tucker carlson us up next. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." political campaigns are all about how you finish. you can be moree popular than your opponent is for months, even for years, forever. but if you're less popular on election day, you lose. it's all that matters. it's a simple truth, but it's easy to forget. democrats may relearn that the hard way very soon.rs up until a few weeks ago, virtually every democrat in america considered the upcoming midterm elections a certain win. why? well, they looked at the numbers. the majority of voters remained unsettled about donald trump and if an election as a pure referendum on him, they believed the republicans would lose

and lose big. what if it's not all about trump? what if there's another side to the equation? well, there is, and democrats have just reminded the countryry of that. it all began with brettt kavanaugh. democrats had plenty of ideological reasons to oppose his nomination to the supreme court. he'd written hundreds and hundreds of decisions, but they barely mentioned any of that. instead, in their frenzy to oppose all that trump endorses, they tarred kavanaugh as a rapist. they tried to destroy his family and his life. evidence of due process were irrelevant they told us again and again. if you didn't agree with that, they would scream at you. >> we believe survivors! we believe survivors! >> i believe her. i believe what she said. it rings true to me. >> i believe her. a large number of americans believe her. >> tucker: so those are not ideological attacks. those are stalinist attacks.

and they horrified normal people across the country. not just right-wingers, but people right in the middle. ever since republicans have been rising in the polls. for democrats, the lesson should have been clear. keep your crazies under control at least until election day. but they wouldn't do that or maybe they couldn't do that or maybe they no longer recognized what crazyay is. in many case, they refused to make a rational case for their own program and therefore accelerated their own collapse. elizabeth warren led the way in this in a bizarre self-inflicted injury that she committed on national television yesterday, much to the confusion of everyone else, elizabeth warren released a video trying to show that she really is an american indian. watch as the senator anoints herself the head of the #mesioux movement. >> now, the president likes to call my mom a liar. what do the facts say? >> the facts suggest that you absolutely have a native american ancestor in your pedigree. >> i'm not enrolled in a tribe,

and only tribes determine a citizenship. i understand and respect that distinction. but my family history is myy. family history. >> tucker: i am not enrolled in a tribe, says a lady who is way whiter than you are. who thought that would work? what consultant came up with that?y even the cherokee nationld denounced elizabeth warren, and the media weren't that impressed either. >> it's not one-tenth,ke not 1/100. 1/1024 does not allow you say you're a cherokee. >> seems to be this was a way to get the pocahontas thing out of the way. put the test out there. now she can move forward. i don't think it does that for her. i don't think the standard of what was found in there is going to be satisfying to people. >> the best i can gather, according to your paper's reporting, she is 1/1000, something like that. i mean, i think i might be just as native american as she is. >> tucker: some in the press did defend warren. they couldn't help themselves. but their case hardly

helped the democratic party because it was just too crazy. "the new york times" informed us that anyone who questioned warren's story, her ethnic appropriation of indian culture, is, you guessed it, of course, a racist. >> in terms of the attack on warren, i believe that was about white anxiety among donald trump's base about who is white in america. a >> tucker: yeah, keep attacking people for their skin color. maybe that will work, just like it did in 2016. to democrats, that still seems like a good idea along with a lot of other notions that ordinary voters find scary and repugnant. self-described socialists advocating for abolishing i.c.e., border controls effectively eliminating the barrier between us and other countries and therefore eliminating our country. maxine waters cheering on the mob or as don lemon called them, people who are angry. in arizona where democrats assumed they had an easy pickup of a senate seat, their nominee,

kyrsten sinema, has been exposed as a kind of lunatic who opposes all immigration laws and apparently she says finds the taliban more bearable than her fellow citizens in arizona. watch. >> states are the laboratories of democracy and my state, arizona, is clearly the meth lab of democracy. the past several years, people would watch what was happening in arizona and be like, damn, those people are crazy. is it something about the water? no, the water's fine. >> tucker: the meth lab of democracy. there's a way to get votes. democrats can get away with all of this and more if they at least had an agenda that worked, if they could demonstrate our ideas bear fruit that you might want to eat. they can't do that, not even close. california is failing sadly, while drugs and human waste fill the streets, middle-class people leave because they can't afford homes there. portland, oregon, one of the prettiest cities in the country,

