. this is a big push by mainly republicans but it does have a senate core with democrats. and now carter page is wanting to sue the democratic national committee. >> so we knew fusion gps was part of that and we knew that cleansing can campaign play part in that and carter page has been boasting for years that he is an official kremlin in the mike advisor and that's a reopening of the surveillance warning against him that the government thought we had a good reason to be surveilling him in the workplace. the issue is -- and this is not about getting to the bottom of it. when you have characters like carter page as a poster child,

it doesn't lead to important conversations that if kennedy were here, we would be having. it would be about surveilling americans and overstepping civil liberties. >> it's also important to point out that carter page is still not charged with anything or any sort of wrongdoing. yet we have the fbi under the obama administration open up. >> and that was off of carter page's -- >> they are going to look at you. >> people that were involved with the dossier, like nelly paige or nellie ohr looking into glenn simpson. >> he has made it clear for many years -- >> i want to give senator ben sasse the last word

on all this. >> sen. sasse: we will have cyber challenges with china for decades and decades. decades matter because china is running's scout team defense on all that russia is doing against us right now and we need to modernize our national security apparatus. a lot of these important debates will cause for decades into the future and we are behind the eight ball. >> president trump and senator elizabeth warren. and war of words, after warren released she threw a dva trust a test. plus democrats reportedly have a big advantage when it comes to fund-raising in some key house races. but will it be enough to help them take control of the house? stay close.

>> harris: at democratic candidates reportedly holding a major advantage over republicans when it comes to fund-raising in key house races and that is according to "the new york times." the democratic party needs to gain 23 seats to take control of the house. here are the fund-raising totals for the 32 most closely contested house races. democratic candidates raised $154 million from november 2016, until now. republican candidates raised 108 million. but i would find these things misleading because they are talking about individual candidates as opposed to the parties. president trump is out there raising money and stomping on a national level for republicans. how do you see things shaking out right now in terms of who has the money and who has the edge? >> i am one of me being 100 in the senate that has actually given a polyp so my apologies. it just looks like the house has

a print democrat incentive. so it's strange that you have -- the geography is cutting in different directions. a lot of senate map works well for republicans and a lot of suburban districts. >> so what does that mean for the policy and what's going on, and the agenda we see? >> i think it will be a lot more washington how you can't be against stuff when the house dislike which is one of his strength, he is a disrupter. he comes in and throws a wrecking ball around and who knows what happens from there. so you can see the president expanding the range of possible outcomes in the world of where there is a democratic house and republican senate. some of those could be much worse so i don't want solutions that are moving to the left. but the range of possible options with this president, and a chaotic environment in d.c., who knows what he has delivered.

the copywriting the copywriting act that he signed last week, it's not just trying to find the areas where you can deal, but find the areas where you naturally agree among the parties. >> years. our lots of -- there are crisp and it's not to bankrupt them by overpromising, and that's obviously never been a central piece of the presidents platform. but there are things that we should be doing in common that are not chiefly right versus left by past versus future. who knows what he might embrace. >> jessica, >> and do you think that would be a better way to start, or do you think that's unrealistic? >> i think that criminal justice

reform is ground zero for the bipartisan process. i think we have seen that for a number of years now with leading figures on both sides like newt gingrich and senator scott and cory booker. and, i think you start there. he heard the president out on the trail this week talking about infrastructure which is something i know for people that actually care about eight. >> i just got the side i. >> president trump became very clear about that, i am a building guy and that's what i do for a living. i can work with democrats on that. so you could field i give on republicans like that and, in arizona races, democrats can be more amenable to a wall or conversation about a wall if that means there are

shovel-ready jobs or anything like that. >> harris: having done a town hall and immigration form recently there, if they don't, they could be out completely. senator elizabeth warren's release of a dna test has sparked a new war of worlds between the senators and president trump. the president who has long ridiculed the claim says she owes the nation and an apology after the test shows a slight trace of heritage. >> senator warren released some evidence that shows she does have -- >> she owes the country an apology. what is her percentage? 11,000th? >> no doubt, senator warren didn't see this coming. but ahead of the cherokee nation has slabs that test which is essentially meaningless. >> the problem with the dna test

is that it proves nothing of relevance to whether a person is a citizen of an indian nation or member of an indian nation. dna at best can give you some indicators of some markers that indicate that you are related to somebody who lived long ago who may have lived in north and south america. just wholly unhelpful for any national leader to cling to dna to determine or establish that they are native american in this country. >> harris: senator warren is also taking fire from fellow democrats, former obama campaign manager jim messing up and frustration on twitter by sayin saying, argued the substance all you want but, why 22 days before a crucial election where we must win house and senate to save america? why did senator warren have to o do her announcement now? why can't dems ever stay focused? you know, drop of blood to politics as a person of brown