suddenly looks like downtown managua with bandanna-clad thugs ruling the streets. meanwhile the city's impotent mayor, a wet liberal, of course, orders police to stand down. >> [bleep] >> [bleep] >> [shouting] >> [bleep] >> [shouting] >> tucker: it wasn't supposed to end this way, as you may know. loathing of trump was supposed to be the glue that held all the constituent parts of the democratic party together. instead, it's destroying the party. in their efforts to fight trump, they have become what they said they hated. for example, you've heard over and over again that trump hates women. he's a misogynist. and yet whatever trump has said, he never never created anything as repugnant as the rapper ti's new video, that shows a melania lookalike stripping in the oval office. watch this.

♪ >> tucker: yep, that's the party cares about women. still three weeks to go until election day, and republicans in congress remain vulnerable. in some cases, very vulnerable. at this pace, democrats may fall far short of what they expectede what was their mistake? as usual, it was revealing who they really are. joining us tonight is the former chief counsel to the democrats and the house judiciary committee. do you think, as you consider the political landscape

that elizabeth warren, one off the leading presidential candidates for your party in 2020, that her racial makeup, her dna results is a question for most voters? >> no, i think it's irrelevant to most voters. the point that you're making is one that i agree with. the lament about how trivial and hateful and irrelevant our politics is to most people's lives, i completely agree with that. where i differ with you is there are sins that have occurred with democrats and democrats are guilty of it and i also think republicans are guilty of it. both sides are guilty of it. i think it's a product of an increasingly tribal country that is not good for us. it's a product of cable news and social media, it's a product of many media forces that are going on right now.ci both parties are at each other's throats, they are increasingly ugly, and it seems to be increasingly irrelevant. democrats lost the election in my opinion in 2016 in large part

because they didn't have a really good compelling answer for the middle class. they didn't have a compelling answer or policy for the middle class. the middle class has basically been in a recession since the 1970s. there hasn't been a wage increase for most middle-classce workers since the 1970s. since the oil embargo. that's a democratic and republican problem. >> tucker: i couldn't agreeld with you more, that's why think trump got elected because both parties were ignoring those voters. and they are americans. they are actual people. their wages have gone down by 11% in the past 30 years. the question is why wouldn't the democratic party picked up the cause of middle-class economics and why are they still attacking those people as white men or bigots, this constant refrain that those people are immoral and bad.

what do they think they're getting out of that? >> i think both parties are being pulled by their bases. i know you don't want me to plug eric holder, but one of the important things he's doing is trying to do districting reform so you don't have completely red and completely blew -- blue congressional districts and people are forced to talk to each other. i think what happens is when you tribalize this country and you put somebody into a blue camp or a red camp, they tend to talk to each other and the extremist voices are the ones that drive -- rise above. it's the same thing and republicans, you have a senate candidate in minnesota and it was revealed today, in 2009, she made a very unflattering to reference to michelle obama comparing her to a primate. there are plenty of examples we can point to. >> tucker: what you don't have is any republican leaders standing up and saying that a certain race of americans is defective or wrong.

racializing everything and attacking people on the basis of their skin color -- we can debate the issues, and i think we ought to and we try to, but doing that, that's the most divisive possible thing you can do. but it's universal on the left. i'm actually bothered by it. >> i think the left plays identity politics but i think the right place identity politics. i think both are unhelpful. >> tucker: i don't even like a lot of republicans, but i've never heard a single one stand up and say the problem is black men. if somebody did that, i swear as god watches i would attack them. i hate that. you hear it every day on the left, and it's normal, why? >> we can debate this all you want, but i think there are dog whistle politics that occur on o the right, when you refer to mexicans as rapists and drug lords and you use that to justify the wall, i think that's dog whistle politics.

>> tucker: but their foreigners, it's not about the race it's about their citizenship. this is not a dog whistle, this is an explicit attack on people based on their race. when did we allow that? why is that okay? >> it is polarized. both parties pour fuel on this fire. there's a reason that republicans get less than 5%, 7% of the african-american vote. it's because it's not speaking to them. at some point -- >> tucker: [laughs] got to wrap it up i'm being told were out of time. >> we have bigger problems out there, we have 25% of the global economy, china has 15%. in a matter of a decade, they will be our size or bigger than us, and india is right behind them. we have very big issues to deal with and this trivialization of american politics it's occurring on both sides is horrible for this country.wi >> tucker: thank you for joining us tonight, i appreciate that. another migrant caravan from people from another country who

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♪ >> tucker: another migrant caravan from central america making its way to our southern border, it's a mass of about a thousand people. they crossed from honduras into guatemala. the president responded on twitter to all of this. he said "the united states has strongly informed the president of honduras that if the large caravan of people headed to the u.s. is not stopped and brought back,

no more money or aid will be given to honduras effective immediately." that threat may have worked in the short term, guatemala authorities say they have arrested the leader and have deported him back to honduras. david tafuri is former foreign policy expert for the obama campaign, well versed in international law and the t politics of central america. we should also mention he is a registered foreign agent for the government of el salvador. david, why is that not exactly the response every president ought to give one a foreign country attempts a kind of invasion. >> we have every right to protect our border and we don't have to let any of these migrants in. if the goal is for them not to come here, we should not be cutting off foreign aid tomi honduras.or honduras is getting that aid and we can help improve the economy. the reason these people are leaving honduras is because the economy is terrible in there aro no jobs. these are economic refugees and

the reason they are trying to come to the u.s. is they are looking for a better life. in the long term, if we don't want them to come, we have to try to work with honduras and the other countries in central america to improve their economies so people stay. >> tucker: okay, how is that working for us? we've given a lot of aid to el salvador, one-third of all el salvadorans on the planet live in the united states. one-third of all existing salvadorans. clearly everything we've done for salvador hasn't stopped the flow of one-third of the entire population into our country. so like, it doesn't work. why don't say look, we're going to punish you personally if you let this continue, why is that a bad idea? >> we haven't given very much money to central america. keep in mind, we give about 1% of our budget overall in foreign aid around the world. a very small amount of that goes to central america. >> tucker: hold on.

hold on. why do we give any? one-third of all salvadorans live in our country, a lot of them illegally, and i'm sure they're all great people. i'm not attacking them. i'm saying this arrangement isn't working. they are off-loading their poor into our country at a time when' working-class jobs are going away due to automation, their benefit and, we are losing and we are paying them. >> i just explained that to you. the reason we are giving aid is to help improve those countries so that people stay -- that's the long term goal. i think you and i both agree it as do many policymakers in washington. we haven't done a good enough job.ma neither democrats norng republicans have done a good enough job of helping theseon countries improve their economies, helping these countries improve the rule of law so people don't leave. >> tucker: that's not true. hold on. look at mexico. mexico has jumped more than ten spots on the economic development list internationally. i think it's now number 11. we've made mexico rich with

trade. billions and billions of dollars, millions of jobs. and yet we still have 22 million people in this country illegally, the majority of the mexican. i'm not attacking mexico or mexican people, i'm saying we've made mexico richer than it was and we still have an inflow from mexico. so like, we're not getting anything out of this. >> that's a great example. yes, we are, because far less immigrants are coming from mexico right now. you refer to immigrants that are already here from mexico many of whom came a long time ago. before the benefits of nafta went in place. if you look at the data we don't get many immigrants from mexico. even your example were talking about today is migrants from honduras, not from mexico. mexicans are enjoying the benefits of nafta in candidly supporting their families. it's a great example. e >> tucker: since you