skin is really uncomfortable to watch. to see someone go back and forth with this, where do you put this in politics? >> what are we doing, america? of the 30 big things we should be focused on, senator warren wants to bring us back to this. in this election, they will save america. while washington isn't going to save america by any legislation so let's start by talking about what really matters in life. you may have to go back so many generations actually related to pocahontas. >> the president is really good at getting the people to do dumb stuff. that's what we kind of see from this, he trolls and debates people into doing really dumb things that backfire like crazy. he backed pyles with a tweet that makes it even worse and it's all inappropriate, but he ends up making her look ridiculous. >> the problem is, she is the one that made this a big deal. she's the one that touted her

cherokee roots. >> he got her to go take the test though. >> if there was a huge roll out and she was tweeting it out because she was trying to get out in front of it. instead, she hurt herself. now we have cherokee nation slamming exactly what they did and that the average white person had more native american dna than a little, elizabeth warren does. there was a study that "new york times" released that showed the average american has likely more dna -- >> i followed the loop on that, and now it's on twitter. >> democrats taking by the house are still uncertain. so, jim messina is right, it's a dumb time to be doing this and instead, she shot herself in the foot. >> i do not agree with the timing and the substance of the argument and i'm also uncomfortable with the politics either way.

i don't want the president of the united states of america using derogatory terms to describe it as a senator and i don't like people in the office generally bullying and pushing. we are 21 days out from an election and right now we have 85% odds of taking the house. i'm not counting my chickens. that ad if you watched it, it's over 5 minutes long and it's extremely powerful. >> is it truthful? >> it's absolutely truthful. >> november 7th, that would have been a great time to release that addict. and if to say what that ad does to the nation, our president has made racist remarks about me. you don't talk about people like this. here are mike credentials, i will tell you unequivocally that i was not hired, or that i registered as as a at native american. >> again, when i say drop of

blood politics, and it literally pans out to be according to what she calls definitive dna tests? how is the ascendant of politics in it and where are we? >> if -- this is what is happening. political traveling is ramping up in america not because politics is really that important but politics is filling a void of the decline of natural tribes. the things that make people happy, we know what they are. do you have a tight family, do you have a few deep friendships, do you have meaningful work and vocation. all those things are actually statistical collapse right now, so people are running into politics saying, let's find good versus evil here. now, let's find a cost-effective infrastructure bill. >> also what i'm asking, why do you have to -- why do you have to be -- why do you have to be a

drop of anything to reach certain people? why can't we have great infrastructure ideas? why can't we just have great ideas that are not based on what we might have just to get people to respond? >> senator warren and president trump both really like this kind of fight. they want to have a fight. and he is a great marketer but, he will pay it out over 1,024 days and parts. that isn't actually effective for our kids. we should be doing real stuff, and this isn't real. >> responding to what you said, and when we leave the couch we are actually friends. >> they also don't like fraud

and that's frustration with the elizabeth warren, or touting of being with cherokee. >> harris: we are being told to wrap it, and i do think it's important because ideas matter, but people do want to look into positions of leadership and find someone who looks like them. or share their experience. that's it doesn't always care for someone about elizabeth warren and you can hear him on a number of other talk topics. watch him interview with president trump on trish regan prime time on the fox business network. hillary clinton is facing some big backlash after saying her husband, former president bill clinton did not abuse his power. because then intern monica lewinsky was an adult during the assault. why this could be a problem for democrats in november and

beyond. >> call it out for what it is, call it out for being wrong well those years. i just don't think she has it in her to continue trying. and if a flying object damages your car, you can snap a photo and get your claim processed in hours, not days. plus, allstate can pay your claim in minutes. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

>> in retrospect, do you think that bill should have resigned in the wake of the monica lewinsky scandal? >> absolutely not. >> it wasn't an abuse of power? >> no. >> there are people that look at the incident and say the president of the united states can have a consensual relationship with an intern. >> who was an adult. but let me ask you this, where's the investigation of the current incumbent against him numerous allegations have been made? >> new fallout over hillary clinton's latest defense of her husband's affair with intern one oh mike galinsky. here's how of the media are reacting. >> you know you have a bad

argument when your immediate response was, they were worse. >> it's called what about-ism. >> no hillary. maybe it was different in the 90s but, i think we are understanding there is a massive power imbalance between the intern and the president of the united states. >> everything is better with an accent. she seems unlikely to have any further political ambition but she did hand opponents and democrats who want to portray themselves as on the right side of this issue, a weapon to charge them with hypocrisy. i will go first. >> soul, there are two issues there and they should have been separated, about whether he should have resigned or whether this was going to be an abuse of power. you can debate the resignation but it was obviously an abuse of power. what do you make of this, do you

think it matters or is it just another in the clinton real quest to mark >> i don't think it matters. i think that what the clintons have to say no is, it's fun fodder at times but isn't relevant to the investigation. >> senator, do you want to take it away on this one? >> it's a president of the united states and in intern, that's not an abuse of power? what is she talking about? and the next pivot to, what about somebody else? this is why them happens. people who are politically addicted, the only thing they can talk about is being anti-something else in politics. this was an abuse of power. >> so what you think of this, things become exponentially more difficult when you are talking about your significant other.