use the term data, let me refer you to the essential datum in this conversation. we have more than 10 million mexican citizens living in our borders illegally, once again i'm not attacking them, but if the model you're proposing works and we both know that it doesn't it's all a joke, it's a huge lie the whole point is to make the democratic party more powerful, let's play along -- if your model works, then why are they still hear? why haven't they gone back topl the newly enriched mexico which we enriched with our money and our jobs.he >> many came from a long time ago. the data i'm referring to is a illegal immigration from mexico has gone down, you agree with me on that right? >> tucker: i'm missing it. you will concede -- the data shows r mexico is a way richer than it was 20 years ago. we did that, we suffered as a result of that, but we also got all of their poor people who they didn't feel likeut supportg with their nonexistent social safety net so they can make more billionaires which they have assiduously done.ke we get shafted.

we are paying we are paying for the health care of their poorest people you don't see what i'm talking about at all? >> your point doesn't make sense. we're talking about illegal immigration and it has gone down for mexico. it could go down for honduras and guatemala and other countries in central america if we helped improve those economies. >> tucker: we need to pay more. >> i'm not saying it's our fault, i never said it's our fault i said we can help. >> tucker: thank you so much. we haven't heard a lot about the russia investigation. what does that mean, anything? we will get an update from the one man who might know who happens to chair the house intelligence k committee, devin nunes joins us after the break. the russia investigation is a distraction and has been from the very beginning, it's a distraction from the failures of the ruling class as explained in the book "ship of fools," number one on the new york times

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the fbi, for example, started spying on carter page, a u.s. citizen who went to the naval academy and served as a naval officer, based on a political motivated, still uncorroborated series of allegations from fusion gps,s, which was in effect an arm of the hillary campaign. now fusion gps founder glenn simpson is pleading the fifth amendment to avoid testifying before congress. congressman devin nunes represents california, and he is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. he joins us tonight. mr. chairman, thank you very much for coming on. before i ask about glenn simpson and why you think he might not be testifying to your committee, i want to get an update on the documents that the rest of us were supposed to see, most specifically the fisa warrant that allowed the spying that the obama administration did on carter page. are we ever going to find out the justification for that? >> years of your life not getting back, many americans including myself, i think that's a great opening. we are very frustrated that we haven't been able to get these

documents out. the president ordered them and then you had rod rosenstein who got in the middle of it. i would be fine if rosenstein got in the middle of it, if he had a real reason but every time he said he had a reason to block this information, it ends up being false. now you have rod rosenstein who won't even testify before congress. so are we going to see this information? i guess we are waiting, the president put the ig in charge of it, horowitz. i don't think that was a good idea. at the end of the day, that's what we're counting on. >> tucker: wait.t. at some point you ask what's the point of voting? you elect a new guy but the same people are in charge, still thwarting what you want. it does call into question democracy itself. do you think any member of congress would be willing to take the risk and say as an american, i think you have a right to see this. >> the challenge with that is we can talk about -- we can hypothetically go the floor of the house. we talked about this on your show.

we don't have the actual documents in our possession. we can't march the documents down to the house floor and slap them down. those documents are in possession of the department of justice and the fbi. there should be no reason, we've been narrowly focused on 20 pages of the last fisa that rod rosenstein signed, and i don't think he should be in the decision-making process of whether or not the american people should see these or not. >> tucker: i agree with that completely. so let me ask you to sum it up, since you are privy to much more information than the average person. have you seen, andso answer this knowing in the end we're going to know all the facts. have you seen any evidence there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russian government? honestly.ha >> no, i have not, and in fact i have seen the opposite that we know for sure. you're going to ask me about glenn simpson in a second and i hate to jump ahead. glenn simpson was working for the democrats. the clinton campaign.

he got information from russians. that information was fed into the fbi, okay? glenn simpson was spreading that information out to the press and now we know glenn simpson was meeting with the fbi long before he testified to congress that he was meeting with the fbi. this is somebody who likely lied to congress, should probably be prosecuted, which is most likely why today he pled the fifth and refused to testify before congress. w >> tucker: it is so frustrating to watch as a voter, i have to say i think i speak for many other voters. thank you very much for i everything you're doing.a up next, a facebook employeeee just quit the company and denounced it as a left-wing monoculture. that opposes free speech. it's nothing you didn't know, next. what would it look like...

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>> tucker: an engineer at facebook has left that company, he says he's fed up with the company's culture. brian amerige left facebook october 12. he sent a memo explaining why he did to his fellow employees. he called facebook a "political monoculture" and says it follows a p.r. strategy of appeasement. brian amerige joins us a tonigh, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: it was brave and nice of you i thought to explain why you were leaving. and you say a lot of nice things about facebook. you call it a monoculture. that's not a surprise to our viewers. what i was struck by, you've said "we've taken a stance on how to balance offensive andou hateful speech with free expression." when facebook launched, my impression as a user and someone watching, that free expression was the goal. but that has changed. >> absolutely, it has been pretty dramatic to watch the shift over the years. that's essentially why i am leaving. i'm leaving because of this content policy direction.

trying to draw lines about what is acceptable and what is offensive or too offensive, i think it's dangerous and it's impractical. it's impossible to define what something like hate speech is, and it's even harder to implement and enforce it at facebook scale. to your point, this is core to what the mission of the company is. i think it's a huge strategic misstep for a company whose product's primary value is to promote free expression is trying to draw these lines. >> tucker: it also changes what facebook is fundamentally. my understanding that even as a legal matter, facebook is aa platform and a conduit through or over which information flows. once you start deciding what is acceptable, you're a media company, aren't you? >> i think it's an interesting question. people come to facebook for all sorts of reasons, speaking as an employee on the inside. i've always thought about it as a tool for free expression.

i supported the mission as a tool for free expression. from that point of view, us trying to draw those impossible to draw lines around what's acceptable is a losing strategy. >> tucker: why are they doing that? it's fraught with peril. it's obvious and you just said it. i actually think congress could fight back but they are doing it anyway, so why? >> it's hard to imbue intent to anybody on these things. i wouldn't pretend to be able to put myself in their shoes. what i can say though is that executives at the company do actually take the sort of assertions and claims that i i have made very seriously. and they didn't fire me. they engaged me. i actually spent the better part of the last month working with them to try to figure out how to improve this stuff. there's a really big distinction between how those executives are handling this and what a vocal

minority inside the company is doing. there is a vocal minority inside facebook that is belligerentnt beyond belief in a quest, i think, to implement social justice policies across our mission, basically. >> tucker: give me one example of that, if you would. >> yeah, i think looking at the way the hate speech policy is implemented on the platform. you can't even have conversations about that policy inside the company without having your character attacked. i've experienced this personally without being called a sexist or a racist or a transphobe, an islamophobe -- you can't have conversations about anything that's a tenet of the social justice ideology without being attacked personally. the real concerning thing that's happening is that even though this is a minority of employees in thet' company, unfortunately i'm not sure facebook leadership knows how to

push back against them. like i said, they are unbelievably belligerent and demanding and hostile not just to other employees but toward facebook leadership directly. my real concern is whether theyr can push back. >> tucker: everyone is terrified in this country. that's the lesson of this. thank you very much for this and for your bravery, and i hope you go on to something much better and more lucrative. thanks so much for coming on. >> thank you. >> tucker: senator susan collins of maine. much out of nowhere stood up for brett kavanaugh two weeks ago. now the left, which loved heran until recently wants to revoke an honorary college degree she received. >> schools, the media, tech, finance, you name it, they control it.