so i think hillary clinton -- >> she's had a lot of practice. >> milani i really struggled those questions and in her abc interview friday night, how do you think that changes the calculus? do we have further sympathy for her? >> let's go back to your husband question. i think that within your party they are probably looking at the importance of this question and trying to answer it. and here's why. there are women on the trail who might want hillary clinton's gravitas and certainly her fund-raising ability to come out and win, in years to come and even the current one. while you try to qualify as a politician >> and, is it a money question?

but do one of jessica's points, you mention the fact of the change of dynamics because this is personal for her but what about her burns strider and her 2008 campaign where she had a 30-year-old staffer who came to her and accused of sexual harassment. and, that's a bigger problem with hillary clinton, and i think the reason why she didn't appeal to so many women, and she's saying every woman deserves to heard and believed. and, she doesn't practice who she preaches. that was the biggest problem with holy clinton in the 2016 election. >> okay, so they've come out and spoken about the burns strider issue. looking at the elections right

now, the democrats have a tremendous lead with women, the gap is the largest market that it's been. but the majority can do to win back some female voters. >> so we are saying two more segments over the topic? >> i will stay all day. >> obviously the gender gap is gigantic, the president plus eight with mama women and 24? >> while i earmarked a session. >> in terms of being able to name those things that you are oppositional too, and how unimportant that is. hillary clinton has thrown it out there, her views on women in the democratic party. after they share those views? will they use her to fund raise? >> we will find out, and we have senator ben sasse's book, how to heal the anger and divisiveness that is working the country

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coming up in "outnumbered over time" in a few minutes. >> harris: stephen secretary ofe pompeo meeting with saudi arabia arabia's leadership today. we will speak with the former u.s. ambassador to saudi arabia and, democrats say they are frustrated that senator elizabeth warren chose to release her dna results just three weeks before the critical midterm elections. she knocking her party off message? and all that and more at the top of the hour. back to you. >> look forward to it. senator ben sasse has a brand-new book out today entitled them, we heal. i love your concept because i'm sick of people using the phrase

try travel. your missing what was your tribe in your personal life. >> today get that right? >> absolutely. we are meant to do something tribal, and right now all those tribes are being undermined by the digital revolution. and i wrote then because, i'm assuming if you run to political tribes that will fill that vacuum in your heart, but it won't. there's a whole bunch more that we need to rebuild at home. >> it's undermined by the digital revolution, the candidate or this thing, and, the president didn't cause this problem and politics will fix this problem. you want to invite your neighbors over to dinner, you want someone to hug you and your old age, you want your kids to know that they are really loved and one of the tricks to that is don't have the smartphone at the

dinner table. >> how can you win as a politician though if you don't appeal to what's working? because that's a flip side. and, >> this isn't working for our kids and grandkids, we need to do much better than this. politics matters but it matters in a certain frame, it has to be framed and limited. >> you say it isn't working in the best political ads of every election cycle, because they always have more heart than what you hear on the campaign trail. you see the ones like, and hillary clinton's role model, political addict, the one with the kids sitting at home watching president trump. like our dig is who you want your kids looking up to? when you see all the veterans, the ones talking about health care, and, we do see it in practice. >> i think the civics that unite us need to be bigger than the

politics that divide us. their policy matters in fights that matter but what matters a lot more is celebrating the troops who fought for our freedom, and that's an american thing that is bigger than republicans. >> okay. i'm taking this with me, i think it was harris' but it's mine now. >> we will get you another one. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.

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that's a lofty. we would love to heal at this point i think. there you go, thank you so much, we are back here at noon eastern tomorrow and for now, here is harris. when we begin with a fox news alert, america's top diplomat is meeting with saudi leaders on a u.s.-based. secretary of state mike pompeo has now met with saudi arabia's king and crown princess morning over missing "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi. the meeting just hours after turkish forensics team finished the search inside the consulate. one report says they found evidence that he was killed there inside the consulate. all this is president trump has been informed of reports that they plan to admit that the saudi citizen with accidentally killed during a botched interrogation and