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>> tucker: few public figures acquitted themselves more memorably during the brett kavanaugh nomination saga than senator susan collins of maine. she didn't stage a public therapy session like jeff flake did or embarrass herself. instead, at a critical moment, she delivered, not so much in defense of brett kavanaugh but a defense of the presumption of innocence and basic fairness,li bedrock american institutions. for doing that, the left, which long liked her, now despises her and wants to see her punished. close to 1500 alumni and faculty of st. lawrence university in upstate new york are demanding

their school rescind an honorary degree that she once got. they say that she lacks integrity for the crime of failing to automatically believe christine ford. monica klein is a founding partner at seneca strategies, thank you much for coming on.ic i'm confused by this. the idea is if you don't agree with me, this group is saying, on the christine ford-brett kavanaugh question, you lack integrity? i know a lot of decent people including a lot of women who found themselves agreeing with brett kavanaugh. do they lack integrity for that? >> there is a 30% gap in voters of women versus men who are now supporting democrats because of what the republicans did with kavanaugh. susan collins does lack integrity, she voted to support the nomination of a supreme court justice who is clearly a predator. she didn't believe christineit blasey ford and she didn't support a real fbi investigation

and it was one week and they refused to listen to half of the people who try to come forward. 1500 people came's forward and said they don't support her having an honorary degree. >> tucker: let me ask you. hold on. i'm trying to get to a core question then just an honorary degree from a school whose honorary degree you might not want to have anyway. is it a question of integrity to reach a different conclusion? you're saying that a decent person could not disagree withea you, that's what you appear to be saying. >> i'm saying a decent person would believe christine blasey ford because she's extremely credible and kavanaugh came across like an eighth grader. i don't think anyone truly believes that kavanaugh did nothing -- collins made a calculated decision to support the republican nominee.. >> tucker: you're offering a window into a worldview that a lot of people might find chilling, a worldview that doesn't allow for honest disagreement. a worldview ----

>> where we might take away an honorary degree? i'm not saying put her in jail. they can take away her honorary degree. what's the problem? >> tucker: i don't think you're following. i don't care about the degree or the school. who wants an honorary degree? what i care about is whether we allow for the possibility that people who disagree with us are good people who have integrity, but who are reaching different conclusions from ours. you, like a lot of the robots i deal with on the left, seem to have decided this is a theological debate where the other side is evil and you're virtuous. >> did i say that susan collins was evil? >> tucker: you said she lacked integrity. she was a bad person. >> i said she lacks integrity. i believe that. she voted for a supreme court nominee who is a clear predator without allowing for a full --

>> tucker: these are subjective. who taught you this? was there a time in your life that you believed decent people with integrity could disagree. when did you change? >> why can't you just disagree with me on this? i think she lacks integrity and you don't. >> tucker: you are missing it. i can disagree with you. i don't think you lack integrity for having a different view. >> maybe we disagree on the word integrity. i don't think she has it. >> tucker: it means honesty, decency -- >> i don't think she has honesty or decency. i don't think brett kavanaugh does either. i think it's ridiculous that -- that she confirmed him for the supreme court. i think she will be voted out because women t are extremely frustrated with susanat collins. >> tucker: you don't speak for all women. >> thank you for man-splaining that to me. >> tucker: i'm saying something that's obviously true. >> there's a 30% gap between democrats and republicans,uc women are supporting democrats 30% more because the republican party is offending women.

>> tucker: okay, thanks a lot. tammy bruce is a radio host and president of independent women's voice and she joins us tonight. i'm not going to man-splain any of this to you. whatever that means.s. i guess what bothers me is whatt i just said bothers me is thee idea you see all on the left, if you disagree you must be a bad person. that's a stalinist assumption, it's scary. i can't believe people who believe that live in this country. what is this? >> her explanation also changed during the interview. the fact is she was saying susan collins is evil, if you knowingly support a sexual predator, then you're evil.ou ironically, why can't we disagree? that's your point. that's your exactly your point in the segment. some of us will simply have a different point of view and what's going on. and yet what the left is doing whether they clothe themselvesff as feminists or not is pushing the argument.

if you disagree with them,lo something is inherently wrong with you. it's like kanye west being declared as mentally ill. if you disagree with her point of view, you're evil or you support things that are horrible for society. this is what they need to move because they can't have arguments with us based on the details of the issues. your exchange with her proves that. >> tucker: how did we get here? if you're dealing with people who honestly think that they are saved and you are fallen, they are virtuous, you are simple -- sinful, there is no possibility of agreement, is there? >> there isn't. you notice of course this is for modern religion, they've moved away from that. it was very middle age religion like for the left. it's a middle age framework where people were burned at the stake and heads were cut off. if you moved a little bit away from the orthodoxy, you are going to be declared a heathen

or something else. this is now turning into a religion. there is no room for any kind of movement in any kind ofg differences or differences of opinion or point of view. we live in a modern age whichce recognizes faith in the importance of that and the importance of us having our opinions, but in a free world and in a republic b and in a democracy, in the 21st century, especially in america, we pride ourselves in the fact that we can have disagreements, that we will not punish people for not conforming. that has been a hallmark of the american liberal sensibility of which all americans hold onto and this of course is a classic fascist framework and of course our universities speaking of universities, don't teach history anymore really and so these are people who are graduating inculcated in a dynamic that has almost destroyed humanity in the last century.

>> tucker: i don't know howoy we wound up here, it's very ominous. if we can't agree that decent people can reach differentwe conclusions we are already in a weird theocracy. thank you very much. up next, a direct descendant to pocahontas, the real one, joins us to discuss the results of elizabeth warren's dna test. stay tuned. ♪ the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining and 4% on entertainment. now when you go out, you cash in. what's in your wallet?

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elizabeth warren has taken a dna test, though not from a universally recognized lab and reveals that she may have had a native american ancestor although he might not be from north america and could be as many as ten generations back. that's so far back, it's not impossible the most recent ancestor is literally pocahontas -- that made us think it could be time to speak with debbie white dove again. she rejoins us tonight. great to see you tonight. you've watched elizabeth warren once again put herself at the head of the #mesioux movement and come out with this dna test we have called for. now that we have the result, what is your response? >> first of all, i'm so glad she ended up taking one. it did prove that she wasn't the cherokee indian that she's been claiming to be for so long. >> tucker: how did that make you feel as a descendant of pocahontas?

cultural appropriation is often in the news, do you think she is guilty of it? >> i think she's guilty of claiming she's american indian but has no proof and then using it to -- for applications for college, for medical reasons, and that was wrong but she did that this whole time. >> tucker: when you see that harvard law school listed her as their first faculty female member of color, how do you feel? >> i feel betrayed because she wasn't. she was using the name trying to be an american indian just to rise above, and it wasn't

meant to be and take the benefits away from american indians. that belong to them. >> tucker: do you think that other native americans feel as you do? >> i do, i think they feel betrayed and disappointed. at this point, she needs to come back and apologize to everybody for what she has done. >> tucker: i think that's right. last time, you said she should take a dna test, and she did, now you're calling on her to apologize to you and other native americans, and i hope she takes her advice once again. great to see you, thank you very much. >> nice to see you, too, talker. >> tucker: if you have feelings about this question, you can post on facebook. the hashtag is #mesioux. that's about it for us tonight you can tune in tomorrow to every weeknight to the show that is the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and

groupthink. sworn and cheerful enemy. if you haven't dvred it, good luck figure out how that works, would bewo grateful. sean hannity live from new york city is right now. >> sean: great interview, great show as always. welcome to "hannity," we are only three weeks away until one of the most important midterm elections you will ever see in your lifetime. democrats tonight areof reelin. three weeks from tonight, you tave the power to once again shock the world. you have it all. for months, they predicted the so-called blue wave. tonight, there is a full panic mode -- party leaders, 2020 hopeful elizabeth warren is making the whole party look absurd. her dna publicity stunt has backfired, or decades longng claims of native american heritage is nothing more than a fraud. many democratic senateat candidates are losing ground all over the country and